Weedo Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 On 7/5/2021 at 10:52 AM, pi3141 said: I quote that verse often. It shows you don't need a church - YOU are the church. Compare that advice to the Muslim practice of travelling to Mecca in their thousands to publicly walk in circles praying, or attending a mosque in great numbers 5 times a day to pray publicly with others, it goes against the Mathew teaching and ignores the fact that the kingdom of heaven is in you, you have a connection to the creator and you don't need a church or mediator in the form of a preist, you are a preist if you believe in God. It's not true. Hajj is meant once in one's life, and praying at mosques is recommended, but it is more than clear that one should not be like the ones who pray just to be seen. What about this Matthew? Matthew 18:20 For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.” And what about this? Acts 1:14 They all joined together constantly in prayer, along with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brothers. Acts 4:24 When they heard this, they raised their voices together in prayer to God. “Sovereign Lord,” they said, “you made the heavens and the earth and the sea, and everything in them. 1 Corinthians 7:5 Do not deprive each other except perhaps by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. I don't understand what is wrong with group prayers. Sounds like social distancing to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi3141 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 16 hours ago, Weedo said: It's not true. Hajj is meant once in one's life, and praying at mosques is recommended, but it is more than clear that one should not be like the ones who pray just to be seen. What about this Matthew? I'm suspicious of Mathew even though I quote from it, I believe the Resurrection story was added later to Mathew, I wonder what else has been added? However in Mathew it says this - 5 “And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. Pray in secret, the prayer is between you and God, you don't need a church because you are the church/temple, I see nothing wrong with gathering in groups but I see something immensely wrong with building grand churches and expecting donations from people to use it as a prayer centre to enrich the organization, thats not spirituality. At least the Muslim's try and do some good with the alms they get but the Catholic Church has hoarded wealth and its corrupted them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weedo Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 19 minutes ago, pi3141 said: I'm suspicious of Mathew even though I quote from it, I believe the Resurrection story was added later to Mathew, I wonder what else has been added? However in Mathew it says this - 5 “And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. Pray in secret, the prayer is between you and God, you don't need a church because you are the church/temple, I see nothing wrong with gathering in groups but I see something immensely wrong with building grand churches and expecting donations from people to use it as a prayer centre to enrich the organization, thats not spirituality. At least the Muslim's try and do some good with the alms they get but the Catholic Church has hoarded wealth and its corrupted them. Hypocrites are the worst. By hypocrites I mean people who pretend to be religious, while they are not. The Quran is very clear about agreeing with what you said, just like it is encouraged to give charity in secret, instead of showing it off. Personally, I haven't gone to any mosque for prayers in many years, as I feel that all the 'imams' are mind controlled zombie demons, and I'll definitely not put myself under the spiritual risk of being lead by one of those. I also haven't prayed in a group since many years. The only exception would be for instance when I'd be invited for breakfast during Ramadan, and our host would get up and lead the prayers. Also, I would visit specific mosques during funerals, and out of etiquette join prayers there, and I'd visit people who might be buried at a mosque, in order to hang out with them, talk with them, and pray for them (alone) . But unfortunately congregational prayers are not an option in this day and age, as almost everybody representing any religion can not be trusted. But in theory it would be great, and I have hope that maybe some day there would be people one can feel safe to pray with. So I totally understand Matthew's sentiments, as well as yours. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hegel Schmegel Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 For me, with regard to purity of faith, some denominations can be dismissed from consideration right at the outset, as with certain professing Christians. Televangelists, for starters. Transparently impure, most of these; profiteers in ministers' Sunday best. I would also include any others into the teaching of the purely unchristian Prosperity Gospel; good news straight out of the Human Potential circus. Any sky pilot manning a pulpit from inside a mega-church I would also be dubious of, if not count as most likely chaff among the wheat; the wheat in reference to the 'churchless' Body of Christ. 'Churchless,' to mean in this case not dependent on a physical church; meeting-places by which the laity may come together to compare clothing and to fulfill their interpersonal needs as social creatures. What we seem to have here is a process of elimination that only appears never-ending. When Christ returns will he come toting magnifying-glass and search lights? Upon skipping over the Vatican, how many sheep shall he find? Who shall be counted worthy? The stylite perched atop his pillar? I've always considered extremist ascetism in all its forms as pseudo-noble, which in my opinion would exclude the self-flagellating crypto-glutton, more into his whole wheat hoagies than holy bread from heaven. I speak this from a strictly detached, observational perspective, in attempting to answer the question posed by the thread-starter, with regard to Christian purity. I would guess there are many followers of Christ who would identify themselves as nondenominational. Like the pious woman who stays home alone on Sunday mornings, not to attend virtual church socials, but in order to refine her gift for glossolalia. Which brings me to the Pentecostals, neo-revivalists, and charismatics. No thanks. As a non-Christian, those professing to be part of Christ's church who impress me the most are those who: - read the Bible on a daily basis - are prayerful - acknowledge the Great Commission as paramount and more important than strictly the social gospel - are interested in eschatology - adhere to the Decalog - understand the importance of bodily (and not just spiritual) purity - don't have to be Israel-centric in their Christian worldview but at least do not speak wrongly of Jews - are not afraid to proclaim the unpopularity of certain scriptural teachings in the presence of nonbelievers This latter identifying mark, for me, impresses me the most. Either be a Christian (and as such live by the Bible's explicitly stated high moral principles), or don't. What is off-putting to me as one looking in on Christianity from the outside are those who profess to be believers but who water down the word to the point that they might as well be lapsers, worldlings, or outright covert wolves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alistair MacDonald Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 (edited) I`m the sort of Christian who not too long ago and maybe even today would be toast and I mean literally , there is Great truth in what`s called the bible and there is Great perversion in what`s called the bible , confused , your meant to be , the moral disease which we will call satanism was here long before the birth of the Lord Jesus and still here to-day , it sits in many places , one of the places is as Father Martin put it " satan is in the vatican " and Father Martin should know he was the head exorcist of the roman catholic church what I dont know is whether Father Martin knew that satan was in the vatican long before the birth of the Lord Jesus . The vatican was not a big bit of spare ground in which ancient romans kicked a ball about , it was as it is today a temple complex funnily enough called the vatican . When you see a contradiction in the bible , then there is something going on there is no contradiction in the Divine ,` God does not play dice` , A.Einstein God bless Edited February 8, 2022 by Alistair MacDonald Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnostic Christian Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 On 7/3/2021 at 7:20 AM, pi3141 said: I don't consider myself a Christian but I was bought up in a Church Of England denomination household. I've been looking at various denominations, currently I"m interested in the Unitarians - they don't believe in the trinity, nor that Jesus was Gods son and they reject the doctrine of Original Sin and Eternal Damnation, so no Hell which I've come to learn is a Roman Christian belief and has no basis in scripture. I was also going to go to a Quaker meefing, they don't appoint anyone as a vicar to lead the service as they don't believe you need a mediator between you and God, you can speak to it directly. So the congregation lead or take part in the direction of the service. Now if there was a church that combined Unitarian core beliefs with Quakers Christian beliefs and the Quaker church service mentality and didn't actually have a church and just met in a park somewhere I'd be all over it! What you want is Gnostic Christianity. Regards DL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnostic Christian Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 On 2/8/2022 at 1:11 PM, Alistair MacDonald said: I`m the sort of Christian who not too long ago and maybe even today would be toast and I mean literally , there is Great truth in what`s called the bible and there is Great perversion in what`s called the bible , confused , your meant to be , the moral disease which we will call satanism was here long before the birth of the Lord Jesus and still here to-day , it sits in many places , one of the places is as Father Martin put it " satan is in the vatican " and Father Martin should know he was the head exorcist of the roman catholic church what I dont know is whether Father Martin knew that satan was in the vatican long before the birth of the Lord Jesus . The vatican was not a big bit of spare ground in which ancient romans kicked a ball about , it was as it is today a temple complex funnily enough called the vatican . When you see a contradiction in the bible , then there is something going on there is no contradiction in the Divine ,` God does not play dice` , A.Einstein God bless You seek a great truth, and think to find it in some supernatural realm full of genocidal Gods. Strange. IDK where Satan is, but if Yahweh/Jesus ever shows up, I have a bullet with his evil name on it. I like the Gnostic Christian version of Jesus though. He is good. Regards DL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnostic Christian Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 On 7/3/2021 at 7:29 AM, Mr H said: I don't mind the church thing. I think it's quite amazing that people have taken the time to build such great places of worship. I will check out the Quakers. What about the Orthodox Church? They seem to claim to be the purest worshippers of Jesus. Any experiences with them? I think that all but Gnostic Christians are idol worshipers. Gnostic Christians venerate the way to salvation that Jesus taught, not Jesus himself. Jesus railed against idol worship and would not like all the Christian religions putting a man or God above the law. Such Christians have little faith. They put a half breed chimera God, Jesus, --- above their supposedly true God, Yahweh. Those Christian idol worshipers, break the first commandment by putting Jesus above Yahweh. Yet all call themselves Christian who worship a Jesus who was never anointed to Christ. Crazy eh? Regards DL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnostic Christian Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 On 2/5/2022 at 3:36 PM, Hegel Schmegel said: This latter identifying mark, for me, impresses me the most. Either be a Christian (and as such live by the Bible's explicitly stated high moral principles), or don't. What is off-putting to me as one looking in on Christianity from the outside are those who profess to be believers but who water down the word to the point that they might as well be lapsers, worldlings, or outright covert wolves. How high are those principles though? Damned low to the brightest modern and ancient moral minds. That is why Christians do not argue or do decent apologetics for their God. Gnostic Christians tore Christian apart on morals by selling the notion of Yahweh being incompetent and evil thanks to his genocidal morals way back in antiquity. We were right then as now. Regards DL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi3141 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 19 hours ago, Gnostic Christian said: Regards DL Greatest? Is that you? Yes, to add further to my comments, I want the religion of Jesus, not a religion about Jesus. Not sure about the Gnostics, don't they believe our world is evil? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnostic Christian Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 2 hours ago, pi3141 said: Greatest? Is that you? Yes, to add further to my comments, I want the religion of Jesus, not a religion about Jesus. Not sure about the Gnostics, don't they believe our world is evil? Yes, tis I. I lack your memory for names and faces though. Apologies. On that evil matter nonsense. We, in our religious sense, are the house of the spark of God within us. We love our house, and the inquisitors who murdered us doctored the history and interpretations. How can we love ourselves as, Jesus and common sense say we should said we should, if we think we are hell bound souls? ========= The Gnostic Christian reality. Gnostic Christian Jesus said, "Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign over all. [And after they have reigned they will rest.]" "If those who attract you say, 'See, the Kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is under the earth,' then the fish of the sea will precede you. Rather, the Kingdom of God is inside of you, and it is outside of you. [Those who] become acquainted with [themselves] will find it; [and when you] become acquainted with yourselves, [you will understand that] it is you who are the sons of the living Father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty." As you can see from that quote, if we see God's kingdom all around us and inside of us, we cannot think that the world is anything but evolving perfection. Most just don't see it and live in poverty. Let me try to make you see the world the way I do. Here is a mind exercise. Tell me what you see when you look around. The best that can possibly be, given our past history, or an ugly and imperfect world? Candide. "It is demonstrable that things cannot be otherwise than as they are; for as all things have been created for some end, they must necessarily be created for the best end.” That means that we live in the best of all possible worlds, because it is the only possible world, given all the conditions at hand and the history that got us here. That is an irrefutable statement given entropy and the anthropic principle. Regards DL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi3141 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 48 minutes ago, Gnostic Christian said: Yes, tis I. I lack your memory for names and faces though. Apologies. On that evil matter nonsense. We, in our religious sense, are the house of the spark of God within us. We love our house, and the inquisitors who murdered us doctored the history and interpretations. How can we love ourselves as, Jesus and common sense say we should said we should, if we think we are hell bound souls? ========= The Gnostic Christian reality. Gnostic Christian Jesus said, "Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign over all. [And after they have reigned they will rest.]" "If those who attract you say, 'See, the Kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is under the earth,' then the fish of the sea will precede you. Rather, the Kingdom of God is inside of you, and it is outside of you. [Those who] become acquainted with [themselves] will find it; [and when you] become acquainted with yourselves, [you will understand that] it is you who are the sons of the living Father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty." As you can see from that quote, if we see God's kingdom all around us and inside of us, we cannot think that the world is anything but evolving perfection. Most just don't see it and live in poverty. Let me try to make you see the world the way I do. Here is a mind exercise. Tell me what you see when you look around. The best that can possibly be, given our past history, or an ugly and imperfect world? Candide. "It is demonstrable that things cannot be otherwise than as they are; for as all things have been created for some end, they must necessarily be created for the best end.” That means that we live in the best of all possible worlds, because it is the only possible world, given all the conditions at hand and the history that got us here. That is an irrefutable statement given entropy and the anthropic principle. Regards DL Yes I don't believe in Hell, thats a Roman Church fiction with no basis in the original scripture. The kingdom of heaven is indeed within and all around us. We could have Heaven on Earth if only we followed the maxim of the prophets and Jesus' teaching - treat everyone as you wish yourself to be treated. When I look around I do not see the best we can be, I agree that maybe its the best that can be given the circumstances throughout our history - the Roman church holding science back by centuries, and I see we don't live by the maxim to treat everyone as we wish to be treated, so there's certainly room for improvement. As for God being the 'Father' I see that belief as Pagan superstition. God is much more likely to be a female or, most probably, both. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnostic Christian Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 On 2/17/2022 at 1:57 PM, pi3141 said: Yes I don't believe in Hell, thats a Roman Church fiction with no basis in the original scripture. The kingdom of heaven is indeed within and all around us. We could have Heaven on Earth if only we followed the maxim of the prophets and Jesus' teaching - treat everyone as you wish yourself to be treated. When I look around I do not see the best we can be, I agree that maybe its the best that can be given the circumstances throughout our history - the Roman church holding science back by centuries, and I see we don't live by the maxim to treat everyone as we wish to be treated, so there's certainly room for improvement. As for God being the 'Father' I see that belief as Pagan superstition. God is much more likely to be a female or, most probably, both. I like your view. That would depend on how you define God. In a real sense, it should and must be you. I have a new O.P. that I am just about to post, but this tells you who God should be. Modern Gnostic Christians name our god "I am", and yes, we do mean ourselves. You are your controller. I am mine. You represent and present whatever mind picture you have of your God or ideal human, and so do I. The name "I Am" you might see as meaning something like, --- I think I have grown up thanks to having forced my apotheosis through Gnosis and meditation and “I am”, represents the best rules and laws that we have found to live by. In Gnostic Christianity, we follow the Christian tradition that Christians have forgotten that they are to do. That is, become brethren to Jesus. That is why some say that the only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian. Here is the real way to salvation that Jesus taught. Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Allan Watts explain those quotes in detail. Alan Watts - On The Book of Eli - YouTube Joseph Campbell shows the same esoteric ecumenist idea in this link. On Becoming an Adult - YouTube The bible just plainly says to put away the things of children. The supernatural and literal reading of myths. Gnosis enlightens adults. Regards DL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alistair MacDonald Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 On 2/16/2022 at 8:27 PM, Gnostic Christian said: You seek a great truth, and think to find it in some supernatural realm full of genocidal Gods. Strange. IDK where Satan is, but if Yahweh/Jesus ever shows up, I have a bullet with his evil name on it. I like the Gnostic Christian version of Jesus though. He is good. Regards DL We are not made in the image of God ( EL ) we are made in the image of THE Gods ( Elohim ) God you could not draw a circle round , the God`s you certainly could. In the Bible it is singular in the original Jewish scipture it is plural . God is not an old man with nipples in search of a barbar , this is mockery . You could come back from another dimension two seconds ago and you would`nt be able to describe it yet people think they can pigeon-hole God , dont think so , tell me what shape is infinity ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjjamson Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 (edited) I've actually attended church consistently for years, but could never quite get past the ahem, historicity question. The last straw so to speak was the gross and overwhelming display of cowardice by literally every single church in my local area and then some in response to the fake corona virus. Obviously one could write an entire book, multiple volumes about the fundamental problems with American churches, but as a brief overview: 1. as stated, the complete and utter capitulation to fake virus theatre under the guise of abiding by "governing authorities." Who ironically are not governing authorities and do not follow any laws of government themselves. 2. the egomaniacal tendencies of most of the pastors I've encountered 3. their predatory and sociopathic exploitation of their elderly followers who are fearful (hopeful?) for obvious doctrinal reasons 4. the churches' constant groveling to the masses and appalling willingness to abandon any unpopular doctrine for donations and butts in seats One of the most bizarre aspects of christianity in the west however, is the bizarre cucking to middle easterners, especially jews. It's utterly ridiculous and embarrassing to witness. It's also strange to see so many very high IQ people drawn magnetically to the church. Anyone with even a well below average IQ could quickly figure out that christianity is a bizarre hodge podge of paganism, sun worship/astrotheology, common sense classical roman and greek moral truisms, and evinces endless internal plagiarism of the old testament within the new. Clearly there are many noteworthy positive aspects of the institution of christianity, as evidenced by it's extraordinary generosity. This is undeniable. I've also enjoyed attending churches as at least a partial oasis of sorts from the typical savagery, and proudly subhuman behavior at any other point in the week in any location. Given all of the severe and obvious problems within the church as an institution and amongst it's practitioners, we can all still learn a lesson from the more principled of churches and practitioners. Just attend even a few services at a few of the more positively regarded churches and you'll immediately figure out that despite it all, they are doing a lot right. Nonetheless, overall my verdict is this: CUCKS!!!! Edited February 22, 2022 by jjjamson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnostic Christian Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 13 hours ago, Alistair MacDonald said: We are not made in the image of God ( EL ) we are made in the image of THE Gods ( Elohim ) God you could not draw a circle round , the God`s you certainly could. In the Bible it is singular in the original Jewish scipture it is plural . God is not an old man with nipples in search of a barbar , this is mockery . You could come back from another dimension two seconds ago and you would`nt be able to describe it yet people think they can pigeon-hole God , dont think so , tell me what shape is infinity ? It is likely good grammar to address the androgynous Yahweh in a plural sense, given that he/she is to represent all peoples. What is God to you? If not yourself, you sell yourself short. Modern Gnostic Christians name our god "I am", and yes, we do mean ourselves. You are your controller. I am mine. You represent and present whatever mind picture you have of your God or ideal human, and so do I. The name "I Am" you might see as meaning something like, --- I think I have grown up thanks to having forced my apotheosis through Gnosis and meditation and “I am”, represents the best rules and laws that we have found to live by. In Gnostic Christianity, we follow the Christian tradition that Christians have forgotten that they are to do. That is, become brethren to Jesus. That is why some say that the only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian. Here is the real way to salvation that Jesus taught. Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Allan Watts explain those quotes in detail. Alan Watts - On The Book of Eli - YouTube Joseph Campbell shows the same esoteric ecumenist idea in this link. On Becoming an Adult - YouTube The bible just plainly says to put away the things of children. The supernatural and literal reading of myths. Gnosis enlightens adults. Regards DL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truther79 Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 Reformed Baptist who would support the "Biblical Flat-Earth" model as set out in scripture (i.e. fixed, immovable with a firmament). Believes in a literal interpretation of End Times too. Although constantly learning 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarianF Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 Just now, truther79 said: Reformed Baptist who would support the "Biblical Flat-Earth" model as set out in scripture (i.e. fixed, immovable with a firmament). Believes in a literal interpretation of End Times too. Although constantly learning Does the Bible Teach a Flat Earth? https://answersingenesis.org/blogs/ken-ham/2019/08/02/does-the-bible-teach-flat-earth/ Is the Earth Flat? https://answersingenesis.org/astronomy/earth/is-the-earth-flat/ Debunking the Flat Earth (with Dr. Danny Faulkner) https://youtu.be/3nwKZiawYsY Is the Earth Flat? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=289cGJ7hOkM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truther79 Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 7 minutes ago, DarianF said: Does the Bible Teach a Flat Earth? https://answersingenesis.org/blogs/ken-ham/2019/08/02/does-the-bible-teach-flat-earth/ Is the Earth Flat? https://answersingenesis.org/astronomy/earth/is-the-earth-flat/ Debunking the Flat Earth (with Dr. Danny Faulkner) https://youtu.be/3nwKZiawYsY Is the Earth Flat? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=289cGJ7hOkM It's interesting that I know an ex-speaker of AnswersInGenesis. He is in a Telegram group I am a member of. He was almost apoplectic that I would be a "FE believer" as a Christian. He called me out on it. However, when I asked him (in genuine curiosity and for an honest scientific answer) how we go from a non vacuum to a vacuum without a solid barrier he refused to answer me, ignored my attempts to have an open and humble conversation in PM and told me to look it up myself. His attitude was pretty shocking to be honest. I'm digressing...if you want to start a new thread on this topic, I'd be more than happy to participate...but on here it's steering away from the original question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarianF Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 Just now, truther79 said: It's interesting that I know an ex-speaker of AnswersInGenesis. He is in a Telegram group I am a member of. He was almost apoplectic that I would be a "FE believer" as a Christian. He called me out on it. However, when I asked him (in genuine curiosity and for an honest scientific answer) how we go from a non vacuum to a vacuum without a solid barrier he refused to answer me, ignored my attempts to have an open and humble conversation in PM and told me to look it up myself. His attitude was pretty shocking to be honest. I'm digressing...if you want to start a new thread on this topic, I'd be more than happy to participate...but on here it's steering away from the original question I just wanted to throw it out there. A lot of Christians I know argue over the flat earth issue and I find it interesting, as an outside observer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truther79 Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 4 minutes ago, DarianF said: I just wanted to throw it out there. A lot of Christians I know argue over the flat earth issue and I find it interesting, as an outside observer. Absolutely One thing I find sad is that especially on the globe side...people get very very emotional over this. It makes things almost impossible to have an open and enjoyable discussion over the topic. Would be glad to take part in one on here Hope all is well with you!! #flatgang 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarianF Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, truther79 said: Absolutely One thing I find sad is that especially on the globe side...people get very very emotional over this. It makes things almost impossible to have an open and enjoyable discussion over the topic. Would be glad to take part in one on here Hope all is well with you!! #flatgang That's fair enough, and there is a thread on all this. So feel free to join. There's nothing like a good debate. I find it a lot of fun. Much respect. #globegang 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexa Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 12 hours ago, truther79 said: #flatgang I stopped going to my Pentecostal church as during the covid hoax a lot of them were being jabbed & during the lock down the church refused to open. This covid hoax certainly bought out a lot of these Christians true colors. Personally I hate labels, to me true Christianity is about having faith & believing in Gods written word, this is one of the reasons I'm in the flatgang. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarianF Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 4 minutes ago, alexa said: about having faith & believing in Gods written word, this is one of the reasons I'm in the flatgang. So you're admitting your flatgang beliefs are religious, not science based. Thanks for clarifying that for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexa Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 13 minutes ago, DarianF said: So you're admitting your flatgang beliefs are religious, not science based. Thanks for clarifying that for us. I'm admitting to believing in Gods literal true word. Gen-1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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