Where do we go from here ?

[David899]

I’m just really wondering where we all go from here??? What can we, as people, do to stop this tyranny that threatens our lives? 
Ive been on the marches and of course I’m  going to the next one. But is it helping??? I mean more people are waking up now but how do we as people take back control?? 
do we March in the street and not leave millions of people plotted up in London causing mayhem? Listen I want to do what ever is possible without violence but I really don’t see a end game where it doesn’t resort to that. Who has a plan? Where do we go from here!! We need answers!!! 

[Macnamara]

What shapes our world?

 

Your spending patterns shape this world

 

If you eat at mcdonalds then mcdonalds makes more profits and it then uses those profits to open more stores in more cities and towns across the world. Your money helps them grow

 

But mcdonalds products are not nutritious. They are not food they are junk which draws people in with addictive flavourings. So by spending your money there you are helping to fill the world up with non-nutritious junk that is pretending to be food; this means that your spending is a vote for a world full of junk and devoid of good things

 

If you want to defeat the beast system then you have to stop giving it your money. STOP FEEDING THE BEAST. The answer is so simple but no one wants to hear it. Just stop eating mcdonalds

 

This principle can be applied to every aspect of your life. If you don't want the corporatocracy spying on you then don't use their social media like facebook, don't use their email services like gmail, stop doing online searches with google, stop using smart phones and apps and don't have smart devices or bugging devices like ALEXA in your house

 

the answer is: taking PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY for your own actions in the day to day. The question is: can you do it? Are you committed to freedom or do you want to be an unhealthy, comforted, plugged-in and surveilled slave?

Edited June 24, 2021 by Macnamara

[Macnamara]

36 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

the answer is: taking PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY for your own actions in the day to day

 

That means that you must be DISCIPLINED with yourself

 

That is not the answer people want to hear. They want to hear that if they can just attack a certain group the problem will go away. But it won't

 

The problem only goes away when enough people start behaving responsibly and that means PERSONAL DISCIPLINE. Are you upto it?

 

A part of you says 'i'm hungry, i want a mcdonalds' but do you give in to that impulse or do you override it through a conscious decision based on understanding the principle that you give power to what you give your money to? Who is controlling your body? Is it your moral self or is it your emotional impulses? Who is at the helm?

Edited June 24, 2021 by Macnamara

[TetraG]

Also, since we mention McD's, as one powerful move,  go vegan if you can... Vegans know a fair amount about this stuff~ about which system you are feeding...  

 

Let me explain the scenerio how I see things loop off course in a person... Primarily by how, ignorantly feeding the system operates to those whom it might not be all that obvious....

 

So, imagine, WHAT SORT OF PERSON COULD YOU BE IF NOT IMPOSED UPON BY THE CRAP PUT ON YOUR PLATE FOR STARTERS...

 

This the first premise to consider^^^

 

 

So then.... To be this, whilst actually before becoming that thing that might save you (save yourself and be setting a good example for others of the future as well as now) but meanwhile if not vegan the throng of  hideous heart suppression in x-person goes on as the mental battle verses junk food addiction digs in...

Yet if more people could know better they would be honest with themselves and say yeah x-person (themself,  and their own self hinderance) goes on & on & on to eat crap still whilst IRONICALLY maaaaybe what is happening in some glimmer of their soul, is to be simulataneously acknowledging TO THEIR DEEPNING CONSCIENCE of being anti-it, anti eating of crap,  BUIUT WHEEEN does each person stop the insanity???? ...

 

So come outside of the self vanquished mentality by how big consumer corps control you with addiction and instead see FULLY in your heart of hearts, that to continue to eat meat by compulsion IS ONLY mis-guided misplacement, and mal-adjustment of your true worth (bereft or in leiu to whatever degree) of necessary self consciousness activisation which is when the penny drops, see off to living a CRUDDY LIFESTYLE and also you no longer are slave...

 

Else not to realize the moral objective leaves x-person simply going with the flow of mass ignorance which has you assuming as though TO EAT CRAP is your only choice. It is not your only choice...and you are not its subserviant servant.. Nor should you be that way in doubting your own conscience and seizing upon a realization. 

(*just a suggestion and point of fact should anybody CHOOOOOSE to observe*)

 

 

Now. Activisation of GETTING ACTIVE:-

 

(in more direct answer to OPs question - regardless one might say about whether veganism be the path for them AS A SIGNIFICANT PART OF REJECTING OPPRESSIVE SYSTEMS) ... 

 

 

SOOO, 

One just needs to be firm and make informed choices and not be lulled by mass lame incompetence, beguiling greed and so on.. Is that not our first instinct to dissent from that and if not, why not??

The chiefs in jest like Boris The Clown, and other motifs of governmental public experimentation, combined with corporate monopolies and all beneath them (as they see it)

their only job is to pull the wool of your eyes..  

 

Btw, 

"Corporatocracy", damn I had to try a bit with saying that Macnamara. Good one tho. 

 

As for actions in rebuke of this system, this is whereby I struggle to decide or implement even a single action of dissent, despite my actions in being vegan for many mamy years, which shows a good way to live in support of niche widening lifestyles to offset the system of corp greed hell rising dominance who utterly psychophantically pretend to be consumers best friend on perefectly adapted psychopathy patronage as per the stealth of any power hungry "whatever it takes" = mentality of psychopathic scum...

 

Anyway, more on point as to being more direct with your question, avoid having too much self conflict by all this, however, YES BE AWARE AND TAKE NOTE of systemic threats but further to it what I/you really need is preferably a support group or network of (AS I AM IN NEED OF) of tribe members in finding out what works or not in smart going about deeds.. Formulating ideas that cannot easily be vaccummed up or labelled as trouble-maker or seized on for arrest. 

 

And first of all try not to let it become 'schizophrenic' in your head about information overload (vaccine related or otherwise) and so how to use that information can then better be made apt as we adapt (or such as to say where a construct or particular of a plan or a deed may require the sensibility of being smart) and thereby we make a thing utilizable either by stealth or staunch enough to go public in some way, and by this shrewd  broad measure of looking at all the options, we start to impede the system simply by being WHO WE ARE AND WHAT WE STAND FOR...

We do so because doing whats right by our calling cannot go unsung by the measure of self worth and to resonate with others by listening to like- minds with a similar cause...

 

I am not trying to play tautology with words, I AM simply saying this is what matters and so in other words don't beat yourself up about doing what is right, and seeing on ways to make this stuff happen (whatever a good plan maybe that can protect yourself but still be canny to the cause(s) in our midst will offer by group agreed cooperation (even just by one small group if necessary to get going)  where others who with the will to act will HAPPILY JOIN,, inclined to do so also as well by simple encouragement just as human nature is agreed... No (wo)man is an island and least of all should he/she have to be made to feel that way in the midst of oppressive smug tyranny by seemingly higher smug powers. 

 

So people working together can be made safer in their objectives by what I have suggested as a cohesive starter whilst also achieving your/ my/ our step by step mission, and also lessening the strain by working together rather than simply fearing,  feeling useless and alone ... (Which nobody wants for anybody of good spirit) 

 

 

 

Edited June 24, 2021 by TetraG

[TetraG]

Excuse me riding high on veganism... (gets going at a pace you see) 

Now I just need to offer an extra bit of edit to that concerning around half my post that was with the intent of helping the oppressed generally... 

 

My edit (which I timed out for) goes now... 

 

" BUUUT WHEEEN does each person stop the insanity???? ...that is the burning and costly question.... The Earth is NOT sustainable by execessive meat consumptiom,  so why not try an alternative KNOWN to be factually proven/viable...

The Vegan Way...

(meat & dairy ARE superfluous arbitrary nonsense, and not required for human nutrition, and not counter to good health) "

 

 

Ok, I'm Done  (people can take it or leave it as ever, but some people may actually be needing to see what I wrote too) 

Edited June 24, 2021 by TetraG

[peter]

It seems to me that the only way to take power back is at the ballot box, but I'm not saying to vote for one or the other ( the lesser of two evils ), how many people think there is something wrong with the system and how many know there is something wrong with the system, yet every time there is an election they all trot along on the allotted day and vote for tweedle dumb or tweedle dumber, and then show their complete indoctrination by arguing about which side is the best, lets be honest how many on this forum voted in the last election.

 

I couldn't think of a stronger political action by the people if no one voted, the pricks can handle riots ,protests, sit ins and all the other bullshit ,but I doubt if they would know what to do if no one was actually elected.

If you think you can make a difference by entering politics ,there is one sure fire method to get elected when no one knows who you are and you have no advertising budget, change your name by deed poll to None  Of The Above and get put last on the ballot paper.

 

We get a card in the mail sent by the electoral commission ,that must be taken with you when you vote ,when I get it it goes straight in the bin on the day I get dressed in the most shitty attire  I own , I tell them the card is in the bin when I'm finally  given the ballot papers I don't even pretend I make sure the officials are watching and just throw them straight in the rubbish bin and walk out.  If every one or at least the majority did that it would in my opinion be one hell of a political statement .

Ps I don't know why my wife and grown kids make me vote by myself

[spideysensei]

6 hours ago, TetraG said:

Excuse me riding high on veganism...

 

May i ask where you get your B12 from?

[Macnamara]

6 hours ago, peter said:

It seems to me that the only way to take power back is at the ballot box

 

nope, that is how you give your power away

 

to go back to my example of mcdonalds (but the same is true of any of the trans-national corporations): everytime you buy their product you don't just give them the money to buy more stores and spread more of their corporate products you also give them the money to lobby (ie bribe) whoever you voted for at the ballot box

 

Political parties CHOOSE who they put forward for government positions and therefore the system will always get its people into government and those people represent the interests of the corporations and usually end up working for them when they leave politics or they get rewarded with large payments on the after dinner speaking circuit where they speak to corporate types

 

government and the corporations are in cahoots

 

You take your power back by operating outside of those two things yourself and by supporting those people/groups that are also operating outside of government and the corporations

Edited June 24, 2021 by Macnamara

[spideysensei]

A political or legal solution seems unlikely.

 

Personally, i like to listen to inspiring music when i workout (lately that's been Hans Zimmer, Devin Townsend, Tool...). I'm healthier near 40 than i think i've ever been. Essentially i'm preparing for you know what. I want to see Mad Max style vehicles with flame throwing guitarists, playing all the awesome and uplifting tunes we know to lead us into battle.

 

 

[Guest Gone Fishing...]

6 hours ago, peter said:

I couldn't think of a stronger political action by the people if no one voted, the pricks can handle riots ,protests, sit ins and all the other bullshit ,but I doubt if they would know what to do if no one was actually elected.

 

2 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

You take your power back by operating outside of those two things and you do that by supporting ANYONE who is doing that

 

You missed a bit Mac  :O)
 

[Macnamara]

Just now, spideysensei said:

A political or legal solution seems unlikely.

 

Personally, i like to listen to inspiring music when i workout (lately that's been Hans Zimmer, Devin Townsend, Tool...). I'm healthier near 40 than i think i've ever been. Essentially i'm preparing for you know what. I want to see Mad Max style vehicles with flame throwing guitarists, playing all the awesome and uplifting tunes we know to lead us into battle.

 

there are a few stages before the mad max scenario occurs

 

first all the pro-freedom people move out of all the democrat led states and redraw the battle lines by settling in red blooded american states. Then the democrats try to come after them and their wealth and guns by using the feds against them but meanwhile the democrat run states that are now devoid of responsible, hard working, honest, family orientated people (known euphemistically nowadays as 'white supremacists') descend into utter chaos and carnage and the ones along the southern border become over-run by 'rasa' mexican ethno-nationalists

 

then the freedom loving people have to try and stop the mad max shit from spilling over from the democrat run states into the red states where people are trying to raise kids that will grow up to be capable of reproduction and holding down a responsible job

[Macnamara]

6 hours ago, peter said:

I couldn't think of a stronger political action by the people if no one voted

 

it's not enough

 

the REAL vote is how you spend your money. Each pound is a vote for what you want more of

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@David899 

[karmaxxxx]

9 hours ago, Macnamara said:

 

That means that you must be DISCIPLINED with yourself

 

That is not the answer people want to hear. They want to hear that if they can just attack a certain group the problem will go away. But it won't

 

The problem only goes away when enough people start behaving responsibly and that means PERSONAL DISCIPLINE. Are you upto it?

 

A part of you says 'i'm hungry, i want a mcdonalds' but do you give in to that impulse or do you override it through a conscious decision based on understanding the principle that you give power to what you give your money to? Who is controlling your body? Is it your moral self or is it your emotional impulses? Who is at the helm?

AND that my friend is exactly what is needed SELF DISCPLINE good analogy also, but on the topic of McDonalds my teacher many years ago asked his students if they've actually took the time to read what ingredients where in there food stuffs, would you be surprised if I told you sand is one ingredient and yeah heaps of hypo children how many E- colours hidden . if you value your health stay well away from them. now I agree with you yet again to many people deflecting their own stuff on other people rather than take responsibility FOR THEMSELVES easier to attack others hides their own insecurities bro. i salute you top post in my opinion.

[Itsjaybigjay]

20 minutes ago, spideysensei said:

A political or legal solution seems unlikely.

 

Personally, i like to listen to inspiring music when i workout (lately that's been Hans Zimmer, Devin Townsend, Tool...). I'm healthier near 40 than i think i've ever been. Essentially i'm preparing for you know what. I want to see Mad Max style vehicles with flame throwing guitarists, playing all the awesome and uplifting tunes we know to lead us into battle.

 

 

I have to agree I believe a political or peaceful solution are very unlikely

 

The only real option in my opinion is guerilla warfare it will be much easier to achieve a victory in the US than here in the UK however a flamethrower is surprisingly easy to make  and far more devastating to the recipient than a bullet from an assault rifle.

 

Of course people are not ready for this yet but wait till all the repossessions and evictions start!

[karmaxxxx]

7 hours ago, TetraG said:

Excuse me riding high on veganism... (gets going at a pace you see) 

Now I just need to offer an extra bit of edit to that concerning around half my post that was with the intent of helping the oppressed generally... 

 

My edit (which I timed out for) goes now... 

 

" BUUUT WHEEEN does each person stop the insanity???? ...that is the burning and costly question.... The Earth is NOT sustainable by execessive meat consumptiom,  so why not try an alternative KNOWN to be factually proven/viable...

The Vegan Way...

(meat & dairy ARE superfluous arbitrary nonsense, and not required for human nutrition, and not counter to good health) "

 

 

Ok, I'm Done  (people can take it or leave it as ever, but some people may actually be needing to see what I wrote too) 

now I am actually half way to were you seem to be, I am not a great meat eater never have been, actually hated it as a child but was forced to eat it in the family set up.

I am actually withdrawing my diary use bit by bit. starting to use almond milk more another user on here gave me a big hand up with my eating habits @Messenger .

I also regularly fast 3-4 days just water or lemon, or apple cider vinegar in water nothing else. I will also do a detox that I use by Dr Hula Clarke . and believe me when you've done that the mental fog and any aches pains or whatever disappears and I feel rather lighter in my spiritual self and obviously body weight also.

now my question for you, do you feel lighter more mentally alert now that you eat healthier? or have you always had this outlook thank you in return for any reply.

[Weedo]

The Creator, First Mover, God, whatever you call our Maker, praying to this being is the only thing that really helps. In your own way, your own language, your own tradition, your own intelligence, your own direct connection to the initiator of time and space. 

[spideysensei]

41 minutes ago, Itsjaybigjay said:

Of course people are not ready for this yet but wait till all the repossessions and evictions start!

 

Everyone's ready for a holiday though. A holiday In Cambodia!

 

---

 

On a side note, i could smash a McD's burger every day and still be healthy. Balance is key, hold a burger in each hand while you eat.

[Macnamara]

1 hour ago, spideysensei said:

On a side note, i could smash a McD's burger every day and still be healthy. Balance is key, hold a burger in each hand while you eat.

 

if you were designing a meal for someone to give them optimum health you would not design a mcdonalds meal. The purpose of the meal is not to be nutritious. It is designed to be addictive

 

They can't make it so toxic that you will drop dead after eating a single mcdonalds because then people would say 'whoa hold on a minute that isn't food, that is a weapon'. But if you eat enough of it over time it will drive down your health

 

But it isn't just the mcdonalds, it is everything else they put in our environment. I work in various places and i take my own packed lunch but the times i haven't taken a lunch i often find myself looking about for somewhere to get some lunch and when you do that you find that the only thing offered to us in our allegedly advanced society is processed crap

 

They have edged out all of the real food.

 

Some people might call me a snob for having a go at mcdonalds but that's because they still perceive it to be harmless food. I don't perceive it that way. I see it as a weapon that when viewed in the totality of all the things we are being exposed to or offered by the corporate system is clearly, when seen all together, intended to drive down our health

 

Everything the corporations produce is designed to slow kill us. We are under attack but it is done in such a way that they maintain a plausible deniability. For example with these covid jabs they have an excuse: they will tell you that you need it to protect you from a deadly virus. But is that true or is that just how they want you to perceive it so that you don't realise that it is a weapon being used against you?

Edited June 24, 2021 by Macnamara

[spideysensei]

4 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

if you were designing a meal for someone to give them optimum health you would not design a mcdonalds meal.

 

That's actually a solid diet plan idea. I'm sure others have thought of it already.

Half joking here, though i will smash the odd burger. Yes they could improve their meat (organic and grass fed, i would willingly pay more for this), and the bread is shit (i'll go without when going full paleo), but with a nice bit of salad it's a fairly solid meal. I prefer home made burgers of course. I have a body designed to eat meat, so unless i can help it or Klaus Schwab has anything to do with it i won't be going veggie any time soon. 

 

4 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

Some people might call me a snob for having a go at mcdonalds but that's because they still perceive it to be harmless food. I don't perceive it that way. I see it as a weapon that when viewed in the totality of all the things we are being exposed to or offered by the corporate system is clearly, when seen all together, intended to drive down our health

 

Those who let it are the sorts who wear masks everywhere and don't see anything wrong with covid jabs. Sitting in a McDonald's, one might think of them as useless eaters there are others who can smash the odd burger without letting it dominate their diet.

 

[Macnamara]

13 minutes ago, spideysensei said:

 Sitting in a McDonald's, one might think of them as useless eaters there are others who can smash the odd burger without letting it dominate their diet.

 

the weaponisation of food and drink is only part of the problem

 

Its also how they drain your money into their coffers. If you weren't spending your money on mcdonalds and coca cola you would have to spend it on something else and that something else could then challenge the market dominance of the corporations and drain away their profits and prevent them from then bribing your politicians

 

All these mega-corporations are networked into a big club that is taking over everything and every pound you give them speeds that global takeover. They have become so powerful that they can spread the lie of a deadly virus across the world on their media, get their big pharma corporations to mass produce harmful jabs and then bribe the politicians into coercing swathes of the public into taking those jabs

Edited June 24, 2021 by Macnamara

[Guest Gone Fishing...]

18 minutes ago, spideysensei said:

but with a nice bit of salad it's a fairly solid meal.

No organic edible nutrition;
See the first part of this video...even mould and bacteria doesn't want it  :O(
 

 

[spideysensei]

@Macnamara i hear ya, i have reduced my spending there in the past 6 months and flagellated accordingly. 

 

1 minute ago, Basket Case said:

No organic edible nutrition;
See the first part of this video...even mould and bacteria doesn't want it  :O

 

 

OMG that hamster has a knife! WTF?!

 

There is at least some real beef in a McDonald's burger though? Don't tell me even that's a lie

[Macnamara]

12 minutes ago, spideysensei said:

@Macnamara i hear ya, i have reduced my spending there in the past 6 months and flagellated accordingly.

 

that's the spirit.....it will build will power

 

its all to do with mindset

 

if you look around you at all the corporate logos and products and think 'well that's just the way it is' then you will keep using all that stuff

 

But if you look around you at all that stuff and think 'holy cow they are waging a war against us on all fronts' then you will start to act differently

 

Here's another angle on top of the harmful products, monopolisation of the market place and political corruption: the corporations are all the big pushers of woke social engineering too

 

Its a war on all fronts and once you realise this you become so sickened with it that out of principle alone you start to avoid their products even if it means you have to walk further or drive further or spend a bit more money because you  make a conscious decision not to aid them in your own destruction

Edited June 24, 2021 by Macnamara

[Ethel]

21 minutes ago, Basket Case said:

No organic edible nutrition;
See the first part of this video...even mould and bacteria doesn't want it  :O(
 

 

 

That is so monumentally fucked up.