David Icke's claim that 'there is no virus'?

[spideysensei]

22 minutes ago, Captainlove said:

Long covid is post viral fatigue,Chronic fatigue or even ME. Its not new been around for years.

 

Possibly, i need to ask further questions about said family member. If it did come from nowhere with him having no prior symptoms or related afflictions,  it's an indication that something new has hit him. Quite possibly just one of the unlucky ones. Well, not the truly unlucky (0.04% or whatever), but the 1 in 100 or so that have nasty symptoms. 

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56 minutes ago, spideysensei said:

 

Possibly, i need to ask further questions about said family member. If it did come from nowhere with him having no prior symptoms or related afflictions,  it's an indication that something new has hit him. Quite possibly just one of the unlucky ones. Well, not the truly unlucky (0.04% or whatever), but the 1 in 100 or so that have nasty symptoms. 

Did your family member wear a mask often ?
 

[Beaujangles]

On 6/22/2021 at 5:35 AM, GeoffB said:

In a civilized society death rates fall each year as the country improves it's wealth and health.

If you are admitting that deaths have shot up to levels not seen for 20 years something drastic must have happened.

All I’m trying to show is that the excess deaths are caused by SARS-CoV-2.
So many people on here are convinced that this virus and all other viruses do not exist which is a very fringe view.
The excess deaths were caused by something so why not a manufactured virus as a bioweapon and vaccines which can also be used as a bioweapon?
My own personal view is that the virus was probably created by the US and released in China to disrupt their economy but the US didn’t expect it to end up worldwide, this is the Chinese governments view also.
Therefore excess deaths in the UK is an indication of the existence of the virus which is not particularly deadly but the manufactured fear has been used to bring in draconian measures of control.
What do you think caused the excess deaths mentioned in the BBC article which quotes ONS figures if it wasn't down to the virus?

 

You keep trying to sell your opinion... but when you call peoples posts rubbish and yours is clearly total trash, then I have to respond. Death rates do not fall each year due to improved wealth and health... thats ridiculous. Until they find or should I say reveal the cure for cancer ...people will continue to die from it. Same with respiratory illnesses... same for extreme age related conditions...and so on. You want to believe in your presumed bio weapon but in truth it has no foundation insofar as this joke of a 'virus'. However, the 'vaxxx' is being injected directly into people and has not been proven to be safe as still in trial. It should come as no surprise that there are casualties of this injected filth. There are more casualties with it than with the enigmatic covid and its various mutations that appear to be equally elusive both to isolation ...and any symptoms of their own. Draconian measures of control do not need a preceding 'virus' to announce arrival....somehow dictators get put into positions of assumed power based on who they know and who is funding!  You are looking for approval of your views and unfortunately I think you have come to the wrong place - try asking a three-mask wearing, double jabbed, well sanitized pedestrian on the street... they may appease you.

[Beaujangles]

On 6/21/2021 at 3:15 PM, GeoffB said:

According to figures from the ONS "The Covid pandemic has caused excess deaths to rise to their highest level in the UK since World War Two."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55631693

 

Does that include the claimed six million jews? (Not meaning to sound facetious.... but were there six million jews in the region?....and how many Jehovahs? catholics? and homosexuals? and cripples?  went to the gas chambers?) If the covid plannedemic has superceded that lot then there must be mountains of bodies being hidden somewhere.  My mom died last year and the cemetery she is in ( IN UK) has seen 6 burials in the past year... the tarmac is not wearing down on the driveway in there thats for sure. 

Edited June 23, 2021 by Beaujangles

[Beaujangles]

1 hour ago, spideysensei said:

 

Possibly, i need to ask further questions about said family member. If it did come from nowhere with him having no prior symptoms or related afflictions,  it's an indication that something new has hit him. Quite possibly just one of the unlucky ones. Well, not the truly unlucky (0.04% or whatever), but the 1 in 100 or so that have nasty symptoms. 

 

I used to work on a heart and lung ward... and nasty symptoms is an understatement. Respiratory disease is no laughing matter. But this has been the case since the beginning of time. My cousin died of sepsis from an initially MILD respiratory condition in 2018. If you had seen what Ive seen over the years you would know that 'covid' is a myth.

[blowonthepie]

5 hours ago, Beaujangles said:

 

You keep trying to sell your opinion... but when you call peoples posts rubbish and yours is clearly total trash, then I have to respond. Death rates do not fall each year due to improved wealth and health... thats ridiculous. Until they find or should I say reveal the cure for cancer ...people will continue to die from it. Same with respiratory illnesses... same for extreme age related conditions...and so on. You want to believe in your presumed bio weapon but in truth it has no foundation insofar as this joke of a 'virus'. However, the 'vaxxx' is being injected directly into people and has not been proven to be safe as still in trial. It should come as no surprise that there are casualties of this injected filth. There are more casualties with it than with the enigmatic covid and its various mutations that appear to be equally elusive both to isolation ...and any symptoms of their own. Draconian measures of control do not need a preceding 'virus' to announce arrival....somehow dictators get put into positions of assumed power based on who they know and who is funding!  You are looking for approval of your views and unfortunately I think you have come to the wrong place - try asking a three-mask wearing, double jabbed, well sanitized pedestrian on the street... they may appease you.

 

Out of likes; great response.

[blowonthepie]

4 hours ago, Beaujangles said:

 

I used to work on a heart and lung ward... and nasty symptoms is an understatement. Respiratory disease is no laughing matter. But this has been the case since the beginning of time. My cousin died of sepsis from an initially MILD respiratory condition in 2018. If you had seen what Ive seen over the years you would know that 'covid' is a myth.

 

And again

[Thoth001]

On 6/21/2021 at 2:15 PM, GeoffB said:

According to figures from the ONS "The Covid pandemic has caused excess deaths to rise to their highest level in the UK since World War Two."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55631693

 

Latest Data Shows No Excess All Causes Deaths Globally In 2020

 

Despite COVID getting the greatest media attention of any event since World War II, the latest data from a respected statistics website shows that, globally, the number of deaths from all causes for 2020 was no higher than expected, given previous years’ totals.

 

In addition, the annual world death rate per one thousand in population has been steadily declining since 1950, from 20 per thousand in 1950, to 7.6 per thousand in 2020, the same as in 2019 and 2018. The data was captured by the web archive Web.Archive.org. Because it is now six months into 2021, the data reflects late-arriving data.

 

The data shows that total world deaths from all causes held steady at about 58.8 million per year since 2019. In 2017 the total was 58.7 million. If anything, global deaths were lower than expected last year, due to aging Baby Boomer demographics, which accounts for a slight, normal rise in deaths in most years.

In global terms, if excess deaths are the criteria, there was no pandemic.

 

That is not to say there was no pandemic in certain places. But overall, globally, no more people died than were expected to die in 2020, under normal circumstances. Surprisingly, there is no simple listing of all-cause, global mortality data for 2020 and prior years. It must be constructed from archived data.

 

Read full article:

 

https://principia-scientific.com/latest-data-shows-no-excess-all-causes-deaths-globally-in-2020/

 

[Thoth001]

SPACEBUSTERS - GERMS DEBUNK CORONA

 

"Medical doctors are working on the germ theory of disease...But the germ theory is already weakening and is due for being thrown aside. Dr. Fraser of Canada and Dr. Powell of California have experimented with billions of germs of all varieties, but they have been unable to produce a single disease by the introductions of germs into human subjects. Dr. Waite tried for years to prove the germ theory, but he could not do so. During the World War and experiment was conducted at Gallop's island Massachusetts, in which millions of influenza germs were injected into over one hundred men at the Government hospital, and ono one got the flu. Germs are scavengers."

 

-Principles and Practice of Naturopathy, EW Cordingley, M.D.,N.D,A.M.

 

https://ourtube.co.uk/watch/jOJjhzRHwpYSX9n

 

[Thoth001]

On 6/22/2021 at 4:35 AM, GeoffB said:

In a civilized society death rates fall each year as the country improves it's wealth and health.

If you are admitting that deaths have shot up to levels not seen for 20 years something drastic must have happened.

All I’m trying to show is that the excess deaths are caused by SARS-CoV-2.
So many people on here are convinced that this virus and all other viruses do not exist which is a very fringe view.
The excess deaths were caused by something so why not a manufactured virus as a bioweapon and vaccines which can also be used as a bioweapon?
My own personal view is that the virus was probably created by the US and released in China to disrupt their economy but the US didn’t expect it to end up worldwide, this is the Chinese governments view also.
Therefore excess deaths in the UK is an indication of the existence of the virus which is not particularly deadly but the manufactured fear has been used to bring in draconian measures of control.
What do you think caused the excess deaths mentioned in the BBC article which quotes ONS figures if it wasn't down to the virus?

University of Western Australia’s Response to FOIA Request: No Record Exists of Isolation or Purification of SARS-COV-2

 

University of Western Australia – home of Gates-funded researcher Christine Carson, who has spent countless hours on social media this past year insisting “YES the COVID-19 virus has been isolated” – Provided and Cited ZERO RECORDS for “SARS-COV-2” isolation/purification from a patient sample, by anyone anywhere in the World EVER!

 

https://truthcomestolight.com/university-of-western-australias-response-to-foia-request-no-record-exists-of-isolation-or-purification-of-sars-cov-2/

 

[GeoffB]

16 hours ago, screamingeagle said:

ok,imo if it's "no' then the all rush and push "save the lives" has hidden and sinister agenada

Yes the virus is real but not particularly deadly and yes there is a hidden agenda which is detailed by David Icke who is right on most things but not right when he states there is no virus.

[GeoffB]

16 hours ago, Basket Case said:

As a life long FAN of David Icke, do you not think you should 'question everything' especially this BBC article..?
Really....?
Quoting the fucking BBC ??????????
FFS

I quoted the BBC because it had the ONS figures in there to show the spike in excess deaths which proves something happened in 2020 which killed all those people and the most likely cause is the virus.

The BBC article was in simple terms so that a simpleton would understand it.

Of course I don't trust the BBC but I have some trust in the ONS figures.

[GeoffB]

16 hours ago, oddsnsods said:

 

I remember when that baalshit article came out.

 

He throws out a wild statement & then reals you back in with:

 

"The data on deaths can be confusing."

"On one hand, excess deaths are at their highest since World War Two, while on the other, death rates, once age and size of population are taken into account, are at their worst level for a little over a decade 'only'."

 

You can easily verify this data on the ONS.

But then Handcock sent thousands of grannies off to rot & refused them medical treatment, without going into how he drugged them to death & DNR's...or dodgy death certificates. Then people were refused medical treatment, so obviously took its toll & suicides..

Easily could have been different story with Vit D, Zinc, HCQ or Ivermectin.

Hardly any PANDEMIC tho & in all years previous you didnt see a global communist driven lockdown.

Yes we know all that but this thread is about whether the virus exists or not.

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1 minute ago, GeoffB said:

I quoted the BBC because it had the ONS figures in there to show the spike in excess deaths which proves something happened in 2020 which killed all those people and the most likely cause is the virus.

The BBC article was in simple terms so that a simpleton would understand it.

Of course I don't trust the BBC but I have some trust in the ONS figures.

As always....numbers are just numbers.
lt's how you interpret them that really matters.
The BBC's interpretation of those numbers are beyond ridiculous.

Why not just quote ONS ?
 

[GeoffB]

15 hours ago, Captainlove said:

Long covid is post viral fatigue,Chronic fatigue or even ME. Its not new been around for years.

Glad to see that you agree that viruses exist.

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1 minute ago, GeoffB said:

Yes we know all that but this thread is about whether the virus exists or not.

The virus ?
A virus ?
Which virus ?

lf there are viruses, then where has the Flu gone ? 

When saying 'no virus' l believe it's a statement along the lines of --->

" There is no new virus - no Wuhan released bioweapon - no virus that has now been given the name XYZ - it's this years Flu " 

 

 

 

[GeoffB]

13 hours ago, Beaujangles said:

Death rates do not fall each year due to improved wealth and health

If you look at the statistics the death rate in the UK was on a steady decline until 2020. 

Something killed those people. Yes some deaths for flu were erroneously given as Covid. Yes some deaths were attributed to Covid when they shouldn't have been. But the number of deaths and the new nature of those deaths (“I don’t know what it is, but I know that I have never seen it before. People are dying of a disease we don’t understand,.” Dr Cameron Kyle-Sidell) indicates that the virus is real but not particularly deadly enough for draconian measures and mass vaccinations. 

[GeoffB]

1 hour ago, Thoth001 said:

That is not to say there was no pandemic in certain places.

Your article confirms the existence of a pandemic and therefore the virus.

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3 minutes ago, GeoffB said:

People are dying of a disease we don’t understand

....and Midazolam.
Don't forget Midazolam.

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On 6/12/2021 at 10:24 AM, GeoffB said:

Yes we know that the virus has not yet been isolated but that doesn’t mean it does not exist.

Do you realise just how daft that sounds ?
:O)

[GeoffB]

28 minutes ago, Basket Case said:

Why not just quote ONS ?

Because there is a huge amount of data on there and it is easier to show it in graph form as in the BBC article.

I could just as easily have used this graph which you liked when it was posted by oddsnsods.

The graph is from In This Together who states "It was the gross exaggeration of the threat posed by a low mortality respiratory illness, comparable to influenza." Therefore he is admitting that it is a virus.

[GeoffB]

29 minutes ago, Basket Case said:

The virus ?
A virus ?
Which virus ?

lf there are viruses, then where has the Flu gone ? 

When saying 'no virus' l believe it's a statement along the lines of --->

" There is no new virus - no Wuhan released bioweapon - no virus that has now been given the name XYZ - it's this years Flu " 

 

 

 

If you admit the existence of flu which is a virus then you are admitting that viruses exist.

The flu virus has temporarily disappeared because the more dominant Sars-Cov-2 has subsumed it within itself as explained in this article. https://medium.com/illumination-curated/the-unexpected-case-of-the-disappearing-flu-64fd1fa5e909

[Daithi]

 

3 minutes ago, GeoffB said:

Because there is a huge amount of data on there and it is easier to show it in graph form as in the BBC article.

I could just as easily have used this graph which you liked when it was posted by oddsnsods.

The graph is from In This Together who states "It was the gross exaggeration of the threat posed by a low mortality respiratory illness, comparable to influenza." Therefore he is admitting that it is a virus.

 

Lies, damn lies and statistics. Raw data shows no such dramatic trend. It's been a good while since I graphed the raw data. Plus the 6 million-ish growth in population over the last 5-10 years is never reflected in ONS statistics

Edited June 24, 2021 by Daithi
removing text that I left in error

[GeoffB]

6 minutes ago, Basket Case said:

Do you realise just how daft that sounds ?
:O)

No viruses have ever been isolated including measles, flu and every other virus.

No viruses adhere to Koch's Postulates which was written before viruses were discovered and before Germ Theory was written.

This doesn't mean viruses do not exist.

Measles exist, flu exists etc. etc.

SARS-CoV-2 exists.

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14 minutes ago, GeoffB said:

The flu virus has temporarily disappeared because the more dominant Sars-Cov-2 has subsumed it

No.
Complete and utter bollox.
All decided by the bullshit PCR test which is totally being misused..?
You think the PCR can identify the Covid19 that you think is real, when you admit that the virus (in your case - covid19) hasn't been isolated properly . (lt's just a computer model)

And masks cannot and do not stop microscopic pieces of 'bio-mass' - flu or the so called 'new virus' from escaping....they just spead other respiratory diseases, like pneumonia.