novymir Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, GeoffB said: You are a serial liar. The expert and the judges agreed that the 6 papers showed the existence of the measles virus and it's diameter. I don't need to read those papers as experts and judges already have. I'm sure I would agree with their conclusions. Edited October 26, 2021 by novymir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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kilowon Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 12 hours ago, GeoffB said: What contagion experiment? You post so much rubbish. Once again for you. Measles Virus: A Summary of Experiments Concerned with Isolation, Properties, and Behavior – 1947. https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/pdf/10.2105/AJPH.47.3.275. Propagation in Tissue Cultures of Cytopathogenic Agents from Patients with Measles – 1945. https://pubmedinfo.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/propagation-in-tissue-cultures-of-cytopathogenic-agents-from-patients-with-measles.pdf. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/221687. https://www.jstor.org/stable/30082102? . https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19869857/ https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/102609951. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19869857/. https://academic.oup.com/…/article…/34/4/400/832936…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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kilowon Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 Here is the control experiment done by an independent lab for Lanka in his Measles case. I would have post the PDF but it is not allowed. https://truthseeker.se/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Measles-Control-Experiment-told-by-the-head-of-an-independent-laboratory-in-Germany.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeoffB Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 3 hours ago, kilowon said: Once again for you. Measles Virus: A Summary of Experiments Concerned with Isolation, Properties, and Behavior – 1947. https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/pdf/10.2105/AJPH.47.3.275. Propagation in Tissue Cultures of Cytopathogenic Agents from Patients with Measles – 1945. https://pubmedinfo.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/propagation-in-tissue-cultures-of-cytopathogenic-agents-from-patients-with-measles.pdf. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/221687. https://www.jstor.org/stable/30082102? . https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19869857/ https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/102609951. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19869857/. https://academic.oup.com/…/article…/34/4/400/832936…. There you go living in the past again. These were experiments from 1945 and 1947. Modern virology has advanced so much even in the last 10 years. Viruses have been proved to exist. Viruses have been proved to infect another cell. Get over it. Your belief in a discredited, nonsense 19th century theory that viruses do not exist is embarrassing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeoffB Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 4 hours ago, kilowon said: Here is the control experiment done by an independent lab for Lanka in his Measles case. I would have post the PDF but it is not allowed. https://truthseeker.se/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Measles-Control-Experiment-told-by-the-head-of-an-independent-laboratory-in-Germany.pdf A supposed un-named head of a lab supposedly writing in April 2017 in a virus denying magazine owned by Lanka hasn't made much of a ripple in the scientific community and is laughable if you think it is proof that viruses do not exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kilowon Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 3 hours ago, GeoffB said: A supposed un-named head of a lab supposedly writing in April 2017 in a virus denying magazine owned by Lanka hasn't made much of a ripple in the scientific community and is laughable if you think it is proof that viruses do not exist. Do not care what you think about the lab, no one does. What we want is your so called expert opinion on the actual control experiment. First you claimed there were no papers, now that i have shown you the papers, suddenly your issue is with the lab name. You keep moving the goalpost as all shill do when cornered. You are a joke. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kilowon Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 3 hours ago, GeoffB said: There you go living in the past again. These were experiments from 1945 and 1947. Modern virology has advanced so much even in the last 10 years. Viruses have been proved to exist. Viruses have been proved to infect another cell. Get over it. Your belief in a discredited, nonsense 19th century theory that viruses do not exist is embarrassing. So should we discredit Pasteur, Enders and jenners because they were from the past. Should we discredit Zhou et al papers because it was two years ago. Should we discredit Germ theory because it is from the past. You know why there are no newer contagion experiment like those i posted, because virologist knows that if they carry out of those experiment on real life subjects as opposed to in silico/ in vitro, every time contagion would be shown to be impossible. Now about those actual experiment, what is your opinion on the fact that every single one of them failed to show any evidence of contagion? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novymir Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 3 hours ago, GeoffB said: There you go living in the past again. These were experiments from 1945 and 1947. Modern virology has advanced so much even in the last 10 years. Viruses have been proved to exist. Viruses have been proved to infect another cell. Get over it. Your belief in a discredited, nonsense 19th century theory that viruses do not exist is embarrassing. Well, if we replace the word "cell" with: "individual humans", and put the statement in the context of; within the "body" of "earth" consciousness(collective), then one can SEE who and what is acting like it is said that "deadly, contagious viruses" act like, and what the results are. (It's you spreading poisonous ideas, "infecting" other people's minds with those poisonous ideas for profit, power, privilege, and (fun?). Black magic practitioners. Mad Scientists. "Operating". Who YOU defend and admire, and associate yourself with. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2021/10/27/the-abortion-culture/ "...In researching my current series of articles on abortion—in which infants are removed, alive, from the womb, and their organs cut out, killing them—for medical research—I’ve come across information about what I would call the culture of abortion. In this article, I’m just going to quote others and make no comments. Investigate Magazine, Ian Wishart, 3/7/12: “[Abortion clinic technician Dean] Alberty told of seeing babies wounded but alive after abortion procedures, and in one case a set of twins ‘still moving on the table’ when clinicians from AGF began dissecting the children to harvest their organs. The children, he said, were ‘cuddling each other’ and ‘gasping for breath’ when medics moved in for the kill.”..." ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ This is directly tied to the "germ theory" idea and with "contagious virus", "health care", "research". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novymir Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 By the way, GeoffB, does your employer harvest and sell body parts and genetic material from "aborted fetuses" for "scientific research"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kilowon Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 17 minutes ago, novymir said: Well, if we replace the word "cell" with: "individual humans", and put the statement in the context of; within the "body" of "earth" consciousness(collective), then one can SEE who and what is acting like it is said that "deadly, contagious viruses" act like, and what the results are. (It's you spreading poisonous ideas, "infecting" other people's minds with those poisonous ideas for profit, power, privilege, and (fun?). Black magic practitioners. Mad Scientists. "Operating". Who YOU defend and admire, and associate yourself with. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2021/10/27/the-abortion-culture/ "...In researching my current series of articles on abortion—in which infants are removed, alive, from the womb, and their organs cut out, killing them—for medical research—I’ve come across information about what I would call the culture of abortion. In this article, I’m just going to quote others and make no comments. Investigate Magazine, Ian Wishart, 3/7/12: “[Abortion clinic technician Dean] Alberty told of seeing babies wounded but alive after abortion procedures, and in one case a set of twins ‘still moving on the table’ when clinicians from AGF began dissecting the children to harvest their organs. The children, he said, were ‘cuddling each other’ and ‘gasping for breath’ when medics moved in for the kill.”..." ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ This is directly tied to the "germ theory" idea and with "contagious virus", "health care", "research". also noticed how he avoided the issue of how a non living piece of proteins with no agency of its own is able to find a target cells and kidnapped it and then take control of its function to reproduced. Why the hell would a non-living piece of material even want to reproduce. It cannot think, have no instinct and no mobility of its own. If people actually bothered to think about the deatails of contagion and germ theory they would see how ridiculous it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novymir Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 (edited) 34 minutes ago, kilowon said: also noticed how he avoided the issue of how a non living piece of proteins with no agency of its own is able to find a target cells and kidnapped it and then take control of its function to reproduced. Why the hell would a non-living piece of material even want to reproduce. It cannot think, have no instinct and no mobility of its own. If people actually bothered to think about the deatails of contagion and germ theory they would see how ridiculous it is. His appeals and allegience to consensus and individuals("experts/authorites") and entities that are bought and paid for by the anti-human(Spirit) "elite"(corporate/governmental predators/parasites), surely shows he's not interested in Truth or the welfare/well-being of others. The thing is he comes to this forum misrepresenting himself(proof above^^^), and then proceeds to flame and insult the owner(David Icke) and anyone else that doesn't accept his "worldview". He doesn't give a fuck about anything but holding on to his cheri$hed illusion$. Edited October 27, 2021 by novymir typo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novymir Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 Scientism. Technocracy. Satanic actually. Attempting to kill the Spirit that cannot be killed. And substitute inferiority. Oh!.... How pathetic they are!! From: Rush 2112 (1976). "The Temples of Syrinx" [(syringe?)] We've taken care of everything The words you hear The songs you sing The pictures that Give pleasure to your eyes. It's one for all And all for one We work together common sons Never need to wonder How or why. We are the Priests Of the Temples of Syrinx Our great computers Fill the hallowed halls. We are the Priests Of the Temples of Syrinx All the gifts of life Are held within our walls. Look around this world we made Equality our stock in trade Come and join The Brotherhood of Man Oh what a nice contented world Let the banners be unfurled Hold the Red Star proudly High in hand. We are the Priests Of the Temples of Syrinx Our great computers Fill the hallowed halls. We are the Priests Of the Temples of Syrinx All the gifts of life Are held within our walls. [scientific research labs studying humans?] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeoffB Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 2 hours ago, kilowon said: Do not care what you think about the lab, no one does. What we want is your so called expert opinion on the actual control experiment. First you claimed there were no papers, now that i have shown you the papers, suddenly your issue is with the lab name. You keep moving the goalpost as all shill do when cornered. You are a joke. It's not a real paper. An un-named scientist. Lanka probably made it all up. The experiment has been done many, many times by real scientists in real scientific papers which have been scrutinised by other scientists and they have clearly shown that measles viruses exist and they are contagious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeoffB Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 2 hours ago, kilowon said: So should we discredit Pasteur, Enders and jenners because they were from the past. Should we discredit Zhou et al papers because it was two years ago. Should we discredit Germ theory because it is from the past. You know why there are no newer contagion experiment like those i posted, because virologist knows that if they carry out of those experiment on real life subjects as opposed to in silico/ in vitro, every time contagion would be shown to be impossible. Now about those actual experiment, what is your opinion on the fact that every single one of them failed to show any evidence of contagion? You are pathetic. Modern virology has shown the existence of viruses and there are plenty of scientific papers showing contagion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kilowon Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 9 minutes ago, GeoffB said: It's not a real paper. An un-named scientist. Lanka probably made it all up. The experiment has been done many, many times by real scientists in real scientific papers which have been scrutinised by other scientists and they have clearly shown that measles viruses exist and they are contagious. what is a real paper lol? You said those controls have been done many many times and yet thus far you have been unable to show me an actual control experiment, only claim of it. Still waiting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kilowon Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 8 minutes ago, GeoffB said: You are pathetic. Modern virology has shown the existence of viruses and there are plenty of scientific papers showing contagion. Please show me the plenty of papers of scientific experiment which showed contagion through human to human contact. Not interested in what you have to say until i see those papers. However, i do sense a lot anger within you young padwan. Might i suggest a cold bath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scowie Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 On 10/25/2021 at 5:04 PM, GeoffB said: I am done with doing all the work of trawling through a very long scientific paper because you are too lazy to. You previously said that no scientific paper on SARS-CoV-2 had controls. I have proved you wrong. There are many, many SARS-CoV-2 scientific papers who all mention "mock infection controls". Some of those papers may not detail exactly what those mock infection controls are other than the well known protocols. If you want to know the exact ingredients of the substrate they used in the experiment and the mock experiment you will have to ask them if it's not mentioned in the paper. If it's the usual scientific ingredients there is nothing in there other than nutrients and antibiotics which won't have any adverse effect on the results. The paper you linked to in reply to me does actually say what the control is if you read the Methods section.... Quote and hACE2 mice intranasally inoculated with an equal volume of PBS were used as a mock-infection control PBS being phosphate-buffered saline. Like I said, they use a standard off-the-shelf control, not one that is made up in the same way the virus sample is (minus the virus). The control simply lacks the same toxins that are in the virus sample. That is the problem with the whole of virology. The protocols they use constitute bad science. They are not eliminating variables between treatment and control arms of their experiments down to one. Virologists are poisoning animals with a toxic soup and then claiming a virus did the damage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novymir Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 28 minutes ago, GeoffB said: You are pathetic. Modern virology has shown the existence of viruses and there are plenty of scientific papers showing contagion. I don't believe you. But that's not okay, is it? And since it's not okay, then you and your Religious Cult of Germ Theorists will have to "take active measures" against those of us who are in denial of and reject the "authority" of your(artificial-intelligence) Lord and Master...(why you're here...by remote control...). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novymir Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 (edited) 52 minutes ago, GeoffB said: It's not a real paper. An un-named scientist. Lanka probably made it all up. The experiment has been done many, many times by real scientists in real scientific papers which have been scrutinised by other scientists and they have clearly shown that measles viruses exist and they are contagious. This is of more concern actually: Edited October 27, 2021 by novymir "Don't speak out or question! Closed minds STOP thought crimes!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeoffB Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 17 minutes ago, scowie said: Virologists are poisoning animals with a toxic soup and then claiming a virus did the damage. Mock controls use the same ingredients minus the virus. They would have used PBS with the virus experiment. Define toxic soup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeoffB Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 39 minutes ago, kilowon said: Please show me the plenty of papers of scientific experiment which showed contagion through human to human contact. Not interested in what you have to say until i see those papers. However, i do sense a lot anger within you young padwan. Might i suggest a cold bath Human cells are used. There is an ethical dimension with experiments through human to human contagion. Liars, cheats and charlatans make me angry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novymir Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 1 minute ago, GeoffB said: Human cells are used. There is an ethical dimension with experiments through human to human contagion. Liars, cheats and charlatans make me angry. I guess you're probably angry all the time then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novymir Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 3 hours ago, novymir said: By the way, GeoffB, does your employer harvest and sell body parts and genetic material from "aborted fetuses" for "scientific research"? Is this question too personal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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