David Icke's claim that 'there is no virus'?

[novymir]

7 hours ago, Truthspoon said:

 

I'm sorry but he didn't insult you.

You however insulted him.... accused him of being a troll and working for the government.

 

In fact everyone here is insulting Geoff and all he's doing is expressing his opinion. Does he not have the right to that?

 

I don't know what your problem is. If you are genuine then perhaps try to be a bit mentally stronger and be able to accept conflicting views. This is a discussion forum after all, not a cult-compound.

 

But I daresay that makes me a troll and agent of Brigade 77 etc etc etc..... 

 

Maybe that's why interest in the forum in general is dropping off and few people come here these days....

 

It's just not a healthy atmosphere when it comes to Coronavirus discussions.

 

 

Oh bullshit.

 

GeoffB is being used and controlled. As are you.

 

You, and he, won't believe/accept that. Will take offense to the idea. Then try to reverse it and claim it is me...that I'm projecting...that all you and he are doing is expressing a "different opinion"...bla-bla-bla... and that I and other's are "censoring" or being closed-mided...or worse....

Sorry...your lack of awareness and misinterpretations is not our problem. Then......of course... By my stating that it will give you or someone else the opportunity to claim I am arrogant or think I'm "holier than thou"...and somehow a hypocrite...

 

Hehe..GeoffB refers to and submits to the Matrix(concensus)(system of belief) for validation and confirmation. The style and language that betrays him is sooooooo BLATANT....I mean soooooo BLATANT. Ego agent remotely/psychically CONTROLLED serving it's larger master. Assimilated. And not ready to break free.

 

The Matrix and it's organs of "information" is not my Source. My Source is Bigger and Beyond this little shop of horrors(egoMatrix), that so many are fearful of letting go of. (this of course will be doubted, rejected).

But...Thy Will Is Done. Instantly, Actually.

 

ps; I don't argue or debate.

 

ps;ps;

closed mindedness is only a virtue when the mind is Ruled By Truth. And Only Truth. And nothing but The Truth.

[GeoffB]

14 hours ago, kilowon said:

go there https://lrbw-juris-de.translate.goog/cgi-bin/laender_rechtsprechung/document.py?Gericht=bw&GerichtAuswahl=Oberlandesgerichte&Art=en&sid=46bf3db2df690aba6e4874acafaf45b6&nr=20705&pos=0&anz=1&_x_tr_sch=http&_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=nui for the court document that you claim does not exist. The article, a hit peice on Thomas cowan, said he surrendered his license in California. Not that he was disbarred. And the fact that you would resort to such a hit piece as your proof says a lot about you. I have look everywhere and this is the only article that claimed that Dr Cowan has been disbarred. Even Wickedpedia does not claimed he was disbarred but only put on probation. BTW, there are no real virus scientist as virus does not exist and Kaufmann and Cowan have never refused any public debate. In fact, Kaufmann had a very public debate with Mirkovits. Again, tell me a few things that Icke says that you agree with. Be specific. 

You haven't understood your own link to the Lanka court case. 

It clearly shows that it was a legal technicality.

This article will help you understand it better where they say "the higher regional court judges in Stuttgart, where Lanka filed his appeal in 2016, did not doubt the existence of the virus."

https://africacheck.org/fact-checks/fbchecks/no-german-supreme-court-didnt-rule-measles-doesnt-exist

[GeoffB]

15 hours ago, kilowon said:

go there https://lrbw-juris-de.translate.goog/cgi-bin/laender_rechtsprechung/document.py?Gericht=bw&GerichtAuswahl=Oberlandesgerichte&Art=en&sid=46bf3db2df690aba6e4874acafaf45b6&nr=20705&pos=0&anz=1&_x_tr_sch=http&_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=nui for the court document that you claim does not exist. The article, a hit peice on Thomas cowan, said he surrendered his license in California. Not that he was disbarred. And the fact that you would resort to such a hit piece as your proof says a lot about you. I have look everywhere and this is the only article that claimed that Dr Cowan has been disbarred. Even Wickedpedia does not claimed he was disbarred but only put on probation. BTW, there are no real virus scientist as virus does not exist and Kaufmann and Cowan have never refused any public debate. In fact, Kaufmann had a very public debate with Mirkovits. Again, tell me a few things that Icke says that you agree with. Be specific. 

My exact words were "Cowan is no longer a doctor as he has been struck off."

The Medical Board of California complained about Cowan and told him to surrender his license as there was a disciplinary action against him where they were revoking his license and being put on probation for 5 years.

Another words he was "struck off".

https://www2.mbc.ca.gov/BreezePDL/document.aspx?path=\DIDOCS\20210128\DMRAAAHL7\&did=AAAHL210129202932167.DID

[GeoffB]

15 hours ago, kilowon said:

tell me a few things that Icke says that you agree with.

As I have said many times I have been following David Icke for 20 years, bought and read most of his books, paid him a monthly subscription and seen him live at Wembley giving a 10 hour presentation.

I agree with almost everything he says so it is a lot easier to tell you what I don't agree with of his and that is that viruses do not exist.

[GeoffB]

16 hours ago, kilowon said:

Since I have not gotten the virus, even at close proximity, where did I get the memory B and T cell immunity from? I have even done contract work for the hospital where the covid patient are kept, still no covid. I must be some sort of superman

Many countries that were exposed to the similar virus to SARS-CoV-2 ie SARS and SARS-CoV-1 up to 18 years ago may have had the virus without symptoms and they have Memory B and T Cell natural immunity.

[GeoffB]

17 hours ago, kilowon said:

Kaufmann had a very public debate with Mirkovits.

I have seen the video of Kaufman and Dr Judy Mikovits and Kaufman was a complete and utter disgrace.

It was hardly a discussion or a debate and Mikovits did well not to get any more angry at the slurs from Kaufman.

The Zoom meeting was supposed to be about the danger of the Covid experimental jabs.

Kaufman hijacked the meeting to self publicise his ridiculous belief that viruses do not exist.

Mikovits assumed Kaufman has some knowledge of virology and that is why she was using technical terms which Kaufman admitted on video that he did not understand.

As anyone with an ounce of virology knowledge can testify viruses cannot be isolated in the dictionary sense of the word because they are only evident when they are attached to a cell. Kaufman should know this.

It is like someone who doesn’t understand science asking for a photograph of gravity to prove it exists.

Virologists have “isolated” viruses millions of times by showing them in a single living cell. Viruses cannot exist without that cell.

Kaufman is a psychiatrist and is very good at persuading people that black is white. Even David Icke, who should know better, has fallen for it.

[novymir]

This thread and a certain character in it is a great example of how the only thing that could fit the definition of "virus" operates...everything "they" say about "viruses" is how they view/perceive Truth....to "them" Truth is a virus to stamp out and supplant with untruth.

The only thing that actually fits the definition of "virus" is untruth. It operates the same a a "computer virus" , except the "processor" is an individual's mind. Then they become pseudo-individuals...pretenders to Spirit, a mask they wear serving the borglike egoMatrix--Psychic Prison.

 

"They" and their unconscious servants have a virus of untruth dominating their minds, as such, anything that represents or expresses Truth is an enemy, a blasphemer and heretic to be destroyed, or something/someone to attach to and distort, plagiarize/counterfeit, or hijack. The teachings of Christ, and the man are perfect examples of that. Damage control.

It is the agents of untruth that act like a "virus". They infiltrate and attack a "body" and the minds  of a consciousness that is operating at a threatening level of Truth. Most are oblivious, they know not what they do. (they "think" they do....but they don't). 

Edited October 21, 2021 by novymir
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[kilowon]

7 hours ago, GeoffB said:

You haven't understood your own link to the Lanka court case. 

It clearly shows that it was a legal technicality.

This article will help you understand it better where they say "the higher regional court judges in Stuttgart, where Lanka filed his appeal in 2016, did not doubt the existence of the virus."

https://africacheck.org/fact-checks/fbchecks/no-german-supreme-court-didnt-rule-measles-doesnt-exist

I gave you the actual court document and you refer me to an article that is writing an opinion piece about said court document. And you wonder why I cannot take you seriously and think you are trolling?

[kilowon]

8 hours ago, GeoffB said:

You haven't understood your own link to the Lanka court case. 

It clearly shows that it was a legal technicality.

This article will help you understand it better where they say "the higher regional court judges in Stuttgart, where Lanka filed his appeal in 2016, did not doubt the existence of the virus."

https://africacheck.org/fact-checks/fbchecks/no-german-supreme-court-didnt-rule-measles-doesnt-exist

Read the court document. see why they caved in quickly to Lanka. The moment he demand that RKI in Germany run the controlled experiment, they quickly caved in as they knew that if they did the control experiment,  the virus myth would be up and Big Pharma/Rockefeller medicine would be in deep trouble. Read the court document, not Africa check. 

Edited October 21, 2021 by kilowon

[kilowon]

7 hours ago, GeoffB said:

My exact words were "Cowan is no longer a doctor as he has been struck off."

The Medical Board of California complained about Cowan and told him to surrender his license as there was a disciplinary action against him where they were revoking his license and being put on probation for 5 years.

Another words he was "struck off".

https://www2.mbc.ca.gov/BreezePDL/document.aspx?path=\DIDOCS\20210128\DMRAAAHL7\&did=AAAHL210129202932167.DID

So you are agreeing with me that he was not disbarred?

[kilowon]

7 hours ago, GeoffB said:

As I have said many times I have been following David Icke for 20 years, bought and read most of his books, paid him a monthly subscription and seen him live at Wembley giving a 10 hour presentation.

I agree with almost everything he says so it is a lot easier to tell you what I don't agree with of his and that is that viruses do not exist.

So it is only on the subject that virus do not exist that you disagree with Icke. So you agree that the queen is a reptilian as are the members of the death cults? Do you agree that modern western medicine was created by Rockefellers?

[Truthspoon]

21 hours ago, novymir said:

Oh bullshit.

 

GeoffB is being used and controlled. As are you.

 

You, and he, won't believe/accept that. Will take offense to the idea. Then try to reverse it and claim it is me...that I'm projecting...that all you and he are doing is expressing a "different opinion"...bla-bla-bla... and that I and other's are "censoring" or being closed-mided...or worse....

Sorry...your lack of awareness and misinterpretations is not our problem. Then......of course... By my stating that it will give you or someone else the opportunity to claim I am arrogant or think I'm "holier than thou"...and somehow a hypocrite...

 

Hehe..GeoffB refers to and submits to the Matrix(concensus)(system of belief) for validation and confirmation. The style and language that betrays him is sooooooo BLATANT....I mean soooooo BLATANT. Ego agent remotely/psychically CONTROLLED serving it's larger master. Assimilated. And not ready to break free.

 

The Matrix and it's organs of "information" is not my Source. My Source is Bigger and Beyond this little shop of horrors(egoMatrix), that so many are fearful of letting go of. (this of course will be doubted, rejected).

But...Thy Will Is Done. Instantly, Actually.

 

ps; I don't argue or debate.

 

ps;ps;

closed mindedness is only a virtue when the mind is Ruled By Truth. And Only Truth. And nothing but The Truth.

 

 

You're raving. 

And I don't mean you're listening to early 90's Prodigy in a nightclub after popping a cheeky little pill.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 21, 2021 by Truthspoon

[kilowon]

5 hours ago, GeoffB said:

I have seen the video of Kaufman and Dr Judy Mikovits and Kaufman was a complete and utter disgrace.

It was hardly a discussion or a debate and Mikovits did well not to get any more angry at the slurs from Kaufman.

The Zoom meeting was supposed to be about the danger of the Covid experimental jabs.

Kaufman hijacked the meeting to self publicise his ridiculous belief that viruses do not exist.

Mikovits assumed Kaufman has some knowledge of virology and that is why she was using technical terms which Kaufman admitted on video that he did not understand.

As anyone with an ounce of virology knowledge can testify viruses cannot be isolated in the dictionary sense of the word because they are only evident when they are attached to a cell. Kaufman should know this.

It is like someone who doesn’t understand science asking for a photograph of gravity to prove it exists.

Virologists have “isolated” viruses millions of times by showing them in a single living cell. Viruses cannot exist without that cell.

Kaufman is a psychiatrist and is very good at persuading people that black is white. Even David Icke, who should know better, has fallen for it.

Mirkovits is another big pharma shill, typical of virologist and their made up science, she used lots of big sciency words to try and confused her opponent. And Kaufmann was having none of it. If you understand what you are talking about, it should be easy for you to explained what you do to a layman without resorting to specialist term which you know your audience are unlikely to understand in the most. That practice is usually the sign of someone lying or having no clue what they are talking about. BTW, i have been a terrain theory proponent for a while now. I studied the likes of Bechamps/Bernard and Lanka. Cowan and Kaufmann themselves will be the first to admit that they are newcomers to the concept that virus do not exist. Hell, even Mirkovits does not believe sarscov2 has ever been isolated. So if virus cannot be isolated then why keep using the word isolation? So all the so called virions floating about in droplets only exist within a cell? Virologist have never isolate any viruses as they do not exist and the only way you can isolate anything is to seperate it from everything else, otherwise it is not isolation. The fact that virology have to constantly change dictionary meaning of words should tell you all you need to know about this made up and extremely lucrative psuedoscience

 

[kilowon]

7 minutes ago, Truthspoon said:

 

 

You're raving. 

And I don't mean you're listening to early 90's Prodigy in a nightclub after popping a cheeky little pill.

 

 

 

 

 

What do you mean? Prodigy was good.

[GeoffB]

19 minutes ago, kilowon said:

I gave you the actual court document and you refer me to an article that is writing an opinion piece about said court document. And you wonder why I cannot take you seriously and think you are trolling?

Read the court document and you will see it has nothing to do with deciding if viruses exist or not.

The judges decided that as Lanka set the parameters of the bet and the medical student hadn't delivered them on time then Lanka was not liable to pay out the 100,000 euro bet.

[kilowon]

6 hours ago, GeoffB said:

Many countries that were exposed to the similar virus to SARS-CoV-2 ie SARS and SARS-CoV-1 up to 18 years ago may have had the virus without symptoms and they have Memory B and T Cell natural immunity.

so eighteen years ago I got sars1 and now I am immune? So why are those that got sars now not immune?

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, Truthspoon said:

.

 

I have to ask you TS .... and I 'like' you but I need to ask ....

 

You wore a mask and tried to defend that action on the forum as where you live decides what you do and you really have no say.

 

I wish to ask if you have had the injection as .... it would seem (from my little 'look') you would have no choice but to submit to it or have to lose your life style and leave the country!

 

So .... Are you jabbed TS and if not .... How have you circumvented that??

[GeoffB]

21 minutes ago, kilowon said:

Read the court document. see why they caved in quickly to Lanka. The moment he demand that RKI in Germany run the controlled experiment, they quickly caved in as they knew that if they did the control experiment,  the virus myth would be up and Big Pharma/Rockefeller medicine would be in deep trouble. Read the court document, not Africa check. 

The court document says no such thing.

[GeoffB]

21 minutes ago, kilowon said:

So you are agreeing with me that he was not disbarred?

The Medical Board of California complained about Cowan for giving an unlicensed drug to a cancer patient without seeing them or reading their notes in 2017 and told Cowan to either surrender his license as there was a disciplinary action against him or be put on probation for 5 years with extra training and banning him from treating cancer patients.
In other words he was "struck off".
https://quackwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/33/2021/02/cowan_license_surrender_2021.pdf
""Doctor" Thomas Cowan, who claimed that 5G caused the coronavirus, isn't surrendering his medical license because he's learned his lesson. Instead, he's watched how other quacks have become millionaires and plans to follow in their footsteps."
https://www.acsh.org/news/2021/02/10/how-quacks-become-millionaires-5g-covid-doctor-will-sell-supplements-15336
 

[GeoffB]

23 minutes ago, kilowon said:

So it is only on the subject that virus do not exist that you disagree with Icke. So you agree that the queen is a reptilian as are the members of the death cults? Do you agree that modern western medicine was created by Rockefellers?

I have an understanding of quantum physics, X Theory and M Theory and the scientific notion of alternative reality so yes Reptilian Entities from a parallel universe is a possibility.

I'm also fully signed up to the notion that the Rockefellers have been a malign force in medicine and everything else they have touched.

However, due to my understanding of modern virology I cannot accept that viruses do not exist.

[GeoffB]

18 minutes ago, kilowon said:

Mirkovits is another big pharma shill, typical of virologist and their made up science, she used lots of big sciency words to try and confused her opponent. And Kaufmann was having none of it. If you understand what you are talking about, it should be easy for you to explained what you do to a layman without resorting to specialist term which you know your audience are unlikely to understand in the most. That practice is usually the sign of someone lying or having no clue what they are talking about. BTW, i have been a terrain theory proponent for a while now. I studied the likes of Bechamps/Bernard and Lanka. Cowan and Kaufmann themselves will be the first to admit that they are newcomers to the concept that virus do not exist. Hell, even Mirkovits does not believe sarscov2 has ever been isolated. So if virus cannot be isolated then why keep using the word isolation? So all the so called virions floating about in droplets only exist within a cell? Virologist have never isolate any viruses as they do not exist and the only way you can isolate anything is to seperate it from everything else, otherwise it is not isolation. The fact that virology have to constantly change dictionary meaning of words should tell you all you need to know about this made up and extremely lucrative psuedoscience

 

As Mikovits says and as I have been saying since Page one of this thread you cannot separate a virus from a cell, viruses only exist in cells.

Kaufman admitted he didn't understand the virological language so how on earth can he state that viruses don't exist if he doesn't understand modern virology.

[Nemuri Kyoshiro]

6 hours ago, GeoffB said:

Many countries that were exposed to the similar virus to SARS-CoV-2 ie SARS and SARS-CoV-1 up to 18 years ago may have had the virus without symptoms and they have Memory B and T Cell natural immunity.

Just out of curiosity, what of someone exposed to the so-called Hong Kong flu in 1968? I was told by a reputable doctor that my exposure to that strain back then might likely have conferred immunity from Covid. Possible?

[GeoffB]

21 minutes ago, kilowon said:

so eighteen years ago I got sars1 and now I am immune? So why are those that got sars now not immune?

Many of them are.

One woman was shown to have natural immunity to the Spanish Flu 80 years later.

[kilowon]

20 minutes ago, GeoffB said:

Read the court document and you will see it has nothing to do with deciding if viruses exist or not.

The judges decided that as Lanka set the parameters of the bet and the medical student hadn't delivered them on time then Lanka was not liable to pay out the 100,000 euro bet.

read the court document and you will see that that was not the only defence that Lanka was ready to challenge the court with. One part of his defence was to have RKI run control experiment to show the reality or not of virus. Once the court realized what that could mean for Rockefeller's medicine they caved. They wanted rid of him as quickly as possible. 

[GeoffB]

1 minute ago, Nemuri Kyoshiro said:

Just out of curiosity, what of someone exposed to the so-called Hong Kong flu in 1968? I was told by a reputable doctor that my exposure to that strain back then might likely have conferred immunity from Covid. Possible?

Yes it is possible you have immunity but not everyone produces antibodies or Memory B and T Cells.