David Icke's claim that 'there is no virus'?

[novymir]

30 minutes ago, kilowon said:

exactly, not sure who are those we he kept talking about. Maybe Fraudci and drosten

GERMAPHOBIA=New World Religion

Blasphemers, heretics and scoffers will be...?.....??

 

Oh, look! There's GeoffB in this clip....he's the one at the end that says; "you don't  speak for the people of Israel, listen to the teachings of our god!!"

SPIRITUAL SIGHT

Edited August 17, 2021 by novymir

[kilowon]

Our new god Fraudci

[MarcusOmouse]

6 hours ago, GeoffB said:

Exosomes are not the smoking gun as you suggest as explained by this highly qualified virologist.

https://www.auckland.ac.nz/en/news/2020/11/16/kochs-postulates-covid-and-misinformation-rabbit-holes.html

 

SARS-CoV-2 and Covid-19 were around for a year before the first experimental jab was given so it can't have been the jabs that caused it.

Having said that as a 66 year old I wouldn't let these or any other vaccine near me.

The last time I had a vaccine was for tetanus over 35 years ago after cutting my head playing football in a semi-final before I knew how toxic vaccines were and are.

Ive just read the article and there isnt a single mention of exosomes.

 

All he does is regurgitate the idea that so called virus exists.

 

If the human body, according to wikipedia contains around 3. 2 trillion different viruses, what are we doing here?

 

 

Surely we should all be dead by now?

 

This is nonsense by any logical definition, if viruses  exosomes truly cause disease.

 

 

 

[GeoffB]

54 minutes ago, kilowon said:

all virus isolation use EM microscopy

No they don't, most use gene sequencing.

 

54 minutes ago, kilowon said:

And you know that because you have spoken to every retired virologist in the world and they have told you so?

I don't need to ask them as NO retired virologist has ever stated that "viruses don't exist".

 

48 minutes ago, kilowon said:

Which books?

I gave you the link to the book.

I don't think books are dangerous, it was Amazon UK who banned it. I don't agree with censorship.

Books are there to be critically assessed and dismissed if they don't hold water.

51 minutes ago, kilowon said:

Please provide the source of your statistics where it was shown that 99.99percent of all virologist say the virus is real. You keep saying that covid exist, where is your proof. Where is the scientific papers where sarscov2 was isolated and shown to be the cause of covid19 in human. please cite your sources

As there is only one virologist Stefan Lanka who is saying that "viruses do not exist" all other virologists in the world must number in the tens of thousands so maybe 99.99% is an underestimate.

Viruses don't really need to be isolated because there are  "vast amounts of genomic data currently available, that leave us in no doubt as to their existence."

http://www.integralworld.net/visser197.html

 

 

[GeoffB]

5 minutes ago, MarcusOmouse said:

Ive just read the article and there isnt a single mention of exosomes.

 

All he does is regurgitate the idea that so called virus exists.

 

If the human body, according to wikipedia contains around 3. 2 trillion different viruses, what are we doing here?

 

 

Surely we should all be dead by now?

 

This is nonsense by any logical definition, if viruses  exosomes truly cause disease.

 

 

 

You didn't read it very well because SHE clearly states "And before they pivot to yelling about human exosomes, these aren’t the smoking gun either. Yes, exosomes (more commonly referred to as vesicles) are small particles that can be separated from samples by centrifugation. The important distinction here is that they are bits of our cells that bud off and generally require huge volumes of material to isolate them from. The same processes just can’t be applied to a small sample of cells from someone’s nasal swab."

 

If you want a more detailed explanation why exosomes and viruses are similar but totally different try this article.

http://www.integralworld.net/visser171.html

[GeoffB]

1 hour ago, novymir said:

 

Bullshit.

What's with this "we" shit? It's you and only you. It's you who wants to maintain a clearly corrupt system.

It's you that is in love with the idea of  "contagious viruses".

 

You don't have a very good memory do you?

You posted .....

"Let's see ; you are a  "front line worker"( ohh, that sounds so "heroic"), and your wife is "a nurse".

 

You've got a HUGE vested interest in this scam."

 

The "we" I refer to is my wife and I that you accused of having a HUGE vested interest in this scam.

[kilowon]

28 minutes ago, MarcusOmouse said:

Ive just read the article and there isnt a single mention of exosomes.

 

All he does is regurgitate the idea that so called virus exists.

 

If the human body, according to wikipedia contains around 3. 2 trillion different viruses, what are we doing here?

 

 

Surely we should all be dead by now?

 

This is nonsense by any logical definition, if viruses  exosomes truly cause disease.

 

 

 

exactly, He think that when he post a reference we are not going to check it out. 

[novymir]

1 hour ago, GeoffB said:

You don't have a very good memory do you?

You posted .....

"Let's see ; you are a  "front line worker"( ohh, that sounds so "heroic"), and your wife is "a nurse".

 

You've got a HUGE vested interest in this scam."

 

The "we" I refer to is my wife and I that you accused of having a HUGE vested interest in this scam.

Okay, it's you and your wife that believes in the invisible boogey man("dangerous, contagious viruses"), and have a huge vested interest in keeping the Big Lie going.

You people should just stay the fuck out of other people's bodies, and quit casting your black magic spells on them. The nerve of your MASTERS. The would-be "reality"-makers and "lords' of other people's life and death.

You've been informed of your error.

 

"seeing isn't believing" dumass,,,believing is seeing...

"seek and you will find"......keep your garbage to yourself.

"Physician! Heal Thyself!". YOUR OWN MIND

You've been duped.

 

"It's easier to fool people than it is to convince them they've been fooled".

― Mark Twain

Sun glasses = Son Sight

Edited August 17, 2021 by novymir

[kilowon]

3 hours ago, GeoffB said:

No they don't, most use gene sequencing.

 

I don't need to ask them as NO retired virologist has ever stated that "viruses don't exist".

 

I gave you the link to the book.

I don't think books are dangerous, it was Amazon UK who banned it. I don't agree with censorship.

Books are there to be critically assessed and dismissed if they don't hold water.

As there is only one virologist Stefan Lanka who is saying that "viruses do not exist" all other virologists in the world must number in the tens of thousands so maybe 99.99% is an underestimate.

Viruses don't really need to be isolated because there are  "vast amounts of genomic data currently available, that leave us in no doubt as to their existence."

http://www.integralworld.net/visser197.html

 

 

So you bassically saying that we are able to know the genomic sequence of a virus without first isolating it? Do you realized how stupid that is? It is like saying that we know santa claus exist because we found some present under the tree at Christmas.  You cannot have the genome of something until you prove that this something exist. And the only way to prove the existence of a virus is by isolating it. Sheesh. You post shit without ever bothering to understanding what you are posting.

[kilowon]

Just now, kilowon said:

So you bassically saying that we are able to know the genomic sequence of a virus without first isolating it? Do you realized how stupid that is? It is like saying that we know santa claus exist because we found some present under the tree at Christmas.  You cannot have the genome of something until you prove that this something exist. And the only way to prove the existence of a virus is by isolating it. Sheesh. You post shit without ever bothering to understanding what you are posting.

So because no retired virologist have come out and said this then you assumed they all must agree with the virus myth? You realized how silly  an argument that is?

[kilowon]

You also realized that anything more than 99.99 is a 100 right. And since lanka is a virologist that disagree then there cannot be more than 99.99 percent in support of the virus myth. Duh

[kilowon]

Please explain how they can sequence the gene of the virus without first visualizing it with EM microscopy. I have read every papers which has claimed to have isolated sarscov2, many times over, and every single one has use electron microscopy to visualised the so called virus. Stop making shit up. It is embarassing

[GeoffB]

1 hour ago, kilowon said:

Please explain how they can sequence the gene of the virus without first visualizing it with EM microscopy. I have read every papers which has claimed to have isolated sarscov2, many times over, and every single one has use electron microscopy to visualised the so called virus. Stop making shit up. It is embarassing

EM's are done just so there is a photo for people to see what the virus looks like.

 

"In the most simple of terms:

a virus test works by targeting specific viral material in a sample (say sputum or lung fluid), and multiplying that material so it can be made visible by fluorescence techniques. This doesn't mean that everybody will test positive if enough multiplications are done; if you don't have the viral material present, no multiplication will help you. You will never get a false positive.
Building the whole viral genome is done by producing and detecting small segments of the genome in huge quantities (so not only the segments that are unique to that virus, but all of them, the whole string of bases), and then "assembling" these again on a computer, which can be done because these snippets show overlaps on both sides."

 

"Alt-medics such as Kaufman and Lanka often suggest these whole genomes are useless artefacts, because they are based on snippets of RNA that first get multiplied and then arbitrarily "stitched together" with the help of advanced computers to form a digital whole genome sequence, which might as well be related to normal human cell material. This shows a complete lack of understanding of how digital genome assembly works."

 

All explained in this article.

THE SUBTLE SCIENCE OF WHOLE GENOME SEQUENCING

http://www.integralworld.net/visser174.html

 

[GeoffB]

2 hours ago, kilowon said:

So because no retired virologist have come out and said this then you assumed they all must agree with the virus myth? You realized how silly  an argument that is?

Can you name me a virologist retired or otherwise (other than Stefan Lanka) who agrees that "viruses do not exist"?

[MarcusOmouse]

13 hours ago, GeoffB said:

You didn't read it very well because SHE clearly states "And before they pivot to yelling about human exosomes, these aren’t the smoking gun either. Yes, exosomes (more commonly referred to as vesicles) are small particles that can be separated from samples by centrifugation. The important distinction here is that they are bits of our cells that bud off and generally require huge volumes of material to isolate them from. The same processes just can’t be applied to a small sample of cells from someone’s nasal swab."

 

If you want a more detailed explanation why exosomes and viruses are similar but totally different try this article.

http://www.integralworld.net/visser171.html

Are we looking at the same link here , cos ive just read the link you gave me again, twice and havent seen it.

 

And , if we have 3.2 trillion viruses in our bodies, when did we catch them and who did we catch them off.?  And you still havent explained why we arent all dead yet.. If you want to reply  this post, you should address these  questions. Otherwise leave it there as I will

 

In summary Geoff, the entire mainstream virus pharma scientific, medical industrial complex are nothing short of a huge global racket. If you can't see that now, then you never willl

 

There are no viruses. There are exosomes.  Thats my truth and it will serve me better than believing in something that has never been shown to either exist, or even if they claim it has, never been shown to  cause disease

 

kudos for you for giving the shot a miss though. I'll leave it there

[GeoffB]

15 hours ago, novymir said:

Okay, it's you and your wife that believes in the invisible boogey man("dangerous, contagious viruses"), and have a huge vested interest in keeping the Big Lie going.

You people should just stay the fuck out of other people's bodies, and quit casting your black magic spells on them. The nerve of your MASTERS. The would-be "reality"-makers and "lords' of other people's life and death.

You've been informed of your error.

 

"seeing isn't believing" dumass,,,believing is seeing...

"seek and you will find"......keep your garbage to yourself.

"Physician! Heal Thyself!". YOUR OWN MIND

You've been duped.

 

"It's easier to fool people than it is to convince them they've been fooled".

― Mark Twain

Sun glasses = Son Sight

We believe the virus is real but we don't believe it is dangerous or particularly contagious.

[GeoffB]

2 hours ago, MarcusOmouse said:

Are we looking at the same link here , cos ive just read the link you gave me again, twice and havent seen it.

 

And , if we have 3.2 trillion viruses in our bodies, when did we catch them and who did we catch them off.?  And you still havent explained why we arent all dead yet.. If you want to reply  this post, you should address these  questions. Otherwise leave it there as I will

 

In summary Geoff, the entire mainstream virus pharma scientific, medical industrial complex are nothing short of a huge global racket. If you can't see that now, then you never willl

 

There are no viruses. There are exosomes.  Thats my truth and it will serve me better than believing in something that has never been shown to either exist, or even if they claim it has, never been shown to  cause disease

 

kudos for you for giving the shot a miss though. I'll leave it there

Most viruses are benign.

Some viruses are contagious.

A healthy immune system will prevent serious illness and death.

I despise Big Pharma and always have done.

Viruses have been shown to exist by modern gene sequencing.

Viruses and exosomes are similar but different as explained in this article.

WHY VIRUSES ARE NOT EXOSOMES

http://www.integralworld.net/visser171.html

 

[Guest m754]

2 hours ago, GeoffB said:

Most viruses are benign.

Some viruses are contagious.

A healthy immune system will prevent serious illness and death.

I despise Big Pharma and always have done.

Viruses have been shown to exist by modern gene sequencing.

Viruses and exosomes are similar but different as explained in this article.

WHY VIRUSES ARE NOT EXOSOMES

http://www.integralworld.net/visser171.html

 

 

You said in an earlier post that the covid virus pandemic is a scam...but that scam has been able to be pulled based on the concept of virus. That is the basis. They created the concept.

 

Whether benign or contagious or whether they say the genome has been sequenced---the fact remains that they have created a bogeyman and given it a name that derives from word poison, for something that may be endemic to our bodies or our biome--ie. not a foreign thing, and hence not an enemy. And on which any future natural occurrence might be blamed and then they offer a solution. 

 

They can pull out any stuff from our bodies, or from animal bodies or from other parts of nature and say (misleadingly) that this is foreign element, hence an enemy hence needs neutralising or fighting against--hence a toxin to be always afraid of...see the scam now?

 

That is why saying---THERE IS NO VIRUS----is so important to break their programming.

 

Who cares if the academics agree or not?

 

If we have to concur to what they say, or what any authority figure says, then that would be the very reason we are being controlled, do you see?

 

Question all authority even university academics and medical specialists.

[kilowon]

16 hours ago, GeoffB said:

EM's are done just so there is a photo for people to see what the virus looks like.

 

"In the most simple of terms:

a virus test works by targeting specific viral material in a sample (say sputum or lung fluid), and multiplying that material so it can be made visible by fluorescence techniques. This doesn't mean that everybody will test positive if enough multiplications are done; if you don't have the viral material present, no multiplication will help you. You will never get a false positive.
Building the whole viral genome is done by producing and detecting small segments of the genome in huge quantities (so not only the segments that are unique to that virus, but all of them, the whole string of bases), and then "assembling" these again on a computer, which can be done because these snippets show overlaps on both sides."

 

"Alt-medics such as Kaufman and Lanka often suggest these whole genomes are useless artefacts, because they are based on snippets of RNA that first get multiplied and then arbitrarily "stitched together" with the help of advanced computers to form a digital whole genome sequence, which might as well be related to normal human cell material. This shows a complete lack of understanding of how digital genome assembly works."

 

All explained in this article.

THE SUBTLE SCIENCE OF WHOLE GENOME SEQUENCING

http://www.integralworld.net/visser174.html

 

So they do use microscope. You keep posting stuff that you clearly have no understanding of. You have not explained how they can find the genomic sequence of something they have not isolated. Please explain

[kilowon]

16 hours ago, GeoffB said:

Can you name me a virologist retired or otherwise (other than Stefan Lanka) who agrees that "viruses do not exist"?

Why would I need to do that? I could care less if no virologist believe in the terrain model. My belief in the Terrain model is not based on what people who work with imaginary thing aka virologist think. It is borne of my two decade plus of research and observation. 

[kilowon]

5 hours ago, GeoffB said:

We believe the virus is real but we don't believe it is dangerous or particularly contagious.

so you are admitting that virologists are lying? And yet you still believe in them? Cognitive dissonance

[kilowon]

2 hours ago, m754 said:

 

You said in an earlier post that the covid virus pandemic is a scam...but that scam has been able to be pulled based on the concept of virus. That is the basis. They created the concept.

 

Whether benign or contagious or whether they say the genome has been sequenced---the fact remains that they have created a bogeyman and given it a name that derives from word poison, for something that may be endemic to our bodies or our biome--ie. not a foreign thing, and hence not an enemy. And on which any future natural occurrence might be blamed and then they offer a solution. 

 

They can pull out any stuff from our bodies, or from animal bodies or from other parts of nature and say (misleadingly) that this is foreign element, hence an enemy hence needs neutralising or fighting against--hence a toxin to be always afraid of...see the scam now?

 

That is why saying---THERE IS NO VIRUS----is so important to break their programming.

 

Who cares if the academics agree or not?

 

If we have to concur to what they say, or what any authority figure says, then that would be the very reason we are being controlled, do you see?

 

Question all authority even university academics and medical specialists.

The guy keep contradicting himself. He trust virologist but at the same times think they are lying

[GeoffB]

8 hours ago, m754 said:

 

You said in an earlier post that the covid virus pandemic is a scam...but that scam has been able to be pulled based on the concept of virus. That is the basis. They created the concept.

 

Whether benign or contagious or whether they say the genome has been sequenced---the fact remains that they have created a bogeyman and given it a name that derives from word poison, for something that may be endemic to our bodies or our biome--ie. not a foreign thing, and hence not an enemy. And on which any future natural occurrence might be blamed and then they offer a solution. 

 

They can pull out any stuff from our bodies, or from animal bodies or from other parts of nature and say (misleadingly) that this is foreign element, hence an enemy hence needs neutralising or fighting against--hence a toxin to be always afraid of...see the scam now?

 

That is why saying---THERE IS NO VIRUS----is so important to break their programming.

 

Who cares if the academics agree or not?

 

If we have to concur to what they say, or what any authority figure says, then that would be the very reason we are being controlled, do you see?

 

Question all authority even university academics and medical specialists.

Viruses existing is beyond scientific doubt.

Some of you seem to need to believe that viruses don't exist for your own personal wellbeing.

I am giving you the information that shows viruses exist.

Some highly qualified people in the alternative media like Judy Mikovits know that viruses exist.

The scam is that many virologists, epidemiologists, scientists and doctors have persuaded governments that SARS-CoV-2 and Covid-19 are more dangerous that they really are giving them the excuse to bring in unnecessary draconian measures which harms the human race.

We can only speculate where the virus came from and why they are doing it.

It just maybe a scam by Big Pharma to make more money or it might be population reduction.

We await to find out.

It would be easier to persuade the general public to fight these measures if some didn't have the crazy idea that "viruses don't exist".

[GeoffB]

5 hours ago, kilowon said:

So they do use microscope. You keep posting stuff that you clearly have no understanding of. You have not explained how they can find the genomic sequence of something they have not isolated. Please explain

They use a microscope to give people like you a pretty picture to look at.

I have given you links on how gene sequencing is carried out which you obviously didn't read.

It is impossible to totally isolate a virus because a virus is only evident when attached to another cell.

Viruses exist.

[GeoffB]

5 hours ago, kilowon said:

Why would I need to do that? I could care less if no virologist believe in the terrain model. My belief in the Terrain model is not based on what people who work with imaginary thing aka virologist think. It is borne of my two decade plus of research and observation. 

What are your qualifications in virology?