What kind of Christian are you?

[Macnamara]

1 hour ago, tommydrifter said:

THE MEMORIES ARE STORED IN YOUR LOCKED DNA. YOU WERE THERE.

 

i'm actually very open to that possibility

[tommydrifter]

It horrifies me to think I am bullshitting. I just want to stress that the language I use is what is contained in my own knowledge base, my own education. So I could fuck up, use the wrong words, that sort of thing. If my understanding of the science is incorrect, I will translate incorrectly. If my understanding of the concepts is wrong, I will translate incorrectly. Just so you know.

 

So the words, the information, is "physical"? 

 

All information is modulated frequencies. Carrier waves. So if it is bullshit, you feel that the frequency is not resonant with what you know is true, what you have experienced in many lifetimes. You carry more knowledge than you realise, it's in your DNA. All is frequency. Think analogy. It is all the same energy, more or less, applied and manipulated in different ways.

 

THE FREQUENCY IS THE INFORMATION. LEARN TO RECOGNISE THE FREQUENCIES, NOT HOW THEY ARE DRESSED. PAY LESS ATTENTION TO HOW IT APPEARS AND MORE ATTENTION TO HOW IT FEELS. DOES IT RESONATE.

 

I feel like I am repeating what I know rather than channeling. How do I know I am channeling and not just drawing upon my own knowledge. Can you explain that? How can I tell the difference? My bullshit will interfere with the message. (I can't believe I have to do this.  ) 

 

This is is a combination of my information and external information. Doing my best. Take it or leave it. Learning on the job. Just ban me, put me out of my fucking misery. 

 

I HAVE TO POST THIS. VERY SORRY. DO NOT WISH TO DERAIL THE THREAD. WILL TRY TO STAY ON TOPIC. THIS IS ABOUT JESUS FUCKING CHRIST. CHRISITIANS AND SHIT. No offense. I fear bullshitting but it won't let me not post this. I'm trying to not post this but it is making me. Very sorry David Icke forums. Just ban me for spamming and I'll fuck off.

 

What I'm going to do is try and regroup and bring this back on topic -- but it won't let me not post this. Just so you know.

 

 

 

[TheConsultant]

12 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

i'm actually very open to that possibility

memory is actually not stored in the brain at all, I can back that up for sure.

[Macnamara]

Just now, TheConsultant said:

memory is actually not stored in the brain at all, I can back that up for sure.

 

i know that they found that the heart has neurons so our brain is not our only thinking part of our body. It really has a synergistic relationship with the heart.....or at least it should!

[TheConsultant]

4 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

i know that they found that the heart has neurons so our brain is not our only thinking part of our body. It really has a synergistic relationship with the heart.....or at least it should!

memory retrieval is via the brain, but memory is stored entirely differently and DNA is data, information stored, it could absolutely be a function of memory or even be where it is stored. I have heard of similar before.

I have read many papers on after affects of organ transplants and people having false memories afterwards, not suggesting memory is stored in organs though.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31739081/ - Personality changes following heart transplantation: The role of cellular memory

Not heard that about the heart before.

Edited June 8, 2022 by TheConsultant

[Macnamara]

3 minutes ago, TheConsultant said:

Not heard that about the heart before.

There are neurons in your heart

We assume that the brain is controlling our emotions, but Professor David Paterson, Ph.D. at Oxford University, disputes this. He says that the brain is not the only organ that produces emotions. This is because the heart actually contains neurons similar to those in the brain, and these fire in conjunction with the brain. The heart and the brain are therefore connected:

When your heart receives signals from the brain via the sympathetic nerves, it pumps faster. And when it receives signals through the parasympathetic nerves, it slows down,

says Paterson.

Neurons are associated with thought processes in the brain, but highly specialized ones have been found situated on the right ventricle surface. It begs the question, what are thought process neurons doing in an organ that pushes blood around our body?

These heart neurons can think for themselves

In an experiment, a piece of right ventricle from a rabbit, where these specialized neurons have been found, is placed in a tank with oxygen and nutrients. The piece of heart manages to beat on its own, despite being unattached, suspended and having no blood flowing through it. When Professor Paterson shocks the heart tissue it immediately slows down this beating. Professor Paterson believes that is a direct decision made by the neurons as they respond to the impulse.

The human heart reacts strongly to negative emotions

Health studies have proved that intense anger has an adverse effect on the heart, increasing the risk of a heart attack by five times. Intense grief is also extremely unhealthy. You are 21 more times more likely to have a heart attack the day immediately after you have lost a loved one. Studies have shown that people who have suffered prolonged stressful situations, such as soldiers, combat veterans, doctors, all have higher rates of heart problems than the rest of the population.

On an ECG readout, if we are under stress, our heartbeat shows up in a series of jagged and erratic lines. This is called an incoherent heart rhythm pattern. This means that our autonomic nervous system (ANS) is out of sync with each other. Scientists liken this to driving a car and having one foot on the gas (the sympathetic nervous system) and the other on the brake (the parasympathetic nervous system) simultaneously.

But it also reacts strongly to positive emotions

By contrast, when we experience pleasure, joy or contentment, our heart rhythms become very orderly and look like a smooth wave. Scientists call this a coherent heart rhythm pattern where the two branches of the ANS are completely in sync and working together.

Positive emotions, therefore, have some bearing on our hearts and can actually have healing properties. Studies have shown that in cases of people who had an increased risk of early-onset coronary artery disease, those that showed a happy outlook and cheerful persona had their risk of a heart attack reduced by one-third.

Mind over matter you might think but which mind and where?

The heart also affects your mind

In a final test in the film, Malone looks at images, some neutral and some frightened. Some are synced in time to his heartbeat, and others are not. The results revealed that when he saw the frightened images in sync with his heartbeat he perceived them as being ‘more intensely frightened’ than when he saw them out of sync.

This would suggest that his heartbeat is affecting his mind, and processed a greater reaction in connection with the images and the heartbeat. During the test, researchers mapped the exact area of the brain that was affected by the heart, which was the amygdala.

The amygdala is known as the fight or flight brain structure and processes fear reactions, alongside signals from the heart. In this experiment, however, it is the human heart that is affecting the brain in the first instance.

Malone argues that:

It is our heart working in tandem with our brain that allows us to feel for others… It is ultimately what makes us human… Compassion is the heart’s gift to the rational mind.

Is this just wishful, poetic thinking?

However, there are still some scientists that argue having neurons in the heart does not make it a thinking organ. There are also neurons in the spinal cord and the nervous system, but they do not have minds either.

Some scientists believe the reason for neurons in the heart is that it is a highly specialized organ that requires neurons to regulate and process the extreme demands of the cardiovascular system.

The neurons in the brain are not the same as the neurons on the heart, and having neurons present does not indicate consciousness. The brain consists of an intricate pattern of neurons, organized in a specialized way that allows us to produce cognitive thought.

References:

1. www.researchgate.net
2. www.nature.com

https://www.learning-mind.com/the-human-heart-mind/

[TheConsultant]

12 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

There are neurons in your heart

We assume that the brain is controlling our emotions, but Professor David Paterson, Ph.D. at Oxford University, disputes this. He says that the brain is not the only organ that produces emotions. This is because the heart actually contains neurons similar to those in the brain, and these fire in conjunction with the brain. The heart and the brain are therefore connected:

When your heart receives signals from the brain via the sympathetic nerves, it pumps faster. And when it receives signals through the parasympathetic nerves, it slows down,

says Paterson.

Neurons are associated with thought processes in the brain, but highly specialized ones have been found situated on the right ventricle surface. It begs the question, what are thought process neurons doing in an organ that pushes blood around our body?

These heart neurons can think for themselves

In an experiment, a piece of right ventricle from a rabbit, where these specialized neurons have been found, is placed in a tank with oxygen and nutrients. The piece of heart manages to beat on its own, despite being unattached, suspended and having no blood flowing through it. When Professor Paterson shocks the heart tissue it immediately slows down this beating. Professor Paterson believes that is a direct decision made by the neurons as they respond to the impulse.

The human heart reacts strongly to negative emotions

Health studies have proved that intense anger has an adverse effect on the heart, increasing the risk of a heart attack by five times. Intense grief is also extremely unhealthy. You are 21 more times more likely to have a heart attack the day immediately after you have lost a loved one. Studies have shown that people who have suffered prolonged stressful situations, such as soldiers, combat veterans, doctors, all have higher rates of heart problems than the rest of the population.

On an ECG readout, if we are under stress, our heartbeat shows up in a series of jagged and erratic lines. This is called an incoherent heart rhythm pattern. This means that our autonomic nervous system (ANS) is out of sync with each other. Scientists liken this to driving a car and having one foot on the gas (the sympathetic nervous system) and the other on the brake (the parasympathetic nervous system) simultaneously.

But it also reacts strongly to positive emotions

By contrast, when we experience pleasure, joy or contentment, our heart rhythms become very orderly and look like a smooth wave. Scientists call this a coherent heart rhythm pattern where the two branches of the ANS are completely in sync and working together.

Positive emotions, therefore, have some bearing on our hearts and can actually have healing properties. Studies have shown that in cases of people who had an increased risk of early-onset coronary artery disease, those that showed a happy outlook and cheerful persona had their risk of a heart attack reduced by one-third.

Mind over matter you might think but which mind and where?

The heart also affects your mind

In a final test in the film, Malone looks at images, some neutral and some frightened. Some are synced in time to his heartbeat, and others are not. The results revealed that when he saw the frightened images in sync with his heartbeat he perceived them as being ‘more intensely frightened’ than when he saw them out of sync.

This would suggest that his heartbeat is affecting his mind, and processed a greater reaction in connection with the images and the heartbeat. During the test, researchers mapped the exact area of the brain that was affected by the heart, which was the amygdala.

The amygdala is known as the fight or flight brain structure and processes fear reactions, alongside signals from the heart. In this experiment, however, it is the human heart that is affecting the brain in the first instance.

Malone argues that:

It is our heart working in tandem with our brain that allows us to feel for others… It is ultimately what makes us human… Compassion is the heart’s gift to the rational mind.

Is this just wishful, poetic thinking?

However, there are still some scientists that argue having neurons in the heart does not make it a thinking organ. There are also neurons in the spinal cord and the nervous system, but they do not have minds either.

Some scientists believe the reason for neurons in the heart is that it is a highly specialized organ that requires neurons to regulate and process the extreme demands of the cardiovascular system.

The neurons in the brain are not the same as the neurons on the heart, and having neurons present does not indicate consciousness. The brain consists of an intricate pattern of neurons, organized in a specialized way that allows us to produce cognitive thought.

References:

1. www.researchgate.net
2. www.nature.com

https://www.learning-mind.com/the-human-heart-mind/

Well holy shit, I didn't know that. Gut flora is attributed to similar!

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4367209/ - The gut-brain axis: interactions between enteric microbiota, central and enteric nervous systems

Edited June 8, 2022 by TheConsultant

[tommydrifter]

Look, guys, I have no idea what I'm talking about. But think about it, the DNA is in your cells. The cells are the building blocks of your organs. But the memory I am talking about, or "it" is talking about, is past-life memories. Back in the time of Jesus Christ and all of that and the Romans. The point is, that if you read historical information and you were there, it will resonate with your cellular memory.

 

I will have to go away and think about it. If reincarnation is a fact of life, then the past-life information has to be retained. But I agree that memory retrieval is via the brain. Your personal memories from your lifetimes are stored in your cells.

 

By the way, I am not sure if this is channeled information. I feel like I am being dictated to. Guided. I am not in a trance or anything like that. There is a bit going on with me at the moment. Hopefully, I am not bullshitting. I am resisting the energy flow because I don't want to be a bullshitter. If I could let go, I might be able to pull better information.

 

 

[Macnamara]

1 minute ago, TheConsultant said:

Well holy shit, I didn't know that. Gut flora is attributed to similar!

 

all i know about the gut from the conspiracy angle is that glyphosate which monsanto (now absorbed into bayer) created and put into their widely used herbicide roundup weakens the gut lining

 

squalene shark oil is used in the vaccines and that also harms the gut. The other thing that has an adverse effect on the gut is microwaves which can also weaken the gut lining

 

even suggesting a possible link between gut issues from vaccines and autism was enough to see andrew wakefield's career completely destroyed

[Macnamara]

2 minutes ago, tommydrifter said:

Look, guys, I have no idea what I'm talking about. But think about it, the DNA is in your cells.

 

sure and to what extent is DNA also a receiver to pick up information from the wider mystery or what david would call the 'cosmic internet' but which our ancestors may have called the web of wyrd?

Edited June 8, 2022 by Macnamara

[TheConsultant]

34 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

sure and to what extent is DNA also a receiver to pick up information from the wider mystery or what david would call the 'cosmic internet' but which our ancestors may have called the web of wyrd?

Its an antenna. 
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21457072/ - DNA is a fractal antenna in electromagnetic fields

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-59489560 - Scientists claim big advance in using DNA to store data

https://phys.org/news/2016-08-dna-naturally-fluoresces.html

DNA is designed to send and receive light otherwise known as electromagnetism. The significance or not I do not know for sure.

Information is all around, we just dont pick up on most of it or understand most of it. Whatever percentage DNA is considered junk summarises the lack of understanding our so called scientists have.

Edited June 8, 2022 by TheConsultant

[TheConsultant]

9 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

all i know about the gut from the conspiracy angle is that glyphosate which monsanto (now absorbed into bayer) created and put into their widely used herbicide roundup weakens the gut lining

 

squalene shark oil is used in the vaccines and that also harms the gut. The other thing that has an adverse effect on the gut is microwaves which can also weaken the gut lining

 

even suggesting a possible link between gut issues from vaccines and autism was enough to see andrew wakefield's career completely destroyed

absolutely! 2.45GHz can cause diabetes in rats. GMO food also allegedly affects gut lining.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25775055/ - Effects of 2.4 GHz radiofrequency radiation emitted from Wi-Fi equipment on microRNA expression in brain tissue

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29913098/ - Radiofrequency radiation emitted from Wi-Fi (2.4 GHz) causes impaired insulin secretion and increased oxidative stress in rat pancreatic islets

To say it cannot or does not affect biology at non ionising levels is evidently absolute bollocks.

Edited June 8, 2022 by TheConsultant

[Macnamara]

To tie all this into christianity i have heard some other symbolic references to jesus as the heart acting as a mediator between the brain and the lower generative organs or animal nature

 

Another symbolic mediator role is ascribed to him on the cross between two thieves representing the left and right hemispheres of the brain with the hill of 'golgotha' being the skull

[tommydrifter]

8 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

sure and to what extent is DNA also a receiver to pick up information from the wider mystery or what david would call the 'cosmic internet' but which our ancestors may have called the web of wyrd?

 

6 minutes ago, TheConsultant said:

Its an antenna. 

 

It can act as antenna.

 

DNA stores information AND can act as an antenna.

 

Every cell in your body contains the information, the biological information, that you carry with you through your lifetimes. The information is literally stored in your cells.

 

YOU CAN DRAW INFORMATION FROM WITHIN OR PULL INFORMATION FROM WITHOUT.

YOUR DNA STORES INFORMATION AND ACTS AS AN ANTENNA.

 

(Hopefully, I am not bullshitting.)

[Macnamara]

Just now, tommydrifter said:

Every cell in your body contains the information, the biological information, that you carry with you through your lifetimes. The information is literally stored in your cells.

 

you can incubate and hatch chicks without their parents and the chicks know somehow to eat and drink and generally what to do in their lives. They have some sort of inbuilt memory

[TheConsultant]

19 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

you can incubate and hatch chicks without their parents and the chicks know somehow to eat and drink and generally what to do in their lives. They have some sort of inbuilt memory

Rupert Sheldrake would say that is Morphic Resonance. Collective memory held and shared with species, some fascinating data points in his research. They did studies in multiple countries using various animals and teaching tehm tricks, the speed in which they learnt them went up if a group had already learnt that trick or behaviour elsewhere. It is fascinating.

Edited June 8, 2022 by TheConsultant

[tommydrifter]

1 minute ago, Macnamara said:

 

you can incubate and hatch chicks without their parents and the chicks know somehow to eat and drink and generally what to do in their lives. They have some sort of inbuilt memory

 

THE "IN-BUILT MEMORY" IS INTUITION. CELLULAR MEMORY.

THE DNA CARRIES YOUR LIFETIMES' MEMORIES AND ARE EXPERIENCED AS INTUITION IN THE NOW.

 

Irrational fears are not irrational.

Or, you just know what to do.

It is cellular memory being recalled as intuition.

 

THIS IS INTUITION DRAWN FROM WITHIN.

EXPERIENTIAL KNOWLEDGE STORED IN YOUR CELLS.

 

(Hopefully, I am not bullshitting. Will have to let it sink in.)

[Macnamara]

5 minutes ago, TheConsultant said:

Rupert Sheldrake would say that is Morphic Resonance.

 

i think just another name for the web of wyrd

 

others may also speak of the akashic records

[TheConsultant]

6 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

i think just another name for the web of wyrd

 

others may also speak of the akashic records

Humans love to name things and separate them out. We overcomplicate when not necessary and oversimplify when its not appropriate to. 

Sorry thread, I am not discussing Christianity at all, I get pulled in to interesting conversation far too easily.

Edited June 8, 2022 by TheConsultant

[tommydrifter]

 

COLLECTIVE MEMORIES ARE PULLED

INDIVIDUAL MEMORIES ARE DRAWN

THERE IS A DIFFERENCE

BOTH APPLY

 

WHAT IS WHAT

 

IN EACH CASE

THERE IS A SPECIES MIND

THERE IS A SPECIMEN MIND

WHEN IS IT A COLLECTIVE MEMORY?

WHEN IS IT AN INDIVIDUAL MEMORY?

 

 

 

 

CHRISTIANITY

 

 

~

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I

AM 

YOUR LORD

JESUS CHRIST

IS A CHRISTIAN

HE IS THE ORIGINAL

CHRIST CONSCIOUSNESS

THE CHRISTIAN GOD IS THE TRUE GOD

THE TRUE SPIRITUALITY IS

SPIRITUAL ALIGNMENT

WHICH CHRIST

YOUR LORD

IS IN

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~

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ANY

PERSON

WHO IS NOT IN

SPIRITUAL ALIGNMENT

IS NOT A TRUE CHRISTIAN

THE "GODS" ARE EXTRATERRESTRIALS

THEY   USE MIND-CONTROL PROGRAMMING

THEY TURN YOU AWAY FROM THE TRUE SPIRITUALITY

THEY FOCUS YOUR ATTENTION AWAY FROM ME

YOU LOSE YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF

YOUR SOURCE CREATOR

YOUR GOD

I AM

+

I

AM

GOD

SOURCE

CREATOR

YOU ARE A

CHRISTIAN DO

YOU UNDERSTAND

 

 

 

[pi3141]

On 4/5/2022 at 3:12 PM, bamboozooka said:

with regards to the uk church you cant trust the elders

 

On 4/25/2022 at 7:37 PM, Macnamara said:

its all run by freemasons imo

 

In one of the Masonry degrees it states all Lodges should be situated East to West like all good churches - in honour of the Sun.

 

In the entered apprentice degree they explain the Lodge is orientated East to West because Solomons temple was also, and in honour of the great Easterly wind that allowed Moses to escape with the Israelites.

 

The Freemasons theology draws heavily on Christianity. No surprise if the two are linked.

 

The Freemasons is an esoteric extension of the Christian church which itself is an extension of the Pagan Mystery Religions which were heavily influenced by Sun worship among other things like nature worship.

 

The Masons honour the Sun and its Royal Arch through the sky.

 

The Masons believe Natures law is the primary law like the Pagans did.

 

They symbolically put Masonry Law and Natures Law above Gods Law.

 

The Masons, like the Christians are just an extension of the Pagan religions.

 

If you want to know more search for -

 

The Masters Carpet by Ronayne

 

He was a worshipful master and then left and wrote his expose book on Masonry's origins abd how Masonry and Catholicism are Baal worship based on the old Pagan Mystery Schools.

 

The book is available as a free pdf on the Colarado Masons website and Archive.org

 

Freemasonry and Christianity are from the same beast. Look into it, its undeniable.

[bamboozooka]

in the future enlightened ppl will leave the church and worship in their living rooms.

they will then start to have small group mass which will totally piss the church and government off

and they will raid these small gatherings

[pi3141]

1 hour ago, bamboozooka said:

in the future enlightened ppl will leave the church and worship in their living rooms.

they will then start to have small group mass which will totally piss the church and government off

and they will raid these small gatherings

 

So many emotions reading this post - first - your probably right! But, that makes me sad.

 

But it makes me happy to think of people reaching enlightenment to realize they don't need a church and start connecting with one another spiritually and truly following the religion of Christ and the teachings of the Christ, not the false religion created about Christ which largely ignores his teachings.

 

But then I think your vision would probably come true, and they would outlaw the movement and use their force against it, and that makes me sad again.

[bamboozooka]

On 6/8/2022 at 9:53 PM, pi3141 said:

 

So many emotions reading this post - first - your probably right! But, that makes me sad.

 

But it makes me happy to think of people reaching enlightenment to realize they don't need a church and start connecting with one another spiritually and truly following the religion of Christ and the teachings of the Christ, not the false religion created about Christ which largely ignores his teachings.

 

But then I think your vision would probably come true, and they would outlaw the movement and use their force against it, and that makes me sad again.

my point has just been reinforced big time.

 

Church of England admits it doesn't have a definition of 'woman'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11000401/Church-England-woman-decide.html

[pi3141]

On 6/8/2022 at 1:02 PM, Macnamara said:

you can incubate and hatch chicks without their parents and the chicks know somehow to eat and drink and generally what to do in their lives. They have some sort of inbuilt memory

 

Was watching a documentary, when a Kangaroo gets pregnant, it gives birth to what looks like a feotus, the feotus comes out of the Kangaroo and knows to crawl up the leg of its mum and get into the pouch and attach itself to the nipple to feed where it then grows.

 

A kangaroo feotus 'knows' what to do, how do we explain that without some form of inbuilt genetic memory involved.

 

It was amazing watching a feotus crawl up and into the pouch and attach itself to feed.

 

Macropod reproduction

Link - https://kangaroocreekfarm.com/about-roos/