David Icke's claim that 'there is no virus'?

[kilowon]

6 hours ago, GeoffB said:

The question asked to these institutions was worded in a particular way asking for proof that viruses have been purified and isolated without any other particles. Viruses do not work that way, they are only active when attacking another cell so it is impossible to "isolate" a virus without another cell being present. Virologists know this but it doesn't stop them agreeing that viruses exist. The people who worded the question are using semantics to try to prove that viruses don't exist and not science.

Not at all. Virologist claim that virions exist and floats in the air on water droplet. So the excuse that they can only isolate virus by cell culture is ridiculous when they could easily isolate virions in droplet. They have never done that. If virus are only active when they are attacking a cell how the hell do they get to that cell in the first place to attacked it? BTW, Virus are supposed to be non-living particles, so how does non living particles with no agency of its own attack a cell? Have you ever been attack by a chair on itself or by any non living thing?

 

[Truthspoon]

27 minutes ago, kilowon said:

Can you show me one scientific paper that show this?  You will not find one as virologist themselves admit that they have no way to know of a virus apart from under EM microscopy. Of course, no one have ever use a EM microscope to look at water droplet floating freely so of course no one knows if virus exist in water droplet. Remember EM can only look at dead thing. I suggest people read Harold Hillman The Living Cell to understand how virology is nothing more than a lab created and computer generated pseudoscience

 

I can't say virology is my particular speciality.

I'm pretty sure it's not yours either.

 

 

 

[kilowon]

24 minutes ago, Truthspoon said:

 

I can't say virology is my particular speciality.

I'm pretty sure it's not yours either.

 

 

 

And how did you come to this conclusion? How do you know what my speciality is?

[novymir]

On 6/12/2021 at 6:00 AM, GeoffB said:

My wife and I have both had Covid and have both previously had flu. In my case flu was worse than Covid but I was lethargic for a few weeks after Covid meaning I decided to stop being a front line worker and take 7 weeks off work as the government were paying me although I could have gone back a lot sooner.

My wife being a nurse had 14 days self isolation before going back to work. However, she lost her sense of smell and taste for months which you don't get from flu.

"Unlike the flu, COVID-19 can sometimes cause a person to suddenly lose their sense of smell (anosmia) or taste (ageusia)."

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-disease-2019-vs-the-flu

Covid has killed more old and sick people than flu but I admit lockdowns have caused some of those deaths.

Therefore although there are many similarities between Covid and flu there are differences which a trained medical professional can discern.

The virus is real, different to flu, mutated hundreds of thousands of times and probably made in a lab.

It is not that much worse than a bad flu season but it is being used to bring in a draconian agenda.

 

Let's see ; you are a  "front line worker"( ohh, that sounds so "heroic"), and your wife is "a nurse".

 

You've got a HUGE vested interest in this scam.

 

 

You have 2 options; either go the way of Cypher(Judas), or go the way of Neo(Christ). The choice is between untruth and Truth.

The fake and The Real.

Anti-Life and Life.

Fear and LOVE.

Edited August 16, 2021 by novymir

[MarcusOmouse]

8 hours ago, GeoffB said:

In 2020 the Age Standardised Mortality for England was the highest it had been for 12 years.

The vast, vast majority of virologists, epidemiologists, scientists, medical professionals and many in the alternative media say this was caused by a new virus SARS-CoV-2 released from a bioweapons lab either accidently or deliberately or it was a zoonotic natural virus.

Lockdowns, DNR's and drugging the elderly will have killed some but not all.

Therefore the statistics point to a virus causing most of these excess deaths.

A handful of unqualified people in the alternative media think viruses don't exist and some have twisted themselves in knots by saying that viruses don't exist but these people died of the flu which is caused by a virus.

A novel virus is the most likely cause of these unexplained deaths where the symptoms of Hypercania and Hypoxia are different to most other respiratory diseases.

Hey Geoff,

 

You are clearly somebody  who for some reason or other simply can't cope with the idea that there is no virus.

 

There are exosomes.

 

There are no viruses.

 

Exosomes are a vital part of the bodies natural immune systen .

 

What is happening now is that this vaccine is installing trillions of such (self replicating) SYNTHETIC exosomes  into many people taking this shot.

 

I say many people , but not all.  There are other experiments going on with this shot.

 

They probably achieved gain of function in the bio lab in wuhan, when they  figured out that these synthetic exosomes would go unnoticed to the cells of our body

 

And the results of this are about to become all too disturbingly obvious to many hosts, if they haven't already.

 

When the body undertakes its annual or biannual toxic cleansing,( better known as a cold or flu) the natural immune system relies on exosomes to indicate wihere in the body there is distress,.

 

The immune system then goes to work in  infected areas.

 

Can you begin to imagine what would happen if the immune system saw trojan horse exosomes  appearing in every organ of the body?

 

Hope that clears things up a bit.

 

 

Edited August 16, 2021 by MarcusOmouse

[kilowon]

21 minutes ago, MarcusOmouse said:

Hey Geoff,

 

You are clearly somebody  who for some reason or other simply can't cope with the idea that there is no virus.

 

There are exosomes.

 

There are no viruses.

 

Exosomes are a vital part of the bodies natural immune systen .

 

What is happening now is that this vaccine is installing trillions of such (self replicating) SYNTHETIC exosomes  into many people taking this shot.

 

I say many people , but not all.  There are other experiments going on with this shot.

 

They probably achieved gain of function in the bio lab in wuhan, when they  figured out that these synthetic exosomes would go unnoticed to the cells of our body

 

And the results of this are about to become all too disturbingly obvious to many hosts, if they haven't already.

 

When the body undertakes its annual or biannual toxic cleansing,( better known as a cold or flu) the natural immune system relies on exosomes to indicate wihere in the body there is distress,.

 

The immune system then goes to work in  infected areas.

 

Can you begin to imagine what would happen if the immune system saw trojan horse exosomes  appearing in every organ of the body?

 

Hope that clears things up a bit.

 

 

i can personally attest to that. My partner, who has been double vaxx  came down with the worse fever/illness she has ever had in her life. She ached all over, high fever, allergies, flu, diarrhoea, swelling everywhere. And before anyone say covid, remember she was fully vaccinated so should not have had such harsh symptoms if it was the imaginary virus. And many of her symptoms had nothing to do with so called covid symptoms. And a number of fully vaccinated people have had the same harsh detox. And for all those who think covid exist and is extremely infectious, I was the one that care for her, slept next to her every night and is doing great. And of course i am not vaccinated. So i think you are on to something here

 

[Grumpy Owl]

9 hours ago, GeoffB said:

The vast, vast majority of virologists, epidemiologists, scientists, medical professionals and many in the alternative media say this was caused by a new virus SARS-CoV-2 released from a bioweapons lab either accidently or deliberately or it was a zoonotic natural virus.

 

As I've said before, "well, they would say that".

 

And yes, I do believe that there are certain 'factions' within the 'alternative media' who are saying such things too, because that is what they are being instructed to say. That is of course how 'controlled opposition' works.

 

And having read a couple of Andrew Johnson's books on 9/11, I like to think I have a better understanding of how even those in the alternative 'conspiracy circles' can be 'divided up' into factions and groups and then made to turn on each other.

 

I'm not a doctor or scientist, nor am I any kind of virologist, epidemologist or expert in such matters. I go by my own gut instinct. I also know that such 'experts' only come to be so, through their being 'indoctrinated' or programmed through the education system, or through 'training programmes'.

 

 

[DarianF]

David Icke gets a mention in this article:

 

https://www.kidspot.com.au/news/my-wife-refuses-to-get-vaccinated-its-causing-major-issues-in-our-relationship/news-story/730d8ad85825ab62a3616849eda2ef9d

 

It's nice to know his videos are pissing off the normie slave population and covid cult followers

[GeoffB]

On 8/14/2021 at 6:24 PM, MarcusOmouse said:

There are no viruses.  There are exosomes. 

 

Little spikes that jut out of distressed cells to indicate distress or a disease, in a particular part ( terrain ) of our bodies

 

Our body is full of them. They are a vital part of the immune system. They inform our immune system that there is a problem, whereupon killer responses are activated

 

The vaccine is implanting by stealth synthetically created exosomes to appear in every organ and cell of our body - a trillion trojan horses.

 

When our natural immune system reacts to these liars, the result will not bode well for the host.

 

Pathogenic priming or ADE i think.

Highly qualified virologists are fully aware of exosomes and they are not the cause of Covid.

https://www.auckland.ac.nz/en/news/2020/11/16/kochs-postulates-covid-and-misinformation-rabbit-holes.html

 

I wouldn't let one of these experimental jabs anywhere near me.

[GeoffB]

17 hours ago, screamingeagle said:

it's called self censorship.....you know because of the 24/7 propaganda 

Of course there is "self censorship" but that hasn't stopped hundreds of climate experts and thousands of scientists signing petitions and writing articles and scientific papers to refute catastrophic anthropological global warming.

Where are the people with PhD's in virology coming out in support of "no viruses exist"?

Where are the retired scientists who no longer worry about funding or their careers coming out in support of "no viruses exist"?

Name me someone alive today qualified in virology other than Stefan Lanka who supports "no viruses exist".

[GeoffB]

16 hours ago, kilowon said:

Not at all. Virologist claim that virions exist and floats in the air on water droplet. So the excuse that they can only isolate virus by cell culture is ridiculous when they could easily isolate virions in droplet. They have never done that. If virus are only active when they are attacking a cell how the hell do they get to that cell in the first place to attacked it? BTW, Virus are supposed to be non-living particles, so how does non living particles with no agency of its own attack a cell? Have you ever been attack by a chair on itself or by any non living thing?

 

Water droplets from humans filled with cells that the virus attaches to. It is not pure distilled water.

This highly trained virologist explains. 

https://www.auckland.ac.nz/en/news/2020/11/16/kochs-postulates-covid-and-misinformation-rabbit-holes.html

[GeoffB]

15 hours ago, novymir said:

You've got a HUGE vested interest in this scam.

Laughable.

We both know it's a scam.

We also know that the virus is real but blown out of all proportion.

[GeoffB]

15 hours ago, MarcusOmouse said:

Hey Geoff,

 

You are clearly somebody  who for some reason or other simply can't cope with the idea that there is no virus.

 

There are exosomes.

 

There are no viruses.

 

Exosomes are a vital part of the bodies natural immune systen .

 

What is happening now is that this vaccine is installing trillions of such (self replicating) SYNTHETIC exosomes  into many people taking this shot.

 

I say many people , but not all.  There are other experiments going on with this shot.

 

They probably achieved gain of function in the bio lab in wuhan, when they  figured out that these synthetic exosomes would go unnoticed to the cells of our body

 

And the results of this are about to become all too disturbingly obvious to many hosts, if they haven't already.

 

When the body undertakes its annual or biannual toxic cleansing,( better known as a cold or flu) the natural immune system relies on exosomes to indicate wihere in the body there is distress,.

 

The immune system then goes to work in  infected areas.

 

Can you begin to imagine what would happen if the immune system saw trojan horse exosomes  appearing in every organ of the body?

 

Hope that clears things up a bit.

 

 

Exosomes are not the smoking gun as you suggest as explained by this highly qualified virologist.

https://www.auckland.ac.nz/en/news/2020/11/16/kochs-postulates-covid-and-misinformation-rabbit-holes.html

 

SARS-CoV-2 and Covid-19 were around for a year before the first experimental jab was given so it can't have been the jabs that caused it.

Having said that as a 66 year old I wouldn't let these or any other vaccine near me.

The last time I had a vaccine was for tetanus over 35 years ago after cutting my head playing football in a semi-final before I knew how toxic vaccines were and are.

[GeoffB]

13 hours ago, Grumpy Owl said:

As I've said before, "well, they would say that".

But you didn't answer my question of why there isn't a swathe of retired virologists who no longer are worried about funding or their careers coming out in support of "no viruses exist"?

I suggest there aren't any because no other virologist than Stefan Lanka who has a book to sell actually believe in the notion that "viruses do not exist".

 

13 hours ago, Grumpy Owl said:

And yes, I do believe that there are certain 'factions' within the 'alternative media' who are saying such things too, because that is what they are being instructed to say. That is of course how 'controlled opposition' works.

So anyone who doesn't believe in the very, very fringe theory that "viruses do not exist" are being instructed to say so and are "controlled opposition"?

Your comment shows how divisive this crazy theory has become.

[kilowon]

3 hours ago, GeoffB said:

Water droplets from humans filled with cells that the virus attaches to. It is not pure distilled water.

This highly trained virologist explains. 

https://www.auckland.ac.nz/en/news/2020/11/16/kochs-postulates-covid-and-misinformation-rabbit-holes.html

Once again you fail to get the point. If the virion is in cells then you can easily use a dark field microscope to see the virions. No need for cell culture. And BTW, you highly trained virologist did not explained anything. We are talking about virions in water droplet. You do not need Koch postulate or Rivers criteria to find it. BTW, virions do not travel in cells when they are in water droplet according to virology orthodoxy, else they would already be a virus. So stop making thing up. 

[kilowon]

3 hours ago, GeoffB said:

Of course there is "self censorship" but that hasn't stopped hundreds of climate experts and thousands of scientists signing petitions and writing articles and scientific papers to refute catastrophic anthropological global warming.

Where are the people with PhD's in virology coming out in support of "no viruses exist"?

Where are the retired scientists who no longer worry about funding or their careers coming out in support of "no viruses exist"?

Name me someone alive today qualified in virology other than Stefan Lanka who supports "no viruses exist".

The better question would be to ask who are those world famous virologist. You may be surprised to learn that most of the people who made the major discoveries in the imaginary field of virology are dead. People like Jenner, Pasteur, Koch, Rivers and Enders are no longer around. Most other virologist outside of people like Fauci and drosten  are lab technician no one have ever heard of. And we have seen many times in history where one scientist stood by themselves to say that the current paradigm was incorrect. Some even lost their lives over it. Just because there is only one does not means they are wrong. Also take into account how hard it will be for someone to admit that most of his professional lives have been a lie. It would basically means the end of their career. The difference between this and a climate expert is that their career is not dependent on the global warming narrative. They not claiming that climate does not exist, only human caused global warming. They are not going to lose their career if global warming is shown to be a lie. Very different from a virologist admitting that his/her whole field is a complete and utter fraud/lie. So false equivalence here. Do better

[kilowon]

3 hours ago, GeoffB said:

Exosomes are not the smoking gun as you suggest as explained by this highly qualified virologist.

https://www.auckland.ac.nz/en/news/2020/11/16/kochs-postulates-covid-and-misinformation-rabbit-holes.html

 

SARS-CoV-2 and Covid-19 were around for a year before the first experimental jab was given so it can't have been the jabs that caused it.

Having said that as a 66 year old I wouldn't let these or any other vaccine near me.

The last time I had a vaccine was for tetanus over 35 years ago after cutting my head playing football in a semi-final before I knew how toxic vaccines were and are.

Just remember that the same people pushing the vaccine are the same people who claim covid exist 

[kilowon]

3 hours ago, GeoffB said:

3 hours ago, GeoffB said:

 

I suggest there aren't any because no other virologist than Stefan Lanka who has a book to sell actually believe in the notion that "viruses do not exist".

 

 

 

So we should discredit anyone who write a book about a subject they have interest in? Also which book is Stefan lanka peddling? Would you care to tell me the title of his book as last time i look all his articles were free to read.

 

 

 

 

[GeoffB]

1 hour ago, kilowon said:

Once again you fail to get the point. If the virion is in cells then you can easily use a dark field microscope to see the virions. No need for cell culture. And BTW, you highly trained virologist did not explained anything. We are talking about virions in water droplet. You do not need Koch postulate or Rivers criteria to find it. BTW, virions do not travel in cells when they are in water droplet according to virology orthodoxy, else they would already be a virus. So stop making thing up. 

Microscopes are old technology these days as DNA sequencing is so far more advanced.

Viruses are totally different to exosomes/vesicle/virions. However, as Dr James E. K. Hildreth states "retroviruses exploit a cell-encoded pathway of intercellular vesicle traffic, exosome exchange, for both the biogenesis of retroviral particles and a low-efficiency but mechanistically important mode of infection."

Andrew Kaufman has totally misunderstood Hildreth.

Virologists are aware that exomes do look similar to some viruses.

This article DEBUNKING ANDREW KAUFMAN'S VIRUS EQUALS EXOSOME HYPOTHESIS explains it.

http://www.integralworld.net/visser169.html

 

55 minutes ago, kilowon said:

Very different from a virologist admitting that his/her whole field is a complete and utter fraud/lie.

There is no difference at all. Retired virologists have no funding or career to lose and the reason they do not come out with "viruses do not exist" is because they know it is nonsense.

 

56 minutes ago, kilowon said:

Just remember that the same people pushing the vaccine are the same people who claim covid exist 

Covid19 does exist but one virologist states that SARS-CoV-2 doesn't exist compared to 99.99% of all the other virologists in the world who say the virus is real.

I wouldn't let the Covid-19 experimental jab anywhere near me.

 

54 minutes ago, kilowon said:

Also which book is Stefan lanka peddling?

Amazon banned his books in the UK and US because they are dangerous but they are still available in Germany for £20.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/3937342222/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vapi_taft_p1_i0

 

 

[kilowon]

42 minutes ago, GeoffB said:

Microscopes are old technology these days as DNA sequencing is so far more advanced.

Viruses are totally different to exosomes/vesicle/virions. However, as Dr James E. K. Hildreth states "retroviruses exploit a cell-encoded pathway of intercellular vesicle traffic, exosome exchange, for both the biogenesis of retroviral particles and a low-efficiency but mechanistically important mode of infection."

Andrew Kaufman has totally misunderstood Hildreth.

Virologists are aware that exomes do look similar to some viruses.

This article DEBUNKING ANDREW KAUFMAN'S VIRUS EQUALS EXOSOME HYPOTHESIS explains it.

http://www.integralworld.net/visser169.html

 

 

 

 

What a bizarre statement to make when all virus isolation use EM microscopy? I do not care about exosomes and have not even talk about exosomes. I think of exosomes as cell debris and no more. You just post thing without even understanding what you are posting. 

[kilowon]

46 minutes ago, GeoffB said:

 

 

There is no difference at all. Retired virologists have no funding or career to lose and the reason they do not come out with "viruses do not exist" is because they know it is nonsense.

 

 

 

 

And you know that because you have spoken to every retired virologist in the world and they have told you so?

[novymir]

5 hours ago, GeoffB said:

Laughable.

We both know it's a scam.

We also know that the virus is real but blown out of all proportion.

 

Bullshit.

What's with this "we" shit? It's you and only you. It's you who wants to maintain a clearly corrupt system.

It's you that is in love with the idea of  "contagious viruses".

 

[kilowon]

47 minutes ago, GeoffB said:

 

 

Amazon banned his books in the UK and US because they are dangerous but they are still available in Germany for £20.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/3937342222/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vapi_taft_p1_i0

 

 

Which books? Give me the title. And you believe books are dangerous? So you have not answer my question. Do you think that if someone is selling a book based on his interest we should not listened to them. So if a virologist wrote a book about how he/she isolated some virus we should ignore his/her opinion because they are selling a book about that subject?

[kilowon]

56 minutes ago, GeoffB said:

 

 

Covid19 does exist but one virologist states that SARS-CoV-2 doesn't exist compared to 99.99% of all the other virologists in the world who say the virus is real.

I wouldn't let the Covid-19 experimental jab anywhere near me.

 

 

 

 

Please provide the source of your statistics where it was shown that 99.99percent of all virologist say the virus is real. You keep saying that covid exist, where is your proof. Where is the scientific papers where sarscov2 was isolated and shown to be the cause of covid19 in human. please cite your sources

[kilowon]

7 minutes ago, novymir said:

 

Bullshit.

What's with this "we" shit? It's you and only you. It's you who wants to maintain a clearly corrupt system.

It's you that is in love with the idea of  "contagious viruses".

 

exactly, not sure who are those we he kept talking about. Maybe Fraudci and drosten