David Icke's claim that 'there is no virus'?

[GeoffB]

1 hour ago, kilowon said:

and where does those bacteria come from?

They can come from anywhere. It is just a precaution.

Antibiotics and steroids, if used, are also in the mock control.

[kilowon]

Just now, GeoffB said:

They can come from anywhere. It is just a precaution.

Antibiotics and steroids, if used, are also in the mock control.

At this point I could care less what you have to say. I am engaged in another interesting thread and will not be wasting any more time with your claptrap. Goodbye and good luck

[Grumpy Owl]

23 hours ago, GeoffB said:

Virology is a complex subject that is based on facts.

The best people to call out misinformation on viruses are experts in their field.

David Icke normally doesn't deal in facts he deals in theories and abstract concepts and is therefore difficult to contradict with facts.

The only thing I disagree with David is his disappointing stance that "viruses do not exist" which has been totally debunked.

 

Are you a virologist by any chance?

 

Pretty much most of what David Icke has talked or written about over the years has been 'totally debunked' by 'experts'.

 

Do you completely trust 'experts' such as Prof Chris Whitty, Prof Neil Ferguson and Dr Jonathan Van-Tam?

 

 

[MarcusOmouse]

Its seems pretty clear to me that once we collectively understand that so called viruses are the exact opposite of what we are being told they are, there will quickly follow i a huge collapse of hierarchically imposed fake  perceptions.

 

This is very dangerous to the 0.01 percent.

 

Its the same with the climate change nonsense.

 

The above tiny minority are desperately clinging to fake narratives and will employ all methods , mostly money,  to maintain it.

[GeoffB]

28 minutes ago, Grumpy Owl said:

 

Are you a virologist by any chance?

 

Pretty much most of what David Icke has talked or written about over the years has been 'totally debunked' by 'experts'.

 

Do you completely trust 'experts' such as Prof Chris Whitty, Prof Neil Ferguson and Dr Jonathan Van-Tam?

 

 

I have studied virology and it is an absolutely fascinating subject and the existence of viruses is beyond doubt.

 

I don't think that David Icke has been debunked because as I have said before they are theories and abstract concepts which is impossible to counter with facts, only with opinions even if it is from a so-called expert.

 

I don't trust any experts particularly the one's you mentioned but you don't have to be much of an expert to know that viruses exist.

 

 

[novymir]

2 hours ago, GeoffB said:

I have studied virology and it is an absolutely fascinating subject and the existence of viruses is beyond doubt.

 

I don't think that David Icke has been debunked because as I have said before they are theories and abstract concepts which is impossible to counter with facts, only with opinions even if it is from a so-called expert.

 

I don't trust any experts particularly the one's you mentioned but you don't have to be much of an expert to know that viruses exist.

 

 

Your absolutism(and duplicity) is  preposterous, it would be hilarious too, if you would only just keep it to yourself,  instead of acting exactly like what you refer to as a "deadly contageous virus"...the only kind of "virus"= fucked up ideas.

 

 

ps; something not human is "living"/operating through this member...that's my opinion...artificial-intelligence... it's fake, trying to mimic human...it's not genuine.

 

DISTRACTION-DIVERSION-DISTORTION-DECEPTION

Edited November 2, 2021 by novymir

[GeoffB]

The facts showing that viruses exist ……

 

Viruses have been proved to exist by modern virology through experiments with an isolated single human cell infected with a virus and shown to infect a different healthy human cell. Mock controls are done in almost every case. The experiment is written up in a scientific paper for peer review. No paper has had to be retracted.

 

Viruses have been proved to exist via modern electron microscopy and photographed showing the virus which is similar but different to an exosome. Again no paper has been retracted.

 

Viruses have been proved to exist via modern whole gene sequencing of all of the base pairs. SARS-CoV-2 has 29,903 base pairs which have been uploaded to the GISAID initiative over 4.7 million times. Again no paper has been retracted.

 

Viruses have been proved to exist via PCR tests which are highly specific in detecting the unique long gene sequence fragment of the virus you want to detect. It is not so good at diagnosing infection as the virus detected maybe dead fragments and not viable which can only be done by cell culture. However, the CT rate is an indication of infectability. Again no paper has been retracted.

 

Viruses have been proved to exist in the German courts in the infamous Lanka v Bardens case where all the judges and experts agreed that the measles virus was real. (Lanka weaseled himself out of paying the 100,000euro bet by persuading the court that it was proved by “six” scientific papers and not “one” that he had asked for).

 

There has been no retired virologist or otherwise with nothing to lose in coming forward with any doubts about “viruses existing”. There have been no death bed confessions from modern virologists. This indicates that viruses are real and do exist.

 

The US has over 200 bioweapons labs around the world, there are many others. They are all working on viruses. If there is a biological accident or attack your semi-religious belief that “viruses do not exist” will not save you from sickness and/or death.

 

Some Charlatans with a failed scientific/medical background with books to sell, websites to fund and pills, lotions and potions to sell to the gullible have seen the profit potential of abandoning mainstream medicine in favour of the 19th century Terrain Theory and “viruses do not exist” quackery. People like Stefan Lanka, Andrew Kaufman, Tom Cowan, Sam Bailey etc.

 

These people have seduced others in the alternative media without a medical or scientific background but who also have books to sell and websites to fund to support their spurious 19th century claims and that “viruses do not exist”. People like David Icke, Jon Rappaport, Mike Adams etc.

 

They keep appearing on each others platforms, including Alex Jones Infowars, and keep quoting each other and operate in an echo chamber of lies and deceit to illicit money from the gullible.

 

Facts are facts and viruses have been proved to exist.

 

These people may have interesting things to say on Covid, lockdowns, masks, vaccines, global warming, controlling the masses and many other subjects but on “viruses not existing” they are totally wrong, out of date and have been proved to be wrong.

 

You may be a follower of these people and want to believe they are right 100% of the time but on “viruses not existing” they are just plain wrong, out of date and have been proved to be wrong.
 

[novymir]

We've been "seduced".?..yeah right....while all the money, perks, prestige, and undeserved "hero" status is in the consensus, status-quo, governmental/corporate-media approved "medical science", "health-care" industry; the industry that has infested -infected  every metropolitan area world-wide , and destroys the health and well-being of it's gullible, innocent human subjects. Stealing their minds, energy, and potentials, their lives, to support a predatory/parasitic entity of a fraudulent nature.

It has assimilated  humans into a borg-like anti-human, anti-Spirit consciousness. They have been conned into turning their will and their life over to what amounts to is "satan"-- the fraud-god of this counterfeit world dream=egoMatrix.

 

Sure, we've been seduced. No, we've woken up to Truth.

 

 

 

[Grumpy Owl]

OK, I guess this thread has run its course now, as I pointed out earlier, there are already other topics covering the same subjects, which the discussion can continue in.

 

David Icke has his opinions on viruses, others have different opinions.

[WaveParticle]

The "covid" was a complete fake to further the GLOBALIST agenda, basically as David Icke wrote, it was simply the common cold, "flu" re-diagnosed as fake COVID.  

[TheConsultant]

4 hours ago, WaveParticle said:

The "covid" was a complete fake to further the GLOBALIST agenda, basically as David Icke wrote, it was simply the common cold, "flu" re-diagnosed as fake COVID.  

I agree! However, there was supposed to be something released publicly. Although that would be considered a biological weapon rather than a virus.

Dr Charles Lieber and two of his Chinese students were caught being paid by foreign entity, making false statements and smuggling biological materials abroad. They were absolutely working on something

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/harvard-university-professor-indicted-false-statement-charges - read about the two Chinese students as well and note the timing of that.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/harvard-university-professor-and-two-chinese-nationals-charged-three-separate-china-related - Separate I am not so sure about.

[Grumpy Owl]

On 10/24/2023 at 4:20 PM, TheConsultant said:

I agree! However, there was supposed to be something released publicly. Although that would be considered a biological weapon rather than a virus.

Dr Charles Lieber and two of his Chinese students were caught being paid by foreign entity, making false statements and smuggling biological materials abroad. They were absolutely working on something

 

I am still of the belief that COVID-19 was just the flu rebranded, and the PCR/LFT tests were meaningless.

 

However, I still do not 'buy' this alternative narrative of a 'biological weapon being released from a Wuhan lab', as I think this is also some kind of a deflection.

 

I don't doubt that there are labs all across the world working on such types of biological weapons for nefarious purposes.

 

What I found wholly remarkable was just how fast this 'new coronavirus' spread around the world, and I think the whole idea of 'Chinese people going back home after celebrating New Year' was just a convenient smokescreen.

 

COVID spread as fast as the Chinese factories were churning out these PCR and LFT test kits. It was also convenient that lockdowns and mask-wearing mandates were introduced shortly after the Chinese factories started churning out millions of those useless disposable surgical masks.

[TheConsultant]

46 minutes ago, Grumpy Owl said:

 

I am still of the belief that COVID-19 was just the flu rebranded, and the PCR/LFT tests were meaningless.

 

However, I still do not 'buy' this alternative narrative of a 'biological weapon being released from a Wuhan lab', as I think this is also some kind of a deflection.

 

I don't doubt that there are labs all across the world working on such types of biological weapons for nefarious purposes.

 

What I found wholly remarkable was just how fast this 'new coronavirus' spread around the world, and I think the whole idea of 'Chinese people going back home after celebrating New Year' was just a convenient smokescreen.

 

COVID spread as fast as the Chinese factories were churning out these PCR and LFT test kits. It was also convenient that lockdowns and mask-wearing mandates were introduced shortly after the Chinese factories started churning out millions of those useless disposable surgical masks.

You are missing a step, the weapon never got out publicly. Internal emails and finances show it was a developed bioweapon, not my words the words of internal WHO emails. Fully agree regarding flu and PCR/tests.

[Mr H]

On 11/2/2021 at 8:52 PM, GeoffB said:

 

I don't trust any experts particularly the one's you mentioned but you don't have to be much of an expert to know that viruses exist.

 

 

I'm definitely not an expert but I've never heard that viruses don't exist.

 

I have heard that they are not as we thought, harmful and more inert.

[Talorgan]

https://drsambailey.com/a-farewell-to-virology-expert-edition/

 

Worth looking at

 

 

 

Edited November 1, 2023 by Talorgan

[Wayfaring Stranger]

To what degree can people still 'self-medicate' themselves today? An example might be making your own 'ozonated olive oil' or 'colloidal silver'. It is also now possible for 'hikers' to purify water 'on the go' with a small pill doing it's task in about an hour. If people are already drinking bottled water from a 5gal jug, why not add a purification tablet to it when you open, just to be as safe as you can be about the quality of water you are 'in-taking'? Hot tubs use the same chemical so your body may absorb some, and inadvertently, be healing some 'open wound'.

In the world of 'real medicine' the 'Phage Method' promotes there are no 'super bacteria' possible as a 'super virus' would co-develop.

This vid is one of the better ones as the research the US gathered was taken to the US and put into a vault that was then sealed shut by 'big pharma', as well as explaining just what Phage is:

 

[Grumpy Owl]

On 2/25/2024 at 12:50 AM, Connor Wiseman said:

have written about this in another post that the lateral flow antigen testing can be false representative of SARS-CoV (COVID-19) with just testing for a cold and other symptoms of common illnesses which makes for the perfect product to introduce mass psychosis with stating that COVID-19 is a real virus when in actual fact it does not exist there is just a common cold that is around the world and even more so, the lateral flow antigen tests can test positive for giving an even greater sense to the population that SARS-CoV (COVID-19) is a real virus.

 

To the best of my knowledge, I have never seen any satisfactory explanation about how these test kits work and how exactly they detect the presence of a specific virus.

 

Let alone any supposed 'variant' of such virus either!

 

The test kits were all part of the fraud, in my opinion, alongside the notion of 'asymptomatic transmission'. Many people who were never actually ill, "believed" they were, and were then scared to death to 'pass it on' to someone else, just because one of these test kits returned a 'positive' result.

 

 

 

 

[Maggotman]

They turned a simple virus into a bio-weapon and released it into the fish market down the road in Wuhan, they allowed global travel to continue so everyone became infected then they released the vaccine to control the population.  We all know that now.  They probably got different ones stored away for that perfect moment. Sick.

[tom341]

There are NO  VIRUSES   \Not 1 has  ever  been  PROPERLY isolated,,

Their PSEUDO science starts with their CELL culture experiments and then claiming the dying and dead cells is due to a virus

when the  cell death is due to the toxicity of some things they add, this has been proven years ago by virologist Stefan Lanka 

They also have never taken the snot from a person they claim to have a disease caused by a virus and made a  well person sick from it, and they have tried, but failed

 

All the tests are a FRAUD and provide 100% meaningless results,   Non have  been scientifically validated (rt PCR)   Because there are no viruses

[No Way]

There is a virus is there? Do you know where the term virus came from, and who benefits from the widely held BELIEF viruses exist?
 

Essential reading/viewing:

- The Viral Delusion Documentary - (free link below)

https://odysee.com/$/download/The-Viral-Delusion/c9028cfd2e83fe3e15003a5244131fcbfb0a31ab

- “Can You Catch A Cold” by Daniel Roytas

- “What Really Makes You Ill? Why Everything You Thought You Knew About Diseases is Wrong by David Parker and Dawn Lester

[Screamingeagle]

10 minutes ago, No Way said:

There is a virus is there? Do you know where the term virus came from, and who benefits from the widely held BELIEF viruses exist?
 

Essential reading/viewing:

- The Viral Delusion Documentary - (free link below)

https://odysee.com/$/download/The-Viral-Delusion/c9028cfd2e83fe3e15003a5244131fcbfb0a31ab

- “Can You Catch A Cold” by Daniel Roytas

- “What Really Makes You Ill? Why Everything You Thought You Knew About Diseases is Wrong by David Parker and Dawn Lester

dead link!!!

[No Way]

Go to odyssey.com type in search “The Viral Delusion Documentary” 7hrs 29mins in about 5 parts.

[NeoScota]

On 7/21/2024 at 12:41 PM, tom341 said:

There are NO  VIRUSES   \Not 1 has  ever  been  PROPERLY isolated,,

Their PSEUDO science starts with their CELL culture experiments and then claiming the dying and dead cells is due to a virus

when the  cell death is due to the toxicity of some things they add, this has been proven years ago by virologist Stefan Lanka 

They also have never taken the snot from a person they claim to have a disease caused by a virus and made a  well person sick from it, and they have tried, but failed

 

All the tests are a FRAUD and provide 100% meaningless results,   Non have  been scientifically validated (rt PCR)   Because there are no viruses

Yeah the tests weren't what they said they were for.

They were to check the activity of the VMAT2 gene located in the forehead. It's also known as the God gene as it's where spiritual and religious expression is located. This was said during a "funvax" presentation by KillGates himself iirc.

They also wanted to check peoples DNA, but sadly they were also there to drop the Bluetooth technology into people, especially those who didn't consent to the jabs. BlueTruth video goes into the tests where people showed up mac addresses even though not jabbed. Turns out they had taken a test however. 

 

On the surface, they admitted to the public these tests giving false positives, but that was just another deflection so people wouldn't dig deeper and see the other fun these tests delivered. Even then, people still went and lined up for them as jobs depended on these fucking sticks of abominations. Literally, the mark in the forehead as thats where the VMAT2 gene is located, and a xtian said he couldn't feel God anymore after his jab trial. 

"The bridegroom and the bride are no longer heard in thee"

 

[NeoScota]

I remember when it hit UK. February officially in Canary Wharf as some man went down apparently, and that was it. Covid had come to UK. 

As luck would have it, I was due in Canary Wharf London a day after this man collapsed, and my hotel was 200 yards away from where this guys office was (where everyone was sent home). 

Being from Scotland, the travel coach still went down and we were all fine. None of us masked unlike lots of people in CW, and no-one on coach was buying into the hysteria, but I bet as the scamdemic went on, everyone on that coach went for a test and jab except me. 

I was compromised immunity due to being under investigation for cancer at the time (took shed load of vit c when my biopsy and op were cancelled due to covid measures and still here) so I should have come down with at least a cold due to close proximity. 

Or was this just an actor or an isolated incident bigged up to create fear and set the ball rolling?

Or from what came about was the 2019/2020 flu jabs were loaded which created the environment for the cell network to radiate people effectively. Radiation gives the symptoms similar to flu. 

It's never just one thing they use, not when the grand plan is so important, they are not gunna risk fecking it up with either/or approach to mass termination. It's and/and/and. 

[Infinate_sorrow]

Ya take for example the official story that the bronx ny was 'devastated' by the covid, with nowhere to put the bodies and due to being a minority neighborhood there weren't enough masks or vaccines.  Bodies left in hallways die to covid killing too many for the medical resources to handle. 

 

Please i was in the bronx,  everybody partied it up,  none wore masks,  hookers were in full swing all day and all night.  People playing basketball passing the crack and meth pipes hither, thither and yon...... it was a sex and drug fueled festival powered by all that free money. 

 

The bodies were the result of all the thugs having enough to go out and load up on nice guns and the flood of fentynal the government was kind enough to supply just for the occasion 

 

Gun related massacres became daily occurrences the city wide because uncle sam tossed all the gangs a fistful of cash to arm up with,  made sure there was lots of meth,  coke,  fentynal to sedate and kill the masses and let them loose.

 

That resulted in a gangwar breaking out in all 5 burroughs,  scooter drive bys became the thing since the cops were all hiding from the vurus, as well as pushing random strangers in front of the subway train the start of that has random murders by homeless people all the way cross the us. Imagine same day homeless all over the country just decide to randomly murder someone.  Wow what a coincidence 

 

Fentynal burnt through the hoods worse than vietnam ever did wiped out droves of people until the empty places got filled,  wiping them out again so new ones could move in and so on and so forth. Hell everyone i know almost died during that time not a one from a virus, although 2 from infections as a result of the governments nasty campaign to cull the herd via opiates

 

I caught covid, nasty but just like a weird flu.  

 

Could have been a flu who knows? I have only heard of people dying from it and who knows what really killed them

 

Believe nothing you hear and not even half of what you see 

Edited December 3, 2024 by Infinate_sorrow