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5 minutes ago, DarianF said:

 

1. "I was a staunch atheist and now, yes I believe in God."

 

That's an unusual transition. I would like to know, if you don't mind, how did you go from atheism to god? What evidence were you presented with as an atheist that changed your mind? Was it sudden or gradual? I'm not taking the piss here, I'd really be interested. Because I have met heaps of religious people who have turned to secularism or atheism and the transition is pretty obvious and standard. But the other way around? That's more rare.

 

2. "Yet it is the people of religion who cause all the world's problems because of their fear of the "RULE book". Absolute nonsense and it is the perpetual yard stick that you constantly use to berate people of faith."

 

Not all things bad caused by religion, but many problems have been and are caused by people with conflicting holy books.

 

3. How about your faith? Scientism. Stick there bud, that's your thing. It has all the answers supposedly.

 

Science does not have all the answers, but that's the whole point of science. It is a way of understanding nature and reality. Without science, there would be many things we wouldn't know. It's a great tool for human advancement. And things we don't know, science is the best bet for finding out. For example, we don't know for sure there are other advanced civilizations out there in the universe, but science allows us to hypothesise, speculate, and formulate a plan for finding out. We understand now about radio waves and how we can build a radio telescope to listen for other civilisations. You're not going to discover another civilization in the universe by reading a religious text written before modern science existed. That's all it is. A way of increasing our knowledge of the universe. Of course we don't know everything, but at least we now have a way of finding out.

I'm on a mobile, 🙄 this will take some time.

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2 minutes ago, Morpheus said:

Cymatics for one, it's proof of an intelligent design. 

 

I'm not sure I understand the connection. This is the study of sound and vibrations, correct? How does it prove intelligent design? Please elaborate.

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2 minutes ago, Morpheus said:

I'm on a mobile, 🙄 this will take some time.

 

No rush mate, no rush. Please don't feel any pressure. I'm on a laptop with a puppy trying to bite my fingers as I type 😂

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1 hour ago, peter said:

My point exactly, you don't need a book  and likewise you don't need a god to be a good person,the fact that your religious is neither here nor there when it comes to doing the right thing and morals

 

Assuming there is an omniscient creator, they will know if someone is genuine when they repent, so I don't really worry about people that think they can just redeem themselves by going to church and acting like you said.

 

Does fake forgiveness have any social implications, I guess that should be the real concern.

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2 minutes ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

Assuming there is an omniscient creator, they will know if someone is genuine when they repent, so I don't really worry about people that think they can just redeem themselves by going to church and acting like you said.

 

Does fake forgiveness have any social implications, I guess that should be the real concern.

 

Or fake apologies 😂

 

 

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6 minutes ago, DarianF said:

That's an unusual transition. I would like to know, if you don't mind, how did you go from atheism to god?

Ok, so whilst I am C of E officially, I was never dragged to church, a Bible pushed under my nose, told I must believe in a certain religion and I always held the view from quite young, with no influence whatsoever by anyone, that there could not possibly be god like you say, blind faith in a bearded man sat on a cloud etc. 

 

But then covid happened and a chain of events like my Mrs getting jabbed and me slipping into an absolute dispair about it. I actually wrote up my experience on another thread around here somewhere, but I was that distraught I contemplated ending myself. 

 

In that moment, I felt I was touched by god. Now that profound experience I had gave me great comfort and courage to carry on. Now, you may rationalise what happened to me another way, for me, I felt I found God and I found him at rock bottom. I believe this is similar to many people who find god with a similar experience of hitting the bottom to be raised up. 

 

Now please don't mistake my words for meaning I have some exclusive access because I don't, I just had an experience that enlightened me to another way of thinking. Long before any of this, I like you, held a moral compass, do no wrong, cause no harm etc. 

 

What I was trying to extrapolate from Peter was where do we get out moral principles from? Because again like you, I had a moral compass without being born into religion, however, my morals have come from decent parents who have brought me up correctly and my own evolution as a person. So what I was attempting to point out at the morally corrupt people have become so through subjective morality, in the belief of rationalising away out moral compass which is why I keep saying we don't get to decide what is right and wrong and was preordained. Moral corruption is nurtured through degeneracy and societal depravity. 

 

I don't seek God to be a better person, I seek God because I want to be a better person. 

 

We can all improve as people and as Ink says in his write up, I fear not which has been written by a man. So yeah, that's how I've ended up going the other way if you like, from a profound experience. Plus, convid has taught me that there simply cannot be all out evil without an opposing force, Ying and Yang. 

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2 minutes ago, Morpheus said:

Ok, so whilst I am C of E officially, I was never dragged to church, a Bible pushed under my nose, told I must believe in a certain religion and I always held the view from quite young, with no influence whatsoever by anyone, that there could not possibly be god like you say, blind faith in a bearded man sat on a cloud etc. 

 

But then covid happened and a chain of events like my Mrs getting jabbed and me slipping into an absolute dispair about it. I actually wrote up my experience on another thread around here somewhere, but I was that distraught I contemplated ending myself. 

 

In that moment, I felt I was touched by god. Now that profound experience I had gave me great comfort and courage to carry on. Now, you may rationalise what happened to me another way, for me, I felt I found God and I found him at rock bottom. I believe this is similar to many people who find god with a similar experience of hitting the bottom to be raised up. 

 

Now please don't mistake my words for meaning I have some exclusive access because I don't, I just had an experience that enlightened me to another way of thinking. Long before any of this, I like you, held a moral compass, do no wrong, cause no harm etc. 

 

What I was trying to extrapolate from Peter was where do we get out moral principles from? Because again like you, I had a moral compass without being born into religion, however, my morals have come from decent parents who have brought me up correctly and my own evolution as a person. So what I was attempting to point out at the morally corrupt people have become so through subjective morality, in the belief of rationalising away out moral compass which is why I keep saying we don't get to decide what is right and wrong and was preordained. Moral corruption is nurtured through degeneracy and societal depravity. 

 

I don't seek God to be a better person, I seek God because I want to be a better person. 

 

We can all improve as people and as Ink says in his write up, I fear not which has been written by a man. So yeah, that's how I've ended up going the other way if you like, from a profound experience. Plus, convid has taught me that there simply cannot be all out evil without an opposing force, Ying and Yang. 

 

Well, if you typed all that up on a mobile that quickly, I'm impressed. Thanks for the effort. And now I do understand where you're coming from much better, and I'm not so much of an arsehole that I would try to rationalise away your experience here. If that's the experience you had and it was so profound for you personally, who am I to argue or criticise.

 

Thanks for sharing. Most appreciated. Either way, I'm glad you're doing better now after your trauma.

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17 minutes ago, DarianF said:

 

I'm not sure I understand the connection. This is the study of sound and vibrations, correct? How does it prove intelligent design? Please elaborate.

Nikola Tesla said the if you want to know the secrets of the universe then think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration. Different sounds and vibrations pulsed through water (which has its own memory and to which approximately 55-60% of your body is water) then different patterns are formed depending on the frequency. Those patterns have replicated the building blocks of life. 

 

I therefore propose, we have an electric universe that we can draw power from and actually, I believe we've previously had such knowledge of using. But that's another subject. 

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35 minutes ago, DarianF said:

2. "Yet it is the people of religion who cause all the world's problems because of their fear of the "RULE book". Absolute nonsense and it is the perpetual yard stick that you constantly use to berate people of faith."

 

Not all things bad caused by religion, but many problems have been and are caused by people with conflicting holy books.

Not sure what I can add here because don't disagree that organised religion has been infiltrated and manipulated over eons. 

 

I suppose where I am different I suppose is that I'm not coming from a biblical angle. The Bible is full of allegory but it's equally in my opinion not complete either and which is why I said to you before about the controller's having the keys to the castle of knowledge and I feel they have no doubt messed with the original Bible, re-written it to confuse us. 

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2 minutes ago, Morpheus said:

Not sure what I can add here because don't disagree that organised religion has been infiltrated and manipulated over eons. 

 

I suppose where I am different I suppose is that I'm not coming from a biblical angle. The Bible is full of allegory but it's equally in my opinion not complete either and which is why I said to you before about the controller's having the keys to the castle of knowledge and I feel they have no doubt messed with the original Bible, re-written it to confuse us. 

 

That's a very good point. How much have the books of the bible been edited and or/completely hidden away. That's not something we can really debate, because who the hell knows. We don't have the evidence available to assess.

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33 minutes ago, Morpheus said:

Science does not have all the answers

You're telling me. I know my friend it's why it amuses me with people's belief in certain things like it's fact. So people believe in a certain hypothesis to rationalise their reality, it doesn't mean that it's true. Peer review equally makes me laugh, because, just because a bunch of people have agreed on something doesn't make it fact either. 

 

I'm sure on this 2 year ride you've let go of many held beliefs by simply considering information and using your discernment. What rings true what does your gut/intuition tell you? 

 

So, maybe a lot of what we do here equally requires blind faith. 🤷 It's good to think. 

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@Morpheus PS. In addition to the potential suppressed parts of the Bible, can you imagine how much ancient knowledge was lost in the Great Library of Alexandria? I'm not talking just religious texts. Texts and knowledge from all fields. Incredible loss.

 

 

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1 minute ago, DarianF said:

@Morpheus PS. In addition to the potential suppressed parts of the Bible, can you imagine how much ancient knowledge was lost in the Great Library of Alexandria? I'm not talking just religious texts. Texts and knowledge from all fields. Incredible loss.

 

 

A great point yes, a travesty of history. That library must have been an immense well of knowledge. Another example of these bastard's attempting to hide who we really are. 

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Just now, Morpheus said:

You're telling me. I know my friend it's why it amuses me with people's belief in certain things like it's fact. So people believe in a certain hypothesis to rationalise their reality, it doesn't mean that it's true. Peer review equally makes me laugh, because, just because a bunch of people have agreed on something doesn't make it fact either. 

 

I'm sure on this 2 year ride you've let go of many held beliefs by simply considering information and using your discernment. What rings true what does your gut/intuition tell you? 

 

So, maybe a lot of what we do here equally requires blind faith. 🤷 It's good to think. 

 

On the contrary, I would say it's a disgrace to science how this whole covid thing has been handled. It's anti-scientific. If proper science was being done, we would have proper vaccine safety data and we wouldn't be using these shitty PCR tests to fake cases. Pfizer and these other cunts have perverted the proper scientific process. That is NOT a black mark on science itself, it's a black mark on bad political actors and other criminal elements.

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1 minute ago, Morpheus said:

A great point yes, a travesty of history. That library must have been an immense well of knowledge. Another example of these bastard's attempting to hide who we really are. 

 

The question is, was it really destroyed or was it stolen and hidden? Probably a bit of both I think.

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19 minutes ago, DarianF said:

Well, if you typed all that up on a mobile that quickly, I'm impressed.

It's hard work, my grammar is terrible and because I rush so much I usually leave words out because I am trying to type as fast as I think. 

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19 minutes ago, DarianF said:

Well, if you typed all that up on a mobile that quickly, I'm impressed.

It's hard work, my grammar is terrible and because I rush so much I usually leave words out because I am trying to type as fast as I think. 

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If you study the top 3 religions, Judaism, Islam and Christianity, it appears Islam and Christianity are the 2 out of 3 religions that believe in an afterlife. Judaism or yahwism is atheism. Yahwism doesn't believe in the afterlife. Yahweh is money. Jews believe their paradise is right here on earth while Christians and Muslims believe in life after death. I don't know what to believe but I certainly don't worship money.  I don't believe these psychopaths worship any gods but the god of money. Yahweh the earth god. Heaven and hell is for us peasants to argue over. The yahweh cult say they will live forever through blood, right here on earth. I'm just rambling, I think christians and Muslims need to unite against a common enemy. It seems to me the same tribe has been shit stirring for a long time. 

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3 minutes ago, Morpheus said:

It's hard work, my grammar is terrible and because I rush so much I usually leave words out because I am trying to type as fast as I think. 

Yours is much better than mine. lol.

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5 minutes ago, Morpheus said:

I'd go with that as well. 

 

I watched a documentary years back, that was an investigative piece about what was lost in the Great Library, and they made the point that if all that knowledge had not been lost, we could have been at least 100 or 200 years more technologically advanced than we are now. I think that's definitely possible. There would have been stuff there from Archimedes and people like that. Anyway, can't remember what the documentary was called, but it was really good. It was on VHS so no idea where I misplaced it.

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16 minutes ago, DarianF said:

 

I watched a documentary years back, that was an investigative piece about what was lost in the Great Library, and they made the point that if all that knowledge had not been lost, we could have been at least 100 or 200 years more technologically advanced than we are now. I think that's definitely possible. There would have been stuff there from Archimedes and people like that. Anyway, can't remember what the documentary was called, but it was really good. It was on VHS so no idea where I misplaced it.

If you can get the name of it I would be interested to see it. It's my belief that we had such technology as little as 150-200 years ago. It's another rabbit hole but Jon Levi has done some very good work on the world's fairs, the gilded age and that period of time needs studying thoroughly, especially since the industrial revolution came out of it. Bear in mind we did fuck all technologically for 1000 years and then from nowhere we have this explosion of technology, philosophy and ideologies born from this period. Something about it all doesn't add up. 

 

The orphans of the 1840-1860 is interesting to me, why did we have so many orphans? Where did all the adults go? It's a very interesting topic that I've been delving into for some time. 

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30 minutes ago, Given To Fly said:

Only one way to defeat the enemy and that is through Jesus Christ.

 

Drop everything, abandon your family, follow a crazy preacher through the desert. Yeah, great plan.

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2 minutes ago, DarianF said:

 

Drop everything, abandon your family, follow a crazy preacher through the desert. Yeah, great plan.

 

Even though I might disagree with the crazy part, I agree about not sitting back waiting for someone to fix our problems.

 

 

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