What Is The Form Of This 'Place' We Find Our Awareness In?

[Guest]

Space & Universe or Nature of Reality?

 

I thought here as this thread will (more than likely) focus on the ideas of the physical form of the 'world' we perceive as reality!

 

This will be a heavily moderated thread.

ANY ridicule or posts intended to elicit a negative reaction or create/start an argument .... will be removed. 

 

In here (which I take responsibility for) .... any member with over 50 posts on the forum can discuss the ideas they consider correct about the physical form of this 'place' .... Any member with less than 50 posts on the forum will have the posts removed.

 

Whatever 'shape' you consider correct is fine BUT .... YOU must answer any questions and questions are NOT answered by videos. (your own words are needed).

 

I will construct my current thoughts and post them .... I will NOT favour my views as I don't even want you to believe me as then it makes your life my responsibility!

 

An actual discussion please?

 

Note .... If any member with less than 50 posts currently on the forum wishes to post in this thread then please PM me .... and we will chat about why you should.

[Guest]

20 hours ago, ink said:

I will construct my current thoughts and post them

 

Upon considering how to structure my current belief of the form of this 'place' into a short paragraph ....... I came to the conclusion that a question better defines my experiences .... Accepting that an individual is bigger on the 'inside' than all of that which is external of them ....

 

What shape limits individual creation?

[peter]

If you subscribe to the work and theories of Nassim Haramein that shape would be a tetrahedron embedded in a 64 tetrahedron grid  which is the only geometric construct to be in absolute equilibrium, meaning that a given force will have the same effect on that object from any vector

 

It's been quite a while since I've looked at this stuff so please don't ask me why a sphere doesn't fit the bill, but I think it is something to do with the gaps between them when they are stacked

 

Just as a side note quite a while ago I read a paper where two scientists came out and said that water not only behaves like a standard liquid but also appears to contain the geometric shapes of tetrahedrons which I thought was interesting given Haramien's work, also water as a substance has a negative coefficient of expansion which in itself is rather puzzling 

Edited June 9, 2021 by peter

[Michael]

Here are my humble thoughts on the matter of reality as a whole

 

Non-seperation/Non-duality :

To our minds the world as such is always experienced as a playground of different forms.

This is me and there, out there is everything else

On that basis, experiences are made

But it is a flawed outlook on whats really going on.

 

If we take the example of an Apple Tree, our minds immediatly conclude: Thats a tree and it obiously has a different form than its sorrundings. It clearly is seperated from the rest.

However if we then understand that this "tree" as we call it soly exists because there is some thing called water, we also understand that without water, no tree.

So can we really seperate the two? We really cant.

Where does the water come from?

Where does the heat and the light come from the "tree" needs to grow, or exist as such.

We will find that no matter what i hold as a seperate event or object, is in reality always the totality of everything.

We cannot even speak of two events. Its always the one.

 

Another example:

If we take a picture with all sorts of colours in it and think this is black, this is red and so on, we might think each is kind of seperated of the rest. But each colour contributs to the picture itself.

So the process of "creating" is not found in the past, it is found in each and every moment and always is from the "One".

 

This is all in regards what we hold as the world, which is basically always God, self, Bhudda or whatever one might want to call it.

 

When it comes to the mind it gets intresting, as the mind is the creator of this and that. The creator of the seemingly seperated world that what you call yourself live in.

It is not questioned what this thing is what i call "person" or "myself", its soly guessed, its a body and a mind that walks arround in a world out there.

Each and every night we experience the non-existence of a world and what i call "me". When we wake up, we have no memory about our deep sleep and for good reason. There is nothing to remember about as nothing (no-thing) existed at that time and place. Nevertheless it still happend and you still woke up the next morning.

That means that in that time of deep sleep you still existed, but not as a form or memory or story or whatever. It was just "being" itself without any thought.

This is the natural state that is even at the present in this moment, it is just not realized because thoughts overcloud it. But it is there, in the background, always at the present.

Thats the you, the one we are talking about.

The totality of everything.

 

[peter]

On 6/9/2021 at 10:57 PM, ink said:

Upon considering how to structure my current belief of the form of this 'place' into a short paragraph ....... I came to the conclusion that a question better defines my experiences .... Accepting that an individual is bigger on the 'inside' than all of that which is external of them ....

 

What shape limits individual creation?

The question about the shape is very interesting in itself, however the statement above I find the most fascinating of all ( which I agree with by the way )  because it brings into question subatomic particles, singularities( with regards to infinite information within a finite boundary ) ,Plank distance ratios of subatomic particles between their surface area  and interior volume and the illusion of movement itself .

Great question by the way

[Diesel]

We live in a fallen reality, a type of hell. Everything decays here, even fresh water turns stagnant and you are guaranteed in life if you live long enough to loose all the things you love. Everything in this existence is hungry and hunger is the true root of evil. 

[CosmoGenesis]

A womb!

[Nobby Noboddy]

Nah, not really (In general).

 

Whatever attractive theory we are attracted to is only theory.

 

I might like to believe in sub-atomic theory, or string theory, infinite vibrations or any number of theories for an explanation of existence, and don't think I'm preaching because I'll believe anything!

 

What I ACTUALLY experience is pretty well just being here and seeing and interacting with what is around me.

 

I cannot perceive or experience those weird and wonderful realities directly, only what I see, hear and feel.

 

I can imagine them and even make that somewhat real to myself - momentarily.

 

I think things are fundamentally much more simple.

 

We are created beings in a consciously and elegantly perfect weave of material reality - creation.

 

Our job is to nurture, love and develop the world given to us.

 

However, Huston, we have a problem.

[Diesel]

1 hour ago, CosmoGenesis said:

A womb!

This reminds me of the egg by andy weir

 

 

[Morpheus]

On 6/10/2021 at 10:46 AM, Michael said:

Here are my humble thoughts on the matter of reality as a whole

 

Non-seperation/Non-duality :

To our minds the world as such is always experienced as a playground of different forms.

This is me and there, out there is everything else

On that basis, experiences are made

But it is a flawed outlook on whats really going on.

 

If we take the example of an Apple Tree, our minds immediatly conclude: Thats a tree and it obiously has a different form than its sorrundings. It clearly is seperated from the rest.

However if we then understand that this "tree" as we call it soly exists because there is some thing called water, we also understand that without water, no tree.

So can we really seperate the two? We really cant.

Where does the water come from?

Where does the heat and the light come from the "tree" needs to grow, or exist as such.

We will find that no matter what i hold as a seperate event or object, is in reality always the totality of everything.

We cannot even speak of two events. Its always the one.

 

Another example:

If we take a picture with all sorts of colours in it and think this is black, this is red and so on, we might think each is kind of seperated of the rest. But each colour contributs to the picture itself.

So the process of "creating" is not found in the past, it is found in each and every moment and always is from the "One".

 

This is all in regards what we hold as the world, which is basically always God, self, Bhudda or whatever one might want to call it.

 

When it comes to the mind it gets intresting, as the mind is the creator of this and that. The creator of the seemingly seperated world that what you call yourself live in.

It is not questioned what this thing is what i call "person" or "myself", its soly guessed, its a body and a mind that walks arround in a world out there.

Each and every night we experience the non-existence of a world and what i call "me". When we wake up, we have no memory about our deep sleep and for good reason. There is nothing to remember about as nothing (no-thing) existed at that time and place. Nevertheless it still happend and you still woke up the next morning.

That means that in that time of deep sleep you still existed, but not as a form or memory or story or whatever. It was just "being" itself without any thought.

This is the natural state that is even at the present in this moment, it is just not realized because thoughts overcloud it. But it is there, in the background, always at the present.

Thats the you, the one we are talking about.

The totality of everything.

 

It's called solipcism and to be honest, I don't agree with such an ideology. I think it's dangerous and disconnects from the universe as a whole. Not for me thanks. 

[Morpheus]

What is this place? Who knows, it's hard to describe, but what I see, hear and feel is the opposite of what I am told. Our ancestors knew what this place was but they're classed as under developed and any progression by man thereafter is greater than what it has proceeded. But is that necessarily true?

 

When we look at old buildings and I mean really old buildings and the explanations given, something doesn't add up. The craftsmanship and intricacies in these buildings is not recreated today, why? Why is our current architecture so underdeveloped in comparison? Materials are way different and in actuality, we simply cannot create what was done before. Why?

 

I might be veering off a tad here, but my point is whatever we've been told this place is, is completely different to what we experience physically. So I think the bigger question is, why in this so called modern age are we still asking this question? Why do we still have questions and limited answers? 

 

Sorry if I've interpreted the initial post but I assume this is what you're asking.

Edited June 18, 2021 by Morpheus

[Michael]

7 hours ago, Morpheus said:

It's called solipcism and to be honest, I don't agree with such an ideology. I think it's dangerous and disconnects from the universe as a whole. Not for me thanks. 

 

Solipcism:

the view or theory that the self is all that can be known to exist.

• the quality of being self-centred or selfish.

   

  Its actually the opposite. It means to get rid of the ego as the ego is the cause for all the troubles.

  Its a teaching you find in Zen-Bhuddism or Hinduism. It is the opposite of disconnection.

Edited June 18, 2021 by Michael

[Morpheus]

2 hours ago, Michael said:

 

Solipcism:

the view or theory that the self is all that can be known to exist.

• the quality of being self-centred or selfish.

   

  Its actually the opposite. It means to get rid of the ego as the ego is the cause for all the troubles.

  Its a teaching you find in Zen-Bhuddism or Hinduism. It is the opposite of disconnection.

It's not how I interpreted it initially, however, thanks for further explaining your post the me and I'm glad you don't believe in such an ideology. I totally agree with about the egocentric world we live in.

[Michael]

39 minutes ago, Morpheus said:

It's not how I interpreted it initially, however, thanks for further explaining your post the me and I'm glad you don't believe in such an ideology. I totally agree with about the egocentric world we live in.

Its allright, happens to all of us :-)

[Pina Colada]

On 6/9/2021 at 1:57 PM, ink said:

What shape limits individual creation?

 

I've always thought in terms of our consciousness/ DNA being limited by design, a sort of inbuilt ring-pass-not. Trapping us into limiting experiences.

 

So thinking about sacred geometry, how it's linked to consciousness and DNA, platonic solids and the star tetrahedron, flower of life, and transcendental numbers (e function and pi).

 

Crystals too.

 

I put a piece of azeztulite crystal, a type of quartz, on my 3rd eye once and had an experience like a near death experience, felt like I was travelling through hyperspace, but then only landed just outside my physical body. I don't know why I did it.

 

(Look it up and that's what it does!)

 

In terms of chakras, the base chakra is represented by the cube, also used to represent satanism.

 

I would say being stuck in base chakra issues (survival, fear) is the most limiting state, so therefore the cube.

 

But maybe I've misinterpreted entirely your question?

 

Just some random thoughts.

 

 

[Morpheus]

I think we should all take note of Nikola Tesla's comments:

 

"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration.”

 

My understanding of this realm is that it is a toroidal field. The explanation provided for a toroidal field is based on a spherical model. However, I present this image to turn that on it's head.

 

As we see in the first picture we have a central point to which the magnetic field is produced. From what I have read, this is produced in the north pole and is what produces earth's electro magnetism. 

 

This makes sense when we consider what Tesla says, but also how the human body works with its own toroidal field produced by the human heart and presented by the next picture. 

 

I appreciate some people may find that hard to believe, but our core is at the north pole, not the never proven earth's core. 

 

Before any wants to dispute that, please bear in mind that humans have only ever dug down as far as 7.67 miles and yet we are told the core is 1802 miles. 

Edited June 23, 2021 by Morpheus

[Pina Colada]

The question, "What is the shape of this reality" really blew my mind and I had to sit on it for days, and what came to mind was Michael Tellinger's work, and his Torus stones found in Africa, similar to what Morpheus is saying above.

 

https://michaeltellinger.com/testing-the-torus-stones-cone-tools/

 

Also coincidentally this dropped into my email today:

 

https://www.nexusnewsfeed.com/article/science-futures/world-s-most-powerful-magnet-to-be-shipped-to-france-for-nuclear-fusion-experiment/

 

A magnet that creates the donut shaped energy field that Michael Tellinger talks about.

 

http://in5d.com/this-is-how-humans-are-energy-conductors-for-the-anunnaki/

 

 

 

 

[Origin]

You are in what can only be defined as the highest perfection. It can only be decoded if certain conditions are met. You cannot go the way that humans dictate. You will then be able to understand when you have left behind the knowledge of humans as illusion. Everything will rearrange itself and you will perceive something you never expected. Answers will fit in where it is demonstrated. You will know what reality is. This includes all the fundamental questions that have ever been asked. The form is infinite and it is One. It is always the same. Earth has no beginning and Earth is everywhere. A human sees 0.0000000x% of it. And it might be possible for a human to do something similar to Movie Contact except that you never have to leave your location because everything is already here. Earth has no void and infinite compactness exists. Reality is certainly something very significant.

[atenea]

On 6/10/2021 at 9:31 PM, Diesel said:

We live in a fallen reality, a type of hell. Everything decays here, even fresh water turns stagnant and you are guaranteed in life if you live long enough to loose all the things you love. Everything in this existence is hungry and hunger is the true root of evil. 

We are hungry - literally and figuratively - because we are deceived by the senses (lust, wants... all to feed the ego). We don't need to eat. Breath, Movement, Sun, harmony with Nature and with others is what's needed. And a few fruits and veggies if you push me. The more we fill ourselves with from the external, the quicker we accelerate our death.

[Ethel]

My take:

 

It is a holographic reality, created by the mind. In this sense there are only two things which actually 'exist': mind and awareness. 

 

Awareness = God = Infinite love

 

This earth has no 'shape' because it is a hologram.

 

I am moderately well read on these subjects. As far as I can gather, Earth was intended to be a kind of training school designed to facilitate expansion of consciousness. However, the Angels whom designed it ostensibly did not consider the possibility that a small, select group of individuals sought to hijack the rest of humanity and divert them from the path of expansion of consciousness. Thus, human evolution has slowed down to a mere trickle, when it was intended to be swift and perpetual. 

 

Earth and third dimensional energy is the densest, heaviest energy there is. This was a side-effect of creating this physical hologram. Also, the angels who designed it (whom we are all descended from) did not forsee that we would be the furthest away from source consciousness that a soul can get, which is why all of us suffer loneliness, to varying degrees. This feeling of separation is referred to colloquially as "The Fall".

 

The phenomenon of reincarnation almost certainly has to be some kind of trap. If you listen to virtually every perspective on the subject ever, they all have the tone of souls being sternly persuaded/manipulated/bullied into coming back thousands, if not millions of times, which just happens to produce huge amounts of suffering on an endless basis. I hardly think that's "just a coincidence". 

 

Either way, unless you have a strongly masochistic streak, it's probably best to make the decision that you are never coming back, and that you will continue your soul's evolution in a place which isn't run by psychopaths, for morons.

Edited November 23, 2021 by Ethel
adding something

[Mitochondrial Eve]

1 hour ago, Ethel said:

My take:

 

It is a holographic reality, created by the mind. In this sense there are only two things which actually 'exist': mind and awareness. 

 

Awareness = God = Infinite love

 

This earth has no 'shape' because it is a hologram.

 

I am moderately well read on these subjects. As far as I can gather, Earth was intended to be a kind of training school designed to facilitate expansion of consciousness. However, the Angels whom designed it ostensibly did not consider the possibility that a small, select group of individuals sought to hijack the rest of humanity and divert them from the path of expansion of consciousness. Thus, human evolution has slowed down to a mere trickle, when it was intended to be swift and perpetual. 

 

Earth and third dimensional energy is the densest, heaviest energy there is. This was a side-effect of creating this physical hologram. Also, the angels who designed it (whom we are all descended from) did not forsee that we would be the furthest away from source consciousness that a soul can get, which is why all of us suffer loneliness, to varying degrees. This feeling of separation is referred to colloquially as "The Fall".

 

The phenomenon of reincarnation almost certainly has to be some kind of trap. If you listen to virtually every perspective on the subject ever, they all have the tone of souls being sternly persuaded/manipulated/bullied into coming back thousands, if not millions of times, which just happens to produce huge amounts of suffering on an endless basis. I hardly think that's "just a coincidence". 

 

Either way, unless you have a strongly masochistic streak, it's probably best to make the decision that you are never coming back, and that you will continue your soul's evolution in a place which isn't run by psychopaths, for morons.

 

Not too long ago, I finished reading Neil Hague's book 'Orion's Door'. For those not aware of who he is, Neil Hague is David Icke's illustrator and I think influences much of David Icke's work. He is a great believer in the Holographic Universe theory and is exceptionally knowledgable of symbology and mythology.

 

Hague examines the teachings from various belief systems - including that of the Native Americans, Aboriginals, Egyptians, ancient Mesopotamians (Sumer / Akkad / Babylon), along with understanding drawn from Gnosticism, the Bible, ancient Greek and Roman Paganism, the Hermetic Qabalah and Alchemical and other occult teachings. He explores connections within these traditions to Orion.

 

An idea he puts forth which really struck me is that of the central hermetic principle of "as above, so below" - the macrocosm being reflected in the microcosm and vice versa - sharing the same quality as a hologram. If a hologram of an image is cut in half and then illuminated by a laser, each half will still be found to contain the entire original image. When divided even further, each snippet of film will always be found to contain a smaller but intact version of the original image.

 

It seems that there is a common "blueprint" among the teachings of a central source of light which emanates out and ultimately forms our reality as we perceive it. And Hague believes that the Orion nebula, a nursery for stars, is the source of the projection of this holographic light.

[Macnamara]

On 6/18/2021 at 10:12 AM, Morpheus said:

When we look at old buildings and I mean really old buildings and the explanations given, something doesn't add up. The craftsmanship and intricacies in these buildings is not recreated today, why? Why is our current architecture so underdeveloped in comparison? Materials are way different and in actuality, we simply cannot create what was done before. Why?

 

I think it is to do with frequency. So you give the example of the incredible architectural work of the past as an example of the difference between then and now but consider another form of human achievement which is survival itself. In the modern society we tend to look down on people who live in the wild as primitives and yet if you took a bunch of people from a city and dumped them in a jungle they likely would not survive for very long because they lack the tenacity, knowledge, mindset and skill sets to survive in the wild

 

Yet in some cases their ancestors were living outwith a civilised context not that long ago and were able to survive. How do people do seemingly impossible things? I think its because people are on different frequencies. Their bodies have changed, their minds have changed and their consciousness has changed.

 

Change the frequency and change the behaviour. I feel this strongly in this current age as humanity is splitting into two with some people wanting to take covid jabs and likely they will be the same people to embrace the smart grid and the metaverse and transhumanism and then there are other people who are on a completely different frequency who do not want the jabs and some of those people want to re-engage with this reality and form a stronger bond with wider nature

 

Everything in civilisation from the drugs it offers, to the media it offers, to the education it offers , to much of the technology it offers, to the music it offers is all about entraining you to their frequency and the more harmonious you become to that frequency the more removed you will become from the people who came before and the more disconnected you will become from wider nature and the more synthetic and machine like you will become

Edited November 23, 2021 by Macnamara

[KingKitty]

I don't believe there is a "form" to our awareness. As "spirits in the material world", we tend to think in a material way, in a physical way. We become attached to the material world, attached to our own physical beings. A big part of our fear of death/dying is letting go of this biological transport device in which we reside. 

 

I believe our "awareness", our consciousness, is our soul. If so, then the "shape of our awareness" would be infinite. As Morpheus pointed out the famous Tesla quote: "If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration.” We are indeed a form of energy with a frequency and vibration. Though our biological, physical structures do produce energy, I am not referring to that form of energy. It's our spiritual energy and it's frequency/vibration. Our true selves, our spiritual selves, are greater than any perceived shape or form.

 

 

[Ethel]

17 hours ago, Mitochondrial Eve said:

 

Not too long ago, I finished reading Neil Hague's book 'Orion's Door'. For those not aware of who he is, Neil Hague is David Icke's illustrator and I think influences much of David Icke's work. He is a great believer in the Holographic Universe theory and is exceptionally knowledgable of symbology and mythology.

 

Hague examines the teachings from various belief systems - including that of the Native Americans, Aboriginals, Egyptians, ancient Mesopotamians (Sumer / Akkad / Babylon), along with understanding drawn from Gnosticism, the Bible, ancient Greek and Roman Paganism, the Hermetic Qabalah and Alchemical and other occult teachings. He explores connections within these traditions to Orion.

 

An idea he puts forth which really struck me is that of the central hermetic principle of "as above, so below" - the macrocosm being reflected in the microcosm and vice versa - sharing the same quality as a hologram. If a hologram of an image is cut in half and then illuminated by a laser, each half will still be found to contain the entire original image. When divided even further, each snippet of film will always be found to contain a smaller but intact version of the original image.

 

It seems that there is a common "blueprint" among the teachings of a central source of light which emanates out and ultimately forms our reality as we perceive it. And Hague believes that the Orion nebula, a nursery for stars, is the source of the projection of this holographic light.

 

Sounds interesting, I will look that book up.

[Mr H]

In my experience everything is formless - there are no things, only the knowing of things. Or to be more precise. Only knowing.