David Icke's claim that 'there is no virus'?

[Weedo]

16 minutes ago, novymir said:

You think/believe *this* or *that* is "reality"? You're dreaming.

I know, when we're in the middle of it, hallucinations seem very real...and most wouldn't want to accept that it's their own hijacked mind that is generating the perceived experience.

That's what it is. A mind conjuring up a perception and experience that conforms to principles and premises contrary to Truth. You're looking into your mind and projecting a part of yourself into the "world" of untruth.

EgoMatrix.

I'm not in the body, the body is in my mind. I'm not in the world, the world is in my mind.

Smith is both "positive" and "negative",,, yin-yang, 2-faced false identity/false world. (there is no "dark side of the moon,,,as a matter of fact; it's all dark.).

 

 

 

so where is the limit of reality and not reality? What makes the people showing unique covid symptoms that are similar to the side effects of the fake vaccine, not real, while other diseases are real? Or is everything not real to you? I honestly don't know exactly where the line between reality and my projection takes place, in an attempt to stay humble. When I took mushrooms I could literally see the painting come out and move around in the air. And until today I feel it was real. Maybe it is always doing that, but we don't see it.

[Weedo]

8 minutes ago, Basket Case said:

You've been a member for 6 weeks and only just thought to share this 'experience'.  

l've never had a ' a nanobot artificial flu ' - sounds awful  

 

yeah I have so much to share, but so little time 

 

it was quite awful, but for every person it is different. Personally I think it has to do with this 

 

Self-disseminating 'vaccines' ...

 

"One possibility is to eliminate the threat of spillover before it occurs using vaccines capable of autonomously spreading through wild animal reservoirs. We are now poised to begin developing self-disseminating vaccines targeting a wide range of human pathogens,"

 

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41559-020-1254-y

 

so this fake vaccine bioweapon or at least bio-manipulation tool is simply jumping from one host to another like an artificial pathogen.

 

That's my guess. But I definitely fell victim to it, and it hit me harder than most. At one point i had 41 degrees fever, with my dad calling me and saying that life is beautiful and that I shouldn't die. This was because i refused to take any meds, and then after than phone call, I accepted some fever suppressing pharma products from my wife.

 

 

[novymir]

9 minutes ago, Weedo said:

 

so where is the limit of reality and not reality? What makes the people showing unique covid symptoms that are similar to the side effects of the fake vaccine, not real, while other diseases are real? Or is everything not real to you? I honestly don't know exactly where the line between reality and my projection takes place, in an attempt to stay humble. When I took mushrooms I could literally see the painting come out and move around in the air. And until today I feel it was real. Maybe it is always doing that, but we don't see it.

https://www.biblehub.com/matthew/7-7.htm

Spiritual Christ. Not religious Christ.

TRUTH.

[Beaujangles]

On 8/10/2021 at 5:33 AM, GeoffB said:

This guy has been struck off from being a doctor and is now an unlicensed health coach.

Hardly a reliable source.

https://calmatters.org/health/2021/02/conspiracy-theory-doctor-surrenders-medical-license/

 

 

Are you a reliable source... I say no. Maybe if you gave a reason for your asinine opinions they may carry an ounce of weight... but I`m guessing even that would be grossly exaggerated.

[Beaujangles]

3 hours ago, Weedo said:

 

yeah I have so much to share, but so little time 

 

it was quite awful, but for every person it is different. Personally I think it has to do with this 

 

Self-disseminating 'vaccines' ...

 

"One possibility is to eliminate the threat of spillover before it occurs using vaccines capable of autonomously spreading through wild animal reservoirs. We are now poised to begin developing self-disseminating vaccines targeting a wide range of human pathogens,"

 

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41559-020-1254-y

 

so this fake vaccine bioweapon or at least bio-manipulation tool is simply jumping from one host to another like an artificial pathogen.

 

That's my guess. But I definitely fell victim to it, and it hit me harder than most. At one point i had 41 degrees fever, with my dad calling me and saying that life is beautiful and that I shouldn't die. This was because i refused to take any meds, and then after than phone call, I accepted some fever suppressing pharma products from my wife.

 

 

 

 

So like all fairytales...everything was ok in the end.

[Beaujangles]

4 hours ago, Basket Case said:

You've been a member for 6 weeks and only just thought to share this 'experience'.  

l've never had a ' a nanobot artificial flu ' - sounds awful  

 

 

...and already has almost 50% of the amount of posts that I have ...and I have been on here over a year..... Been a busy bee. maybe its those nanobots  driving the fingers...

[Thoth001]

On 8/10/2021 at 4:33 AM, GeoffB said:

This guy has been struck off from being a doctor and is now an unlicensed health coach.

Hardly a reliable source.

https://calmatters.org/health/2021/02/conspiracy-theory-doctor-surrenders-medical-license/

 

And I am sure you think Dr. Fauci and Jen Psaki are reliable sources.

 

If you ever learn anything you will learn that medical doctors will lose their license for going up against the Pharma Cartel. I suggest reading up on the Rockefellers and how they took over the medical system and the education system.

[Thoth001]

COVID Not Isolated, Cannot Be Located, Does Not EXIST! FOIA Response Reveals Worldwide HOAX!

 

https://www.roxytube.com/watch/covid-not-isolated-cannot-be-located-does-not-exist-foia-response-reveals-worldwide-hoax_ypxYfOtfJlPIICm.html

 

https://thefreedomarticles.com/covid-19-umbrella-term-fake-pandemic-not-1-disease-cause/

 

https://www.fda.gov/media/134922/download

 

https://www.drrobertyoung.com/post/freedom-of-information-responses-on-cov-2

 

https://www.fluoridefreepeel.ca/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Health-Canada-FinalResponse-A-2020-00208-2020-06-13.pdf

 

[Apotheosis]

11 hours ago, Beaujangles said:

 

 

Are you a reliable source... I say no. Maybe if you gave a reason for your asinine opinions they may carry an ounce of weight... but I`m guessing even that would be grossly exaggerated.

 

It's obvious his entire mindset with regards to truth revolves around the fiction of "authority".

[GeoffB]

9 hours ago, Thoth001 said:

And I am sure you think Dr. Fauci and Jen Psaki are reliable sources.

Of course I don't.

Reliable sources are the millions of medical professionals around the world who have seen the peculiar symptoms of Covid-19 which are different to anything they have seen before in flu and pneumonia cases in hospital.

Something caused Covid-19 and the most likely culprit is a new virus possibly created in a lab which escaped by accident or by design.

People in the alternative media stating that ALL viruses do not exist is a diversion and they are letting the global elite responsible for this "plandemic" off the hook.

[novymir]

45 minutes ago, GeoffB said:

Of course I don't.

Reliable sources are the millions of medical professionals around the world who have seen the peculiar symptoms of Covid-19 which are different to anything they have seen before in flu and pneumonia cases in hospital.

Something caused Covid-19 and the most likely culprit is a new virus possibly created in a lab which escaped by accident or by design.

People in the alternative media stating that ALL viruses do not exist is a diversion and they are letting the global elite responsible for this "plandemic" off the hook.

You're nuts.

And a copy-cat...

Didn't like it when I clicked the laughing emoticon on your posts hmm? So you start doing it to others...except......anyone with half a brain and reason operating can see you're laughing at some of the most intelligent and reasonable posts here.

So.... the joke is on YOU----Artificial intelligence is an oxymoron. (your master is a born loser).

[Thoth001]

9 hours ago, GeoffB said:

Of course I don't.

Reliable sources are the millions of medical professionals around the world who have seen the peculiar symptoms of Covid-19 which are different to anything they have seen before in flu and pneumonia cases in hospital.

Something caused Covid-19 and the most likely culprit is a new virus possibly created in a lab which escaped by accident or by design.

People in the alternative media stating that ALL viruses do not exist is a diversion and they are letting the global elite responsible for this "plandemic" off the hook.

SARS-CoV-2 has not been proven to exist: the shocking research of Christine Massey

 

You can view the work of Christine Massey at her site, fluoridefreepeel.ca (also, twitter: [1]). She deserves the thanks of every thinking person.

 

Quoting Massey [2]: “I (CM), along with some anonymous helpers, have submitted Freedom of Information requests to various Canadian institutions seeking records that describe the isolation of ‘SARS-COV-2’ (the alleged ‘COVID-19 virus’) from an unadulterated sample taken from a diseased patient.

 

“My requests were intentionally worded to weed out the fraudulent, illogical and unscientific claims of having ‘isolated SARS-COV-2’, of which there are many…”

 

“My requests were not limited to records of isolation performed by the respective institution, and not limited to records authored by the respective institution, rather they were open to records of isolation performed by anyone, anywhere on the planet.”

 

“Colleagues in numerous other countries have obtained responses to the same and similar information requests from dozens of additional institutions.”

 

“As of January 22, 2021 46 institutions and offices have responded to said requests. Every institution has failed to provide, or cite, even 1 record describing the actual isolation of any ‘SARS-COV-2’ from a patient sample by anyone, anywhere on the planet, ever.”

 

Here is a typical response to a Massey request, from the Ontario Ministry of Health. The response arrived after four months: “This is to inform you that no responsive records were located. A reasonable search of the ministry was conducted, and no responsive records were found. Dr. David C. Williams, Chief Medical Officer of Health, is responsible for this decision.”

 

NO records indicating SARS-CoV-2 has been isolated. “Isolated” means “separated from other material.” It means “we actually found the virus and could identify it.”

 

ACTUAL ISOLATION MEANS THE VIRUS EXISTS. INABILITY TO ISOLATE IT MEANS THERE IS NO PROOF THE VIRUS EXISTS.

 

Read Further:

 

https://stateofthenation.co/?p=49936

 

[Thoth001]

 Covid does NOT exist as a novel, isolated virus … proven in COURT by courageous Canadian

 

One courageous Canadian man’s court case lays the foundation, and it sets the winning precedent, for all cases where people are harassed, fined or arrested for supposedly violating Covid “safety” rules and regulations, at any level.

 

You can file a challenge against these unconstitutional, anti-science “health acts” and you will win in court, because the virus has never been isolated from symptomatic patients and proven to cause any sickness or disease, so the vaccine and Covid fanatics have no recourse and no science to rely on to prove their claims.

In other words, if you can’t prove Covid exists as a “novel” coronavirus that carries an existential threat to humankind, then we can’t be held liable for failing to abide by rules and regulations based on its existence and threat. This means no vaccines, no masks, no social distancing, no closures of small businesses, no lockdowns, no limiting gatherings, no virtual school “distance learning,” and most of all, no pandemic.

 

https://www.informedchoiceaustralia.com/post/bombshell-covid-does-not-exist-as-a-novel-isolated-virus-proven-in-court-by-courageous-canadian

 

[GeoffB]

6 hours ago, Thoth001 said:

ACTUAL ISOLATION MEANS THE VIRUS EXISTS. INABILITY TO ISOLATE IT MEANS THERE IS NO PROOF THE VIRUS EXISTS.

Measles, flu, the common cold and all other viruses have never been isolated or purified but it doesn't mean they don't exist.

[GeoffB]

6 hours ago, Thoth001 said:

 Covid does NOT exist as a novel, isolated virus … proven in COURT by courageous Canadian

 

One courageous Canadian man’s court case lays the foundation, and it sets the winning precedent, for all cases where people are harassed, fined or arrested for supposedly violating Covid “safety” rules and regulations, at any level.

 

You can file a challenge against these unconstitutional, anti-science “health acts” and you will win in court, because the virus has never been isolated from symptomatic patients and proven to cause any sickness or disease, so the vaccine and Covid fanatics have no recourse and no science to rely on to prove their claims.

In other words, if you can’t prove Covid exists as a “novel” coronavirus that carries an existential threat to humankind, then we can’t be held liable for failing to abide by rules and regulations based on its existence and threat. This means no vaccines, no masks, no social distancing, no closures of small businesses, no lockdowns, no limiting gatherings, no virtual school “distance learning,” and most of all, no pandemic.

 

https://www.informedchoiceaustralia.com/post/bombshell-covid-does-not-exist-as-a-novel-isolated-virus-proven-in-court-by-courageous-canadian

 

Fake news.

"Alberta did not drop COVID-19 restrictions due to a rejected subpoena that asked for proof the virus had been isolated. The province still has some COVID-19 restrictions in place."

"Alberta dropped mandatory quarantine requirements for close contacts of COVID-19 cases on July 28, 2021. Hinshaw told a news conference the province needed to scale back the focus on COVID-19 so resources can be deployed to tackle other respiratory illnesses that are likely to climb in the fall"

It was nothing to do with this Canadian man's court case.

Although Reuters have ties to Big Pharma the truth of that case is shown in this article although they are wrong to say the virus has been isolated.

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-alberta-case-idUSL1N2PE0EX

[Thoth001]

2 hours ago, GeoffB said:

Fake news.

"Alberta did not drop COVID-19 restrictions due to a rejected subpoena that asked for proof the virus had been isolated. The province still has some COVID-19 restrictions in place."

"Alberta dropped mandatory quarantine requirements for close contacts of COVID-19 cases on July 28, 2021. Hinshaw told a news conference the province needed to scale back the focus on COVID-19 so resources can be deployed to tackle other respiratory illnesses that are likely to climb in the fall"

It was nothing to do with this Canadian man's court case.

Although Reuters have ties to Big Pharma the truth of that case is shown in this article although they are wrong to say the virus has been isolated.

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-alberta-case-idUSL1N2PE0EX

Well for one thing it had nothing to with what your Rothchild fact checker is talking about. It was all about exposing that the virus don't exist. You can file a challenge against these unconstitutional, anti-science “health acts” and you will win in court, because the virus has never been isolated from symptomatic patients and proven to cause any sickness or disease, so the vaccine and Covid fanatics have no recourse and no science to rely on to prove their claims.

 

https://www.roxytube.com/watch/canadian-patriot-shuts-down-covid-hoax-in-alberta-patrick-king-on-the-stew-peters-show-must-see_7QwUbtJgdtwEkGP.html

 

And now let's take a look at your Reuters:

 

Besides their many castles, palace mansions, wineries, race horses and exotic resorts, the Rothschild’s bought Reuters in the 1800’s. Reuters then bought the Associated Press, which selects and delivers the same new stories to the entire world, day after day. They have controlling interests in three major television networks and easily avoid media attention, since they own the media. Until recently, they owned and operated England’s Royal Mint and continue to be the gold agent for the Bank of England, which they also direct. 

 

http://stateofthenation.co/?p=39390

 

Who Owns The Media? Who Owns Reuters? Who Owns The AP?

 

Reuters was previously owned by the Rothschild banking family. They sold Reuters to the Thompson family in 2008. The new company is called Thompson-Reuters.  The Thompson family owns a majority of shares at 53%.Historically, no single individual has been permitted to own more than 15% of Reuters, under the first of the Reuters Principles, which states, “Reuters shall at no time pass into the hands of any one interest, group or faction.” However, that restriction was waived for the purchase by the Thomson family.

 

http://www.molonlabemedia.com/2016/05/06/media-ap-reuters-owned/

 

 

[Thoth001]

2 hours ago, GeoffB said:

Measles, flu, the common cold and all other viruses have never been isolated or purified but it doesn't mean they don't exist.

So your going by faith that they are all viruses that cause disease? Have you ever thought that maybe Germ Theory is inaccurate? Hence it has never been proven, which is why it is a theory. However they did do experiments over 100 years ago and couldn't prove contagion. Did you ever think that maybe it is the Terrain of the body and certain poisons? 

 

The Rosenau Experiment, 1918-1919

https://www.gjenvick.com/Influenza/TheRosenauExperiment-1918-1919.html

 

The Contagion Myth - Why Viruses (including Coronavirus) are Not the Cause of Disease

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/contagion-myth.pdf

 

 

[novymir]

Hahahahahaha....!!!

The burdon of proof for a "claim" rests with the claimant. Claiming "the virus" exists and "is a deadly contagion"  requires PROOF to back up such a claim, using "the scientific method", ie; honest, repeatable, falsifiable, testing of a hypothesis.

And even then,,,, it cannot be claimed to be "absolute truth"(which these psuedo-science con-artists are doing without actual proof).

Basically D.I. is responding to something(a prior claim) with a rejection/denial of the validity of the claim. That in of itself is not a claim...

And need not be proven. He provides an alternate scenario that he believes is legitimate, that is all. Take it or leave it.

 

 

ps;

"what falsifiability means and how it is used in science and how it relates to truth. Unfalsifiable does not mean true. Quite the contrary! Falsifiable does not mean false!

Falsifiable = able to be proven false = refutable = disprovable

Falsifiable does not mean false. It instead refers to the ability/capacity/capability of a hypothesis/conjecture/theory to be proven false (disproven).

Unfalsifiable = not able to be proven false = irrefutable = not disprovable.

Unfalsifiable does not mean true!

An unfalsifiable proposition means that its 'falsity' cannot be determined, that we cannot know whether or not it is false (and thereby whether it is true), and that we cannot have justification to believe that it is true.

Falsifiability is the one and only necessary and sufficient condition for a theory to be scientific and therefore fall under the purview of science. If a hypothesis is not falsifiable, it cannot be considered scientific, and thereby disqualifies from the realm of science as well as from scientific discourse. A scientific theory must be falsifiable!

The logic of science has an inductive component and a deductive component.

The inductive component of the logic of science is the principle of induction, which is applied to data in order to arrive at natural laws, i.e., inductive generalizations of the descriptive laws of nature.

The deductive component of the logic of science is the falsifiability criterion: the one and only both necessary and sufficient condition for demarcation, i.e., distinguishing science from pseudoscience.

In order to believe as many true things and as few false things as possible, one must have logical criterion that rules out accepting propositions that are false and unfalsifiable, i.e., false and unable to be proven to be so, and instead accept propositions that are true and falsifiable, i.e. true and able to be proven false. Falsifiability refers to the capacity of a proposition to be proven false. If a proposition is in fact false, there must be a way for us to determine this. If a proposition is unfalsifiable, then by definition it cannot be falsified and there can be no way for us to determine the falsity of the proposition."

https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/52767/whats-the-difference-between-unfalsifiable-and-true

 

 

Edited August 13, 2021 by novymir

[Guest m754]

 

I think we are again making a mistake here by infighting.

 

These occultists use the power of words to create reality .

 

By saying--There is no virus--you are breaking the spell. How much any non-biologist like Icke can then explain about viruses and microbes comes later.

 

First, Break the Spell.

 

They pre-named a certain characteristic of 'disease' as caused due to virus, based on a process of elimination and pre-defining the attributes of such an ''organism'. What causes disease they labelled as viral disease is another discussion. ..and why invisible microbes are predominant in disease narrative now has a reason...and like I said another discussion. This is only to support David Icke's attempt to break us out of our trance ..

 

The freemasons controlling this world, lay claim to all God's work as their own, like the settlers going to a foreign land and putting the flag there or in Antarctica or whichever pole they went to..

 

they first  lay claim (discovery or 'invention') and then label it and then own it thus giving the power of controlling any outcome or output of it. These are weak weakest lowest level fake magicians with very limited tools to use.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 13, 2021 by m754

[GeoffB]

17 hours ago, Thoth001 said:

So your going by faith that they are all viruses that cause disease?

No, I'm going by the overwhelming expertise and knowledge of the worlds medical and scientific professions over the last 150 years who have been dealing with germs and viruses. Not a couple of quacks like Thomas Cowan and Sally Fallon Morell who have a book to sell to the gullible.

[GeoffB]

17 hours ago, Thoth001 said:

Did you ever think that maybe it is the Terrain of the body and certain poisons? 

Two simple questions for you and other people latching on to Terrain Theory that viruses do not exist.

 

If Covid19 is just relabelled flu why is Covid19 causing hospitalisations and deaths outside of cold and flu seasons?

 

How can the virus SARS-CoV-2 which supposedly doesn't exist be attributed to flu (which is supposed to be a virus) when flu viruses and all other viruses don't exist?
 

[Grumpy Owl]

8 minutes ago, GeoffB said:

No, I'm going by the overwhelming expertise and knowledge of the worlds medical and scientific professions over the last 150 years who have been dealing with germs and viruses.

 

But do you at least consider the possibility that they may be wrong in some way?

[Thoth001]

37 minutes ago, GeoffB said:

Two simple questions for you and other people latching on to Terrain Theory that viruses do not exist.

 

If Covid19 is just relabelled flu why is Covid19 causing hospitalisations and deaths outside of cold and flu seasons?

 

How can the virus SARS-CoV-2 which supposedly doesn't exist be attributed to flu (which is supposed to be a virus) when flu viruses and all other viruses don't exist?
 

See, you are already wrong about the Terrain, how can you talk of something you know nothing about? It is well known that their are trillions of viruses in the body and they do exist. The difference is that a virus comes out to clean up your cell when it is poisoned. A virus isn't something that floats around in the sky, going from person to person making people sick.  That is a fear tactic used by big pharma using the germ theory because they make billions off of germ theory. In fact at one time virus just meant a poison if you go back to the etymology. Have you ever heard of exosomes?

 

If you go on the https://www.worldometers.info/ you will see there is no excess deaths during this so called pandemic. It is well known the MSM was using fear tactics and hyping up that hospitals were full, when that wasn't the case at all. In fact they were laying hospital staff off. I suggest you looking a little deeper into that, if you want to uncover the truth.

 

Would you be open to reading a recent book about all this? If so here is a link to the whole book and see what you think of it and come to your own conclusions.

 

The Contagion Myth - Why Viruses (including Coronavirus) are Not the Cause of Disease

 

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/contagion-myth.pdf

[GeoffB]

6 hours ago, Grumpy Owl said:

 

But do you at least consider the possibility that they may be wrong in some way?

Anything is possible but Terrain Theory over Germ Theory is highly unlikely.

[Grumpy Owl]

4 minutes ago, GeoffB said:

Anything is possible but Terrain Theory over Germ Theory is highly unlikely.

 

On what basis?