spideysensei Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 Genuinely surprised after searching that the topic had not been raised before. Here's a very brief overview of the 9 types. https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/type-descriptions This forum gives off a lot of 5 and 6 energy. David Icke himself is often typed as a "6w5", which seems plausible. Because i deem this a 5 and 6 energy forum, i predict the first thing you'll attempt to do is tear it apart. Mystical nonsense, etc. Here's my claim and counter to that - i would spend a week or more with you in person, and get a 1 in 18 shot right first time from a test you've taken. Gotta admit, it's hard not to feel an ego boost when i pull this off in real life. Anyway, have at it. I'll try to answer any questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr H Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 Hmmm I'm not sure I understand. The only Enneagrams I've heard of is the fourth way Enneagrams spoken of by Gurdjieff. This seems to be something different though.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spideysensei Posted June 25, 2021 Author Share Posted June 25, 2021 10 hours ago, Mr H said: Hmmm I'm not sure I understand. The only Enneagrams I've heard of is the fourth way Enneagrams spoken of by Gurdjieff. This seems to be something different though.... Awesome, first reply and it's already going into the deeper stuff, I like this forum more every day. This is fairly different you're correct, we can classify it as a typology. Now, Gurdjieff skirted around the issue of type, but was hesitant to divulge more, i believe because he didn't want people identifying with false personality, which we are prone to do. He classified people into 3 main groups or centres - head, heart, and body/instinct. We can map out those on this system. 9 types and 3 centres or triads, each centre consisting of 3 types. 8,9,1 - instinctive/gut. 2,3,4 - heart/emotional. 5,6,7 - head/intellectual. All centres are present in us but one takes dominance over how we act and respond to our environment, what we need to work on, our strengths and weaknesses, etc. Would Gurdjieff have approved of the developments after his death? We can only speculate, but plenty of work has been done on this in the past 60/70 years to lend it some legitimacy. The Enneagram as posited by Gurdjieff is a piece of objective art, and within it one can supposedly understand any process or law that exists. The patterns of nature. Since humans are a part of nature, it follows that we can understand how we behave using this symbol also. Final thought for this post, try to think of Enneagram types as our motivations, what truly drives us, as opposed to our surface behaviour. For instance, everyone can seek to become knowledgeable in some area or another, but type 5s do this for a specific reason, a specific motivation inherent only to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 Ha, I can't work out if I'm a 6,7 or 8! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 15 hours ago, spideysensei said: The Enneagram as posited by Gurdjieff is a piece of objective art, and within it one can supposedly understand any process or law that exists. The patterns of nature. Since humans are a part of nature, it follows that we can understand how we behave using this symbol also. I have never heard of enneagrams before, however I recently finished a book called the New Human ,which basically had a different take on the prevalence of autism and different levels of incapacity , in it a few chapters were devoted to the apparent downloading of hidden information to activate dormant DNA through original music and art which I found very interesting. The fact the so called experts say most of our DNA is just junk raises a bit of a red flag for me Are we talking about something similar here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screamingeagle Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 13 hours ago, peter said: hidden information akhasic records? 13 hours ago, peter said: activate dormant DNA through original i read that "electricity" is one way to go it was one of the piramids purpouse "turning man into gods" Tesla talked how he just "gets' his ideas and that there is a core of all knowledge tha human can acces and the night he was born there was a big thunderstorm Graham Hancock also talks about "waking up" dna and human brain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 3 hours ago, screamingeagle said: akhasic records? Yes that was mentioned 3 hours ago, screamingeagle said: Graham Hancock also talks about "waking up" dna and human brain There are a lot of the so called modern free thinkers that talk about this ,It is definitely an interesting subject.I have read some of Hancock's books, Mary Rodwell etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karmaxxxx Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 4 hours ago, screamingeagle said: akhasic records? i read that "electricity" is one way to go it was one of the piramids purpouse "turning man into gods" Tesla talked how he just "gets' his ideas and that there is a core of all knowledge tha human can acces and the night he was born there was a big thunderstorm Graham Hancock also talks about "waking up" dna and human brain oh and Edgar Casey he was supposed to be very adapt at the Akashic records. funny you mentioned the pyramids' as Casey believes man will find our true history under the sphinx and as for Tesla he was in my opinion a true genius but got had by the elite. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spideysensei Posted June 30, 2021 Author Share Posted June 30, 2021 On 6/25/2021 at 5:57 PM, Morpheus said: Ha, I can't work out if I'm a 6,7 or 8! That's not massively surprising. Quite often i see types existing on a spectrum, so a difficult choice between 3 in a row is sort of common. Even more common is a difficult choice between two adjacent types, myself included for some time. It might be worth doing a test for some clarity (these are fine; i can often nail someone's result on them) although it's no substitute for understanding the types and yourself in relation to them. On 6/26/2021 at 4:15 AM, peter said: I have never heard of enneagrams before, however I recently finished a book called the New Human ,which basically had a different take on the prevalence of autism and different levels of incapacity , in it a few chapters were devoted to the apparent downloading of hidden information to activate dormant DNA through original music and art which I found very interesting. The fact the so called experts say most of our DNA is just junk raises a bit of a red flag for me Are we talking about something similar here? Possibly related? I'm not too sure tbh. If i remember correctly, Gurdjieff posited that one's level of being was important to receive the correct impressions from a piece of objective art. Also possible i think, is that the art itself produces a flash of being, or understanding on the observer, who must then utilise said understanding to further their own development, as nothing permanent can be accidental. Perhaps what the book defines as dormant DNA is something similar to states of being, higher emotional and intellectual centres that are ordinarily out of our reach. Purely speculation though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 19 minutes ago, spideysensei said: That's not massively surprising. Quite often i see types existing on a spectrum, so a difficult choice between 3 in a row is sort of common. Even more common is a difficult choice between two adjacent types, myself included for some time. It might be worth doing a test for some clarity (these are fine; i can often nail someone's result on them) although it's no substitute for understanding the types and yourself in relation to them. Possibly related? I'm not too sure tbh. If i remember correctly, Gurdjieff posited that one's level of being was important to receive the correct impressions from a piece of objective art. Also possible i think, is that the art itself produces a flash of being, or understanding on the observer, who must then utilise said understanding to further their own development, as nothing permanent can be accidental. Perhaps what the book defines as dormant DNA is something similar to states of being, higher emotional and intellectual centres that are ordinarily out of our reach. Purely speculation though. Yes what ever it is ,real or not, it certainly is an interesting concept Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 On 6/25/2021 at 10:00 PM, spideysensei said: 8,9,1 - instinctive/gut. 2,3,4 - heart/emotional. 5,6,7 - head/intellectual. I would think there is a little bit of every number in all of us ,however depending on the person different numbers and therefore attributes would definitely be more prevalent 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 1 hour ago, spideysensei said: That's not massively surprising. Quite often i see types existing on a spectrum, so a difficult choice between 3 in a row is sort of common. Even more common is a difficult choice between two adjacent types, myself included for some time. It might be worth doing a test for some clarity (these are fine; i can often nail someone's result on them) although it's no substitute for understanding the types and yourself in relation to them. Possibly related? I'm not too sure tbh. If i remember correctly, Gurdjieff posited that one's level of being was important to receive the correct impressions from a piece of objective art. Also possible i think, is that the art itself produces a flash of being, or understanding on the observer, who must then utilise said understanding to further their own development, as nothing permanent can be accidental. Perhaps what the book defines as dormant DNA is something similar to states of being, higher emotional and intellectual centres that are ordinarily out of our reach. Purely speculation though. According to that test, I'm a 2! Can't be right because I don't think I'm a people pleaser and I am certainly not possessive, quite the opposite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spideysensei Posted June 30, 2021 Author Share Posted June 30, 2021 Just now, Morpheus said: According to that test, I'm a 2! Can't be right because I don't think I'm a people pleaser and I am certainly not possessive, quite the opposite. Tests aren't infallible, and this one in particular probably hasn't been scientifically validated (this one has, but you will need to score it yourself as it's a pdf - i can't find an online one without having to pay). To some extent tests are also a reflection of how consistently we see ourselves. You might also find your type in the 2nd or 3rd position of your result. If you've answered honestly, i'd expect it to be one of those, but even then that's not necessarily true. A smattering of scores for all or most of the types could signify a type in itself (in the 3,6,9 triad). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 @spideysenseiok, ok, ok, so I did the second test and came out an 8, which I feel should have been more expected in the first one. So who knows! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spideysensei Posted June 30, 2021 Author Share Posted June 30, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Morpheus said: @spideysenseiok, ok, ok, so I did the second test and came out an 8, which I feel should have been more expected in the first one. So who knows! Cool. Well that brings me to another layer; the directions of growth and stress. The enneagram is moving system, each point connects with two others in a certain direction. For example, type 8's point of growth is type 2, so, controlling and angry 8s become more like 2s - open hearted, caring, altruistic etc. Because it moves only in one direction, it follows that type 2s point of stress is type 8, they become aggressive and dominating. I should mention that a growth point mimics the healthy levels of a type. A stress point mimics the unhealthy. All types exhibit unhealthy to healthy behaviours. To me the directions of growth and stress are all logical, if you examine the strengths and weaknesses of each type. So yes, i can see why a person might test as one of the growth or stress points. If you are an 8, congrats, you're probably healthy (in a psychological and likely physical sense). Edited June 30, 2021 by spideysensei Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, spideysensei said: If you are an 8, congrats, you're probably healthy (in a psychological and likely physical sense). It's funny how we perceive things because I'm not wholly ok with the descriptions of myself and maybe that's the perfectionist in me. I still don't think I'm controlling or possessive. I'm not sure how to interpret these personality types, maybe I'm seeing what I class as a negative and can't see past the meaning of certain words. I dunno, I like this though and thank you for steering me in this direction. I'd never heard of this until this thread. Cool stuff dude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 1 hour ago, peter said: I would think there is a little bit of every number in all of us ,however depending on the person different numbers and therefore attributes would definitely be more prevalent What do you think you are? @spideysensei what are you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spideysensei Posted June 30, 2021 Author Share Posted June 30, 2021 3 hours ago, Morpheus said: It's funny how we perceive things because I'm not wholly ok with the descriptions of myself and maybe that's the perfectionist in me. I still don't think I'm controlling or possessive. A good indicator i find is if your type description makes you uncomfortable. It should, to a degree! These are patterns of behaviour ingrained from such a young age. They reveal our deeper fears and motivations. 3 hours ago, Morpheus said: I'm not sure how to interpret these personality types, maybe I'm seeing what I class as a negative and can't see past the meaning of certain words. I dunno, I like this though and thank you for steering me in this direction. I'd never heard of this until this thread. Cool stuff dude. You're welcome. Try different sources if you like the general idea. There's plenty of variation between theorists. 3 hours ago, Morpheus said: @spideysensei what are you? 5w4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 5 hours ago, Morpheus said: What do you think you are? @spideysensei what are you? 4 7 8 in order of prevalence 4 being highest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitochondrial Eve Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 I always love a personality test! @spideysensei - are you also interested in Jung typology including Myers Briggs personality testing? What are your thoughts about it? Enneagram is not new to me and I have vague recollections of being a 4w5 or 5w4 from when I took the test previously several years back. Anyway, I have completed three tests today including the two recommended above and, of that, 5w4 came out top for two tests (including the scientifically validated pdf) and 4w5 on the other. So it seems that, most likely, I am a 5w4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 I didn't do a test the numbers I quoted are just how I see myself, and to me that's all that matters as I really don't care how others see me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 On 6/27/2021 at 8:04 AM, karmaxxxx said: oh and Edgar Casey he was supposed to be very adapt at the Akashic records. funny you mentioned the pyramids' as Casey believes man will find our true history under the sphinx and as for Tesla he was in my opinion a true genius but got had by the elite. Yes ,as far as I can remember more than a few years ago a chamber was found under the foot of the sphinx using ground penetrating radar ,however at the time permission to excavate would no be granted, I may be wrong about permission since though 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spideysensei Posted July 1, 2021 Author Share Posted July 1, 2021 19 hours ago, Mitochondrial Eve said: I always love a personality test! @spideysensei - are you also interested in Jung typology including Myers Briggs personality testing? What are your thoughts about it? I like it and believe the two systems compliment one another. I think the MBTI and this are measuring slightly different things, and with the MBTI you've got a couple of main branches of thought. First is function theory; based on Jung's work. Second you have those that see it more like the Big Five, in which 4 of the 5 dimensions correlate with the 4 MBTI dichotomies. The Big Five is by far the most scientifically accepted typology, so the fact that the MBTI does correlate well lends some credibility that it's getting at some fundamental personality traits. As i see it, and with a fair bit of overlap, the Enneagram concerns our core motivations, and the MBTI with the observable personality traits. So within reason, any Enneagram type can be any MBTI type. I don't think that's strictly true myself, but some do. 19 hours ago, Mitochondrial Eve said: Enneagram is not new to me and I have vague recollections of being a 4w5 or 5w4 from when I took the test previously several years back. Anyway, I have completed three tests today including the two recommended above and, of that, 5w4 came out top for two tests (including the scientifically validated pdf) and 4w5 on the other. So it seems that, most likely, I am a 5w4. 11 hours ago, peter said: I didn't do a test the numbers I quoted are just how I see myself, and to me that's all that matters as I really don't care how others see me And just to be different. Just kidding, saw you put down type 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karmaxxxx Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 15 hours ago, peter said: Yes ,as far as I can remember more than a few years ago a chamber was found under the foot of the sphinx using ground penetrating radar ,however at the time permission to excavate would no be granted, I may be wrong about permission since though hi Peter yes that is exactly where I am up to, they found the chamber but the Egyptian authorities for some reason refused to give the go ahead. though they've found the chamber still have not found the actual entrance, if Edgar Cayce is to believed it will be some time soon, its all very fascinating, i actually believe it will reveal far more than the what we have been taught world history will be upturned upon it head. And hopefully the lies and deceit will come out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 6 minutes ago, karmaxxxx said: hi Peter yes that is exactly where I am up to, they found the chamber but the Egyptian authorities for some reason refused to give the go ahead. though they've found the chamber still have not found the actual entrance, if Edgar Cayce is to believed it will be some time soon, its all very fascinating, i actually believe it will reveal far more than the what we have been taught world history will be upturned upon it head. And hopefully the lies and deceit will come out. Yes ,a rather cynical person such as myself would have to ask why the reluctance to possibly the greatest discovery ever made? and just maybe the seemingly constant refurbishment of the sphinx over recent years is a cover for some more nefarious goings on . It would not surprise me if when we have the eventual public unveiling the vault will be empty 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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