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2 hours ago, Gnostic Christian said:

I do not see him as such, given that he put man above God.

 

That is what the holders of the oral traditions which is what leads Jewry and what Jesus taught.

 

Key to this might be when he said that the Sabath was created for man and not man for the Sabbath.

 

I think he would say the say about religions and Gods.

 

He asked in the bible, have ye forgotten that ye are Gods? 

 

Most have but not Gnostic Christians.

 

Regards

DL

 

I'm afraid this is all that rather cryptic to me (like much of monotheistic religion) and I'm struggling to put it into straight talking language without covering it in my own interpretations: rather like abstract art (no offense). Perhaps that's the point ha ha. Let's just say that "God" and "man" aren't beings, but states of mind, both of which are available to us according to our development. Imho of course 😉 .

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2 hours ago, Gnostic Christian said:

What they practice is the usual tribalism that all of us have.

 

Sure, me too, tribalism is part of our survival mechanism as part of the relative world, nothing wrong with that. 

 

2 hours ago, Gnostic Christian said:

They just have to do a lot of lying to keep the old fantasy traditions alive.

 

Lying implies that you know you're doing it, and you know what the actual truth is. It's interesting, I'm not sure most Christians are consciously lying in that way, yet when I think back to my childhood religion it became clear to me that most people were only believing in a limited way, as if it only became true after death. In this world, it's things like business, politics, emotion, and science/engineering which really matter. 

 

2 hours ago, Gnostic Christian said:

All the God religions will be replaced by state isms, or atheist churches, as modernization kills the supernatural beliefs.  

 

Christianity became a state -ism with Constantine didn't it? 

 

As for supernatural beliefs being killed off, perhaps the new age shows there's still a desire for believing. In any case, we need to be careful about this. On the basis that all language is dualistic; if you get rid of 'supernatural' then what is left as a contrast for 'natural' to have any meaning? Can you have up without down? It collapses into that-which-has-no-opposite. And what is that? We're getting into mysticism and there, supernatural is no worse a name than natural. But then I guess modernisers rarely look this deeply into what they're doing. 

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15 hours ago, Campion said:

if you get rid of 'supernatural' then what is left as a contrast for 'natural' to have any meaning?

I do not mind having the term.

 

What I mind are minds being foolish enough to believe in such a thing.

 

That leads to belief in talking serpents and donkeys and that gays should be hated just for being born that way.

 

Regards

DL

 

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I've been listening to too many Jay Dyer talks because now I'm interested in Orthodoxy.  
 

Really, I'm curious about liturgy, curious about what may have been passed down from the early Church from the time of Paul.  Feeling like the way the Protestants in my vicinity worship is kind of weird, with Christian rock.  (No offense.) 
 

For three years I have learned from Protestants, so there are things to get past.  
For instance: the Orthodox don't elevate Mary as a goddess like the Catholics do, but they do venerate her.  They believe she died a virgin, though.  I thought Jesus had brothers.  Technically, in the verse in question Jesus says "brethren."  It would be good to reconcile that.  
 

Orthodox call their priests Father, but Jesus said do not call anyone on Earth Father for there is but one Father in heaven.  So that's a thing.  
 

Anyway, it's been okay trying to piece together a new life without belonging to a church, but still looking.  
 

 

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1 hour ago, Michi713 said:

I've been listening to too many Jay Dyer talks because now I'm interested in Orthodoxy.  
 

Really, I'm curious about liturgy, curious about what may have been passed down from the early Church from the time of Paul.  Feeling like the way the Protestants in my vicinity worship is kind of weird, with Christian rock.  (No offense.) 
 

For three years I have learned from Protestants, so there are things to get past.  
For instance: the Orthodox don't elevate Mary as a goddess like the Catholics do, but they do venerate her.  They believe she died a virgin, though.  I thought Jesus had brothers.  Technically, in the verse in question Jesus says "brethren."  It would be good to reconcile that.  
 

Orthodox call their priests Father, but Jesus said do not call anyone on Earth Father for there is but one Father in heaven.  So that's a thing.  
 

Anyway, it's been okay trying to piece together a new life without belonging to a church, but still looking.  
 

 

 

Probably worth looking into Greek Orthodoxy.

 

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@Diesel  Thanks for sharing :) I didn't know that Rastafarianism was a type of Christianity it's good to learn about things.  So does Jah refer to Jesus, in your understanding? 

 

Edit - also where does the name Jah come from? 

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12 hours ago, Michi713 said:

Orthodox call their priests Father, but Jesus said do not call anyone on Earth Father for there is but one Father in heaven.   

I think that the morality of the belief system is more important than the rest of the religion.

 

Call God whatever you like, if he is a good God.

 

In Christianity, Yahweh and Jesus are demonstrably evil, so I don't think you want to go that way.

 

Regards

DL

 

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13 hours ago, Campion said:

@Diesel  Thanks for sharing :) I didn't know that Rastafarianism was a type of Christianity it's good to learn about things.  So does Jah refer to Jesus, in your understanding? 

 

Edit - also where does the name Jah come from? 

Yes Jesus was an avatar of God, Jah comes from Jehovah. I am still learning so please don't shoot me if I get anything wrong but basically Rastafarians believe Haile Selassie was the second incarnation of Jesus Christ. Lots of other exciting things I am learning such as the Ethiopians built the Pyramids, and the Rosetta Stone was a mistranslated version of Hieroglyphics.  

 

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@Diesel Thanks 🙂 there's a lot to discover in the history of religions.  I am fascinated by the relationship between oneness and mulitplicity, and when I looked up 'I and I' from Rasta, liked what I saw - this is from wiki: 

 

  I and I  is a complex term, referring to the oneness of Jah (God) and every human. In the words of Rastafari scholar E. E. Cashmore: "I and I is an expression to totalize the concept of oneness. 'I and I' as being the oneness of two persons. So God is within all of us and we're one people in fact. I and I means that God is within all men. The bond of Ras Tafari is the bond of God, of man." The term is often used in place of "you and I" or "we" among Rastafari, implying that both persons are united under the love of Jah.  

 

I'd take it a bit further myself into full pantheism, which is a type of Christianity which might work for me. 

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On 1/16/2023 at 11:42 PM, EnigmaticWorld said:

Probably worth looking into Greek Orthodoxy.


Definitely Greek.  
 

I hear Dyer's silence on ROC and it's filthy dealings.  But is he some kind of operative or sincere?  He did have that guy Aleksandr Dugin on his show before.  He said his church has connections to higher ups in the Russian church, so that may explain that.   

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On 1/19/2023 at 12:47 AM, Michi713 said:


Definitely Greek.  
 

I hear Dyer's silence on ROC and it's filthy dealings.  But is he some kind of operative or sincere?  He did have that guy Aleksandr Dugin on his show before.  He said his church has connections to higher ups in the Russian church, so that may explain that.   

 

Not sure. I don't know a great deal about Dyer to be honest, I have just observed how he has avoided debating certain people over the years that are heavily invested in this topic.

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I hate the word or term Christian. Jesus never said to be a Christian or follow a religion. He said to follow him, not a church or denomination. I believe Christ saved humanity on the cross. I don't believe in prayer or any of that stuff.

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On 2/17/2023 at 7:49 PM, Jason57 said:

I hate the word or term Christian. Jesus never said to be a Christian or follow a religion. He said to follow him, not a church or denomination. I believe Christ saved humanity on the cross. I don't believe in prayer or any of that stuff.

 

What does following Jesus mean to you? 

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