David Icke's claim that 'there is no virus'?

[scowie]

On 10/13/2021 at 12:17 AM, GoannaGuru said:

Vaccines/viruses etc, an interesting topic. Ive no medical experience and perhaps it all can be explained easily by a 'trusted' expert. But  that the 'germ theory' has opposition is something i didnt know. It got me thinking...;

 

In the earlier part of the 20th century most kids in Australia got boils. My mum used to speak of how every kid got them. The subject probably came up as i also got a boil when i was a kid. Thankfully only one... it hurt like hell.

 

These days, a kid with a boil in Australia is a rare thing, where once it was more than common. What changed? Diet, no doubt. Which begs the question; Polio ran almost concurrent with boils. Polio at the same time was a problem. A much more severe, dangerous problem and nowhere near as prevalent in the community, but Polio also dried up along with boils. Did a better diet kill off Polio.. not vaccines? Did vaccines get the glory instead of better diets? I dont know, but i have wondered..

 

Polio was caused by neurotoxic pesticides like DDT, especially when they were sprayed around residential areas — as exposed in books like 'Fear of the Invisible' by Janine Roberts & 'The Moth in the Iron Lung' by Forrest Maready.  Kids would run alongside the pesticide spraying trucks and catch the "rain" in their mouths, then end up paralysed and needing an iron lung to breathe.  A virus was blamed so that governments and Big Chem could escape liability and, rather than paying out money in compensation to the afflicted families, they defrauded the public and poisoned them all over again with the vaccines which caused many cases of polio themselves.

 

Withdrawing DDT from sale was the main thing that brought an end to polio.  Governments pretended it was done to protect animals as they don't sue.  Governments have often revised history to promote the fraud that is vaccination.  Smallpox was caused by bed bugs bites — when the vaccinated continued to get it, the disease was recorded as pustular eczema in order fake vaccine efficacy.  The Spanish Flu was really started by meningitis vaccination.

 

Vaccines have never provided any living thing with any biological protection against disease throughout the whole of history.  They are a massive fraud and should be universally banned.

Edited October 14, 2021 by scowie

[rs1978]

I have to agree with DR Cornwells ,

 

I personally know 2 healthy people that were in hospital , 1 for a week and the other for 2weeks with bad breathing problems.

 

so is there a virus , there must be ! is it as deadly as they mention is it fuck ! are we being lied to YES are they using this to push out fascist control / agenda 2030 YES.

 

My point being , theres no pandemic , more like a PLANdemic , but there must be a virus going about that was purposely released , and it was here in nov/dec 2019 ! IMO !

 

I have never wore a face mask ill never get the jab i fight for our freedoms, I listen to david icke i belive in david icke but when he says that there is NO virus its angers me.

[kilowon]

50 minutes ago, rs1978 said:

I have to agree with DR Cornwells ,

 

I personally know 2 healthy people that were in hospital , 1 for a week and the other for 2weeks with bad breathing problems.

 

so is there a virus , there must be ! is it as deadly as they mention is it fuck ! are we being lied to YES are they using this to push out fascist control / agenda 2030 YES.

 

My point being , theres no pandemic , more like a PLANdemic , but there must be a virus going about that was purposely released , and it was here in nov/dec 2019 ! IMO !

 

I have never wore a face mask ill never get the jab i fight for our freedoms, I listen to david icke i belive in david icke but when he says that there is NO virus its angers me.

There is no virus. In fact, there is no such thing as viruses. And even if there was a virus, there is no scientific proof that viruses can make you sick or can be transmitted. Infection is a myth. Why would the perps release a virus with a 99percent survival rate? 

[rs1978]

ok well explain to me wtf is putting people in hospital that they cant breathe ?

[blowonthepie]

2 hours ago, rs1978 said:

ok well explain to me wtf is putting people in hospital that they cant breathe ?

 

Do you ever read any of the articles on Ickes homepage, or watch the videos?

 

Or the screeds of material many many others put out about this bs?

 

Go and do your own research instead of demanding explanations from others.

 

Hells bells

[scowie]

3 hours ago, rs1978 said:

ok well explain to me wtf is putting people in hospital that they cant breathe ?

 

The 5G weaponry

[whatastrangegame]

4 hours ago, rs1978 said:

ok well explain to me wtf is putting people in hospital that they cant breathe ?

Here's the think that infuriates me. Even if no one was able to come up with other explanations (which they have), that doesn't automatically mean "it's a virus".

 

You have to PROVE that viruses exist and are making people sick. You can't just say "well I can't think of anything else, therefore it has to be some magical invisible microbes".

 

Perhaps it's pixies, and it's the fairy dust that's making us sick? Prove me wrong!

[rs1978]

i read all on here and and do my own research ! read 4 D/I books .

 

stop argueing on here fs end of day WE all want the world to be better, but there is something that is making people NOT fkn breathe FFS 

[rs1978]

and on a personal note , IF anyone thinks 5G is ONLY to download faster videos lol they are fkn delusional.

 

I just pray its not really that in targeted areas thats really causing these respiratory  illnesses ! ( BUT SOMETHING IS!) we all know a small handfull of people now dont we?

 

remember whats the 1st thing that fkn phycopath matt hancock said at the very start of this, on the news ! "5G HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH COVID19" if he says that then its the opposite! 

[kilowon]

3 hours ago, rs1978 said:

i read all on here and and do my own research ! read 4 D/I books .

 

stop argueing on here fs end of day WE all want the world to be better, but there is something that is making people NOT fkn breathe FFS 

well if you have read icke books then you should already have a good idea what is making people sick

[skyeman]

On 6/23/2021 at 12:04 PM, GeoffB said:

This thread is all about David Icke's claim that there is no virus so we don't need another thread on whether the virus exists or not as this thread covers it.

We all agree that the virus (whether it exists or not) is not particularly deadly but is being used as an excuse to manipulate humanity for nefarious means.

So to get back to whether the virus exists or not why do those on here rather believe a handful of people who have books to sell (some of whom have no virus expertise) that the virus doesn't exist than the millions of doctors, scientists, virologists, epidemiologists and various other experts who all agree that viruses do exist and that SARS-CoV-2 is real?

(I know all about viruses not being isolated, Koch's Postulates, exosomes etc. etc. so don't even go there).

You mean the millions of doctors and scientists who are recommending we take the deadly vaccine that we don't need and that doesn't work? I'm afraid Icke's word carries more weight than the medical establishment at this point. Whether he is right or not. 

[kilowon]

19 hours ago, skyeman said:

You mean the millions of doctors and scientists who are recommending we take the deadly vaccine that we don't need and that doesn't work? I'm afraid Icke's word carries more weight than the medical establishment at this point. Whether he is right or not. 

seems he forget that millions of doctors and scientists also once said smoking tobacco was good for you and that mercury and DDT was safe

[MarcusOmouse]

Viruses are an integral part of our immune system.

 

Which is why every last human on earth has trilliions of them in their bodies.

 

They are our first line of defence against disease.

 

They show up in  those areas of our bodies which are infected ,  thereby informing the heavy artillery of our immune system where the problem is.

 

The heavy artillery ( t-cells etc) then deal with the problem.

 

Blaming a virus for being at the site of a diseased part of the body and thus the cause,  is like blaming a fireman for being at the site of a fire.

 

 

 

 

[kilowon]

19 hours ago, MarcusOmouse said:

Viruses are an integral part of our immune system.

 

Which is why every last human on earth has trilliions of them in their bodies.

 

They are our first line of defence against disease.

 

They show up in  those areas of our bodies which are infected ,  thereby informing the heavy artillery of our immune system where the problem is.

 

The heavy artillery ( t-cells etc) then deal with the problem.

 

Blaming a virus for being at the site of a diseased part of the body and thus the cause,  is like blaming a fireman for being at the site of a fire.

 

 

 

 

I am going to be contrarian here. There has never been any evidence that virus exist. Nor is there any evidence that the immune system as proposed exist. Germ theory is complete nonsense.

[Grumpy Owl]

On 10/14/2021 at 3:25 PM, rs1978 said:

I have to agree with DR Cornwells ,

 

I personally know 2 healthy people that were in hospital , 1 for a week and the other for 2weeks with bad breathing problems.

 

so is there a virus , there must be ! is it as deadly as they mention is it fuck ! are we being lied to YES are they using this to push out fascist control / agenda 2030 YES.

 

My point being , theres no pandemic , more like a PLANdemic , but there must be a virus going about that was purposely released , and it was here in nov/dec 2019 ! IMO !

 

I have never wore a face mask ill never get the jab i fight for our freedoms, I listen to david icke i belive in david icke but when he says that there is NO virus its angers me.

 

When I was about 10 or 11 years old (it was so long ago I forget exactly), I was a perfectly healthy child who suddenly woke up one morning unable to breathe properly and gasping for breath.

 

To this day, I have no idea what caused this or why it happened, but I was apparently just hours from suffocating to death - it seems that my windpipe was closing up due to some kind of 'infection', and if I hadn't had a load of tubes put down me, I would have died.

 

People can develop all kinds of chest infections that lead to forms of pneumonia, some of which result in death, as happened to two of my grandparents when I was young. People suddenly developing breathing problems, and ending up in hospital, is not a 'new' phenomenon. It's been happening for years. But now of course, any such condition is now being automatically assumed as being 'Covid', thanks to the use of these bogus PCR and lateral flow 'tests'.

 

For many years now, I've regularly had 'bad colds' which turn into chest infections that last for a couple of weeks, where I struggle to breathe properly and cough up loads of phlegm and mucus, not very pleasant at the time but I've always survived. And ironically I've never 'passed this on' to anyone else, its always just me.

 

So yes, I do believe we are all being lied to, and something that somehow happens naturally to all of us, has been 'weaponised' against the population, but its definitely not some 'new virus'.

 

Some further reading that may be of interest:

 

 

[MarcusOmouse]

2 hours ago, kilowon said:

I am going to be contrarian here. There has never been any evidence that virus exist. Nor is there any evidence that the immune system as proposed exist. Germ theory is complete nonsense.

Well here is where we need to go biomorphic, so to speak.

 

As such we need to define a virus as what it really is.

 

As I understand it, that which mass murdering big pharma label a virus ( or strain thereof ) is actually a biomorphic exosome,.. This is  a warning frequency issued to  those cells at risk of infections caused by real-world toxins in our food, water, atmosphere et cetera.

 

They subsequently show up in and around the cells that are in danger of exposure to such threats.

 

According to Dr Bruce Lipton, they actually do this in advance of the problem manifesting itself.

 

Dr Lipton explains this in far more detail than my summary here. Whats more this requires people who are prepared to accept, as I am, that we are far more than just our physical boides.

 

This is cutting edge science, the understanding of which is very dangerous to the existing sickos.

[GeoffB]

On 10/15/2021 at 10:28 PM, skyeman said:

You mean the millions of doctors and scientists who are recommending we take the deadly vaccine that we don't need and that doesn't work? I'm afraid Icke's word carries more weight than the medical establishment at this point. Whether he is right or not. 

As I have said countless times I AM NOT TAKING THE EXPERIMENTAL JAB AND HAVEN'T HAD A VACCINE FOR OVER 40 YEARS.

I agree with you that most doctors and scientists are wrong to promote the jab.

That is why I would rather believe all those scientists like Mike Yeadon, Judy Mikovits etc. etc. that know the virus exists and that Covid-19 is real but blown out of all proportion.

David Icke and his acolytes are wrong to say that viruses do not exist but they are welcome to that view. 

SARS-CoV-2 has been shown to exist over 4 million times by "whole gene sequencing" of human cells infected with the virus and in scientific terms (not the dictionary definition) has been "isolated" many times.

The criticism of the Corman-Drosten et al PCR Test has been totally rejected by the scientific community point by point.

[GeoffB]

18 hours ago, MarcusOmouse said:

Well here is where we need to go biomorphic, so to speak.

 

As such we need to define a virus as what it really is.

 

As I understand it, that which mass murdering big pharma label a virus ( or strain thereof ) is actually a biomorphic exosome,.. This is  a warning frequency issued to  those cells at risk of infections caused by real-world toxins in our food, water, atmosphere et cetera.

 

They subsequently show up in and around the cells that are in danger of exposure to such threats.

 

According to Dr Bruce Lipton, they actually do this in advance of the problem manifesting itself.

 

Dr Lipton explains this in far more detail than my summary here. Whats more this requires people who are prepared to accept, as I am, that we are far more than just our physical boides.

 

This is cutting edge science, the understanding of which is very dangerous to the existing sickos.

Dr Bruce Linton is probably right.

He is also correct when he says that viruses exist "if you have ever had a cold or flu in your life, odds are that it was the result of a coronavirus infection. Yes, coronaviruses cause colds."

[kilowon]

21 hours ago, MarcusOmouse said:

Well here is where we need to go biomorphic, so to speak.

 

As such we need to define a virus as what it really is.

 

As I understand it, that which mass murdering big pharma label a virus ( or strain thereof ) is actually a biomorphic exosome,.. This is  a warning frequency issued to  those cells at risk of infections caused by real-world toxins in our food, water, atmosphere et cetera.

 

They subsequently show up in and around the cells that are in danger of exposure to such threats.

 

According to Dr Bruce Lipton, they actually do this in advance of the problem manifesting itself.

 

Dr Lipton explains this in far more detail than my summary here. Whats more this requires people who are prepared to accept, as I am, that we are far more than just our physical boides.

 

This is cutting edge science, the understanding of which is very dangerous to the existing sickos.

i agree 100 percent  here. But i do not like using the word virus as a substitute for exosomes because to most people they think that virus is a pathogenic germ. But i fully agree with you that we are far more than physical bodies. We are indeed spirit and resonance play a big part in our existence

 

[kilowon]

3 hours ago, GeoffB said:

As I have said countless times I AM NOT TAKING THE EXPERIMENTAL JAB AND HAVEN'T HAD A VACCINE FOR OVER 40 YEARS.

I agree with you that most doctors and scientists are wrong to promote the jab.

That is why I would rather believe all those scientists like Mike Yeadon, Judy Mikovits etc. etc. that know the virus exists and that Covid-19 is real but blown out of all proportion.

David Icke and his acolytes are wrong to say that viruses do not exist but they are welcome to that view. 

SARS-CoV-2 has been shown to exist over 4 million times by "whole gene sequencing" of human cells infected with the virus and in scientific terms (not the dictionary definition) has been "isolated" many times.

The criticism of the Corman-Drosten et al PCR Test has been totally rejected by the scientific community point by point.

Do not say in scientific term. Only in virology does isolation not mean isolation. In all other science, such as biology, isolation means to separate something from everything else. Geoffb is wrong to say that viruses exist since to this day no one have been able to show proof that such a thing exist as a thing outside of a computer program. The criticism of corman-drosten et al was made by scientists and to this day have not been debunked. There is no such thing as a scientific community.

 

[MarcusOmouse]

1 hour ago, kilowon said:

i agree 100 percent  here. But i do not like using the word virus as a substitute for exosomes because to most people they think that virus is a pathogenic germ. But i fully agree with you that we are far more than physical bodies. We are indeed spirit and resonance play a big part in our existence

 

That would be an interesting thought experiment around here and elsewhere.

 

Replace the word virus with the term biomorphic exosome.

 

Trying to explain what a "virus" really is - a biomorphic exosome - is the hard bit

[GeoffB]

1 hour ago, kilowon said:

Do not say in scientific term. Only in virology does isolation not mean isolation. In all other science, such as biology, isolation means to separate something from everything else. Geoffb is wrong to say that viruses exist since to this day no one have been able to show proof that such a thing exist as a thing outside of a computer program. The criticism of corman-drosten et al was made by scientists and to this day have not been debunked. There is no such thing as a scientific community.

 

Viruses are complex entities smaller than the wavelength of visible light (400-700nm) which are only evident when they attach to another cell and therefore virologists have always known they cannot be "isolated" in the dictionary sense of the word.
Partial computer generated sequencing was done early on but since then the full 30,000 bases of SARS-CoV-2 have been laboriously "whole gene sequenced" many times around the world. To date virologists have  taken over 4 million human samples of the virus (not from PCR Tests), gene sequenced them in labs using different types of machines and uploaded the results, which are the same gene sequence as the original computer enhanced ones (apart from the variants) to the GISAID Initiative. https://www.gisaid.org/
If you have a million human cells without a virus and one human cell with a virus then Virologists are happy that they have “isolated” the virus. It may not satisfy the dictionary sense of the word and satisfy people with little understanding of virology but the virus in scientific terms has been isolated.
When the “whole” gene sequence of the healthy cell is known and the “whole” gene sequence of the virus is known they are again two separate entities.
The original Corman-Drosten et al PCR test paper had been criticized by some people. “A consortium of over forty life scientists has petitioned for the withdrawal of the paper, writing a lengthy report detailing 10 major errors in the paper’s methodology.”
On February 4, 2021, Eurosurveillance (who first published the paper) published its long-awaited response to the Corman-Drosten Review Report, after a two-month period of review by five external experts.
Within one week of the receipt of the Report, and after a discussion with the editorial board members, it was decided that scientific misconduct or conflicts of interest were a non-issue.
They were also happy with the peer review.
https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2021.26.5.2102041
The Review Report and the Addendum on the Borger-Kämmerer team against the Corman-Drosten et al paper was criticised by people like Prof. Andreas Beyer who states ….
“The Borger-Kämmerer text is pseudoscience, it is full of misconceptions, errors and flaws. Therefore it is ignored by experts for good reason. The impact it had in public consciousness, however, is fatal. Borger reported on Twitter more than 30 Million views of his “Report” (March 2021) [now 50 million]. Hence I ask all colleagues please to spread this essay for at least a little bit of counterbalance.”
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/351286220_Borger_Kammerer_Corona_qPCR_Pseudoscience_Conspiracy_Theory_Revisited_-_an_Analytical_Essay_-
 

[GeoffB]

45 minutes ago, MarcusOmouse said:

That would be an interesting thought experiment around here and elsewhere.

 

Replace the word virus with the term biomorphic exosome.

 

Trying to explain what a "virus" really is - a biomorphic exosome - is the hard bit

Viruses and exosomes are similar but different as understood by the vast majority of scientists.

A virus can attach itself to an exosome which is shed and infect another cell and this perhaps is where many in the alternative media have become confused as they also look similar to each other but they are totally different.

[MarcusOmouse]

46 minutes ago, GeoffB said:

Viruses and exosomes are similar but different as understood by the vast majority of scientists.

A virus can attach itself to an exosome which is shed and infect another cell and this perhaps is where many in the alternative media have become confused as they also look similar to each other but they are totally different.

Let's remind ourselves of some facts here.

 

This is a so called  virus whose average age of fatality is above the average age of life expectancy.

 

That is an indisputable fact.

 

Almost the entirety  of the "infected " usually have a host of co-morbities, ranging from cancer to heart disease, diabetes etc.

 

Should it therefore surprise you, or anyone who can think logically that a biomorphic exosome, conveniently labelled as a killer virus should be found within those who perish??

 

Or, given their true function as a signalling defence for our immune system, might that be better explained by biomorphic exosomes being present at the site  of such diseases ?

 

 

 

 

Edited October 18, 2021 by MarcusOmouse

[GeoffB]

17 hours ago, MarcusOmouse said:

Let's remind ourselves of some facts here.

 

This is a so called  virus whose average age of fatality is above the average age of life expectancy.

 

That is an indisputable fact.

 

Almost the entirety  of the "infected " usually have a host of co-morbities, ranging from cancer to heart disease, diabetes etc.

 

Should it therefore surprise you, or anyone who can think logically that a biomorphic exosome, conveniently labelled as a killer virus should be found within those who perish??

 

Or, given their true function as a signalling defence for our immune system, might that be better explained by biomorphic exosomes being present at the site  of such diseases ?

 

 

 

 

I agree with your indisputable fact AND that the vast majority of people that died had comorbidities.

It is also an indisputable fact from the whole of the scientific community that the virus is real and it is NOT an exosome.

Lanka (a marine biologist), Kaufman (a psychiatrist) and Cowan (an unlicensed health coach) have made a career out of this nonsense and David Icke has backed himself into a corner by been seduced by their pseudo-science.