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10 minutes ago, GeoffB said:

she lost her sense of smell and taste for months which you don't get from flu.


No.
Flu can do this too..

 

 

11 minutes ago, GeoffB said:

Covid has killed more old and sick people than flu


This cannot be proved.

 

 

12 minutes ago, GeoffB said:

The virus is real, different to flu, mutated hundreds of thousands of times and probably made in a lab.


Again, cannot be proved..opinion only.

BC
 

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24 minutes ago, GeoffB said:

My wife being a nurse had 14 days self isolation before going back to work. However, she lost her sense of smell and taste for months which you don't get from flu.

"Unlike the flu, COVID-19 can sometimes cause a person to suddenly lose their sense of smell (anosmia) or taste (ageusia)."

Well, I had the flu in 2010 with a fever of 40°C, and had a loss of smell and taste for half a year afterwards.
Did I already have Corona in 2010?

So this claim is not true! Unless Corona already existed in 2010 ;-)

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27 minutes ago, GeoffB said:

My wife and I have both had Covid and have both previously had flu. In my case flu was worse than Covid but I was lethargic for a few weeks after Covid meaning I decided to stop being a front line worker and take 7 weeks off work as the government were paying me although I could have gone back a lot sooner.

My wife being a nurse had 14 days self isolation before going back to work. However, she lost her sense of smell and taste for months which you don't get from flu.

"Unlike the flu, COVID-19 can sometimes cause a person to suddenly lose their sense of smell (anosmia) or taste (ageusia)."

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-disease-2019-vs-the-flu

Covid has killed more old and sick people than flu but I admit lockdowns have caused some of those deaths.

Therefore although there are many similarities between Covid and flu there are differences which a trained medical professional can discern.

The virus is real, different to flu, mutated hundreds of thousands of times and probably made in a lab.

It is not that much worse than a bad flu season but it is being used to bring in a draconian agenda.

 

 

Bro, EVERYTIME, I've had a cold/flu, my nose is that blocked I cant smell or taste anything. 

 

Thats what I always used to moan about when ill, that I cant taste my food!

Im really baffled as to why people think its a new thing. 

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2 minutes ago, CosmoGenesis said:

 

Bro, EVERYTIME, I've had a cold/flu, my nose is that blocked I cant smell or taste anything. 

 

Thats what I always used to moan about when ill, that I cant taste my food!

Im really baffled as to why people think its a new thing. 

 

Because Convid-19 is new and only Convid-19 causes those symptoms.  😆

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9 minutes ago, wideawake said:

 

Because Convid-19 is new and only Convid-19 causes those symptoms.  😆

 

I think hes bought into the hype because him and his missus work for the NHS,  going to work believing the propaganda and his missus is henpecking him saying its real blah blah. 

Same situation with a guy at work, he was all 'Its all bollocks I aint getting the jab' then the next week comes in and said hes getting it now because his missus has pestered him. LOL. 

 

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18 hours ago, Truthspoon said:

What is killing all those people?

 

What is in the vaccine?

 

Covid is just part of the Transhumanist Bork agenda, with these artificial frequencies (for control and surveillance) + DNA (gene modification and nanotech, nanorobotics) manipulations, these things go together...this is not just 1 tree....


Then it's welcome to the collective of AI.... as biorobots... the preliminary work is done by wifi and smartphones...then it goes on with the experiments...people are becoming more fearful because of this...are already afraid to talk about the subject of mobile phone damage!!!! You can't believe what seriously ill people are prepared to do...(it's only a question of time...I now know many 20 year olds who are seriously chronically ill and also younger people! They have diseases that used to affect people from the age of 60).


Excerpt from the report:

"...This means that the Covid 19 vaccine can incorporate all the technologies you will hear about in this video. The level of precision of this technology is such that miniature nanorobots the size of dust particles can be programmed to attack any part of the body to deliver a payload or virus directly into the bloodstream, organs, brain, eyes and so on. It can also lie dormant in any part of the body and remain there unnoticed until the appropriate electronic signal is delivered to reactivate it...."

CIA neurobiology expert on controlling the human brain with RNA vaccines

https://unser-mitteleuropa.com/cia-neurobiologie-experte-ueber-die-steuerung-des-menschlichen-gehirns-mittels-rna-impfstoffen/

 

 

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7 minutes ago, CosmoGenesis said:

Same situation with a guy at work, he was all 'Its all bollocks I aint getting the jab' then the next week comes in and said hes getting it now because his missus has pestered him. LOL. 

 

At least he had an excuse (his missus). lol

A fella I work with was against the jab all along then one day he said he had an appointment the next day for the jab. I asked him why the fuck would you go for the jab knowing it's a scam?

His answer was with a stupid embarrassing smile: I don't know! 🙄

Needless to say, prior to that we had discussed going golfing together someday but now he can play with his own balls... fuck him brainless idiot.

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For all my fellow David Icke fans some of who believe the virus does not exist due to it not being isolated and it doesn't follow Koch's Postulate theory, do you believe that any virus exists particularly Sars-Cov-1?

Perhaps you should reply after doing some research on the subject because as David often states "Don't take my word for it do your own research and come to your own conclusions".

Here is a good place to start.

https://swprs.org/on-the-origin-of-sars-coronavirus-2/

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On 6/11/2021 at 4:40 PM, Scogan said:

I think we are missing the huge fraud...........SCIENCE CREATED IT.          

Nonsense. You can not create a virus. They do not exist. I already posted Dr Kaufman rebuttal to the idea it has been isolated.

 

There is no evidence of any c19 Virus. FACT.

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3 hours ago, GeoffB said:

For all my fellow David Icke fans some of who believe the virus does not exist due to it not being isolated and it doesn't follow Koch's Postulate theory, do you believe that any virus exists particularly Sars-Cov-1?

Perhaps you should reply after doing some research on the subject because as David often states "Don't take my word for it do your own research and come to your own conclusions".

Here is a good place to start.

https://swprs.org/on-the-origin-of-sars-coronavirus-2/

You seem like an agent.

 

No virus exists. PERIOD.

 

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4 minutes ago, Pabloisawake said:

Nonsense. You can not create a virus. They do not exist. I already posted Dr Kaufman rebuttal to the idea it has been isolated.

 

There is no evidence of any c19 Virus. FACT.

 

I respect your opinion.  We live and die by our own logical thought processes.  I wish you good health and long life.  

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1 minute ago, Scogan said:

 

I respect your opinion.  We live and die by our own logical thought processes.  I wish you good health and long life.  

I will live as long as I want.

 

There are no viruses to kill me and the NWO can only decimate those who consent.

 

Thanks.

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1 minute ago, Pabloisawake said:

I will live as long as I want.

 

There are no viruses to kill me and the NWO can only decimate those who consent.

 

Thanks.

 

 

The world is a petri dish my friend, one shot of Lysol could kill 99% of us... but it is the 1% who will survive precisely because we prepare at different levels.  No need to be abrasive about Humanity.  

 

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On 6/7/2021 at 10:28 PM, DrCornwallis said:

....But THERE IS DEFINITELY A VIRUS?

 

 

You should tell that to the London police.

 

 

 

 

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Piers Corbyn being arrested, for breaking COVID rules, at Speaker's Corner last year.  There is a cop with a cheapo face covering clipped under his radio, but none of them are wearing masks. If there was a real pandemic they would be wearing military NBC suits and respirators.

 

Where are all the dead police officers? The police have to work, live and commute in a city crammed with 9 million plus people, surely the police would be needing new recruits to take over from the dead and sick.

 

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I myself believe the Virus to be real, and I think the Anti-Vaxx Theorist are basically the new version of the Anti-Fluoride Theorists.

 

I have met former CIA officers and such who have admitted the reason everyone was so paranoid about Fluoride is because the Government hired people to talk about that instead of real things the Government was doing.

 

The personal proof for me is how a lot of my family were living in a small town were drinking water had to be delivered (This was back in the day) and one day when they adding the chemicals they added a little too much Fluoride and didn't notice. 

 

Everyone of them had stained teeth, but they weren't less smart Intellectually or Socially. As far my family back then could tell they just had bad teeth from it.

 

Fluoride by the way can give you stained teeth by the way if you are allergic or are exposed to too much of it at once.

 

Don't get me wrong, Fluoride can be very harmful, but not as harmful as some people make it out.

 

Trust Government misinformation targeted at Truth Seekers is real.

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Lol, I was trying to think of a good analogy for the people who continue to stubbornly insist that there is a virus.

 

You're what Mark Passio calls "tent pitchers", i.e. you get half way up a mountain, pitch your tent, and refuse to go any further.

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46 minutes ago, GeoffB said:

So you believe that no viruses exist not just SARS-Cov-2?

 

Actually, I'm open to the possibility that maybe all our modern medicine is wrong about germs/bacteria/viruses, and this has all been put forward just to support the Big Pharma industry selling us their drugs and pills in order to make huge profits.

 

See these threads here:

I've also recently read Dr Vernon Coleman's excellent book "Mindpower" (published 1986)

https://vernoncoleman.org/books/mindpower-how-use-your-mind-heal-your-body

 

I have believed myself for sometime that one's own state of mind can have some influence over your own health and wellbeing. People get sick because they believe they are sick. And then up pop the 'quacks' with their miracle cure wonder-drugs.

 

And Dr Hamer's research is fascinating to read, no wonder the medical establishment chose to take no notice of him and discredit him.

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29 minutes ago, Grumpy Owl said:

 

Actually, I'm open to the possibility that maybe all our modern medicine is wrong about germs/bacteria/viruses, and this has all been put forward just to support the Big Pharma industry selling us their drugs and pills in order to make huge profits.

 

See these threads here:

I've also recently read Dr Vernon Coleman's excellent book "Mindpower" (published 1986)

https://vernoncoleman.org/books/mindpower-how-use-your-mind-heal-your-body

 

I have believed myself for sometime that one's own state of mind can have some influence over your own health and wellbeing. People get sick because they believe they are sick. And then up pop the 'quacks' with their miracle cure wonder-drugs.

 

And Dr Hamer's research is fascinating to read, no wonder the medical establishment chose to take no notice of him and discredit him.

But have you read 'The Myth of Conataigen' yet?

 

It's sooo good as it covers a great deal of background information that unless, like nerds of my kind you wont have read the original books and research.

 

I'm going to get my progeny to read it as soon as I can.

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7 hours ago, GeoffB said:

For all my fellow David Icke fans some of who believe the virus does not exist due to it not being isolated and it doesn't follow Koch's Postulate theory, do you believe that any virus exists particularly Sars-Cov-1?

Perhaps you should reply after doing some research on the subject because as David often states "Don't take my word for it do your own research and come to your own conclusions".

Here is a good place to start.

https://swprs.org/on-the-origin-of-sars-coronavirus-2/

I have read around this subject as extensively as time permits for me, and I do not believe that SARS-CoV has been proven to exist and cause disease.

 

SARS-CoV was thought to be a possible cause of severe acute respiratory syndrome during an outbreak in 2003. Scientists in Hong Kong studied 50 patients afflicted with symptoms including fever, chills, myalgia and coughs1. Samples were taken from two of these patients and developed into 30 cloned cultures in fetal monkey liver cells. In one of the 30 cloned samples, genetic material of "unknown origin" was found. This unknown material was analysed and found to match bovine coronavirus and murine hepatitus virus by 57% after which it was concluded that it must belong to the family Coronaviridae and was registered with GenBank under Accession No. AY2741192.

 

Primers were then designed for detecting SARS-CoV, and 44 nasopharangeal samples were taken from the 50 patients. Only 22 tested positive and it has not been explained why the other half were not found to be infected with the alleged micro-organism, going against orthodox virus theories that the pathogen should be present in all cases of disease and also not found in healthy individuals.

 

It is claimed that a further two studies in May and July 2003 provided definitive proof of SARS-CoV as a pathogenic virus fulfilling Koch's postulates.34 436 patients diagnosed with the condition were tested for SARS-CoV but the coronavirus was only found in 329 of the cases. The supposed virus was injected into four macaque monkeys which, rather than becoming gravely ill, developed light symptoms including lethargy, temporary rashes, breathing difficulty and altered pulmonary tissue and only died when they were euthanised. Closer reading of the technique reveals that the virus was administered through the monkeys' throats, noses and under their eyelids. And blood was taken from veins in their groins and smears from the nose, mouth, throat and anus. Furthermore, the monkeys were subjected to doses of ketamine to anaesthetise them, of which its side effects in humans can include pulmonary disturbances and even respiratory arrest in too high doses. Only one of the monkeys developed breathing difficulties, despite SARS-CoV being characterised as a serious pulmonary disease, and three experienced non-advancing alveolar damage to both pulmonary lobes. There was no control group of monkeys exposed to the same conditions without the alleged virus so it could be that the conditions themselves were traumatic enough for the monkeys to develop the symptoms that appeared.

 

The case for SARS-CoV relies on some unknown genetic material being discovered in only one of 30 cloned samples which only matched a suspected betacoronavirus by 57% leaving 43% unaccounted for. And, after supposedly isolating the virus, only half of the patients even tested positive for SARS-CoV with no answer as to why the other half didn't. And further, closer examination of the monkey studies held up as definitive proof that SARS-CoV is a pathogenic virus, reveals that the test subjects were exposed to traumatic conditions and anaesthetic which could equally have caused their illnesses, whilst control experiments were lacking.

 

1Peiris, JSM et al. Coronavirus as a Possible Cause of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(03)13077-2/fulltext

2Marra, Marco A. et al. The Genome Sequence of the SARS-Associated Coronavirus. https://science.sciencemag.org/content/sci/300/5624/1399.full.pdf

3Foucher, Ron et al. Koch's Postulates Fulfilled for SARS Virus. https://www.nature.com/articles/423240a/

4Kuiken, Thijs et al. Newly Discovered Coronavirus as the Primary Cause of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12892955/

 

Dr Sam Bailey has also made an excellent video on the dubious science behind the "discovery" of SARS-CoV which she presents beautifully.

 

And perhaps you may wish to review the chapter in 'Virus Mania' about SARS-CoV - https://archive.org/details/virus-mania-how-the-medical-industry-continually-invents-epidemics/page/11/mode/2up

 

 

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33 minutes ago, Mitochondrial Eve said:

I have read around this subject as extensively as time permits for me, and I do not believe that SARS-CoV has been proven to exist and cause disease.

I was using SARS-CoV-1 as an example of any virus.

It appears some people on here believe there is no such thing as a virus.

This is a stance that even David Icke has not taken because in his book Human Race Get Off Your Knees on page 348 he clearly states "This is why when a new disease comes along which the immune system isn't programmed to read, people can 'drop like flies' because they have no protection. This happened when smallpox (variola virus) was introduced by Europeans to the then smallpox-free Native American population".

So if David Icke believes viruses exist why can't some of his followers?

On David's website there is a video advertising his latest book Perceptions Of A Renegade Mind where in 2009 he states "Stage one you create a problem, it could be a manufactured virus".

So again David admits the existence of viruses.

He may not believe that SARS-CoV-2 exists because it has not yet been isolated but for some of his followers to actually believe that any virus does not exist is taking a very extreme view and opening themselves up to ridicule.

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I aired my own personal view earlier in the thread but just wish to add a point

 

There are TWO KEY FACTS at play here

 

FACT ONE - Yes there really is a virus. The population is being screwed over.

 

FACT TWO - No there is no virus. The population is being screwed over.

 

Instead of all the arguing and bickering here the one fact regardless of a virus existing or not is

THE POPULATION IS BEING SCREWED OVER.

 

 

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10 hours ago, Ynot Hump said:

I aired my own personal view earlier in the thread but just wish to add a point

 

There are TWO KEY FACTS at play here

 

FACT ONE - Yes there really is a virus. The population is being screwed over.

 

FACT TWO - No there is no virus. The population is being screwed over.

 

Instead of all the arguing and bickering here the one fact regardless of a virus existing or not is

THE POPULATION IS BEING SCREWED OVER.

 

 

 

 

Exactly.  Screwed over by evil that has corrupted science.  

 

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10 hours ago, Ynot Hump said:

I aired my own personal view earlier in the thread but just wish to add a point

 

There are TWO KEY FACTS at play here

 

FACT ONE - Yes there really is a virus. The population is being screwed over.

 

FACT TWO - No there is no virus. The population is being screwed over.

 

Instead of all the arguing and bickering here the one fact regardless of a virus existing or not is

THE POPULATION IS BEING SCREWED OVER.

 

 

There is no virus. That is the fact that matters. People are not dying. No extra burials or cremations, no extra hospital admissions.

 

Dr Kaufman has broken this down; c19 has never been shown to exist, that is a fact, not a theory.

 

The NWO can not create viruses. There will never be a virus outbreak.

 

THIS IS VERY RELEVANT. One has to then ask so how are they planning the mass cull of 7.5 BILLION people?

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