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4 hours ago, GeoffB said:

"Using the most up-to-date data we have available, the number of deaths from the week ending 13 March 2020 up to 4 June 2021 was 764,444 in England and Wales. Of the deaths registered by 4 June 2021, 140,185 (18.3%) mentioned COVID-19 on the death certificate. During this period, the number of excess deaths above the five-year average was 103,857 deaths."

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending4june2021

 

A question to all you people who believe SARS-CoV-2 virus does not exist.

In England and Wales alone there were 103,857 "excess" deaths above the 5 year average. What was the main cause for the majority of these deaths? (I concede that unnecessary lockdowns have killed many people but nowhere near this amount).

LOL

There are NO excess deaths. NONE.

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12 hours ago, GeoffB said:

According to figures from the ONS

they have to say it

otherwise we would be right

because the masses accepts what the authorities says to them

 

if the TV was off,noone whould know about plandemic just as noone saw all the overcrowded,run over medical centers....it was and is fear propaganda 

 

lies,lies,lies 

 

 

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12 hours ago, GeoffB said:

According to figures from the ONS "The Covid pandemic has caused excess deaths to rise to their highest level in the UK since World War Two."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55631693

While that's true it's also scaremongering of the highest order that any decent media outlet should be ashamed of.

The population of the United Kingdom in the second world war was around 42 to 43 million people but in 2020 it was around 67 to 68 million people.

 

The only accurate way to measure deaths in a population is to see how many people died per 100,000 of the population.

When you look at those figures you don't have to go back to the second world war you only have to go back to the years 2000 and 2003 when death rates per 100,000 were around the same as 2020.

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Itsa said:

2000 and 2003 when death rates per 100,000 were around the same as 2020.

In a civilized society death rates fall each year as the country improves it's wealth and health.

If you are admitting that deaths have shot up to levels not seen for 20 years something drastic must have happened.

All I’m trying to show is that the excess deaths are caused by SARS-CoV-2.
So many people on here are convinced that this virus and all other viruses do not exist which is a very fringe view.
The excess deaths were caused by something so why not a manufactured virus as a bioweapon and vaccines which can also be used as a bioweapon?
My own personal view is that the virus was probably created by the US and released in China to disrupt their economy but the US didn’t expect it to end up worldwide, this is the Chinese governments view also.
Therefore excess deaths in the UK is an indication of the existence of the virus which is not particularly deadly but the manufactured fear has been used to bring in draconian measures of control.
What do you think caused the excess deaths mentioned in the BBC article which quotes ONS figures if it wasn't down to the virus?

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4 minutes ago, GeoffB said:

What do you think caused the excess deaths mentioned in the BBC article which quotes ONS figures if it wasn't down to the virus?

 

It sounds to me like you are trying to convince YOURSELF there is a virus.

 

The fact is regardless of YES there is or NO there isn't the global population is part of a massive scam being inflicted upon by a lying Government - THIS IS WHAT YOU HAVE TO EXCEPT!

 

You can quote all the figures and crap you want but you have to except that fact.

 

How the fuck can a Prime Minister say 'There may be more lockdowns needed'. Does the lying bastard have a crystal ball?

It's all a script to change human society and take away you rights and freedoms.

 

Three weeks ago 'We are renaming the variants according to the alphabet'

Last week 'We are monitoring TWENTY FIVE VARIANTS'

 

EVEN STEVIE WONDER CAN SEE THROUGH THIS ONE!

 

Average age of a covid death MID EIGHTIES.

THEY WERE GOING TO DIE ON THAT DAY AND AT THAT TIME ANYWAY.

 

They are coming for the children and fuck all else.

 

You need to wake up to the fact the whole point of this shit show IS TO INJECT THE POPULATION.

 

You are being lied to and you need to except that you are.

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I'm on the fence, but erring towards there being a virus, or something real about it.

 

What do you say to (extended) family who have someone youngish (32) in hospital, not able to drive, breathe properly, etc?  No prior conditions from what i can gather, just one of the unlucky ones perhaps? (I think he's going to be fine,  ultimately). He now has what they're calling "long covid", which i thought was just more bollocks at the time it became part of the media cycle. I'm not ruling out some other respiratory disease for him just yet, but for me the evidence suggests there is something, whatever that is.

 

I think it's important to remember that either position (there is no virus vs there is a virus) is not necessarily in direct opposition to each other. You can still believe there is a virus and understand to what extent the figures have been manipulated, the long term societal goals/vax/reset, etc, and find common ground with those who literally believe everything is fabricated. It's actually kind of irrelevant to the larger problem.

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19 hours ago, GeoffB said:

In a civilized society death rates fall each year as the country improves it's wealth and health.

If you are admitting that deaths have shot up to levels not seen for 20 years something drastic must have happened.

 

Not really admitting anything as I haven't said anything to the contrary, if we take into account all the excess deaths caused by lockdowns and the dubious goings on at care homes with the use of sedatives and opiates then 2020 would most likely be lower than both the years I mentioned one of which was worse than 2020 and one of which was exactly the same but nobody remembers because they were just bad years for respiratory infections and sadly the elderly and sick succumbed as they usually do. Sad but in no way drastic.

 

19 hours ago, GeoffB said:

 

All I’m trying to show is that the excess deaths are caused by SARS-CoV-2.
So many people on here are convinced that this virus and all other viruses do not exist which is a very fringe view.
 

Well i've got no problem with that, start a thread and present your evidence.

 

19 hours ago, GeoffB said:


The excess deaths were caused by something so why not a manufactured virus as a bioweapon and vaccines which can also be used as a bioweapon?
My own personal view is that the virus was probably created by the US and released in China to disrupt their economy but the US didn’t expect it to end up worldwide, this is the Chinese governments view also.
 

Where have you been? 

All the wuhan stuff has been online since early last year. It's all there, the articles about the transfer of coronaviruses from Canada to china, the clandestine arrests of Chinese and American agents caught trying to smuggle viruses out the country, the military games in Wuhan etc etc etc....

All seems a bit convenient to me, almost like it was put there for the alternative media to latch onto....

 

But look I've got no problem with people talking about wuhan and gain of function experiments if that's what they think is the truth, I'll read the information presented and take it into consideration.

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This thread is all about David Icke's claim that there is no virus so we don't need another thread on whether the virus exists or not as this thread covers it.

We all agree that the virus (whether it exists or not) is not particularly deadly but is being used as an excuse to manipulate humanity for nefarious means.

So to get back to whether the virus exists or not why do those on here rather believe a handful of people who have books to sell (some of whom have no virus expertise) that the virus doesn't exist than the millions of doctors, scientists, virologists, epidemiologists and various other experts who all agree that viruses do exist and that SARS-CoV-2 is real?

(I know all about viruses not being isolated, Koch's Postulates, exosomes etc. etc. so don't even go there).

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2 hours ago, GeoffB said:

that the virus doesn't exist than the millions of doctors, scientists, virologists, epidemiologists and various other experts who all agree that viruses do exist and that SARS-CoV-2 is real?

it's called hierarchy and fear.....

 

now tell me do you belive goverments are here for the benefit of the people 

simple yes/no will do 

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On 6/18/2021 at 3:00 AM, Truthspoon said:

It's probably worth pointing out that Dr Andrew Kaufmann is a doctor of psychiatry. I wonder how many people who assume he has knowledge and qualifications to support what he says know that.

 

 

 

 

 

It is also worth pointing out that Dr's of psychiatry are trained in all areas before settling on the field of preference. Dr's that I know, never stop gaining knowledge. Disregarding a doctor on their 'specialty' would be very naive and shortsighted.

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2 hours ago, GeoffB said:

This thread is all about David Icke's claim that there is no virus so we don't need another thread on whether the virus exists or not as this thread covers it.

We all agree that the virus (whether it exists or not) is not particularly deadly but is being used as an excuse to manipulate humanity for nefarious means.

So to get back to whether the virus exists or not why do those on here rather believe a handful of people who have books to sell (some of whom have no virus expertise) that the virus doesn't exist than the millions of doctors, scientists, virologists, epidemiologists and various other experts who all agree that viruses do exist and that SARS-CoV-2 is real?

(I know all about viruses not being isolated, Koch's Postulates, exosomes etc. etc. so don't even go there).

 

 

Even if you come from a very basic layperson mindset, you should be able to see what is happening around you. IF there were a virus ( SarsCov2) or lets call it what they want us to believe, a pandemic, then you would not be questioning its existence/non-existence. You would see it doesnt exist !!! If it did...you would see ambulances rushing with sirens blaring, cemeteries overflowing, more funerals on the roads, know of more dead from this 'virus', more dead friends and relatives etc etc... but we dont...I have been around the world twice during this madness and I can assure you what I have just listed is not happening...anywhere. There is no evidence out there of a pandemic... THAT is how you know... so trying to say DI is selling garbage....open your eyes..... listen.... take it all in....The truth will and is revealing itself to those without the blinders....

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Actually, asserting/stating "there is no virus"( in reference to the claim by certain (governmental)collective entities presumed to be "authoritive" and "experts" and operating in their(the public) best interest by some of the population) isn't really a"claim" at all, it's a statement of disbelief in the original "claim". He's not really required to "prove" anything or explain anything. 

The title of this thread and some of the posts in it are really just attempts to put the burden of proof where it is not appropriate; deflection, distraction, inversion, disingenuous bullshit,,, from the agents of Mind-fuckers Extrordinaire.

If one is operating from a lower level of conscious awareness, it's kind of funny, and sad, to see them attempt to impose their weak and disconnected and extreme ignorance on others that are actually expanding and progressing beyond that state.

Yeah...

...system of belief

 

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5 hours ago, screamingeagle said:

now tell me do you belive goverments are here for the benefit of the people 

simple yes/no will do

As a fan of David Icke for many years the answer is NO but I believe David is wrong that viruses do not exist.

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Just off of the top of my head...

 

I have researched evidence of manipulation of government death statistics to create the illusion of a "spike" of deaths relating to a specific pathogen.

 

I have researched a wealth of scientific evidence that the testing procedures are wildly inaccurate and actually useless for diagnosing infectious disease, not to mention the clear statement as such by the Nobel winning scientist who created the process now adopted as the "gold standard".

 

I have researched solid analytical data that links every outbreak of respiratory disease with the rollout of the next generation of radio technology from Spanish flu right up to 5G.

 

Yet people still readily subscribe to theories spoon fed to them from the very heart of everything that is evil and corrupt.

 

There is no infectious, transmissible virus and there is not a single jot of evidence to prove that there is either..

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5 hours ago, Beaujangles said:

 

 

Even if you come from a very basic layperson mindset, you should be able to see what is happening around you. IF there were a virus ( SarsCov2) or lets call it what they want us to believe, a pandemic, then you would not be questioning its existence/non-existence. You would see it doesnt exist !!! If it did...you would see ambulances rushing with sirens blaring, cemeteries overflowing, more funerals on the roads, know of more dead from this 'virus', more dead friends and relatives etc etc... but we dont...I have been around the world twice during this madness and I can assure you what I have just listed is not happening...anywhere. There is no evidence out there of a pandemic... THAT is how you know... so trying to say DI is selling garbage....open your eyes..... listen.... take it all in....The truth will and is revealing itself to those without the blinders....

That's total rubbish.

The excess all cause mortality figures show you that something happened in 2020 to cause all those extra deaths.

In med school you are taught "if you hear hoof beats think horses not zebras".

With weapons labs around the world researching "gain of function" the most logical answer is that the virus is real.

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On 6/21/2021 at 11:15 PM, GeoffB said:

According to figures from the ONS "The Covid pandemic has caused excess deaths to rise to their highest level in the UK since World War Two."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55631693

 

A laughing matter for some.... weird.

 

To become so dehumanised to other people's suffering....... 

 

I just don't know what to say to some people here. Probably best to say nothing and let them follow their path, but at least you were warned.

 

I've seen it all come and go. All the nonsense. They just quietly slink off in shame eventually.

 

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13 minutes ago, GeoffB said:

That's total rubbish.

The excess all cause mortality figures show you that something happened in 2020 to cause all those extra deaths.

In med school you are taught "if you hear hoof beats think horses not zebras".

With weapons labs around the world researching "gain of function" the most logical answer is that the virus is real.

 

It's interesting that you quote med school. The grotesque children of Carnegie and Rockefeller and big pharma. Midazolam and the highly questionable care pathways that have been surfaced by respected investigative journalism describe perfectly the events of these "spikes" in 2020/2021

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18 minutes ago, Truthspoon said:

A laughing matter for some..


"The Covid pandemic has caused excess deaths to rise to their highest level in the UK since World War Two."

Yeah, it's funny because the claim is complete BOLLOX.

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Well guess what? Anyone and everyone is entitled to be "wrong". If you think you're soooo "right" and justified to use force on anyone else to accept(comply with) your opinion/belief  I CAN ASSURE ANYONE AND EVERYONE LOOKING AT THIS NOW;; THE TRUTH DOES NOT NEED OR USE FORCE OR DECEPTION. EVER.

The only "virus" is untruth.

 

ps; "death' is a fiction. except for the unreal and untrue. 

 

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40 minutes ago, GeoffB said:

As a fan of David Icke for many years the answer is NO but I believe David is wrong that viruses do not exist.

ok,imo if it's "no' then the all rush and push "save the lives" has hidden and sinister agenada 

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32 minutes ago, Truthspoon said:

A laughing matter for some.... weird.

 

To become so dehumanised to other people's suffering....... 

 

I just don't know what to say to some people here. Probably best to say nothing and let them follow their path, but at least you were warned.

 

I've seen it all come and go. All the nonsense. They just quietly slink off in shame eventually.


So, being the person who openly laughed at this ridiculous statement, that you're quoting, does it follow that the rest of your post is aimed at me also ?
Just for the 'record', like....  :O)
 

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On 6/21/2021 at 8:15 PM, GeoffB said:

According to figures from the ONS "The Covid pandemic has caused excess deaths to rise to their highest level in the UK since World War Two."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55631693


As a life long FAN of David Icke, do you not think you should 'question everything' especially this BBC article..?
Really....?
Quoting the fucking BBC ??????????
FFS

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13 minutes ago, Basket Case said:


"The Covid pandemic has caused excess deaths to rise to their highest level in the UK since World War Two."

Yeah, it's funny because the claim is complete BOLLOX.

 

I remember when that baalshit article came out.

 

He throws out a wild statement & then reals you back in with:

 

"The data on deaths can be confusing."

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"On one hand, excess deaths are at their highest since World War Two, while on the other, death rates, once age and size of population are taken into account, are at their worst level for a little over a decade 'only'."

 

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You can easily verify this data on the ONS.

But then Handcock sent thousands of grannies off to rot & refused them medical treatment, without going into how he drugged them to death & DNR's...or dodgy death certificates. Then people were refused medical treatment, so obviously took its toll & suicides..

Easily could have been different story with Vit D, Zinc, HCQ or Ivermectin.

Hardly any PANDEMIC tho & in all years previous you didnt see a global communist driven lockdown.

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20 hours ago, spideysensei said:

I'm on the fence, but erring towards there being a virus, or something real about it.

 

What do you say to (extended) family who have someone youngish (32) in hospital, not able to drive, breathe properly, etc?  No prior conditions from what i can gather, just one of the unlucky ones perhaps? (I think he's going to be fine,  ultimately). He now has what they're calling "long covid", which i thought was just more bollocks at the time it became part of the media cycle. I'm not ruling out some other respiratory disease for him just yet, but for me the evidence suggests there is something, whatever that is.

 

I think it's important to remember that either position (there is no virus vs there is a virus) is not necessarily in direct opposition to each other. You can still believe there is a virus and understand to what extent the figures have been manipulated, the long term societal goals/vax/reset, etc, and find common ground with those who literally believe everything is fabricated. It's actually kind of irrelevant to the larger problem.

Long covid is post viral fatigue,Chronic fatigue or even ME. Its not new been around for years.

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