David Icke's claim that 'there is no virus'?

[Nobby Noboddy]

1 minute ago, DrCornwallis said:

If viruses don't exist, how can a viral infection such as Herpes Simplex 1, be rapidly treated with an anti viral ointment such as aciclover?

Maybe it's a more powerful poison than the one causing the symptoms.

 

I would recommend reading 'Myth of Contaigen'. It's the best synopsis for today's situation.

 

And also your question is a little loaded in identifying HS1 as a virus.

 

They DON'T exist as you are taught.

 

It's a 'psy-op' to get you to comply.

 

Will you?

[karmaxxxx]

34 minutes ago, Nobby Noboddy said:

Maybe it's a more powerful poison than the one causing the symptoms.

 

I would recommend reading 'Myth of Contaigen'. It's the best synopsis for today's situation.

 

And also your question is a little loaded in identifying HS1 as a virus.

 

They DON'T exist as you are taught.

 

It's a 'psy-op' to get you to comply.

 

Will you?

Thanks dude just downloaded will read that.

[Truthspoon]

11 hours ago, Dar said:

I lost my wife of age 52 in late 2019 to COVID like symptoms—she died quickly and unexpectedly in the hospital: her cardiologists suspected that she caught a virus(?), which exasperated her AFIB condition.  The loss was very emotional for me and still is. Now we know that this virus (or whatever it is) was in the U.S. as early as December of 2019 and I believe it was there sooner. 

 

What I do agree with is that there is a lot of disinformation all around about this pandemic, or whatever, and an over zealous drive to get everyone vaccinated. I remember not too long before COVID 19 and anti-vaccination movement that was gaining momentum in the U.S. and in Europe, because many, especially expecting mothers, believed that certain vaccines could cause autism in their child.

 

What also makes me suspicious about the whole damn thing is this 6' social distancing and mask wearing business: the flu and common cold are nearly as contagious, and deadly in certain circumstances, but there has never been a push to vaccinate against the flu, and a mandate to wear masks during cold and flu season—with the exemption of Michael Jackson who was ahead of his time wearing a mask publicly. Now, governments are incentivizing individuals to get the vaccine with gimmicks, and COVID vaccination is now being enforced through the a Texas court and employers can fire employees who refuse it. Another point I would like to make: if this virus/pandemic is so God-damn serious, then why are thousands of hourly employees allowed to work in the retail/customer service industry on the ground floor helping customers buy stuff for their house? Why are these employees put at high risk? And why would China—the country that makes most of the crap we buy—create a virus that is highly contagious, kills and seriously disrupts the global economy? It does not make rational sense.

 

 

Sorry for your loss. 

 

The last question is answered if you realise that the Chinese developed this bio-weapon with support and funding from the US tax-payer. It may be that they 'out-sourced' such weapons research because it may be something which is prescribed by US law, I don't know, I do know however that the UK lifted a moratorium on such research in the past five years though.

 

The purpose is simply population reduction in line with key UN goals.

 

 

Quote

 

Fauci’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases had shelled out a total of $7.4 million to the Wuhan Institute of Virology lab — which has become the focus of theories about the origin of COVID-19, according to Newsweek.

 

 

 

 

Edited June 17, 2021 by Truthspoon

[GeoffB]

13 hours ago, Nobby Noboddy said:

I would recommend reading 'Myth of Contaigen'. It's the best synopsis for today's situation.

You probably mean "The Contagion Myth" by Cowan and Sally Fallon Morell 2020.

The Nature Institute did a long and detailed analysis of the book and concluded that they were "grossly distorting scientific findings of others".

https://www.natureinstitute.org/article/craig-holdrege-and-jon-mcalice/some-comments-on-the-contagion-myth

 

 

[Pabloisawake]

Many agents on these forums. So sad.

[Truthspoon]

1 hour ago, Pabloisawake said:

Many agents on these forums. So sad.

 

I've been a fan of David Icke long before any of this no virus  stuff. 

 

If someone with a different opinion than yours you call an agent then it is indeed sad.

 

 

Edited June 17, 2021 by Truthspoon

[Ethel]

10 hours ago, Truthspoon said:

The last question is answered if you realise that the Chinese developed this bio-weapon with support and funding from the US tax-payer.

 

It's yourself you're trying to convince. 

[Grumpy Owl]

Its starting to become clearer to me what is happening here.

 

As happened after 9/11, 'conspiracy researchers and theorists' are being divided up into 'camps' and made to be played off against each other.

 

Not pointing any fingers at anyone in particular here, but I notice that there are efforts I am seeing elsewhere to push this 'anti-China' narrative that says that Covid is a Chinese manufactured bio-weapon virus helped by factions within the US.

 

In order to 'cement' this narrative, it has to therefore be determined (or even assumed) that there IS a virus, released deliberately or accidentally.

 

On the other hand, there are people who insist that there is 'no virus', and that there are other reasons for why people have been getting ill or dying. If there is NO virus, then it cannot have been manufactured in a lab.

 

And of course if 'germ theory' is wrong, and 'terrain theory' or German New Medicine are correct, then there are no viruses at all. Which then begs the question of what exactly 'virology' labs are actually studying or researching.

 

People are claiming that there is 'no virus', or there is a virus but it was manufactured.

 

Its a bit like the 9/11 theorists who claim that there were 'no planes', or there were planes and 'Israel done it'.

 

What is the truth? Only the perpetrators will ever really know.

 

But after what happened with 9/11, I can see we're all heading down the same path, of being bitter and divided, arguing and bickering over whose version of 'truth' is the right one.

 

Can anyone else take a step back and see what is happening here?

[Mitochondrial Eve]

On 6/12/2021 at 1:37 PM, GeoffB said:

Perhaps you should reply after doing some research on the subject because as David often states "Don't take my word for it do your own research and come to your own conclusions".

 

On 6/15/2021 at 9:24 AM, GeoffB said:

"SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, was isolated in the laboratory and is available for research by the scientific and medical community."

CDC 29th December 2020.

(Unless they are lying of course)?

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/lab/grows-virus-cell-culture.html

 

I have been in two minds about replying to this as it is getting a bit tiresome now responding to this CDC study over and over.

 

Whilst you infer that others need to do some research, I would respectfully suggest that you read around the forum a bit more as you should then have found that this CDC study has been rebutted numerous times. Here is one example:

 

 

After having read through the post above and perhaps all of the thread it sits in, I would appreciate your thoughts on the following. (Also, you have yet to respond about SARS-CoV-1 from earlier in this thread).

 

Has the SARS-CoV-2 virus been properly isolated?

• Where are the virus isolates from original patient specimens?

• Is sequence based microbial identification an adequate means of isolation?

• Can it truly be said that, if the alleged pathogen has been mixed with antibiotics and bovine fetal serum, centrifugation has properly separated the alleged pathogen from other genetic material and substances?

• Does not the supernatant (the upper part of the centrifuged material which is used as the end product) also contain genetic material, nano-particles and exosomes which are indistinguishable from viruses?

• Primers are only made up of 18 to 24 base pairs each whilst SARS-CoV-2 is assumed to consist of 30,000 bases. From base pairs representing only 0.07 per cent of the virus genome with the rest of the sequence filled in by computer sequencing, it is claimed that this virus has been identified. How is this good science?

• Should a control experiment have not been completed to ensure that the cytopathic effect observed in the cells does not happen without the alleged pathogen present?

• What are your views on the control experiments which have been commissioned by Dr Stefan Lanka?

• Was a close-genetic relatedness to SARS-CoV-1 assumed rather than correctly determined?

• Is a 79.6% match to SARS-CoV-1 adequate to conclude that the two alleged pathogens are related?

 

Was SARS-CoV-1, from which the SARS-CoV-2 genomic sequence is derived, also properly isolated and shown to cause the symptoms attributed to it?

• Why were samples (which were then cloned into 30 samples) only taken from 2 out of 50 SARS patients? Is that a big enough sample size on which to safely confirm a new pathogen?

• Out of the 2 samples only 1 showed genetic material of an unknown origin. Is that a big enough sample size on which to safely confirm a new pathogen?

• Due to its 57% match to bovine coronavirus and murine hepatitis virus, could it be safely concluded that it must be from the Coronaviridae family?

• What about the 43% genetic material in SARS-CoV-1 which is unaccounted for?

• Why did only half of the SARS-1 patients test positive for the SARS-CoV-1 virus and what does this mean?

 

[Ethel]

29 minutes ago, Grumpy Owl said:

Its starting to become clearer to me what is happening here.

 

As happened after 9/11, 'conspiracy researchers and theorists' are being divided up into 'camps' and made to be played off against each other.

 

Not pointing any fingers at anyone in particular here, but I notice that there are efforts I am seeing elsewhere to push this 'anti-China' narrative that says that Covid is a Chinese manufactured bio-weapon virus helped by factions within the US.

 

In order to 'cement' this narrative, it has to therefore be determined (or even assumed) that there IS a virus, released deliberately or accidentally.

 

On the other hand, there are people who insist that there is 'no virus', and that there are other reasons for why people have been getting ill or dying. If there is NO virus, then it cannot have been manufactured in a lab.

 

And of course if 'germ theory' is wrong, and 'terrain theory' or German New Medicine are correct, then there are no viruses at all. Which then begs the question of what exactly 'virology' labs are actually studying or researching.

 

People are claiming that there is 'no virus', or there is a virus but it was manufactured.

 

Its a bit like the 9/11 theorists who claim that there were 'no planes', or there were planes and 'Israel done it'.

 

What is the truth? Only the perpetrators will ever really know.

 

But after what happened with 9/11, I can see we're all heading down the same path, of being bitter and divided, arguing and bickering over whose version of 'truth' is the right one.

 

Can anyone else take a step back and see what is happening here?

 

 

Yes, it's crystal clear. However, this is a David Icke forum, and David Icke's official position is that there's no virus. I too don't agree with everything David says. Let me emphasize; I am not a flunky. Controversially, there are several important theories of his which I think have a few holes in them. I'd estimate that I agree with around 90% of his theories, but his explanation of how there is no virus is perfectly understandable, and the fundamental tenets of his explanation are that 

 

a) The so-called tests are not tests, and are absolutely fraudulent in every respect in being called a 'test'

b) Every illness with a respiratory component is being re-packaged and comes under the euphemistic term 'covid', as per the fraudulent 'tests' above

c) even the guy who invented the PCR said it should not be used for 'diagnosing' anything. 

 

How much clearer can this be? The average child should be able to understand it.

 

His explanation was not difficult to understand, which is why I have offered the explanation that those going with the Wuhan lab theory are clearly in a state of cognitive dissonance, i.e. "The media and government lie/there is a virus".

 

 

Edited June 17, 2021 by Ethel
adding something

[Ethel]

Although I do agree the two sides are being played off against each other.

Edited June 17, 2021 by Ethel
typo

[DrCornwallis]

8 hours ago, Pabloisawake said:

Many agents on these forums. So sad.

 

No.

 

I think you are the agent, the plant, the spook.

 

Your mission:

 

To appear like such a fkn tool, that anyone with the slightest grip on reality writes off the whole forum community as a croc of nut-jobs.

 

Go back to the Whiteboard, you 77th brigade spook agent of oppression you. 

[Golden Retriever]

On 6/14/2021 at 10:28 PM, Nobby Noboddy said:

Whoa, where have I been? - Oh yeah, banned for a bit.

 

What a cracking thread!

 

Might I humbly suggest anyone here who posts should at least have read

 

 

and if not all at least some of the referenced books too.

 

THEN  we can have a discussion that Antione Bechamp or Florence NIghtingale would be proud of.

 

Pasteur on the other hand can rot in hell.

 

 

Betcha I have had more restrictions than you!  PM me if you like.

[Macnamara]

15 hours ago, Truthspoon said:

The last question is answered if you realise that the Chinese developed this bio-weapon with support and funding from the US tax-payer.

 

the jabs are the bio-weapon

[GeoffB]

3 hours ago, Mitochondrial Eve said:

 

 

I have been in two minds about replying to this as it is getting a bit tiresome now responding to this CDC study over and over.

 

Whilst you infer that others need to do some research, I would respectfully suggest that you read around the forum a bit more as you should then have found that this CDC study has been rebutted numerous times. Here is one example:

 

 

After having read through the post above and perhaps all of the thread it sits in, I would appreciate your thoughts on the following. (Also, you have yet to respond about SARS-CoV-1 from earlier in this thread).

 

Has the SARS-CoV-2 virus been properly isolated?

• Where are the virus isolates from original patient specimens?

• Is sequence based microbial identification an adequate means of isolation?

• Can it truly be said that, if the alleged pathogen has been mixed with antibiotics and bovine fetal serum, centrifugation has properly separated the alleged pathogen from other genetic material and substances?

• Does not the supernatant (the upper part of the centrifuged material which is used as the end product) also contain genetic material, nano-particles and exosomes which are indistinguishable from viruses?

• Primers are only made up of 18 to 24 base pairs each whilst SARS-CoV-2 is assumed to consist of 30,000 bases. From base pairs representing only 0.07 per cent of the virus genome with the rest of the sequence filled in by computer sequencing, it is claimed that this virus has been identified. How is this good science?

• Should a control experiment have not been completed to ensure that the cytopathic effect observed in the cells does not happen without the alleged pathogen present?

• What are your views on the control experiments which have been commissioned by Dr Stefan Lanka?

• Was a close-genetic relatedness to SARS-CoV-1 assumed rather than correctly determined?

• Is a 79.6% match to SARS-CoV-1 adequate to conclude that the two alleged pathogens are related?

 

Was SARS-CoV-1, from which the SARS-CoV-2 genomic sequence is derived, also properly isolated and shown to cause the symptoms attributed to it?

• Why were samples (which were then cloned into 30 samples) only taken from 2 out of 50 SARS patients? Is that a big enough sample size on which to safely confirm a new pathogen?

• Out of the 2 samples only 1 showed genetic material of an unknown origin. Is that a big enough sample size on which to safely confirm a new pathogen?

• Due to its 57% match to bovine coronavirus and murine hepatitis virus, could it be safely concluded that it must be from the Coronaviridae family?

• What about the 43% genetic material in SARS-CoV-1 which is unaccounted for?

• Why did only half of the SARS-1 patients test positive for the SARS-CoV-1 virus and what does this mean?

 

SARS-CoV-2 has been isolated in the same way that all other viruses for the past 150 years have been isolated which is not a particularly satisfactory method.

Therefore to some it is proof that viruses do not exist. We then get in to the realms of Germ Theory v Terrain Theory.

Yes the CDC is a totally corrupt organisation and their failings should be exposed.

However, if you are trying to convince medical, scientific, virology and epidemiology experts that 150 years of science and medicine has been wrong for the past 150 years they are going to dismiss you out of hand.

The sensible approach is to agree that SARS-CoV-2 exists and argue that it and the Global Cult's response to it is to subjugate humanity. This was David Icke's approach in 2009 when he said the Global Cult will deliberately expose humanity to a man made virus.

David Icke has made a mistake now by promoting the very fringe idea that SARS-CoV-2 does not exist and by extension no other virus exists and has brought ridicule on the anti-lockdown and anti-Global Cult movement.

[DarianF]

@Mitochondrial Eve

 

 

[Truthspoon]

It's probably worth pointing out that Dr Andrew Kaufmann is a doctor of psychiatry. I wonder how many people who assume he has knowledge and qualifications to support what he says know that.

 

 

 

Edited June 18, 2021 by Truthspoon

[Macnamara]

1 hour ago, Truthspoon said:

It's probably worth pointing out that Dr Andrew Kaufmann is a doctor of psychiatry. I wonder how many people who assume he has knowledge and qualifications to support what he says know that.

 

Its probably worth pointing out that Neil Fergusson who is one of the government advisors and who is touted as an 'epidimeologist' and who has created computer models that have told us all kinds of false predictions about swine flu and covid and other things, is not a virologist or an immunologist nor is he a biologist. His undergraduate degree was in physics and his PHD was in theoretical physics....

 

yet the entire country was locked down on his advise

[Pabloisawake]

10 hours ago, Macnamara said:

 

the jabs are the bio-weapon

Yep.

[Pabloisawake]

3 hours ago, Truthspoon said:

It's probably worth pointing out that Dr Andrew Kaufmann is a doctor of psychiatry. I wonder how many people who assume he has knowledge and qualifications to support what he says know that.

 

 

 

He is a genius and there is no virus.

[Pabloisawake]

14 hours ago, DrCornwallis said:

 

No.

 

I think you are the agent, the plant, the spook.

 

Your mission:

 

To appear like such a fkn tool, that anyone with the slightest grip on reality writes off the whole forum community as a croc of nut-jobs.

 

Go back to the Whiteboard, you 77th brigade spook agent of oppression you. 

Defensive.

 

Do you not know there are thousands of paid agents online? That is a fact.

 

Why are you defensive? I stated a fact. Agents are on forums like this.

 

There is no virus.

[Pabloisawake]

20 hours ago, Truthspoon said:

 

I've been a fan of David Icke long before any of this no virus  stuff. 

 

If someone with a different opinion than yours you call an agent then it is indeed sad.

 

 

What does Icke have to do with anything and who mentioned you?

 

I do not have any opinions. I have only stated what is.

[Macnamara]

5 hours ago, Pabloisawake said:

Yep.

 

As David says they don't actually need a virus, they only need a perception of a virus

 

The real bioweapon is the jabs and if they can convince to you to have the jab then that is mission accomplished for them

 

When people start to die due to the jabs effects they can then blame it on a virus which some people perceive to be real

 

The perception of a virus is now the perfect thing for the cabal to hide all their crimes behind. They can damage someone with an influenza vaccine through 'molecular mimicry' and then blame it on 'covid'. They can roll out 5G and watch as it shatters public health and then blame it all on 'covid'. They can roll out experimental mRNA gene therapy injections onto the populace and when people get sick they can blame it on 'covid variants'

 

...and it will work because many people perceive the virus to be real

[Nobby Noboddy]

On 6/15/2021 at 9:16 AM, rs1978 said:

Before i write more I just want to say I love D.I his books and practically everything he says but.

 

WHY the fuck does he keep saying there is NO VIRUS !! its fkn doing my NUT IN ! look i know apparently there zero scientific paper in the world isolating it to prove it exists ( apparently) i know all about the fake PCR test . ok ...............but what  THE FUCK about all the fkn people healthy people that bang all of a sudden there fkn floored in hospital on a fkn vent ?   

Simply because there isn't one. Never has been. It's a fiction.

 

What they say are 'viruses' are not.

 

People get ill because of weak and compromised immune systems, toxic environments, poisoned processed food, adulterated water, lack of sunshine, fresh air and exercise, loneliness, a stunted mentality which makes them believe anything and plenty of other things.

 

They don't get ill because they breath in a bug or virus from someone else's sneeze.

 

And what the fuck does fkn mean?

[Nobby Noboddy]

6 hours ago, Pabloisawake said:

Yep.

Double yep.

 

How on earth, given their actual record, do you think they've survived? Continuous resistance, piss-poor performance, leviathan investment in continuing (resulting in enormous profits of course), countless payouts.

 

They are nothing other than a weapon, never been anything else - and mostly targeted at poor people.

 

Same 'colourful' type of characters as involved in all the big lies.

Edited June 18, 2021 by Nobby Noboddy