kilowon Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 8 minutes ago, novymir said: Your livelihood and identity depends on this game you're propagating....you only care about you-you-you. You and your "holy" high-priests of the psuedo "science" of deception and modern day sorcery. Butchering "fetuses" taken out alive and tortured to provide parts and material for your fraudulent "research"("germ theory). Anti-human---anti-Spirit....."artificial intelligence"=you. Fear is your "god". Icke isn't going to change his mind. Too bad! You won't have any effect...anyone with any free-thought left and doesn't have a perceived conflict of interest can SEE through your bankrupt, corrupt, and self-serving deceitful modus-operandi. You cannot serve 2 masters. The one you're serving now has some not so nice plans for you, after your usefulness has expired---and it will. Yeah, i read an article about how they harvested the fetuses. Sickening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeoffB Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 8 minutes ago, kilowon said: You have in no way prove me wrong. Someone saying they did control and actually doing a control is two totally different thing. You have yet to show me a paper on sarscov2 were a control was done. Because if a control was done then the paper should be able to explained what that process was. Else it is not a control. So then you have no idea how the control was done and yet here you are claiming it was a control. How do you know what was in there if you yourself admit to not knowing what was in there? You are rambling and contradicting yourself. BTW, The job of antibiotic is to kill life. The word literally means against life. How can you claim that antibiotics will not have an adverse effect on cells? Ridiculous. Every one with an ounce of scientific knowledge, not you, knows what a "mock-infection control" is. Scientists don't need to explain every detail because it is a well known process. Your suggestion that the millions of scientists who have done the millions of experiments using "mock-infection control" are all lying and it's a big conspiracy that only you and a tiny, tiny number of people are aware of is ridiculous. Antibiotics protects the cell from bacteria that might adversely effect the experiment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novymir Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, kilowon said: Yeah, i read an article about how they harvested the fetuses. Sickening Yeah, they don't want that shit getting out. And that's just the tip of the iceberg of what these so-called "scientists" have been up to for over 100 years. All the big money has been fed into finding ways to assault The Spirit and dream up new ways to degrade real intelligence and turn humans into inferior slaves, dependant on "them". Even get them to worship like they/it(EGO-FREAKS) is GOD. Stealing/hijacking creative potential and using it against the general population. Edited October 25, 2021 by novymir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kilowon Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 Just now, GeoffB said: Every one with an ounce of scientific knowledge, not you, knows what a "mock-infection control" is. Scientists don't need to explain every detail because it is a well known process. Your suggestion that the millions of scientists who have done the millions of experiments using "mock-infection control" are all lying and it's a big conspiracy that only you and a tiny, tiny number of people are aware of is ridiculous. Antibiotics protects the cell from bacteria that might adversely effect the experiment. Once again with your millions of scientist. I doubt very much there are a million virologist on earth. In vivo, bacteria exist in us. So how the hell can you claim an experiment which represent real life does not include the ubiquitous bacteria? And yes, all those virologist are lying or just following their programming from Rockerfeller's medecine. So you saying that Lanka does not need to explained every single details of his experiments. Once again, contradicting what you said earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kilowon Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, novymir said: Yeah, they don't want that shit getting out. And that's just the tip of the iceberg of what these so-called "scientists" have been up to for over 100 years. All the big money has been fed into finding ways to assault The Spirit and dream up new ways to degrade real intelligence and turn humans into inferior slaves, dependant on "them". Even get them to worship like they/it(EGO-FREAKS) is GOD. Stealing/hijacking creative potential and using it against the general population. Yep, Like Pasteur sawing live dog skull and using prisoners for his experiment. Or Jenner and Salk boasting about the amount of animals they killed in their experiment. Psychopaths Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novymir Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 25 minutes ago, novymir said: Your livelihood and identity depends on this game you're propagating....you only care about you-you-you. You and your "holy" high-priests of the psuedo "science" of deception and modern day sorcery. Butchering "fetuses" taken out alive and tortured to provide parts and material for your fraudulent "research"("germ theory). Anti-human---anti-Spirit....."artificial intelligence"=you. Fear is your "god". Icke isn't going to change his mind. Too bad! You won't have any effect...anyone with any free-thought left and doesn't have a perceived conflict of interest can SEE through your bankrupt, corrupt, and self-serving deceitful modus-operandi. You cannot serve 2 masters. The one you're serving now has some not so nice plans for you, after your usefulness has expired---and it will. Oh, look! GeoffB thinks this is "funny"!? Gloss over...ignore....pretend....attempt to disassociate.....deny..... There's your "germ theory". GERMAPHOBIA= NEW WORLD RELIGION 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kilowon Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 8 minutes ago, novymir said: Yeah, they don't want that shit getting out. And that's just the tip of the iceberg of what these so-called "scientists" have been up to for over 100 years. All the big money has been fed into finding ways to assault The Spirit and dream up new ways to degrade real intelligence and turn humans into inferior slaves, dependant on "them". Even get them to worship like they/it(EGO-FREAKS) is GOD. Stealing/hijacking creative potential and using it against the general population. Exactly. The spiritual distortion which they call their God is terrified of not being in control, And of course, it knows that you cannot control spirit in awareness of itself. So it is, through it death cult minions, desperately trying to find a way to subdue us. It does not realized in its madness, for that what it is, that this is impossible, They do not call it the blind god for nothing. I see the same things in so many so called scientists who are desperate to try to boil down everything into a scientism experiment. For some reasons, it seems to give them some comfort against the unknown while i welcome the unknown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kilowon Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, novymir said: Oh, look! GeoffB thinks this is "funny"!? Gloss over...ignore....pretend....attempt to disassociate.....deny..... There's your "germ theory". GERMAPHOBIA= NEW WORLD RELIGION What else can he do, outside of emoji he has no leg to stand on. These people lives their lives in constant terror of invisible enemies. It is easier to blame all your ills on some innocent microorganism instead of making real change in your life and taking control of your health. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novymir Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, kilowon said: Exactly. The spiritual distortion which they call their God is terrified of not being in control, And of course, it knows that you cannot control spirit in awareness of itself. So it is, through it death cult minions, desperately trying to find a way to subdue us. It does not realized in its madness, for that what it is, that this is impossible, They do not call it the blind god for nothing. I see the same things in so many so called scientists who are desperate to try to boil down everything into a scientism experiment. For some reasons, it seems to give them some comfort against the unknown while i welcome the unknown Yeah. That SOMETHING LARGER and INFINITELY GREATER is dismantling this thing as we type, it's shrinking it. Edited October 25, 2021 by novymir 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeoffB Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 57 minutes ago, kilowon said: Once again with your millions of scientist. I doubt very much there are a million virologist on earth. In vivo, bacteria exist in us. So how the hell can you claim an experiment which represent real life does not include the ubiquitous bacteria? And yes, all those virologist are lying or just following their programming from Rockerfeller's medecine. So you saying that Lanka does not need to explained every single details of his experiments. Once again, contradicting what you said earlier. Lanka hasn't written ANYTHING about his so-called experiment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kilowon Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 7 minutes ago, GeoffB said: Lanka hasn't written ANYTHING about his so-called experiment. so according to you he does not need to right, because everyone knows what a control experiment is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novymir Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, novymir said: Oh, look! GeoffB thinks this is "funny"!? Gloss over...ignore....pretend....attempt to disassociate.....deny..... There's your "germ theory". GERMAPHOBIA= NEW WORLD RELIGION Hehe. Do you really think your mocking and contempt effects me, or anyone else operating beyond your measly little world? Your ignorance is not something I take pleasure in. And I know for the moment, you are too immersed in illusions to actually look and seek for Truth. You are terrified of It. The ego lies to you. It(universally) lies to everyone. It's "life" depends on lies accepted by it's host. This isn't about singling you out, this is the condition of humanity in this fraud called "reality". So, go ahead,,,,laugh all you want....I promise you, it will turn on you in the end. Will you fall for it? This thing you love hates you and everyone, it expresses this hate through those that unwittingly identify with it. Your fear of loss is a lie projected by it. If you remain in allegience to it, you are a slave to it. If you really "agreed" with everything else D.I. has expressed you would get where I'm coming from. What do you think "wetiko" is? This is about expanding awareness and dispelling illusions. Shining light into darkness--waking up. Infinite Love Is the Only TRUTH GeoffB, IT REALLY IS. Anything else amounts to a sick fantasy. Obviously I wouldn't bother talking like this to anyone in person who has your outlook...but you're not the only one who might read it. Edited October 25, 2021 by novymir typo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeoffB Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 There has been a lot of untruths on this thread, particularly by one individual, about the Lanka court case. I have been through the court document in detail so you don’t have to and these were the court’s findings ……. Lanka offered 100,000euros for someone to prove that the measles virus exists and it’s diameter. The court papers state Lankas parameters as …… 3. “The prize money is paid out when a scientific publication is presented in which the existence of the measles virus is not only asserted, but also proven and in which, among other things, its diameter is determined. 4. The prize money will not be paid out if the determination of the diameter of the measles virus only involves models or drawings such as ... ... " Lanka lost his case in the German courts and was ordered to pay out the money to the student doctor who claimed the prize. Lanka appealed to a German higher court who decided that he didn’t have to pay due to the following legal technicalities …… 47 “Insofar as the defendant's (Lanka) appeal is admissible, it is also justified, since the amount awarded could only have been earned if the circumstances to be proven had all been demonstrated in a self-contained work.” (In other words although the 6 scientific papers submitted by the student doctor proved to the court and the experts that the measles virus existed and it’s diameter known, Lanka had asked for “a scientific publication” [a] meaning just one and NOT six). 81 “After the clear and unambiguous wording, a publication is to be submitted in which the evidence is to be fulfilled in accordance with these requirements.” 87 “Although it may meet the need of the plaintiff and the person providing evidence to set the hurdles for the evidence, this is ultimately a matter for the claimant, who alone determines what he is willing to pay a reward for. In this sense, it can also be seen by the third party that the sponsor does not want to make it easier for the possible applicants for the prize money to provide the proof that a measles virus exists, which they do not want anyway.” (In other words the court is accusing Lanka of deliberately asking for one scientific paper knowing that the proof of viruses existing is in a different scientific paper to the diameter of the virus. The court accused him of semantics to deliberately make it difficult for anyone to claim the prize). 88 “The fact that the defendant (Lanka) did not raise the objection immediately after the publications were presented that six publications were presented and not just one does not contradict this. The defendant (Lanka) immediately objected that none of the submitted work was suitable to provide evidence. Only when the expert had shown his result that the evidence could be regarded as having been obtained when all publications were viewed together did it become necessary to object that in any case the evidence had not been produced by a single piece of work.” (In other words the expert agreed that it had been proved that the measles virus existed). 103 (5-7) “Evidence of measles virus existence, diameter and non-use of models”. (The following points are the courts findings on the existence and diameter of the measles virus). 104 “The assessment of the evidence by the regional court to the effect that the expert opinion obtained has proven that the publications submitted by the plaintiff in their entirety provide evidence of the existence and the pathogenicity of the measles virus and that the determination of the diameter in the form requested by the defendant (Lanka) was successful not objectionable in the result.” 107 “The regional court assessed the information provided by the expert, whose specialist knowledge cannot be questioned, in detail, comprehensibly and convincingly (see in particular p. 20 et seq. Of the judgment under 2.). It is not evident that laws of thought were violated or that other errors were made.” 117 “In the end, the defendant (Lanka) cannot be successful because it was allegedly not cleared up whether ribosomes were found inside the measles virus at the RKI and whether this would rule out the virus. The expert stated in this regard (protocol p. 9, p. 147 d. A.) that the measles virus did not contain any ribosomes and that such a report would be astonishing and would attract the greatest attention, although the concept of the virus would, of course, not necessarily be “ruined” would be thrown ”. The conceptual understanding of the virus is in fact in flux. The mere presence of ribosomes therefore does not necessarily stand in the way of the existence of a virus”. 118 “Insofar as the diameter of the measles virus was allegedly stated by the RKI to be 120 - 400 nm (see page 23 of the A.), this does not conflict with the assessment of the evidence by the regional court. This size range is within the range of 50 to 1,000 nm that the regional court has identified as scientifically plausible, based on the expert opinion. It cannot therefore be recognized that the two measured values are mutually exclusive.” 122 “As a result, the appeal, insofar as it is admissible, was successful because the claimant did not meet the criterion of the claim to prove the existence of the measles virus through “a scientific publication”. As a result, the plaintiff is not entitled to any pre-trial legal fees.” (In other words this final statement confirms that the court found in Lanka’s favour only because the claimant submitted 6 scientific papers which categorically showed that the measles virus exists and it’s diameter instead of one scientific paper). http://lrbw.juris.de/cgi-bin/laender_rechtsprechung/document.py?Gericht=bw&GerichtAuswahl=Oberlandesgerichte&Art=en&sid=46bf3db2df690aba6e4874acafaf45b6&nr=20705&pos=0&anz=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kilowon Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 12 hours ago, GeoffB said: There has been a lot of untruths on this thread, particularly by one individual, about the Lanka court case. I have been through the court document in detail so you don’t have to and these were the court’s findings ……. Lanka offered 100,000euros for someone to prove that the measles virus exists and it’s diameter. The court papers state Lankas parameters as …… 3. “The prize money is paid out when a scientific publication is presented in which the existence of the measles virus is not only asserted, but also proven and in which, among other things, its diameter is determined. 4. The prize money will not be paid out if the determination of the diameter of the measles virus only involves models or drawings such as ... ... " Lanka lost his case in the German courts and was ordered to pay out the money to the student doctor who claimed the prize. Lanka appealed to a German higher court who decided that he didn’t have to pay due to the following legal technicalities …… 47 “Insofar as the defendant's (Lanka) appeal is admissible, it is also justified, since the amount awarded could only have been earned if the circumstances to be proven had all been demonstrated in a self-contained work.” (In other words although the 6 scientific papers submitted by the student doctor proved to the court and the experts that the measles virus existed and it’s diameter known, Lanka had asked for “a scientific publication” [a] meaning just one and NOT six). 81 “After the clear and unambiguous wording, a publication is to be submitted in which the evidence is to be fulfilled in accordance with these requirements.” 87 “Although it may meet the need of the plaintiff and the person providing evidence to set the hurdles for the evidence, this is ultimately a matter for the claimant, who alone determines what he is willing to pay a reward for. In this sense, it can also be seen by the third party that the sponsor does not want to make it easier for the possible applicants for the prize money to provide the proof that a measles virus exists, which they do not want anyway.” (In other words the court is accusing Lanka of deliberately asking for one scientific paper knowing that the proof of viruses existing is in a different scientific paper to the diameter of the virus. The court accused him of semantics to deliberately make it difficult for anyone to claim the prize). 88 “The fact that the defendant (Lanka) did not raise the objection immediately after the publications were presented that six publications were presented and not just one does not contradict this. The defendant (Lanka) immediately objected that none of the submitted work was suitable to provide evidence. Only when the expert had shown his result that the evidence could be regarded as having been obtained when all publications were viewed together did it become necessary to object that in any case the evidence had not been produced by a single piece of work.” (In other words the expert agreed that it had been proved that the measles virus existed). 103 (5-7) “Evidence of measles virus existence, diameter and non-use of models”. (The following points are the courts findings on the existence and diameter of the measles virus). 104 “The assessment of the evidence by the regional court to the effect that the expert opinion obtained has proven that the publications submitted by the plaintiff in their entirety provide evidence of the existence and the pathogenicity of the measles virus and that the determination of the diameter in the form requested by the defendant (Lanka) was successful not objectionable in the result.” 107 “The regional court assessed the information provided by the expert, whose specialist knowledge cannot be questioned, in detail, comprehensibly and convincingly (see in particular p. 20 et seq. Of the judgment under 2.). It is not evident that laws of thought were violated or that other errors were made.” 117 “In the end, the defendant (Lanka) cannot be successful because it was allegedly not cleared up whether ribosomes were found inside the measles virus at the RKI and whether this would rule out the virus. The expert stated in this regard (protocol p. 9, p. 147 d. A.) that the measles virus did not contain any ribosomes and that such a report would be astonishing and would attract the greatest attention, although the concept of the virus would, of course, not necessarily be “ruined” would be thrown ”. The conceptual understanding of the virus is in fact in flux. The mere presence of ribosomes therefore does not necessarily stand in the way of the existence of a virus”. 118 “Insofar as the diameter of the measles virus was allegedly stated by the RKI to be 120 - 400 nm (see page 23 of the A.), this does not conflict with the assessment of the evidence by the regional court. This size range is within the range of 50 to 1,000 nm that the regional court has identified as scientifically plausible, based on the expert opinion. It cannot therefore be recognized that the two measured values are mutually exclusive.” 122 “As a result, the appeal, insofar as it is admissible, was successful because the claimant did not meet the criterion of the claim to prove the existence of the measles virus through “a scientific publication”. As a result, the plaintiff is not entitled to any pre-trial legal fees.” (In other words this final statement confirms that the court found in Lanka’s favour only because the claimant submitted 6 scientific papers which categorically showed that the measles virus exists and it’s diameter instead of one scientific paper). http://lrbw.juris.de/cgi-bin/laender_rechtsprechung/document.py?Gericht=bw&GerichtAuswahl=Oberlandesgerichte&Art=en&sid=46bf3db2df690aba6e4874acafaf45b6&nr=20705&pos=0&anz=1 Nope. The court found in favour of Lanka on this technicality because they refused to go further and have his control experiment done. They knew that if they did it would have destroyed virology and of course they could not have that. Even the expert, which we must remembered is part of the system and would be out of a job if he admit that virus did not exist, admitted there was issue with the measles virus, as point 117 made clear. But of course, he would not go any further or would have to admit his field was pseudoscience. Virology.net certainly took the decision seriously as they promptly remove the picture of measles from their database and replaced it with Not Applicable. You can go there and see for yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kilowon Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 It's funny how "science" imitates occult symbols Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeoffB Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 30 minutes ago, kilowon said: Nope. The court found in favour of Lanka on this technicality because they refused to go further and have his control experiment done. They knew that if they did it would have destroyed virology and of course they could not have that. Even the expert, which we must remembered is part of the system and would be out of a job if he admit that virus did not exist, admitted there was issue with the measles virus, as point 117 made clear. But of course, he would not go any further or would have to admit his field was pseudoscience. Virology.net certainly took the decision seriously as they promptly remove the picture of measles from their database and replaced it with Not Applicable. You can go there and see for yourself. Pure conjecture on your part. The court documents clearly show that the judges and the experts agree that viruses exist. You have been caught lying. You have been saying all along that the court documents show the opposite. Just like Lanka you are a fraud who uses lies and deceit to try to prove your point. Viruses exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kilowon Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 Although Louis Pasteur and Edward Jenner developed the first vaccines to protect against viral infections, they did not know that viruses existed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_virology Think about the ridiculousness of that statement. So they developed a cure for something they did not know exist. Add to the fact that vaccine are supposed to include the virus in its concoctions. How did they know there was virus in their witch brew if they did not even know that viruses exist. And people wonder why I call virology pseudoscience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kilowon Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 1 minute ago, GeoffB said: Pure conjecture on your part. The court documents clearly show that the judges and the experts agree that viruses exist. You have been caught lying. You have been saying all along that the court documents show the opposite. Just like Lanka you are a fraud who uses lies and deceit to try to prove your point. Viruses exist. More lies on your part. The judge listened to what the pseudo expert told him and even then the pseudo expert admit there was problem with the processes used for the virus, particularly the lack of control. RKI claimed they have done the control but refused to hand over their documents. You can go to virology.net and check for yourself. Are you scare to do so cause it might destroyed your worldview? I have read the papers submitted by Bardens, one even came from a science book ffs. And as expected , none of the papers actually showed any proof that measles exist. I suggest you go and read those papers for yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeoffB Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 2 hours ago, kilowon said: none of the papers actually showed any proof that measles exist. You are a liar. The court papers clearly show that the expert and the judges stated that the 6 papers showed the existence of the measles virus and it's diameter. 104 “The assessment of the evidence by the regional court to the effect that the expert opinion obtained has proven that the publications submitted by the plaintiff in their entirety provide evidence of the existence and the pathogenicity of the measles virus and that the determination of the diameter in the form requested by the defendant (Lanka) was successful not objectionable in the result.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kilowon Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 49 minutes ago, GeoffB said: You are a liar. The court papers clearly show that the expert and the judges stated that the 6 papers showed the existence of the measles virus and it's diameter. 104 “The assessment of the evidence by the regional court to the effect that the expert opinion obtained has proven that the publications submitted by the plaintiff in their entirety provide evidence of the existence and the pathogenicity of the measles virus and that the determination of the diameter in the form requested by the defendant (Lanka) was successful not objectionable in the result.” did you read the papers. Until you do i will ignore your conclusion since you are talking out your arse. BTW, any comment on those experiment where they tried to proved contagion and failed? I have noticed that you have ignore that little nugget Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GeoffB Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 3 hours ago, kilowon said: did you read the papers. Until you do i will ignore your conclusion since you are talking out your arse. BTW, any comment on those experiment where they tried to proved contagion and failed? I have noticed that you have ignore that little nugget You are a serial liar. The expert and the judges agreed that the 6 papers showed the existence of the measles virus and it's diameter. I don't need to read those papers as experts and judges already have. I'm sure I would agree with their conclusions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kilowon Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 22 minutes ago, GeoffB said: You are a serial liar. The expert and the judges agreed that the 6 papers showed the existence of the measles virus and it's diameter. I don't need to read those papers as experts and judges already have. I'm sure I would agree with their conclusions. As I have said, until you read the paper there is nothing to talk about. Now about those contagion experiment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeoffB Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 2 hours ago, kilowon said: Now about those contagion experiment? What contagion experiment? You post so much rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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