David Icke's claim that 'there is no virus'?

[kilowon]

3 hours ago, GeoffB said:

There you go again living in the past. Enders was born in 1897.

I didn't say viruses can "only" be identified by gene sequencing, that's what they do now.

In Enders day propagation of the virus was successively achieved in human kidney cells, human amnion cells, embryonated hens' eggs, and finally chick embryo cell cultures.

So can we isolated virus or not? Make up your mind. You do realized that the whole basis of virology comes from the 1800. Also i did not ask about propagation. I ask about isolation. So how did Enders isolate viruses before gene sequencing?

[kilowon]

3 hours ago, GeoffB said:

Dictionary definition of perverse = "contrary to the accepted or expected standard or practice."

Again, you have not answer my question. I did not ask you for a definition. I asked you what is it that you find perverse in Hillman worldview of virology. Since you have read his books you surely can point me to what in his work that is perverse. So i assumed you believe people like Alfred Wegener, Tesla, semmelweis, bolzmann  etc views were all perverse, right?

[novymir]

4 minutes ago, kilowon said:

So can we isolated virus or not? Make up your mind. You do realized that the whole basis of virology comes from the 1800. Also i did not ask about propagation. I ask about isolation. So how did Enders isolate viruses before gene sequencing?

What is an "energy-vampire"?

 

[kilowon]

2 hours ago, GeoffB said:

The decision said nothing about the existence or non-existence of the measles virus, emphasized judge Oleschkewitz. The Chamber could not judge that at all. "It's a purely legal decision," he said. The only sticking point is the formulation of the claim.

The three judges did not doubt the existence of the virus, but in the opinion of the court, the six studies presented did not comply with the claim. Lanka had asked for work to prove the existence and size of the measles virus. “Bardens did not present this one piece of work,” writes the Schwäbische Zeitung in its live reporting.

Formally, it was not about a bet or a competition, but about an advertisement, according to the judges in their reasoning. The organizer alone can determine the rules - and decide when the criteria are met.

https://www.deutsche-apotheker-zeitung.de/news/artikel/2016/02/16/erfolg-fur-impfgegner-bei-masern-wette

Again, go and read the court transcript. The Judges belief in the germ theory was not on trial there and is thus immaterial. It was whether Bardens provided proof of the existence of the measles virus. He could not. And certainly virology.net took the judgement seriously as they remove the picture of the measles virus from their database after the judgement was rendered.

[kilowon]

2 minutes ago, novymir said:

What is an "energy-vampire"?

 

Come again. Did not understand the question

[GeoffB]

41 minutes ago, kilowon said:

Again, go and read the court transcript. The Judges belief in the germ theory was not on trial there and is thus immaterial. It was whether Bardens provided proof of the existence of the measles virus. He could not. And certainly virology.net took the judgement seriously as they remove the picture of the measles virus from their database after the judgement was rendered.

Bardens was a trainee student doctor at the time and the 6 papers he chose was proof enough for the first trial but a technicality on appeal meant Lanka didn't have to pay out on his bet.

The verdict doesn't change the fact that viruses exist.

[GeoffB]

50 minutes ago, kilowon said:

Again, you have not answer my question. I did not ask you for a definition. I asked you what is it that you find perverse in Hillman worldview of virology. Since you have read his books you surely can point me to what in his work that is perverse. So i assumed you believe people like Alfred Wegener, Tesla, semmelweis, bolzmann  etc views were all perverse, right?

I also find your worldview of virology perverse for the reasons and repetitive questions you keep bothering me with.

[GeoffB]

1 hour ago, kilowon said:

So can we isolated virus or not? Make up your mind. You do realized that the whole basis of virology comes from the 1800. Also i did not ask about propagation. I ask about isolation. So how did Enders isolate viruses before gene sequencing?

Going back to 1800 now.

Please keep up with modern virology.

I have said on here countless times that viruses can NOT be isolated in the true sense of the word.

However, they can be proved to exist via modern gene sequencing.

[GeoffB]

1 hour ago, kilowon said:

WOW. It must make you feel so much better about your life to call others who have differing opinion from you gullible. After all, you are all knowing. Funnily enough, i discover Lanka well after i sussed out germ theory. But you do know better right? Also i noticed you avoiding posting your scientific evidences that shows his products are snake oil. Still waiting on that one. Get to it. 

Anyone who believes in Lanka or Kaufman is gullible because they are snake oil salesmen with dodgy products to sell because they want to make money and achieve fame which they haven't been able to do as a marine biologist and as a psychiatrist.

I am not in the slightest bit interested in analysing their hokum products just to satisfy you.

Anyone else who has a different opinion to me I have NOT called gullible.

 

[Grumpy Owl]

@GeoffBI think we're all going to have to agree to disagree on this, and this is all just a difference of opinion.

 

Clearly we're on the 'same side' here, but there is a danger - as I keep pointing out the similarities with 9/11 researchers - that the 'conspiracy reseachers' and those interested in such matters are being divided up into factions.

 

There are those researchers who would like us all to believe that this Covid-19 coronavirus is real, and that it is all the fault of China, whether it is a 'bioweapon', or released deliberately or accidentally.

 

Then there are those that this coronavirus doesn't exist, and this is all just a really bad flu season, with the 'reaction' being over-exaggerated as an excuse to bring in more authoritarian control of the population.

 

And going back to 9/11, lots of people expended lots of energy arguing and debating about 'how' the towers were brought down - controlled demolition, directed energy weapons, "no planes" etc.

 

Whichever opinion you lean towards, we can all agree that this is some kind of 'hoax' or scam, and the fake pandemic is being used to push some kind of agenda.

 

 

[kilowon]

13 hours ago, GeoffB said:

I also find your worldview of virology perverse for the reasons and repetitive questions you keep bothering me with.

if you are bothered why do you keep answering? Just admit that you do not have the answers to those question and move on. And this is what I am going to do. Move on. You are not going to ever be able to convinced me that virus exist and clearly I will not convince you. So it is a waste of time to argue. 

Edited August 21, 2021 by kilowon

[kilowon]

11 hours ago, Grumpy Owl said:

@GeoffBI think we're all going to have to agree to disagree on this, and this is all just a difference of opinion.

 

Clearly we're on the 'same side' here, but there is a danger - as I keep pointing out the similarities with 9/11 researchers - that the 'conspiracy reseachers' and those interested in such matters are being divided up into factions.

 

There are those researchers who would like us all to believe that this Covid-19 coronavirus is real, and that it is all the fault of China, whether it is a 'bioweapon', or released deliberately or accidentally.

 

Then there are those that this coronavirus doesn't exist, and this is all just a really bad flu season, with the 'reaction' being over-exaggerated as an excuse to bring in more authoritarian control of the population.

 

And going back to 9/11, lots of people expended lots of energy arguing and debating about 'how' the towers were brought down - controlled demolition, directed energy weapons, "no planes" etc.

 

Whichever opinion you lean towards, we can all agree that this is some kind of 'hoax' or scam, and the fake pandemic is being used to push some kind of agenda.

 

 

We are not on the same side. To win this we have to show people that the very foundation of this scam, that is the virus, does not exist. Because once we do that the fear of an invisible enemy is gone and those peddling the fear will no longer have power over the people. We need to destroy that fear and the only way to do so is for people to see that there is no invisible virus out there trying to get them. Else they will keep coming up with new viruses/variant ad infinitum. However i have said my peace on this matter and will move on.

[DarianF]

3 minutes ago, kilowon said:

We are not on the same side. To win this we have to show people that the very foundation of this scam, that is the virus, does not exist. Because once we do that the fear of an invisible enemy is gone and those peddling the fear will no longer have power over the people. We need to destroy that fear and the only way to do so is for people to see that there is no invisible virus out there trying to get them. Else they will keep coming up with new viruses/variant ad infinitum. However i have said my peace on this matter and will move on.

 

Where are all the dead bodies? Show me all the funeral directors that are overwhelmed. Show me the extra graveyard space for all these supposed excess covid deaths. Fuck, there must be a massive wood shortage for all the extra coffins for this supposed deadly virus.

 

Believing there's a virus, you would have to be mentally retarded.

Edited August 21, 2021 by DarianF

[GeoffB]

12 hours ago, Grumpy Owl said:

There are those researchers who would like us all to believe that this Covid-19 coronavirus is real, and that it is all the fault of China, whether it is a 'bioweapon', or released deliberately or accidentally.

 

Then there are those that this coronavirus doesn't exist, and this is all just a really bad flu season, with the 'reaction' being over-exaggerated as an excuse to bring in more authoritarian control of the population.

There is actually a third group which keep asking me questions that deny the very existence of ALL viruses like flu, measles and the common cold.

The rest of your post is spot on other than the US maybe behind a deliberate virus leak.

 

[GeoffB]

1 hour ago, kilowon said:

if you are bothered why do you keep answering? Just admit that you do not have the answers to those question and move on. And this is what I am going to do. Move on. You are not going to ever be able to convinced me that virus exist and clearly I will not convince you. So it is a waste of time to argue. 

Because I am polite I have answered all your questions and pleased to hear you are going to "move on" and not ask any more.

[GeoffB]

1 hour ago, DarianF said:

 

Where are all the dead bodies? Show me all the funeral directors that are overwhelmed. Show me the extra graveyard space for all these supposed excess covid deaths. Fuck, there must be a massive wood shortage for all the extra coffins for this supposed deadly virus.

 

Believing there's a virus, you would have to be mentally retarded.

In 2020 the Age Standardised Mortality was the highest it had been for 12 years after year on year decline.

In the whole scheme of things it was a blip but something caused those deaths even if the average age was 82 and the most likely cause was a new virus which has been shown to exist many, many times by modern gene sequencing.

Suggesting distinguished people in the alternative media and elsewhere are "mentally retarded" says more about you than it does them.

[DarianF]

4 minutes ago, GeoffB said:

In 2020 the Age Standardised Mortality was the highest it had been for 12 years after year on year decline.

In the whole scheme of things it was a blip but something caused those deaths even if the average age was 82 and the most likely cause was a new virus which has been shown to exist many, many times by modern gene sequencing.

Suggesting distinguished people in the alternative media and elsewhere are "mentally retarded" says more about you than it does them.

 

 

[Fifth element]

Its just a another different strain of a cold or flu...

Depopulation agenda to weaken peoples immune systems with masks lockdowns anti social distancing crap hand sanitisers.....Serious mind control..

Fake tests and pricks of crap substances......

Michael Jackson use to wear masks,I thought he was weird then...

A real crisis half the population would probably go insane,denial what really in front of their face,yet they believe all this nonsense.

 

 

Edited August 21, 2021 by Fifth element

[scowie]

On 8/21/2021 at 9:42 AM, GeoffB said:

In 2020 the Age Standardised Mortality was the highest it had been for 12 years after year on year decline.

In the whole scheme of things it was a blip but something caused those deaths even if the average age was 82 and the most likely cause was a new virus which has been shown to exist many, many times by modern gene sequencing.

Suggesting distinguished people in the alternative media and elsewhere are "mentally retarded" says more about you than it does them.

 

There was certainly a death surplus.  Governments caused those deaths.  They were homicides.  Their weapons of choice were 5G + ventilators/Remdesivir, and euthanasia of the elderly by midazolam & opioids plus dehydration/starvation or via the vaccines.

 

You can't prove a virus exists with gene sequencing.  You can prove an exosome exists that way.  The word "virus" means poison so it is only appropriate to call a thing a virus if you can prove that it is able to cause disease — something that has never been properly done.  No virologist has ever proven any of our "viral" diseases to be caused by an alleged virus with an adequately-controlled experiment.  This is one where the control is made up in the same way the virus sample was, only you start with taking a biological specimen from a healthy person rather than a sick one.  This is to ensure that the control contains the same toxins the virus sample does so that you can't go and blame a "virus" for disease caused by the toxins (with sars-cov2, for example, the viral transport medium contains the toxins Gentamicin sulfate + Amphotericin B).

 

Viruses and contagious diseases are mythical constructs.  Belief in these things and that vaccines can protect you from them is essentially the worlds most widely-held religious belief.

[Nick Myer]

On 6/7/2021 at 9:28 PM, DrCornwallis said:

I mean, c'mon to fk, seriously?

 

Surely LOADS of people in here (followers of David Icke), must have either caught, or know someone who caught this weird as fk lurgy, around Dec19/Jan20 and beyond, with all these really weird symptoms, unlike any other cold/flu they ever had, that lasted for ages, went away, then came back, then went away, and came back again.....leaving many with quite concerning after effects. Heard of lots of people been coughing their lungs up ever since.....I personally developed symptoms that made me quite concerned for my cardio vascular health, although the doc assures me that my cardiogram and blood test results are all good.

 

I aint getting the Vaxx, and everyone who gets the Vaxx drops dead over next winter's round of cold n flu bugs which they will dress up as new variants, then that is fine by me....

 

....But THERE IS DEFINITELY A VIRUS?

 

Why does he have to peddle this 'there is no virus b.s.'? Half the country caught it before Covid was even a brand name.

 

(or am I just a 77th Brigade agitor/bot/spy/spook/infiltrator etc etc)

 

(only 1 post! That gives the game away a bit don't you all think?)

Worth noting that, for years before "Covid" hit the headlines people. (mostly activists sharing that info) have been complaining about all sorts of mystery symptoms that fit within the long list of ailments  Covid is alleged to cause. It's also worth noting that a war waged against Humanity to control and depopulate, isn't likely to use a single method for stealth harm, but a maximum array of methods that will include multiple forms of Bio-Warfare, Bio-Tech/Nano Tech/RF Warfare/Microwave Warfare/EW, Bio-engineered parasites, "vaccine" Bio-weapons eugenics via mass jabbing and anything else they can dream up. Branding everything those methods and more cause as "Covid", would be more than convenient as it stops people looking for any other causes for those symptoms.  Thus, a known to be flawed PCR test, is a handy tool to further such an agenda.

One of the biggest Elephants in this living room, now called hell on Earth, is chemtrails. Very real, even if you decide to call them GeoEngineering. The problem with that agenda is, it clearly has many facets that can be hidden under a banner name Solar Radiation Management.  Aka their GeoEngineering alibi. "They're just trying to save Earth".. Yeah sure they are..

So-Anything can be sprayed over us all by planes, that gets into us all to have any effect that those doing it, design it to have.  What they often spray is known to be toxic,, it's been tested, which of course would induce flu-like chemically/toxic metals induced symptoms and a whole lot more. Not a great toxic nano-particulate combo with microwave radiation.

 

So "Covid" didn't bring too much of anything new but really was just a trigger to enhance, widen and ramp up the war against Humanity which includes much more intense microwave radiation saturation and targeting people to include via the weaponized smart grid. So, those doing this shit have a wide choice of ways to make people sick and many have known about this for years. Chem flu is still a thing as are the effects of microwave frequency radiation. 

[GeoffB]

On 8/30/2021 at 6:04 PM, scowie said:

 

There was certainly a death surplus.  Governments caused those deaths.  They were homicides.  Their weapons of choice were 5G + ventilators/Remdesivir, and euthanasia of the elderly by midazolam & opioids plus dehydration/starvation or via the vaccines.

 

You can't prove a virus exists with gene sequencing.  You can prove an exosome exists that way.  The word "virus" means poison so it is only appropriate to call a thing a virus if you can prove that it is able to cause disease — something that has never been properly done.  No virologist has ever proven any of our "viral" diseases to be caused by an alleged virus with an adequately-controlled experiment.  This is one where the control is made up in the same way the virus sample was, only you start with taking a biological specimen from a healthy person rather than a sick one.  This is to ensure that the control contains the same toxins the virus sample does so that you can't go and blame a "virus" for disease caused by the toxins (with sars-cov2, for example, the viral transport medium contains the toxins Gentamicin sulfate + Amphotericin B).

 

Viruses and contagious diseases are mythical constructs.  Belief in these things and that vaccines can protect you from them is essentially the worlds most widely-held religious belief.

Yes 5G may be harmful to health.

Yes the misuse of ventilators caused some deaths of people who were in Intensive Care with a virus.

Yes the elderly died because of mistreatment.

These things all happened before a Covid vaccine came on the scene and Yes these vaccines are now killing people.

The blip in the excess deaths shows it was most likely caused by a virus contrary to the above video by Sam Bailey who has a book to sell and a website to finance for the gullible and who is ridiculed by the scientific community.

Yes you CAN prove a virus exists by “Whole Gene Sequencing”.

Viruses and Exosomes are two different entities.

Virologist have often proved our "viral" diseases are caused by an alleged virus with an “adequately-controlled experiment”.

If you have a million human cells without a virus and one human cell with a virus then Virologists are happy that they have “isolated” the virus. It may not satisfy the dictionary sense of the word and satisfy people with little understanding of virology but the virus in scientific terms has been isolated.

When the “whole” gene sequence of the healthy cell is known and the “whole” gene sequence of the virus is known they are again two separate entities.

(“Whole” gene sequence means that all of the 30,000 bases of SARS-CoV-2 have been laboriously gene sequenced and NOT, as was done in the early cases, just the end bases and the rest computer generated.)

“Whole gene sequencing” of this virus and it’s thousands of variants has been done thousands of times by highly skilled virologists all round the world.

That virus can then be shown to infect another person in many cases.

“Viruses and contagious diseases are mythical constructs” to you and some others who don’t understand modern virology but in the real world it doesn’t mean they do not exist.

Vaccines offer some protection but at a risk of vaccine damage and that is why I haven’t had a vaccine for over 35 years even though I am in an at risk group because of my age.

Yes there is a Covid scamdemic and possibly even a plandemic but to suggest that viruses do not exist is barking up the wrong tree and deflecting from the perpetrators of this Global Elite money and power grab and dividing the alternative media against them.

[MarcusOmouse]

The bodies natural reaction to toxins from our environment was formerly referred to as the common cold, for which there is obviously no cure, since the high fever, mucus etc are the bodies natural way of healing itself.

 

Along came big pharma, converting the common cold into the flu, and subsequently viruses, of which corona is simply an example.

 

Essentially they have redesignated the bodies natural immune system as the cause of a sickness - making billions in the process and ensuring you pay them for the privilege.

 

They call them viruses. But they do not cause sickness.

 

Using their definition of the term therefore there is no virus.

 

There is no virus.

[blowonthepie]

2 hours ago, MarcusOmouse said:

The bodies natural reaction to toxins from our environment was formerly referred to as the common cold, for which there is obviously no cure, since the high fever, mucus etc are the bodies natural way of healing itself.

 

Along came big pharma, converting the common cold into the flu, and subsequently viruses, of which corona is simply an example.

 

Essentially they have redesignated the bodies natural immune system as the cause of a sickness - making billions in the process and ensuring you pay them for the privilege.

 

They call them viruses. But they do not cause sickness.

 

Using their definition of the term therefore there is no virus.

 

There is no virus.

 

I agree with you 100% and have known right from the start it’s bs.

 

Ive been ‘following’ Icke (and read others in the ‘truth movement’) - without being sycophantic about it - for many years, and having done so, came to the above conclusion.

 

And with all the absolute about faces, in your face utter lies, and just utter nonsense, my opinion only strengthened; to me, it’s right there, plain and simple common sense.

 

But of course we’re not all made the same - as this debacle has plainly shown, so others can’t, or won’t see; or are just out to plain shitstir, like the poster you replied to.

 

Nowadays I don’t bother to voice my opinion unless others appear to be of the same mind; I just quietly resist the bs - maskswearing, lockdowns etc.

 

They wont win.

 

 

[GoannaGuru]

Vaccines/viruses etc, an interesting topic. Ive no medical experience and perhaps it all can be explained easily by a 'trusted' expert. But  that the 'germ theory' has opposition is something i didnt know. It got me thinking...;

 

In the earlier part of the 20th century most kids in Australia got boils. My mum used to speak of how every kid got them. The subject probably came up as i also got a boil when i was a kid. Thankfully only one... it hurt like hell.

 

These days, a kid with a boil in Australia is a rare thing, where once it was more than common. What changed? Diet, no doubt. Which begs the question; Polio ran almost concurrent with boils. Polio at the same time was a problem. A much more severe, dangerous problem and nowhere near as prevalent in the community, but Polio also dried up along with boils. Did a better diet kill off Polio.. not vaccines? Did vaccines get the glory instead of better diets? I dont know, but i have wondered..

Edited October 12, 2021 by GoannaGuru

[kilowon]

17 hours ago, GoannaGuru said:

Vaccines/viruses etc, an interesting topic. Ive no medical experience and perhaps it all can be explained easily by a 'trusted' expert. But  that the 'germ theory' has opposition is something i didnt know. It got me thinking...;

 

In the earlier part of the 20th century most kids in Australia got boils. My mum used to speak of how every kid got them. The subject probably came up as i also got a boil when i was a kid. Thankfully only one... it hurt like hell.

 

These days, a kid with a boil in Australia is a rare thing, where once it was more than common. What changed? Diet, no doubt. Which begs the question; Polio ran almost concurrent with boils. Polio at the same time was a problem. A much more severe, dangerous problem and nowhere near as prevalent in the community, but Polio also dried up along with boils. Did a better diet kill off Polio.. not vaccines? Did vaccines get the glory instead of better diets? I dont know, but i have wondered..

you are definitely right. Also remember that Polio is not one disease but a plethora of conditions which they now give different name to. I would recommend the book what make you ill by Dawn lester/david parker for more on the subject