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5 minutes ago, Simple Actions said:

 

Fair point and i relate to that in many ways.

I see we are all here for one single reason or at least most of us.

These are heated times in all aspects.

We all are going through some sort of the same dilemma but with our own individual "signature" reactions.

Its already slightly frustrating the fact we don't actually know most of the people we interact in a forum...some we may have an idea of who they might be, but there's a good reason to keep privacy as main top priority.

We talk/chat with each other but only seeing Names, Pictures, Members and Moderators.

Also the task of a Moderator is also not an easy one.

As much as their honest opinion in Subjects might be craving to be shared in a post, they are withholding it order to keep watching over and keeping a balance within the posts.....it can get frustrating for them too as they watch over every single area of posts,  they have seen the same questions and opinions time and time again......but hey..

 

Perhaps a little break from this subject will be good for a few days?

Time to gather some unknown info to share about the subject in order to keep it fresh?

Good idea, yes

And i did take a bit of a look at what you guys were talking about and it was pretty good quality. I had to restrain myself from joining in

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5 minutes ago, Jikwan said:

Good idea, yes

And i did take a bit of a look at what you guys were talking about and it was pretty good quality. I had to restrain myself from joining in

 

I can say sometimes i may not come across clear enough on my posts as for opinions and etc.....because in my defense lol....English is not my native language and i am aware that sometimes i mess it up...

But im glad at least most of it is readable and understood ahhahaha

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Im asking the question 

Are the stars stationary and it is the earth that spins?

Or

Is the earth stationary and is it that the stars that move?

 

polaris-2-15-2013-Ken-Christison-NC-sq-e

 

Watch this decide for yourself

 

 

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10 hours ago, Jikwan said:

Im asking the question 

Are the stars stationary and it is the earth that spins?

Or

Is the earth stationary and is it that the stars that move?

 

 

You have to phrase the question differently. Why does everything seem like clockwork? Why is everything always the same? What is the reason? No matter how you look at it this is impossible.

Am I missing something? Could I bear something far more complex? Which is in contradiction to what I can perceive. I can't prove anything, I can't touch anything, and I can't study it from another point of view. 

Nothing makes sense no matter from which perspective humans study it. That all could be only tiny aspects of what Humans are allowed to see. You should consider that there is a more complex model that humans have not yet discovered. That everything has its place. The volume of the state is 99.99% unknown to humans. I can only tell you that everything is where it has to be and there it has always been. ;) Even the things that you can not see. There is certainly something that humans are not ready for. 

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9 hours ago, Origin said:

You have to phrase the question differently. Why does everything seem like clockwork? Why is everything always the same? What is the reason? No matter how you look at it this is impossible.

Am I missing something? Could I bear something far more complex? Which is in contradiction to what I can perceive. I can't prove anything, I can't touch anything, and I can't study it from another point of view. 

Nothing makes sense no matter from which perspective humans study it. That all could be only tiny aspects of what Humans are allowed to see. You should consider that there is a more complex model that humans have not yet discovered. That everything has its place. The volume of the state is 99.99% unknown to humans. I can only tell you that everything is where it has to be and there it has always been. ;) Even the things that you can not see. There is certainly something that humans are not ready for. 

I ll send you a PM

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9 hours ago, Origin said:

Why does everything seem like clockwork? Why is everything always the same? What is the reason? No matter how you look at it this is impossible.

Am I missing something?

 

Had to chime in on this rather amusing thread.

 

Go watch that video Jikwan posted and look at the stars rotating. In the North they follow an anti-clockwise path and the South they follow a clockwise path. Just like on a spinning Planet.

 

I eagerly await some sort of explanation for this.  Perhaps somebody could furnish us with the Flat Earth map and explain the dimensions of Australia or the distance to the Sun from the surface. Thanks to the flat earthers in advance for this important verified data.

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17 minutes ago, Mr Ed said:

 

Had to chime in on this rather amusing thread.

 

Go watch that video Jikwan posted and look at the stars rotating. In the North they follow an anti-clockwise path and the South they follow a clockwise path. Just like on a spinning Planet.

 

I eagerly await some sort of explanation for this.  Perhaps somebody could furnish us with the Flat Earth map and explain the dimensions of Australia or the distance to the Sun from the surface. Thanks to the flat earthers in advance for this important verified data.

Good questions, thanks for that. Might have to wait a bit for the answers. Im still just an amature

Im hoping a heavyweight flatearth invesigator will come to answer all our questions

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27 minutes ago, Jikwan said:

Good questions, thanks for that. Might have to wait a bit for the answers. Im still just an amature

Im hoping a heavyweight flatearth invesigator will come to answer all our questions

 

Hopefully such a person exists. In the meantime I would like to invalidate every single laser experiment ever provided by flat earth videos. Lasers do not travel in straight lines, they follow the path of variable density and often heat variations:

 

Feel free to flick straight to 3:50 

 

Refraction Explained with Lasers and Sugar - YouTube

 

It is fairly concisely proven that light clearly bends, even over short distances, so over many miles and provably variable surface pressure, so it does when viewing objects on or around the horizon.

 

I have another question for the "flatearth investigator" - could you fully explain how the sun sets and rises? It simply must be further away from the observer as it moves towards sunset, yet it always travels the same speed no matter where or when it is viewed from the surface. That is actually impossible since it must also have to travel faster as it moves away to account for the angular distance it covers - a figure that also never varies wherever and whenever the Sun is viewed.

 

Just that one impossible to dispute observation closes the case for a flat earth. There is no explanation apart from the spinning planet.

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22 hours ago, Mr Ed said:

 

Had to chime in on this rather amusing thread.

 

Go watch that video Jikwan posted and look at the stars rotating. In the North they follow an anti-clockwise path and the South they follow a clockwise path. Just like on a spinning Planet.

 

I eagerly await some sort of explanation for this.  Perhaps somebody could furnish us with the Flat Earth map and explain the dimensions of Australia or the distance to the Sun from the surface. Thanks to the flat earthers in advance for this important verified data.

 

In my first post on this thread I said that there was one argument of the ball earth theory that I couldn't explain. That's the one.

There might be more, but for now I can't remember any other ones that are this strong.

 

My brother-in-law sent me this video, and I spent a long time reading comments and looking for answers in search engines. I could not find a single one tbh. (I even searched the flat earth forums for answers, where all the heavy weight champions of the world should reside, and I'm just a guy who trained once or twice at a random flat earth gym)

 

 

 

Then I vaguely remember that MAYBE i researched this point when I was still interested in spending time and energy on this topic, and there is a vague memory of one explanation being the light effects of being inside a glass bowl, which at certain positions can cause all kind of reversal effects. I think that explanation was in the form of a video, where the guy demonstrated this in a basic experiment, but I couldn't find this video again. And there is a chance that I am mixing things up.

 

What I thought of myself, is that when we see the rims of a car rotate at a certain speed, it can appear to be going the opposite direction. So in theory, the people in the south are seeing the same effect, although I must be honest and say that even I think this theory is far fetched. Without knowing any science background or mathematical equations for this illusion, I would think that the rotation must be at least several times a second around its axis.

 

In my mind this point definitely tilts the balance of my cosmic belief towards the ball-earth theory side quite significantly, but it is still not heavier to me than the one in tune with most ancient cultures and religions of the world. After seeing this video my belief went from 90% sure to perhaps 70-80%. 

 

I also look forward to some champion talented Khabib Mohamed Ali to come along and explain this to all of us. Choke the argument, or knock it out, I don't care. But whoever manages to explain this thing, deserves a pat on his/her back, to say the very least. To me it's an excalibur situation, in need of flat earth Arthur to show up. Where are you?


 

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22 hours ago, Mr Ed said:

 

I have another question for the "flatearth investigator" - could you fully explain how the sun sets and rises? It simply must be further away from the observer as it moves towards sunset, yet it always travels the same speed no matter where or when it is viewed from the surface. That is actually impossible since it must also have to travel faster as it moves away to account for the angular distance it covers - a figure that also never varies wherever and whenever the Sun is viewed.

 

Just that one impossible to dispute observation closes the case for a flat earth. There is no explanation apart from the spinning planet.

hi, wait! doesn't the sun move faster, the closer it gets to the horizon? To me the speed was never constant. Is that the argument? When the sun is at the horizon, it moves so fast that one can see it move.

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3 hours ago, Weedo said:

hi, wait! doesn't the sun move faster, the closer it gets to the horizon? 

 

No. It travels 15 degrees of arc in 1 hour no matter where in the world, what time of year, what time of day. There are very tiny variations through a combination of reasons, but none that make any more than fractional changes.

 

3 hours ago, Weedo said:

To me the speed was never constant. Is that the argument? When the sun is at the horizon, it moves so fast that one can see it move.

 

It would have to travel faster to account for the same angular distance it covers. There is no flat Earth explanation for this, let alone the fact it never changes size and then suddenly disappears. Objects above eyeline can never be suddenly below it, it is a physical impossibility of perspective.

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12 minutes ago, Mr Ed said:

 

No. It travels 15 degrees of arc in 1 hour no matter where in the world, what time of year, what time of day. There are very tiny variations through a combination of reasons, but none that make any more than fractional changes.

 

 

It would have to travel faster to account for the same angular distance it covers. There is no flat Earth explanation for this, let alone the fact it never changes size and then suddenly disappears. Objects above eyeline can never be suddenly below it, it is a physical impossibility of perspective.

That's too complicated for me to understand. But I acknowledge of course that you could be right, and hopefully it does not offend you that I don't blindly trust you in this. I'm waiting for the idiot proof stuff like a building 7. 

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In my world the earth is flat & nobody is going to convince me otherwise.

We have more concerning issues so this is my last post on the subject.

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https://9gag.com/gag/a7Mxmez

 

If you look at the 1st image you find is longest line of sight ever photographed

The mountain in question is marked with an arrow

Just zoom the picture a little you can see the outline

Its 275 miles away

That mountain should not be seen. It should be more than 10 miles sunk/dropped/descended from view according to curveture calculators

 

This was all the proof i needed

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4 hours ago, Jikwan said:

https://9gag.com/gag/a7Mxmez

 

If you look at the 1st image you find is longest line of sight ever photographed

The mountain in question is marked with an arrow

Just zoom the picture a little you can see the outline

Its 275 miles away

 

 

This is unverified, but I shall take their word for it.

 

4 hours ago, Jikwan said:

That mountain should not be seen. It should be more than 10 miles sunk/dropped/descended from view according to curveture calculators

 

Calculations which you haven't provided.

 

You also made no comment on my video above showing how light bends around curved surfaces due to density/pressure/heat. Refraction is a proven effect of light.  The question is, is this a reasonable level.

 

Source elevation for de Finistrelles in the Pyrenees is 2,826 metres.

Target elevation for Gaspard in the Alps 3,883 metres.

Distance to target is assumed accurate at 443km.

Pic de Finestrelles - Wikipedia

Pic Gaspard - Wikipedia

 

I'm using a very accurate curvature website that incorporates both negative and positive refraction:

Advanced Earth Curvature Calculator (bislins.ch)

 

Using the "Basics" setting with medium refraction k of 0.2 and a refraction angle of 0.4 degrees and also plugging in the heights and distances above:

 

calc1.png 

 

 calc2.png

 

Quite clearly with just a small average refraction 557m of the mountain is above the horizon. Further to this, no account is being made for any high temperature inversion which could increase the visible area.

 

4 hours ago, Jikwan said:

This was all the proof i needed

 

Well I just disproved your proof, so hopefully your conviction about the Earth being flat and millions lying about it is not so strong. Please tell me your thoughts on this.

 

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typo - changed "positive curvature" for "positive refraction"
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On 6/22/2021 at 10:13 PM, Jikwan said:

To start with i used to be extremely skeptical about flat earth theory. 

After some research i dont have too many doubts left. Id say im 90% convinced flat earth is real

The great mafia is worried how much srrious attention this concept is getting and is sending the some paid shills to agressively spoil/derail/insult decent discussion on this subject. Their aim is to get the thread locked as soon as possible

There needs to be a thread on it that must be seriously moderated

Hi Jikwan,

 

If I may ask, what is your view of universe, stars, other galaxies etc.?

 

Most FE believers that I have spoken with seem to believe that the Earth is all there is, there is nothing else in creation, and stars and other planets are just decorations on the "ceiling".

 

Now, just to be clear, I don't believe that the Earth is flat. But I also don't believe in many mainstream "facts" about Earth either. I've looked at all the evidence presented both for round and flat earth, and I'm leaning toward round, mostly because every ancient civilisation, besided modern science, goes with the round idea.

 

Thanks..

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2 hours ago, XelNaga said:

Hi Jikwan,

 

If I may ask, what is your view of universe, stars, other galaxies etc.?

 

Most FE believers that I have spoken with seem to believe that the Earth is all there is, there is nothing else in creation, and stars and other planets are just decorations on the "ceiling".

 

Now, just to be clear, I don't believe that the Earth is flat. But I also don't believe in many mainstream "facts" about Earth either. I've looked at all the evidence presented both for round and flat earth, and I'm leaning toward round, mostly because every ancient civilisation, besided modern science, goes with the round idea.

 

Thanks..

Hey X

Welcome to the thread

NASA has been proven countless times to be liars and photos of stars galaxies and even this "planet" are all computer generated images IMO

you said all of ancient civilizations all believed in globe earth? Not according to my studies they didnt

They all of them believed in flat earth

If you want to understand flatearth/space etc you must study a lot. Theres many excellent videos and texts on these subjects presented well by specialists. Viewing them once is not enough. Have to view the same subjects over and over like im doing and like every other flatearth enthusiast have done

We have been decieved since birth

 

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43 minutes ago, Jikwan said:

Hey X

Welcome to the thread

NASA has been proven countless times to be liars and photos of stars galaxies and even this "planet" are all computer generated images IMO

you said all of ancient civilizations all believed in globe earth? Not according to my studies they didnt

They all of them believed in flat earth

If you want to understand flatearth/space etc you must study a lot. Theres many excellent videos and texts on these subjects presented well by specialists. Viewing them once is not enough. Have to view the same subjects over and over like im doing and like every other flatearth enthusiast have done

We have been decieved since birth

 

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Well, thank you for this picture, it has got me thinking. I have to do some more research now.

 

What I said about ancient civilisations was more based on texts, they all spoke of stars and other planets as real things.

 

Tell me, please, what is your personal opinion about this, is Earth all there is, or do you think there are other things out there? Or is there "out there" at all?

 

Thanks..

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@JikwanRegarding the title of this thread, I am not aware of any extreme hostility shown to flat earth believers. But I can certainly see why there could be some frustration. I have made 3 very big posts on this thread.

 

On the first one you were unable to answer a very fundamental observation, you ignored a very significant video in my second and my third post - which shows your claim to be completely wrong - you have also evaded completely.

 

I would be very grateful if you started responding in good faith to genuine debate points, because to me you are a believer in something that is unsupportable even at basic level.

 

You cannot provide a map that explains the sizes and distances of countries, particularly Southern Hemisphere.

You cannot supply the distance to the Sun and Moon because trigonometry will make a mockery of any claim.

There is no explanation for revolving star fields.

 

Indeed, the stars rotate anti-clockwise in the Northern Hemisphere, At the equator the stars simply move in the same direction as the Sun and rotate clockwise in the South. Explained perfectly by the spinning planet, no possible explanation exists for flat earth claims.

 

The Motion of the Sky at Different Latitudes (cseligman.com)

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On 7/7/2021 at 4:53 PM, Mr Ed said:

Regarding the title of this thread, I am not aware of any extreme hostility shown to flat earth believers. But I can certainly see why there could be some frustration. I have made 3 very big posts on this thread.

Exactly, but in your case you have only had 5 min of it.

Their debating style is brilliant , ignore all the points made by the opposition and answer nothing, fill the thread with non relative crap and sarcasm so the thread goes round and round , the opposition gives up out of frustration then they come out of the wood work and talk shit amongst themselves as to how cleaver they are and how they're doing their own research  ,which is exactly what happened in the first thread in my opinion.

I asked 3 simple questions all ignored

1 explain day and night  in a FE

2 explain the seasons

3 explain  eclipses

If they even explained night and day I would be prepared to listen

 

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I enjoy entertaining the theory without subscribing to it.  FE doesn't really explain much, it's a dead end at 'God did it'. The dome is God's petri dish meant to keep you in, but you're not meant to see it...unless you have ...erm, boats to get there or something? In which case, mystery solved, you're some kind of lab experiment.  But 'God' is not incompatible with a Universe model either. There's a middle ground between: FE human centric (everything made for us), and Universe centric (humans insignificant). 

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On 7/7/2021 at 2:18 AM, XelNaga said:

Well, thank you for this picture, it has got me thinking. I have to do some more research now.

 

What I said about ancient civilisations was more based on texts, they all spoke of stars and other planets as real things.

 

Tell me, please, what is your personal opinion about this, is Earth all there is, or do you think there are other things out there? Or is there "out there" at all?

 

Thanks..

I got a radical view about the earth at the moment

If whoever built the great water dome surrounded by a manufactured sun and moon complete with twinkling lights......if they could build all that....they could have built the flat earth too

For advanced civilizations it wouldnt be too difficult

A few million sq miles of flatish plane

The depth maybe just a few hundred miles. 200 miles enogh i think

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