David Icke's claim that 'there is no virus'?

[novymir]

1 hour ago, GeoffB said:

I agree with your indisputable fact AND that the vast majority of people that died had comorbidities.

It is also an indisputable fact from the whole of the scientific community that the virus is real and it is NOT an exosome.

Lanka (a marine biologist), Kaufman (a psychiatrist) and Cowan (an unlicensed health coach) have made a career out of this nonsense and David Icke has backed himself into a corner by been seduced by their pseudo-science.

You speak with a forked tongue.

[kilowon]

22 hours ago, MarcusOmouse said:

That would be an interesting thought experiment around here and elsewhere.

 

Replace the word virus with the term biomorphic exosome.

 

Trying to explain what a "virus" really is - a biomorphic exosome - is the hard bit

I rather not use the word virus at all. After all an exosome is not a virus but an exosomes. So lets use the correct term. Virus meant poison initially and while they keep changing its definition and properties all the time to fit the ridiculous germ theory it does not change the fact that there is no such thing as a virus.

[kilowon]

21 hours ago, GeoffB said:

Viruses are complex entities smaller than the wavelength of visible light (400-700nm) which are only evident when they attach to another cell and therefore virologists have always known they cannot be "isolated" in the dictionary sense of the word.
Partial computer generated sequencing was done early on but since then the full 30,000 bases of SARS-CoV-2 have been laboriously "whole gene sequenced" many times around the world. To date virologists have  taken over 4 million human samples of the virus (not from PCR Tests), gene sequenced them in labs using different types of machines and uploaded the results, which are the same gene sequence as the original computer enhanced ones (apart from the variants) to the GISAID Initiative. https://www.gisaid.org/
If you have a million human cells without a virus and one human cell with a virus then Virologists are happy that they have “isolated” the virus. It may not satisfy the dictionary sense of the word and satisfy people with little understanding of virology but the virus in scientific terms has been isolated.
When the “whole” gene sequence of the healthy cell is known and the “whole” gene sequence of the virus is known they are again two separate entities.
The original Corman-Drosten et al PCR test paper had been criticized by some people. “A consortium of over forty life scientists has petitioned for the withdrawal of the paper, writing a lengthy report detailing 10 major errors in the paper’s methodology.”
On February 4, 2021, Eurosurveillance (who first published the paper) published its long-awaited response to the Corman-Drosten Review Report, after a two-month period of review by five external experts.
Within one week of the receipt of the Report, and after a discussion with the editorial board members, it was decided that scientific misconduct or conflicts of interest were a non-issue.
They were also happy with the peer review.
https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2021.26.5.2102041
The Review Report and the Addendum on the Borger-Kämmerer team against the Corman-Drosten et al paper was criticised by people like Prof. Andreas Beyer who states ….
“The Borger-Kämmerer text is pseudoscience, it is full of misconceptions, errors and flaws. Therefore it is ignored by experts for good reason. The impact it had in public consciousness, however, is fatal. Borger reported on Twitter more than 30 Million views of his “Report” (March 2021) [now 50 million]. Hence I ask all colleagues please to spread this essay for at least a little bit of counterbalance.”
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/351286220_Borger_Kammerer_Corona_qPCR_Pseudoscience_Conspiracy_Theory_Revisited_-_an_Analytical_Essay_-
 

so much blah. And like Eurosurvellance was ever going to condemn its own practice. Only a very gullible person would believe that Eurosurveillance answer would ever be different. If they did so they would be condemning themselves and angering their paymasters. Hell, virologist themselves does not understand virology as it is a completely fictitious science built on in vitro processes and computer generated models.

[kilowon]

21 hours ago, GeoffB said:

Viruses and exosomes are similar but different as understood by the vast majority of scientists.

A virus can attach itself to an exosome which is shed and infect another cell and this perhaps is where many in the alternative media have become confused as they also look similar to each other but they are totally different.

Care to provide the paper where viruses where seen attaching themselves to exosomes?

[kilowon]

20 hours ago, MarcusOmouse said:

Let's remind ourselves of some facts here.

 

This is a so called  virus whose average age of fatality is above the average age of life expectancy.

 

That is an indisputable fact.

 

Almost the entirety  of the "infected " usually have a host of co-morbities, ranging from cancer to heart disease, diabetes etc.

 

Should it therefore surprise you, or anyone who can think logically that a biomorphic exosome, conveniently labelled as a killer virus should be found within those who perish??

 

Or, given their true function as a signalling defence for our immune system, might that be better explained by biomorphic exosomes being present at the site  of such diseases ?

 

 

 

 

Again, no one has found any viruses at any site. Viruses does not exist and thus cannot be found. Remember that all of the samples use for the test where in vitro. And PCR is a surrogate test. And of course, despite what the media like to claim, it is not the gold standard for covid as it was never tested against real covid cases to see how many times it made the correct analysis before it was used. The gold standard for covid, if it did exist, would be how many people got sick from covid after being diagnosed with the disease. That of course, was never done

[kilowon]

2 hours ago, GeoffB said:

I agree with your indisputable fact AND that the vast majority of people that died had comorbidities.

It is also an indisputable fact from the whole of the scientific community that the virus is real and it is NOT an exosome.

Lanka (a marine biologist), Kaufman (a psychiatrist) and Cowan (an unlicensed health coach) have made a career out of this nonsense and David Icke has backed himself into a corner by been seduced by their pseudo-science.

Indisputable fact? So why are we having this arguments if it is indisputable? BTW, all psychiatrist have to be a medical doctor first. Cowan is also a doctor. As we can see with how many doctor that recommended cigarette and other poison to patients in the past, a license does not means that you are not a quack. As for Lanka, he has more credibility that every virologist that have ever existed. He proves measles did not exist and he has done the control experiment that no virologist do when they claimed to have isolated viruses throughout history. The only guy who did those control experiment once, the father of modern vaccine, himself admit that the control proved that you did not need a virus  to cause the samples to show the same cytopathic effect associate with viruses. So technically, he disproved virology even then in the 50's

[kilowon]

57 minutes ago, novymir said:

You speak with a forked tongue.

Make you wonder why this guy is here on this forum when he thinks we are all wrong and anyone who disagree with the official narrative is wrong. hmmm

[GeoffB]

42 minutes ago, kilowon said:

Care to provide the paper where viruses where seen attaching themselves to exosomes?

"Virus-infected cells release exosomes that are implicated in infection through transferring viral components such as viral-derived miRNAs and proteins." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7293471/

[GeoffB]

29 minutes ago, kilowon said:

Indisputable fact? So why are we having this arguments if it is indisputable? BTW, all psychiatrist have to be a medical doctor first. Cowan is also a doctor. As we can see with how many doctor that recommended cigarette and other poison to patients in the past, a license does not means that you are not a quack. As for Lanka, he has more credibility that every virologist that have ever existed. He proves measles did not exist and he has done the control experiment that no virologist do when they claimed to have isolated viruses throughout history. The only guy who did those control experiment once, the father of modern vaccine, himself admit that the control proved that you did not need a virus  to cause the samples to show the same cytopathic effect associate with viruses. So technically, he disproved virology even then in the 50's

The quote from MarcusOMouse 

"This is a so called  virus whose average age of fatality is above the average age of life expectancy.

That is an indisputable fact."

And I agree with it.

 

Cowan is no longer a doctor as he has been struck off.

Lanka did not prove measles did not exist and is a laughing stock.

Again you are living in the past going back to the 1950's.

Modern virology has advanced so much even in the last 10 years.

[GeoffB]

32 minutes ago, kilowon said:

Make you wonder why this guy is here on this forum when he thinks we are all wrong and anyone who disagree with the official narrative is wrong. hmmm

I have been following David Icke for 20 years and agree with most of what he says.

You and I probably agree on many things.

What I can't agree with you and David Icke is that viruses do not exist.

[kilowon]

BTW, my double vaxxed partner, supposedly got covid a few weeks ago. I nursed her back to health using natural remedies, slept next to her and bathe her. Yet me, my son and my stepson friend, all unvaxxed, never caught this so called dreaded disease despite no social distancing, no mask etc. As i have said many times before, this virus seemed to only affect those who believe in it. I am part of a freedom group in my country, and guess what, none of us has ever gotten this dreaded disease.  As for my partner, i am convinced her illness was vaccine injuries.

[kilowon]

On 10/19/2021 at 5:42 AM, GeoffB said:

"Virus-infected cells release exosomes that are implicated in infection through transferring viral components such as viral-derived miRNAs and proteins." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7293471/

Once again, you demonstrate lack of understanding of what you post. The paper you post is a meta analysis and most of the other paper it quote are actually meta analysis made up, once again, of theories. I want the actual paper, where it is specifically shown that what you claim have been demonstrate in vivo.

[kilowon]

On 10/19/2021 at 5:49 AM, GeoffB said:

The quote from MarcusOMouse 

"This is a so called  virus whose average age of fatality is above the average age of life expectancy.

That is an indisputable fact."

And I agree with it.

 

Cowan is no longer a doctor as he has been struck off.

Lanka did not prove measles did not exist and is a laughing stock.

Again you are living in the past going back to the 1950's.

Modern virology has advanced so much even in the last 10 years.

Once again,  you have to resort to insulting those who disagree with the mainstream narrative. No matter how many time you claim Lanka has not disproved measles, it does not make it so, as unlike your claim, there are legal documents which shows that Lanka did indeed disproved measles. So much so that Virology.net has taken down the so called photos of the measles virus. Cowan Is retired and even if as you claimed he was disbarred, that would in no way proved that he was a bad doctor. In fact, it would probably prove the opposite. And please provide evidence to show he was disbarred. Btw, at once time , people like Tesla,and many other famous scientists which are now revered, were laughing stock. People laughing at you does in no way proved you are wrong. At this point, I think it is clear you are a troll, I would guess 77th, cause there is no way someone who disagree with everything Icke and people on this forum stand for would spend this much time arguing with them on the forum of a guy you totally disagree with. No one has that kind of time.

[kilowon]

On 10/19/2021 at 5:53 AM, GeoffB said:

I have been following David Icke for 20 years and agree with most of what he says.

You and I probably agree on many things.

What I can't agree with you and David Icke is that viruses do not exist.

Please tell me a few subjects which you agree with David Icke on?

[GeoffB]

18 hours ago, kilowon said:

BTW, my double vaxxed partner, supposedly got covid a few weeks ago. I nursed her back to health using natural remedies, slept next to her and bathe her. Yet me, my son and my stepson friend, all unvaxxed, never caught this so called dreaded disease despite no social distancing, no mask etc. As i have said many times before, this virus seemed to only affect those who believe in it. I am part of a freedom group in my country, and guess what, none of us has ever gotten this dreaded disease.  As for my partner, i am convinced her illness was vaccine injuries.

Yes it probably was vaccine induced and that is why I am against them.

[GeoffB]

7 hours ago, kilowon said:

Once again,  you have to resort to insulting those who disagree with the mainstream narrative. No matter how many time you claim Lanka has not disproved measles, it does not make it so, as unlike your claim, there are legal documents which shows that Lanka did indeed disproved measles. So much so that Virology.net has taken down the so called photos of the measles virus. Cowan Is retired and even if as you claimed he was disbarred, that would in no way proved that he was a bad doctor. In fact, it would probably prove the opposite. And please provide evidence to show he was disbarred. Btw, at once time , people like Tesla,and many other famous scientists which are now revered, were laughing stock. People laughing at you does in no way proved you are wrong. At this point, I think it is clear you are a troll, I would guess 77th, cause there is no way someone who disagree with everything Icke and people on this forum stand for would spend this much time arguing with them on the forum of a guy you totally disagree with. No one has that kind of time.

There are NO legal documents that Lanka proved the measles virus does not exist.

Lanka lost his case in court and had it overturned on appeal on a legal technicality.

The judges agreed that it did not prove that viruses do not exist.

 

Re Thomas Cowan...... "Conspiracy theory doctor surrenders medical license". 

https://calmatters.org/health/2021/02/conspiracy-theory-doctor-surrenders-medical-license/

 

I don't disagree with "everything Icke stands for" I agree with 99% of what David says BUT he has been seduced by people like Lanka, Kaufman and Cowan that viruses do not exist.

These people refuse to debate with "real" virus scientists as they would be torn to pieces.

Sceptical climate change scientists are imploring the climate change science zealots to debate with them in public because they know they have a strong argument. With Lanka, Kaufman, Cowan etc. it's the other way round.

They only appear on uncritical alternative media sites and keep quoting each other to try to hoodwink the public in believing their very fringe views.

 

Someone close to David Icke needs to have a word with him as he is losing the publics support by banging on about viruses not existing.

If we are to defeat the global elite who are using Covid to bring in draconian measures for nefarious means we need the public on our side.

Spouting nonsense in an echo chamber of similarly seduced people that viruses do not exist when it can be clearly shown by modern virology that viruses do exist is not going to further our cause.

[Truthspoon]

8 hours ago, kilowon said:

Once again,  you have to resort to insulting those who disagree with the mainstream narrative. No matter how many time you claim Lanka has not disproved measles, it does not make it so, as unlike your claim, there are legal documents which shows that Lanka did indeed disproved measles. So much so that Virology.net has taken down the so called photos of the measles virus. Cowan Is retired and even if as you claimed he was disbarred, that would in no way proved that he was a bad doctor. In fact, it would probably prove the opposite. And please provide evidence to show he was disbarred. Btw, at once time , people like Tesla,and many other famous scientists which are now revered, were laughing stock. People laughing at you does in no way proved you are wrong. At this point, I think it is clear you are a troll, I would guess 77th, cause there is no way someone who disagree with everything Icke and people on this forum stand for would spend this much time arguing with them on the forum of a guy you totally disagree with. No one has that kind of time.

 

I'm sorry but he didn't insult you.

You however insulted him.... accused him of being a troll and working for the government.

 

In fact everyone here is insulting Geoff and all he's doing is expressing his opinion. Does he not have the right to that?

 

I don't know what your problem is. If you are genuine then perhaps try to be a bit mentally stronger and be able to accept conflicting views. This is a discussion forum after all, not a cult-compound.

 

But I daresay that makes me a troll and agent of Brigade 77 etc etc etc..... 

 

Maybe that's why interest in the forum in general is dropping off and few people come here these days....

 

It's just not a healthy atmosphere when it comes to Coronavirus discussions.

 

 

Edited October 20, 2021 by Truthspoon

[scowie]

20 hours ago, kilowon said:

BTW, my double vaxxed partner, supposedly got covid a few weeks ago. I nursed her back to health using natural remedies, slept next to her and bathe her. Yet me, my son and my stepson friend, all unvaxxed, never caught this so called dreaded disease despite no social distancing, no mask etc. As i have said many times before, this virus seemed to only affect those who believe in it. I am part of a freedom group in my country, and guess what, none of us has ever gotten this dreaded disease.  As for my partner, i am convinced her illness was vaccine injuries.

 

The reality is that not only do pathogenic viruses not exist, but neither do contagious diseases.  Whenever any rigorous scientific investigations into disease "spread" have been carried out, they have failed to demonstrate that person-to-person transmission of disease can happen. (e.g. https://moscow.sci-hub.se/4021/da48b390a33f0ef54f59d6974a4104f6/rosenau1919.pdf)

 

People don't even catch colds off each other (they are caused by sugar consumption coincident with the break down of the mucus lining of the throat).  Contagions are an old wives tale that dates back to biblical times.  This mythology is still with us because of how useful it has been over the centuries for population control and for getting away with mass murder/genocide (in colonial times western powers would poison the water of natives to take their lands without a fight and then pretend they accidentally passed a disease on to them) and because of how lucrative it is in the modern era, allowing poisons to be sold as cures and prophylactics.

[kilowon]

4 hours ago, scowie said:

 

The reality is that not only do pathogenic viruses not exist, but neither do contagious diseases.  Whenever any rigorous scientific investigations into disease "spread" have been carried out, they have failed to demonstrate that person-to-person transmission of disease can happen. (e.g. https://moscow.sci-hub.se/4021/da48b390a33f0ef54f59d6974a4104f6/rosenau1919.pdf)

 

People don't even catch colds off each other (they are caused by sugar consumption coincident with the break down of the mucus lining of the throat).  Contagions are an old wives tale that dates back to biblical times.  This mythology is still with us because of how useful it has been over the centuries for population control and for getting away with mass murder/genocide (in colonial times western powers would poison the water of natives to take their lands without a fight and then pretend they accidentally passed a disease on to them) and because of how lucrative it is in the modern era, allowing poisons to be sold as cures and prophylactics.

exactly. Could not have said it better

[kilowon]

6 hours ago, GeoffB said:

Yes it probably was vaccine induced and that is why I am against them.

what about the part that none of the rest of the household got sick?

[kilowon]

5 hours ago, Truthspoon said:

 

I'm sorry but he didn't insult you.

You however insulted him.... accused him of being a troll and working for the government.

 

In fact everyone here is insulting Geoff and all he's doing is expressing his opinion. Does he not have the right to that?

 

I don't know what your problem is. If you are genuine then perhaps try to be a bit mentally stronger and be able to accept conflicting views. This is a discussion forum after all, not a cult-compound.

 

But I daresay that makes me a troll and agent of Brigade 77 etc etc etc..... 

 

Maybe that's why interest in the forum in general is dropping off and few people come here these days....

 

It's just not a healthy atmosphere when it comes to Coronavirus discussions.

 

 

There is no corona viruses. And your dear geoff has refer to people like me as perverted as well as insulting people like Cowan and Kaufmann. I cannot accept lies that help foster the fear and push the narrative of a deadly pandemic which is being used to enslaved us. It is too late in the day to be diplomatic with people who come on here and keep pushing the corona circus when to this day not a single virus have been isolated and shown to be, by itself, the cause of disease in human. Not HIV, NOT Measles and certainly not covid. 

[GeoffB]

7 minutes ago, kilowon said:

what about the part that none of the rest of the household got sick?

Some people have better immune systems than others for a variety of reasons.

Natural immunity is preferable to the experimental jab.

Memory B and T Cell immunity can last a lifetime.

[kilowon]

6 hours ago, GeoffB said:

There are NO legal documents that Lanka proved the measles virus does not exist.

Lanka lost his case in court and had it overturned on appeal on a legal technicality.

The judges agreed that it did not prove that viruses do not exist.

 

Re Thomas Cowan...... "Conspiracy theory doctor surrenders medical license". 

https://calmatters.org/health/2021/02/conspiracy-theory-doctor-surrenders-medical-license/

 

I don't disagree with "everything Icke stands for" I agree with 99% of what David says BUT he has been seduced by people like Lanka, Kaufman and Cowan that viruses do not exist.

These people refuse to debate with "real" virus scientists as they would be torn to pieces.

Sceptical climate change scientists are imploring the climate change science zealots to debate with them in public because they know they have a strong argument. With Lanka, Kaufman, Cowan etc. it's the other way round.

They only appear on uncritical alternative media sites and keep quoting each other to try to hoodwink the public in believing their very fringe views.

 

Someone close to David Icke needs to have a word with him as he is losing the publics support by banging on about viruses not existing.

If we are to defeat the global elite who are using Covid to bring in draconian measures for nefarious means we need the public on our side.

Spouting nonsense in an echo chamber of similarly seduced people that viruses do not exist when it can be clearly shown by modern virology that viruses do exist is not going to further our cause.

go there https://lrbw-juris-de.translate.goog/cgi-bin/laender_rechtsprechung/document.py?Gericht=bw&GerichtAuswahl=Oberlandesgerichte&Art=en&sid=46bf3db2df690aba6e4874acafaf45b6&nr=20705&pos=0&anz=1&_x_tr_sch=http&_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=nui for the court document that you claim does not exist. The article, a hit peice on Thomas cowan, said he surrendered his license in California. Not that he was disbarred. And the fact that you would resort to such a hit piece as your proof says a lot about you. I have look everywhere and this is the only article that claimed that Dr Cowan has been disbarred. Even Wickedpedia does not claimed he was disbarred but only put on probation. BTW, there are no real virus scientist as virus does not exist and Kaufmann and Cowan have never refused any public debate. In fact, Kaufmann had a very public debate with Mirkovits. Again, tell me a few things that Icke says that you agree with. Be specific. 

[kilowon]

14 minutes ago, GeoffB said:

Some people have better immune systems than others for a variety of reasons.

Natural immunity is preferable to the experimental jab.

Memory B and T Cell immunity can last a lifetime.

So logic would suggest that all those that do not believe that virus cause disease have a better immune system than the rest who believe in germ theory, cause all of us seemed to be unable to catch this dreaded disease. In my country, Seychelles, I am part of a freedom fighter group, and none of us have caught covid. Maybe the imaginary virus is scared of us.

[kilowon]

17 minutes ago, GeoffB said:

Some people have better immune systems than others for a variety of reasons.

Natural immunity is preferable to the experimental jab.

Memory B and T Cell immunity can last a lifetime.

Since I have not gotten the virus, even at close proximity, where did I get the memory B and T cell immunity from? I have even done contract work for the hospital where the covid patient are kept, still no covid. I must be some sort of superman