David Icke's claim that 'there is no virus'?

[GeoffB]

3 hours ago, zArk said:

pleomorphic organisms are discovered in live blood. Bacteria, fungus, virus  are interchangeable cellular forms

 

Allopathic medicine compartmentalises and categorises disease and illness. There are hidden, ignored and not recognised overlap between illnesses.

 

COVID19 overlaps with Flu, the common cold and 'silent hypoxia'. 

 

100+ years have yet to produce scientific evidence of contagion or infection.

 

https://khn.org/morning-breakout/dr00017448/

 

not one AIDS patient (immune deficient) was infected wtih SARS (highly contagious)

 

they do try to prove their theories using people as lab experiemtns

 

 

 

 

 

Covid-19, the flu and the common cold may have similar symptoms but many who are hospitalized with Covid have hypoxia and hypercania which is more of a blood/oxygen problem not seen so much or in the same numbers as those hospitalized by flu and rarely seen in the common cold.

Also, the 3 different viruses that cause Covid-19, flu and the common cold each have totally different gene sequences.

Viruses have been shown to infect other cells countless times ie "scientific evidence of contagion or infection" but not 100% of the time. Some people get infected, some don't. It depends on each individual persons immune system.

Viruses exist.

[zArk]

35 minutes ago, GeoffB said:

Viruses have been shown to infect other cells countless times

only with use of added poison which caused cellular deterioration. prior attempts without added poison produced zero results

 

not once, ever, has the contagion/ infection theory been proven for a virus

 

pollution and toxins however have been proven to cause poisoning, cell death and illness

Edited October 22, 2021 by zArk

[GeoffB]

5 hours ago, whatastrangegame said:

Wow, this has really turned into a shouting match. I hope all involved do see that no one is even close to convincing the other?

 

But I must say that the most important part is overlooked. I guess everyone can agree that there I something microscopic that can be found, call it virus or exosome, that doesn't matter. The question is if this "thing" is moved from one individual to another, does the other individual get sick in the same way as the first? From what I have understood they did some experiments long ago where sick people coughed and sneezed och healthy people, and they even injected pus from the sick into the healthy, but they were unable to make them sick? I don't know if this experiment has been done again, but wouldn't that be the proof that is needed for the virus-theory to be correct?

Some people shout others use reasoned debate.

It's not just about convincing someone who has a cult like religious zealotry towards a particular opinion it is also about refuting totally bogus claims with "facts".

I am happy to change my opinion when new indisputable "facts" become available.

I watched the two hour David Icke interview on London Real all those months and months ago and what he said was believable to those who do not understand modern virology.

I realised there was little substance to what he was saying and he had been hoodwinked by Lanka, Kaufman and Cowan who are using a quirk of nature (viruses can not be isolated) to self promote and sell their books, fund their websites and sell their dubious pills, lotions and potions.

However, David Icke was right when he said in that interview that 5G may be a cause of Covid. I believe exposure to 5G may lower ones immune system but is not the main cause of Covid.

He was also right when he said that people with or dying of flu are being misdiagnosed with Covid. I disagree that it is everyone being misdiagnosed but it has happened in some cases.

Viruses are similar but different to exosomes.

Cells with viruses have been shown to infect other cells millions of times.

It doesn't happen every time but it shows that viruses can move from one person to another depending on their immune system.

People with Covid are infecting some other people who end up with the same symptoms depending on their immune system.

Viruses exist.

[GeoffB]

10 minutes ago, zArk said:

only with use of added poison which caused cellular deterioration. prior attempts without added poison produced zero results

 

not once, ever, has the contagion/ infection theory been proven for a virus

 

pollution and toxins however have been proven to cause poisoning, cell death and illness

Define poison?

It is common knowledge that viruses can only exist on a cell.

Therefore to infect a different healthy cell with a virus that virus has to be attached to another cell.

Why is the cell the virus is attached to a poison?

[zArk]

20 minutes ago, GeoffB said:

Why is the cell the virus is attached to a poison?

 

The entire procedure used to prove infection and contagion is designed to create the end result i,e

 

using a serum combined with antifungals and added antibiotics they add it to kidney cells.

 

to make it worse they use specific antibiotics gentamicin and amphotericin which are known to damage kidneys.

 

so , yes, they create poison concoction but claim 'its the virus' that destroys the kidney cells

 

what a joke

Edited October 22, 2021 by zArk

[GeoffB]

49 minutes ago, zArk said:

 

The entire procedure used to prove infection and contagion is designed to create the end result i,e

 

using a serum combined with antifungals and added antibiotics they add it to kidney cells.

 

to make it worse they use specific antibiotics gentamicin and amphotericin which are known to damage kidneys.

 

so , yes, they create poison concoction but claim 'its the virus' that destroys the kidney cells

 

what a joke

You don't need to add all those items to prove infection and contagion.

A single cell with an attached viral particle can be shown to infect another single cell.

[zArk]

1 hour ago, GeoffB said:

You don't need to add all those items to prove infection and contagion.

A single cell with an attached viral particle can be shown to infect another single cell.

Hold on, I am not saying that scientists using very technical tools and methodologies can't produce a result that can be theoretically extrapolated but I am saying that all these tests and experiments use processes and chemicals that interfere and create the results. 

 

Dealing with dead tissue has its own problems before it is processed

 

 

 

 

[novymir]

3 hours ago, zArk said:

 

The entire procedure used to prove infection and contagion is designed to create the end result i,e

 

using a serum combined with antifungals and added antibiotics they add it to kidney cells.

 

to make it worse they use specific antibiotics gentamicin and amphotericin which are known to damage kidneys.

 

so , yes, they create poison concoction but claim 'its the virus' that destroys the kidney cells

 

what a joke

Yes, and they defend the indefensible. They gloss over it. They rationalize. They ignore. They profit. They then are complicit.

They then are in denial. And propogate lies. And project their own toxic mode of being onto those who can SEE.

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"...The citation [3]: Thomas H. Weller, John F. Enders, Studies on the Cultivation of Poliomyelitis Viruses in Tissue Culture : I. The Propagation of Poliomyelitis Viruses in Suspended Cell Cultures of Various Human Tissue; Journal of Immunology 1952;69;645-671. [June 1952]

 

Again, the infant’s tissue was used, in the lab, to “grow virus in cell culture.” The cells were from the infant.

My readers know that, for the past year, I’ve been exposing virologists’ absurd claims that they’re isolating viruses in their labs. [4] [4b] [4c]

 

In fact, they create soups in dishes, containing toxic drugs and chemicals, monkey cells and human cells, and a mucus sample from a patient. When the cells start dying, they claim this is proof the virus is in the mucus, in the soup, and is deadly.

 

Of course, this is nonsense, because the toxic drugs and chemicals are perfectly capable of killing the cells; and the cells in the soup are being starved of nutrients, which would also lead to cell-death.

The isolation of viruses is no isolation at all. It’s a fraud.

But it never occurred to me, until now, that some of these human cells in the soup in the lab came from infants, taken from the mother’s womb alive, for harvesting, who were then killed.

This completes a circle of evil...."

https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/

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GERMAPHOBIA=NEW WORLD RELIGION.

Blasphemers, heretics, and unbelievers will be punished and silenced for "crimes" that deny and insult or (threaten) the omnipotence and validity of the "god" of this world.

Edited October 22, 2021 by novymir

[GeoffB]

1 hour ago, zArk said:

Hold on, I am not saying that scientists using very technical tools and methodologies can't produce a result that can be theoretically extrapolated but I am saying that all these tests and experiments use processes and chemicals that interfere and create the results. 

 

Dealing with dead tissue has its own problems before it is processed

 

 

 

 

Scientists use zero or the minimum amount of contaminants possible to achieve a true result otherwise they would end up with a false result which is of no use to anyone.

Unless of course you think that millions of scientists all over the world are falsifying every result just to perpetuate your perceived myth that viruses do not exist.

[Truthspoon]

21 hours ago, ink said:

@Truthspoon

 

Will just repost this as so many posts after I made it and I wouldn't want you to miss the question (I can repost it over and over by the way) ....

 

I have to ask you TS .... and I 'like' you but I need to ask ....

 

You wore a mask and tried to defend that action on the forum as where you live decides what you do and you really have no say.

 

I wish to ask if you have had the injection as .... it would seem (from my little 'look') you would have no choice but to submit to it or have to lose your life style and leave the country!

 

So .... Are you jabbed TS and if not .... How have you circumvented that??

 

 

Most people here have taken the Sinopharm vaccine. I prsonally would consider the lesser of all the evils but I have no intention of taking it. I myself, as I have previously explained on the forum, obtained a medical exemption letter by going to the doctor and telling him I had an anaphylactic reaction to a flu jab a couple of years ago, and am allergic to eggs and beans.. As did my circle of close friends, since none of us are mugs.

 

They have talked here about firing people who have not been vaccinated but at the same time they are so short of teachers that they literally cannot afford to do this. 

I have been half expecting to lose my job any minute and have just been living week to week.... but everything here seems to be at the discretion of the head of the school. Some principals will not allow unvaccinated teachers even into the school. My school I guess is pretty cool and no-one is bothering me about my status. They have seen my exemption letter and they are happy enough with it.

 

I take the PCR test every week which is a minimum requirement, but even then that no longer seems to be quite as important as it was and nobody seems to be checking up on that anymore. Perhaps because here the daily cases have dropped to the hundreds. They kind of think it is all over and the Sheikh has announced that within a couple of weeks the mask wearing will stop.

 

We didn't really get lock-downs here..... just an occasional curfew from 10pm to 6am during which they apparently sterilised the streets and for 18 months I taught my classes from home on a reduced timetable of maybe 4 hours a day. Which I won't lie..... was the biggest dodge of my life.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 22, 2021 by Truthspoon

[kilowon]

11 hours ago, whatastrangegame said:

Wow, this has really turned into a shouting match. I hope all involved do see that no one is even close to convincing the other?

 

But I must say that the most important part is overlooked. I guess everyone can agree that there I something microscopic that can be found, call it virus or exosome, that doesn't matter. The question is if this "thing" is moved from one individual to another, does the other individual get sick in the same way as the first? From what I have understood they did some experiments long ago where sick people coughed and sneezed och healthy people, and they even injected pus from the sick into the healthy, but they were unable to make them sick? I don't know if this experiment has been done again, but wouldn't that be the proof that is needed for the virus-theory to be correct?

The experiments have been done countless time with the same result. Go there and see https://northerntracey213875959.wordpress.com/2021/02/22/contagion-a-fairy-story/

[kilowon]

12 minutes ago, Truthspoon said:

 

 

Most people here have taken the Sinopharm vaccine. I prsonally would consider the lesser of all the evils but I have no intention of taking it. I myself, as I have previously explained on the forum, obtained a medical exemption letter by going to the doctor and telling him I had an anaphylactic reaction to a flu jab a couple of years ago, and am allergic to eggs and beans.. As did my circle of close friends, since none of us are mugs.

 

They have talked here about firing people who have not been vaccinated but at the same time they are so short of teachers that they literally cannot afford to do this. 

I have been half expecting to lose my job any minute and have just been living week to week.... but everything here seems to be at the discretion of the head of the school. Some principals will not allow unvaccinated teachers even into the school. My school I guess is pretty cool and no-one is bothering me about my status. They have seen my exemption letter and they are happy enough with it.

 

I take the PCR test every week which is a minimum requirement, but even then that no longer seems to be quite as important as it was and nobody seems to be checking up on that anymore. Perhaps because here the daily cases have dropped to the hundreds. They kind of think it is all over and the Sheikh has announced that within a couple of weeks the mask wearing will stop.

 

We didn't really get lock-downs here..... just an occasional curfew from 10pm to 6am during which they apparently sterilised the streets and for 18 months I taught my classes from home on a reduced timetable of maybe 4 hours a day. Which I won't lie..... was the biggest dodge of my life.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Things will get ramped up again at the end of the year. But i have also noticed that they are switching the narrative now toward climate change which was always the endgame. Expect geoengineering disasters to start ramping up soon.

[kilowon]

41 minutes ago, GeoffB said:

Scientists use zero or the minimum amount of contaminants possible to achieve a true result otherwise they would end up with a false result which is of no use to anyone.

Unless of course you think that millions of scientists all over the world are falsifying every result just to perpetuate your perceived myth that viruses do not exist.

They do not have to falsified anything if the methods being used is specifically designed to give them the desired result. The average virologist are clueless as to the origin of the Germ Theory and most probably have no idea who Pasteur was. I have found in my experience that those with PhD and other titles behind their name tend to be the most indoctrinate people on Earth. I talk to a nurse, who worked the covid ward in my country, and she was furious with her superiors as she said all the so called covid patients she was dealing with was just people suffering the usual symptoms she had seen every years in her long career. So what she did, she sent an unused test to the laboratory for analysis and it came back positive. The head of our CDC, who is actually a friend of mine, was suspended when the controversy surfaced, WHO quickly dispatched a team to Seychelles supposedly to fix the problem with our lab and lo and behold, cases went down almost instantly. I ask my friend about it and he said he had always follow WHO protocol for testing and he was just being made into a scapegoat. I just smile and said i told you so. 

[kilowon]

51 minutes ago, GeoffB said:

Scientists use zero or the minimum amount of contaminants possible to achieve a true result otherwise they would end up with a false result which is of no use to anyone.

Unless of course you think that millions of scientists all over the world are falsifying every result just to perpetuate your perceived myth that viruses do not exist.

It is dishonest to say that virologist use zero or minimum amount of contaminants when you know very well that this is not the case. They use antibiotics, fetal calf serum, milk and about every other chemical you can think of when running their experiment and almost never do any control. 

[kilowon]

22 hours ago, GeoffB said:

In your opinion which I have shown is not based on knowledge of modern virology but in a religious cult like belief.

What was the experiment done to show that to be?

[kilowon]

20 hours ago, GeoffB said:

There you go living in the past again.

I don't suppose there was a scientific paper?

So you saying those scientists lied and here are some of the papers: Measles Virus: A Summary of Experiments Concerned with Isolation, Properties, and Behavior – 1947. https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/pdf/10.2105/AJPH.47.3.275.  Propagation in Tissue Cultures of Cytopathogenic Agents from Patients with Measles – 1945. https://pubmedinfo.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/propagation-in-tissue-cultures-of-cytopathogenic-agents-from-patients-with-measles.pdf.    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/221687.  https://www.jstor.org/stable/30082102?  . https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19869857/ https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/102609951. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19869857/. https://academic.oup.com/…/article…/34/4/400/832936…. 

And about the past, should we discredit thing like germ theory and gravity because they were discovered in the past? You do realized that every so called viruses supposedly discovered were discovered in the past. Should we discredit all of that because they come from the past?

[kilowon]

just to show you the level of ridiculousness that virology engage in. So this non living piece of protein, with no agency of its own, somehow is able to infect a person, enter the person and track down the cells it needs, among the billions of cells in our body, and attached itself to it. Then it enter the cell, basically kidnapped the cell function, and start replicating. How a non living thing have the instinct for survival is never explained. It is like a woman saying that she was attacked by a piece of rock who then rape her and made her pregnant making her give birth to Rock jnr. The same virologist who claimed that viruses are non living also claimed that vaccine contained an attenuated or a killed virus. I wonder how you killed something that is non living?

Edited October 22, 2021 by kilowon

[GeoffB]

27 minutes ago, kilowon said:

It is dishonest to say that virologist use zero or minimum amount of contaminants when you know very well that this is not the case. They use antibiotics, fetal calf serum, milk and about every other chemical you can think of when running their experiment and almost never do any control. 

They use the minimum amount of substrates to achieve a meaningful result and ALWAYS use a control.

[kilowon]

Just now, GeoffB said:

They use the minimum amount of substrates to achieve a meaningful result and ALWAYS use a control.

No they do not. Why are you lying?

[MarcusOmouse]

10 minutes ago, kilowon said:

No they do not. Why are you lying?

Because he's pulling your chain.

 

Geoff agrees that this death jab rollout is essentially a crime against humanity.

 

A rollout brought to you by the very same cult that defined a vital part of your immune system ( virus)  as a poison.

 

I suppose its a waste of time asking him for a more fitting name for the term virus.

 

Whatever we chose, virus is certainly a very poisonous term.

[kilowon]

6 minutes ago, MarcusOmouse said:

Because he's pulling your chain.

 

Geoff agrees that this death jab rollout is essentially a crime against humanity.

 

A rollout brought to you by the very same cult that defined a vital part of your immune system ( virus)  as a poison.

 

I suppose its a waste of time asking him for a more fitting name for the term virus.

 

Whatever we chose, virus is certainly a very poisonous term.

I know. But i see this more as a public service. My hope is those on this forum who still subscribed to the germ theory will read this debate and come away at least with the interest to explore more on the subject of germ theory vs terrain model

 

Edited October 22, 2021 by kilowon

[kilowon]

Just now, kilowon said:

I know. But i see this more as a public service. My hope is those of the thread who still subscribed to the germ theory will read this debate and come away at least with the interest to explore more of the subject of germ theory vs terrain model

 

 

[GeoffB]

1 hour ago, kilowon said:

No they do not. Why are you lying?

Why would I lie?

Scientists always do a control.

They also write up their experiments in scientific papers so that other scientists can replicate their work to see if they achieve the same results.

The papers are also peer reviewed.

Unlike Lanka, Kaufman and Cowan and those in the alternative media who have been hoodwinked by their nonsense.

I'm still waiting for you to show me the scientific experiment that you said Lanka has supposed to have done to refute Germ Theory???????

[kilowon]

55 minutes ago, GeoffB said:

Why would I lie?

Scientists always do a control.

They also write up their experiments in scientific papers so that other scientists can replicate their work to see if they achieve the same results.

The papers are also peer reviewed.

Unlike Lanka, Kaufman and Cowan and those in the alternative media who have been hoodwinked by their nonsense.

I'm still waiting for you to show me the scientific experiment that you said Lanka has supposed to have done to refute Germ Theory???????

Either you are intentionally lying or ignorant. Either way not a good look. You know very well that most of virus experiment have no control and the paper which started this whole scam, Zhou et al, had no control. Go and read it and see for yourself. The peer reviewed system is broken and is flooded with Big pharma money to make sure only the papers that support their narrative make it trough. We can clearly see this with the Eurosurveillance paper from Drosten et al. As for replication, you know very well that this is almost an extinct concept, particularly with virology. No one replicated zhou et al or any of the papers used to push the covid scamdemic. I have already post the video where Lanka showed his experiment. I cannot help if you chose to ignore it. Funny that you seems to have such a low opinion of the alternatives media. I've sussed you out. I have been member of a lot of alternatives media forum over the years such ATS,Godlike production, the old icke forum, September clues etc and your type are always easy to spot. Claimed to a conspiracy researcher but used all the insults/techniques of those who spent their times discrediting alternatives theories. I see you  

[kilowon]

1 hour ago, GeoffB said:

Why would I lie?

Scientists always do a control.

They also write up their experiments in scientific papers so that other scientists can replicate their work to see if they achieve the same results.

The papers are also peer reviewed.

Unlike Lanka, Kaufman and Cowan and those in the alternative media who have been hoodwinked by their nonsense.

I'm still waiting for you to show me the scientific experiment that you said Lanka has supposed to have done to refute Germ Theory???????

If you are not lying maybe you can show me the control in Zhou et al paper, or where that paper that started it all was replicated