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6 hours ago, Thoth001 said:

See, you are already wrong about the Terrain, how can you talk of something you know nothing about? It is well known that their are trillions of viruses in the body and they do exist. The difference is that a virus comes out to clean up your cell when it is poisoned. A virus isn't something that floats around in the sky, going from person to person making people sick.  That is a fear tactic used by big pharma using the germ theory because they make billions off of germ theory. In fact at one time virus just meant a poison if you go back to the etymology. Have you ever heard of exosomes?

 

If you go on the https://www.worldometers.info/ you will see there is no excess deaths during this so called pandemic. It is well known the MSM was using fear tactics and hyping up that hospitals were full, when that wasn't the case at all. In fact they were laying hospital staff off. I suggest you looking a little deeper into that, if you want to uncover the truth.

 

Would you be open to reading a recent book about all this? If so here is a link to the whole book and see what you think of it and come to your own conclusions.

 

The Contagion Myth - Why Viruses (including Coronavirus) are Not the Cause of Disease

 

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/contagion-myth.pdf

You didn't answer my 2 simple questions.

I know all about Terrain Theory and it denies the existence of viruses you are confusing them with germs.

I agree that Covid deaths have been overhyped and I know that Age Adjusted Mortality is less than previous years and I have never denied it. But deaths have been the highest for 12 years and were caused by something ie a new virus.

Of course I have heard of exosomes but they are not the cause of Covid which that psychiatrist Andrew Kaufman has been spouting.

I know all about The Contagion Myth which is written by another 2 quacks Thomas Cowan and Sally Fallon Morell who want the gullible to buy their book.

Another simple question for you.

If you are in a lift with someone with a streaming cold who happens to sneeze on you the chances are that you will come down with that same cold in a few days regardless of how fit and healthy your immune system is. If viruses don't exist what is the cause of you catching this same cold?

 

 

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16 minutes ago, Grumpy Owl said:

 

On what basis?

On the basis of the vast numbers of highly qualified virologists, epidemiologists, scientists and doctors who subscribe to Germ Theory versus the handful of people like Stefan Lanka, David Crowe, Andrew Kaufman, Thomas Cowan, Sally Fallon Morell, Sam Bailey, David Icke etc. who all have books to sell (some of whom have no virus expertise) who are advocates of Terrain Theory.

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22 hours ago, m754 said:

 

I think we are again making a mistake here by infighting.

 

These occultists use the power of words to create reality .

 

By saying--There is no virus--you are breaking the spell. How much any non-biologist like Icke can then explain about viruses and microbes comes later.

 

First, Break the Spell.

 

They pre-named a certain characteristic of 'disease' as caused due to virus, based on a process of elimination and pre-defining the attributes of such an ''organism'. What causes disease they labelled as viral disease is another discussion. ..and why invisible microbes are predominant in disease narrative now has a reason...and like I said another discussion. This is only to support David Icke's attempt to break us out of our trance ..

 

The freemasons controlling this world, lay claim to all God's work as their own, like the settlers going to a foreign land and putting the flag there or in Antarctica or whichever pole they went to..

 

they first  lay claim (discovery or 'invention') and then label it and then own it thus giving the power of controlling any outcome or output of it. These are weak weakest lowest level fake magicians with very limited tools to use.

 

 

 

 

 

 

A horse can be led to water, but can't be made to drink it...

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18 minutes ago, GeoffB said:

If you are in a lift with someone with a streaming cold who happens to sneeze on you the chances are that you will come down with that same cold in a few days regardless of how fit and healthy your immune system is. If viruses don't exist what is the cause of you catching this same cold?

 

As I'm pretty sure I've already said in this thread, or another one, perhaps this is all down to 'perception', or a matter of belief?

 

If we have been programmed from birth to 'believe' that if someone close to us develops cold-symptoms, then we will 'catch' their cold, isn't that what then happens?

 

For the record, early last year (2020) before all this Covid hysteria took off, both my colleagues at work had some kind of 'flu'. They struggled on for a few days before having a couple of days off to recover. Yet all the time they were coughing and sneezing around me, I did not come down with this 'flu' myself.

 

18 minutes ago, GeoffB said:

On the basis of the vast numbers of highly qualified virologists, epidemiologists, scientists and doctors who subscribe to Germ Theory

 

But how do these people become 'qualified'? Could they be at all wrong? These people become 'qualified' by going through an education system that tells them "what they need to know" with little scope for 'asking questions' or challenging orthodoxy.

 

'Experts' and 'highly qualified' people just become 'repeaters', and 'parrots', as David Icke himself explains in his books. One generation goes through the 'system', and then ends up training or 'programming' the next generation through the same system.

 

When you reach a point where "the science is settled", then you know there is a problem.

 

Because it is the people who 'challenge' or 'question' the science, that allow the science to progress and develop.

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There are no viruses.  There are exosomes. 

 

Little spikes that jut out of distressed cells to indicate distress or a disease, in a particular part ( terrain ) of our bodies

 

Our body is full of them. They are a vital part of the immune system. They inform our immune system that there is a problem, whereupon killer responses are activated

 

The vaccine is implanting by stealth synthetically created exosomes to appear in every organ and cell of our body - a trillion trojan horses.

 

When our natural immune system reacts to these liars, the result will not bode well for the host.

 

Pathogenic priming or ADE i think.

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19 hours ago, Grumpy Owl said:

Because it is the people who 'challenge' or 'question' the science, that allow the science to progress and develop.

Precisely, but not people who have very little understanding of viruses.


You and I probably agree on many, many things. I agree with David Icke 99% of the time particularly that Global Warming is a scam. I have been following David for the last 20 years and have researched Global Warming. There are hundreds of climate experts and thousands of scientists who disagree with the IPCC. The ratio maybe as a guesstimate 80:20 in favour of the IPCC but nowhere near the mythical 97% consensus that Global Warming is catastrophic. I have followed these hundreds of climate experts and thousands of scientists and they make a compelling case.


However, when we come to the fringe view that viruses do not exist the ratio appears to be about 99.99:0.01.
There is just not currently hundreds of virus experts and thousands of scientists who are saying that viruses do not exist.


You have a psychiatrist Andrew Kaufman and nutritionists saying it and a few medics but there is just not the expert research you can go to check the veracity of their claim. There is only one biologist/virologist and that is Stefan Lanka who admits he speaks to Kaufman on a regular basis and ALL of them have books to sell.


Therefore I am not in the least bit swayed by the "viruses do not exist" argument because I have done the research and there is just not enough information or data from a large number of experts to suggest that viruses do not exist. If and when more virologists join the “viruses do not exist” camp then there may be a case to answer.


Covid has been blown out of all proportion and I wouldn’t go anywhere near one of the PCR/LF tests or vaccines. It would be helpful if those in the alternative media could speak with one voice to force governments to rethink their approach. Most of what they say is correct but coming out with the very, very fringe view that viruses do not exist is a distraction which is not going to garner support from the general public. 
 

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22 hours ago, Grumpy Owl said:

 

On what basis?

Fear.  Conflict of interest. Mind-control.

(they generally don't have a clue as to the depth of it and how controlled they are.)

 

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5 hours ago, GeoffB said:

However, when we come to the fringe view that viruses do not exist the ratio appears to be about 99.99:0.01.
There is just not currently hundreds of virus experts and thousands of scientists who are saying that viruses do not exis

Hey Geoff , that sounds like something very close to the survival rates of this so called global pandemic, (excluding the very elderly, who usually have comorbidities - their real causes of death.- combined with medazolan and rendesevir)

 

I guess if you took the latter people out of the equation then it is very hard to argue that this virus actually even exists , certainly if you look at the numbers.

 

Maybe you have evidence to the contrary?

 

 

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5 hours ago, GeoffB said:

However, when we come to the fringe view that viruses do not exist the ratio appears to be about 99.99:0.01.
There is just not currently hundreds of virus experts and thousands of scientists who are saying that viruses do not exist.

 

But the thing is that these virus 'experts' and scientists aren't likely to turn around and admit "actually viruses don't exist" because they have a 'vested interest'. Their job, their livelihood (and the research funding they receive) all revolves around their 'belief' that viruses do indeed exist.

 

5 hours ago, GeoffB said:

Therefore I am not in the least bit swayed by the "viruses do not exist" argument because I have done the research and there is just not enough information or data from a large number of experts to suggest that viruses do not exist. If and when more virologists join the “viruses do not exist” camp then there may be a case to answer.

 

The virologists and epidemologists aren't the ones who will present the research that shows viruses don't exist. Just as much as church vicars, pastors and priests won't provide evidence or data to suggest that God does not exist. 😉

 

The medical and pharmaceutical establishment will vehemently retaliate against anyone who dares to challenge their orthodoxy. Case in point, look at what happened to Dr Ryke Hamer, who established the concept of 'German New Medicine'.

 

 

He tried to present his findings to the medical establishment in Germany for evaluation, and was basically threatened with dismissal if he did not renounce his work.

 

That's just one example I know of, and I'm sure there are others out there.

 

The 'experts' will defend their orthodoxy to the hilt, because so much depends on it.

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4 minutes ago, Grumpy Owl said:

The medical and pharmaceutical establishment will vehemently retaliate against anyone who dares to challenge their orthodoxy. Case in point, look at what happened to Dr Ryke Hamer, who established the concept of 'German New Medicine'.

 

 

He tried to present his findings to the medical establishment in Germany for evaluation, and was basically threatened with dismissal if he did not renounce his work.

 

That's just one example I know of, and I'm sure there are others out there.

 

The 'experts' will defend their orthodoxy to the hilt, because so much depends on it.

Great post G.O.  Especially the above for me.  Listening to this man a couple of years ago, confirmed much of my own thinking and experience with regards to health in general.

 

As someone who would  be defined as "should have died  years ago" by any modern medical orthordoxy as we know it, below is how I have become to see it.

 

Your health is almost entirely in your mind.

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On 8/14/2021 at 4:00 AM, GeoffB said:

No, I'm going by the overwhelming expertise and knowledge of the worlds medical and scientific professions over the last 150 years who have been dealing with germs and viruses.

 

On 8/14/2021 at 4:06 AM, GeoffB said:

Two simple questions for you and other people latching on to Terrain Theory that viruses do not exist.

 

If Covid19 is just relabelled flu why is Covid19 causing hospitalisations and deaths outside of cold and flu seasons?

 

Medical profession and scientists created the story about germs and viruses causing diseases in a way which suited them. To make money and gain control. 

 

As to whether terrain  and germ theory are correct or what causes any disease identified as due to viruses, there can be a different approach to this subject.

 

First of all, Terrain does not mean your body only. You can swallow all the vitamins pills and detox and sanitise and think that as long as you have control over your 'terrain body', no germs will enter.  But the fact is that as long as you inhabit a physical body in this reality, you are connected to a web that joins all life forms, beings and forces of nature, both visible and invisible. 

 

The whole idea of a separate body that then needs protection and isolation from germs deemed to be an outside enemy, was developed by freemasons in the name of a progress based on science and modern medicine.

 

We are in an interconnected web of a multitude of life forms and forces of nature. 


If changes are made anywhere within that web, there will be adjustments made to compensate or bring a reset.

 

Secondly, just as some doctors and nutritionists speak of our bodies periodically entering a detox phase, or adapting to new environments such as when travelling to unfamiliar places—

would it be such a big leap of faith to envision these resets and detox happening in the body of nature as well? 

 

All nature around us is alive and intelligent.

It is not just isolated units we think of as nature such as trees or flowers or rivers, it is all the connections between the units plus the units themselves. 

 

The controllers are opportunistic and are fooling and scaring people to try and play god by bypassing nature’s intelligence and assuming more control and power under the guise of helping humanity face an adversary—like they do with wars against enemy nations.

 

 

But the fact remains that we do fall sick, and go through what have been labelled flu like symptoms.

 

So what causes all these illnesses identified as caused due to viral infection?

 

Keyword is identified.

 

The freemasons eg Pasteur et al, TOLD US that the blob they saw through the microscope is a new infectious life form that needs to be fought against. It did not exist in our vocabulary until then. So it is given a label, and its characteristics were defined so all future microscopic things can be labelled as such. What was the situation in people's natural surroundings, state of mind, invisible forces, radiation etc. when those diseases were noticed?

 

Eg. Like growing a mono crop--, the soil does not regenerate if there are no other crops in rotation along with a resting phase, to give time for the soil nutrients to be replenished. So with a crop grown on such soil, if a disease takes hold of a plant and it appears to be a new disease, should we be isolating and distilling the infected plant or looking at what changes have occurred in the biome of the plant? Targeting the plant in isolation will only require more destructive methods while nature does the same in an 'intelligent' way.

 

But anyway, the scientists started with the isolating of a new germ, call it as virus and this is handed down to medical students down the years. How will they question something that is the foundation of their profession?


By distilling what the scientists labelled as ‘toxin’ (based on their rule of re-enforcing a constant fight against an outside enemy to scare and rule humanity), and saying that they have isolated the germ, they could then target an attack–—now the medicine they give  by flooding the body with a ‘germ’ load that sends the body into overdrive to fight anything with that protein/ cellular structure thus weakening and overburdening the immune system, creating cellular distress and damage, maybe killing a few people. ((layman’s language-- so apologies for that)

 

And leading to mutations because the infectious agent cannot find the connecting link in the web of life to enter host and complete its life cycle, so it reprograms itself. 

 

By letting the body go through the normal cycle of making contact with 'infectious' agents or rather nature, even though it might adversely affect a few people, the balance of nature is kept intact and the purpose for which the agent appeared is fulfilled (this will require another discussion-it is a bit off topic here).  But in brief--In the web of life—human state of existence and its life span and adverse effects they have on surroundings are themselves causal agents for triggering a response from the rest of the web of life.

 

Vaccine response--
Now having identified the body's response as caused due to a virus, the Rockefeller pharma says that take this medicine or vaccine and you will be cured and because short term immune system boost happens due to triggering an over active fighting response in body, because the body becomes hostile to life forms replicating, it seems to save a few lives, people fall for it.

But the benefit is short lived.
Because the receptors within us that connect to the web of life were suppressed or re-programmed. That affects both the ‘good’ and the ‘bad’ messages that are sent to us through those links and thus our ability to process future interactions with nature goes down, as well as our raw connection to ‘source’ energy that works through this web. So instead of drawing from the fountainhead of supreme energy and life, we block access to that source and instead sustain life artificially on a borrowed lifeline. This will create an energy debt for future life so that there will be greater entropy and decay and increasing reliance on artificial support until the final stage.

 

What is this agent we call a virus?

As to whether what this germ or infectious agent is, somewhat vaguely and from a layman’s perspective, a virus can be said to be a program code that is testing for something periodically in this web of life, perhaps it is a test of assimilation? Or merely an agent that drives the reset process of nature..?

 

 

However since our connection to raw nature and to god is already very weak and we already have re-programmed/unnatural state/ immune response suppressed bodies, the power of this agent does not have the same destructive force it would have had, were we ‘closer’ to our original forms. Where everything played out on a grander scale.

 

That is why this whole covid hoax seems to be such a long drawn slow storyline with no major  catastrophic event happening, only the threat of such an event hangs in the air like a Damocles’ sword, to keep the fear state in active mode.

 

But even with this knowledge, the controllers will not let such an opportunity pass especially since they know that the turn of events in current timeline closely follows the same milestones as all previous versions that played out on a much grander scale, only with less force, and so they take this as an opportunity to consolidate their power and control.

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On 8/14/2021 at 8:18 PM, GeoffB said:

On the basis of the vast numbers of highly qualified virologists, epidemiologists, scientists and doctors who subscribe to Germ Theory versus the handful of people like Stefan Lanka, David Crowe, Andrew Kaufman, Thomas Cowan, Sally Fallon Morell, Sam Bailey, David Icke etc. who all have books to sell (some of whom have no virus expertise) who are advocates of Terrain Theory.

What virus expertise do the vast number of highly qualified virologist have? No one has ever shown a virus to exist outside of computer simulation. So where did they get their vast experience from? Not in real life certainly

 

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18 hours ago, GeoffB said:

Precisely, but not people who have very little understanding of viruses.


You and I probably agree on many, many things. I agree with David Icke 99% of the time particularly that Global Warming is a scam. I have been following David for the last 20 years and have researched Global Warming. There are hundreds of climate experts and thousands of scientists who disagree with the IPCC. The ratio maybe as a guesstimate 80:20 in favour of the IPCC but nowhere near the mythical 97% consensus that Global Warming is catastrophic. I have followed these hundreds of climate experts and thousands of scientists and they make a compelling case.


However, when we come to the fringe view that viruses do not exist the ratio appears to be about 99.99:0.01.
There is just not currently hundreds of virus experts and thousands of scientists who are saying that viruses do not exist.


You have a psychiatrist Andrew Kaufman and nutritionists saying it and a few medics but there is just not the expert research you can go to check the veracity of their claim. There is only one biologist/virologist and that is Stefan Lanka who admits he speaks to Kaufman on a regular basis and ALL of them have books to sell.


Therefore I am not in the least bit swayed by the "viruses do not exist" argument because I have done the research and there is just not enough information or data from a large number of experts to suggest that viruses do not exist. If and when more virologists join the “viruses do not exist” camp then there may be a case to answer.


Covid has been blown out of all proportion and I wouldn’t go anywhere near one of the PCR/LF tests or vaccines. It would be helpful if those in the alternative media could speak with one voice to force governments to rethink their approach. Most of what they say is correct but coming out with the very, very fringe view that viruses do not exist is a distraction which is not going to garner support from the general public. 
 

Have you done any research in this to verify for yourself that virus exist? Like have you read any of the papers which has supposedly isolated any virus to see if they actually did what they claimed to have done? You can go there and see for yourself that over 80 medical institution all across the world have already admitted to not having any evidence of the isolation of the virus. Go there and see for yourself. https://www.fluoridefreepeel.ca/fois-reveal-that-health-science-institutions-around-the-world-have-no-record-of-sars-cov-2-isolation-purification/

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Germ theory devotees always say that germ must be infectious because they have many experience where someone would get a flu and then others will come down with it. However, there is a few thing they do not take into account when making such a statement. First, what proof is there that it is germ that cause infection? There is absolutely no scientific evidence whatsoever to prove that germ cause diseases. In fact, each time scientist have tried to prove this, without resorting to injecting subject with a soup of toxic materials, they have been unable to do so. Like the various experiments done during the Spanish flu to try to get sick people to infect healthy people. Every single time they could not get the sick people to infect the healthy. Even John Enders himself, the father of modern vaccine, did control experiment himself which refute the claim that virus exist or are even infectious. Also they forget to take into account the many times that someone get a flu and yet everyone around them does not get it. Secondly, they do not take into account environmental factors that may be responsible for the members of the household, who are all exposed to the same environment, coming down with the flu. Let me give two examples to illustrate my point. For centuries it was thought that scurvy was an infectious disease, This was because one sailor would come down with scurvy and then others would follow. The assumption was that the first sailor have passed the disease to the rest. However, it was later discovered that scurvy was caused by lacks in nutrition. Another example is that of trees shedding leaves in autumn. One tree will start shedding and then the rest will follow. Now if you did not understand seasons you would think there were some sort of disease being spread by the first tree when it is in fact a completely natural process.

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14 hours ago, Grumpy Owl said:

The 'experts' will defend their orthodoxy to the hilt, because so much depends on it.

Of course they will but that hasn't stopped hundreds of climate experts and thousands of scientists signing petitions and writing articles and scientific papers to refute catastrophic anthropological global warming.

Where are the people with PhD's in virology coming out in support of "no viruses exist"?

Where are the retired scientists who no longer worry about funding or their careers coming out in support of "no viruses exist"?

Name me someone alive today qualified in virology other than Stefan Lanka who supports "no viruses exist".

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53 minutes ago, kilowon said:

You can go there and see for yourself that over 80 medical institution all across the world have already admitted to not having any evidence of the isolation of the virus.

The question asked to these institutions was worded in a particular way asking for proof that viruses have been purified and isolated without any other particles. Viruses do not work that way, they are only active when attacking another cell so it is impossible to "isolate" a virus without another cell being present. Virologists know this but it doesn't stop them agreeing that viruses exist. The people who worded the question are using semantics to try to prove that viruses don't exist and not science.

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On 7/19/2021 at 8:49 AM, Truthspoon said:

 

I don't know but I don't think it is possible to 'isolate' any virus. 

 

Virus are always studied and stored within the context of infecting kidney cells or such. 

 

So in that definition they are not isolated, they are studied within an existing cell.

 

I think the point is viruses probably die if they have no cells to infect. 

Then how do they exist outside the bodies to spread to someone else?

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14 hours ago, MarcusOmouse said:

Maybe you have evidence to the contrary?

In 2020 the Age Standardised Mortality for England was the highest it had been for 12 years.

The vast, vast majority of virologists, epidemiologists, scientists, medical professionals and many in the alternative media say this was caused by a new virus SARS-CoV-2 released from a bioweapons lab either accidently or deliberately or it was a zoonotic natural virus.

Lockdowns, DNR's and drugging the elderly will have killed some but not all.

Therefore the statistics point to a virus causing most of these excess deaths.

A handful of unqualified people in the alternative media think viruses don't exist and some have twisted themselves in knots by saying that viruses don't exist but these people died of the flu which is caused by a virus.

A novel virus is the most likely cause of these unexplained deaths where the symptoms of Hypercania and Hypoxia are different to most other respiratory diseases.

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For the record, I was ‘diagnosed’ with ‘covid’ in January this year while I was in hospital for psychiatric problems.

 

For ten days solid I had a high temperature, experienced a reduction in my sense of taste and had ‘off the chart’ dangerously low blood pressure.  I also have asthma but my breathing was unaffected.

 

I also peed the bed once.

 

i have never experienced anything like it before, but I am still with David in saying I believe covid is all a load of horseshit.  I definitely had something nasty, but it certainly wasn’t covid.  That’s how I see it.

 

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55 minutes ago, Steve H said:

For the record, I was ‘diagnosed’ with ‘covid’ in January this year while I was in hospital for psychiatric problems.

 

For ten days solid I had a high temperature, experienced a reduction in my sense of taste and had ‘off the chart’ dangerously low blood pressure.  I also have asthma but my breathing was unaffected.

 

I also peed the bed once.

 

i have never experienced anything like it before, but I am still with David in saying I believe covid is all a load of horseshit.  I definitely had something nasty, but it certainly wasn’t covid.  That’s how I see it.

 

 

Yes. The symptoms are different.

 

I lost a very dear member of my family early last year after showing severe  unusual symptoms

This new form seems to be affecting the 'throat chakra' (for those who believe in chakras and stuff) and is actually not a respiratory passage or fluids in  lung problem, that would be what any coronaviruses would do, as per their own identified terminology. So that in itself refutes what they are saying..

 

When David Icke and others say that there is no virus, they do not say that there is no disease or illness. People have been getting sick, recovering, etc. since time immemorial. But they mean that the illness experienced is not due to the cause identified by the cabal. It could be due to several other reasons as people are trying to identify. Sadly, people are associating all illness with virus now. This gives more power to the cabal and therefore first of all, this belief in viruses has to be questioned by looking at who profits from the virus narrative. The virus narrative helps the controllers play out the 'problem-reaction-solution' card that Icke often talks about.

 

In this case as well, the problem itself has been wrongly identified.

 

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6 hours ago, Truthspoon said:

 

The virus is in mucus cells, saliva, tiny water droplets...it's technically still not isolated.

Can you show me one scientific paper that show this?  You will not find one as virologist themselves admit that they have no way to know of a virus apart from under EM microscopy. Of course, no one have ever use a EM microscope to look at water droplet floating freely so of course no one knows if virus exist in water droplet. Remember EM can only look at dead thing. I suggest people read Harold Hillman The Living Cell to understand how virology is nothing more than a lab created and computer generated pseudoscience

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Expecting people that have invested their identity and lives into the idea that "virus' are a part of "reality" to suddenly decide, "oh, wait, I've been living a lie, contagious virus' don't actually exist, it's all a big mistake, and while I believed I was doing a great work for the benefit of humanity, I now realize I've been playing a part in a great deception that is actually degrading the health of people for a nefarious objective, oh dopey me, glad I figured that out...".

"Oh, wait...". "Don't think I'm going to go there...". "...that's insane...".(very, very, fringe...).

...A SYSTEM OF BELIEF...

The satanic manipulators are betting on fear, pride, greed, and vanity; the individual egos, to keep their subjects in line.

When an human "morphs into an agent" is when the ego is triggered and takes over in service to the collective ego(matrix).

 

 

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