David Icke's claim that 'there is no virus'?

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On 6/20/2021 at 11:37 AM, GeoffB said:

As a fully paid up member of the David Icke fan club yes I did.

I agree with 99% of what David has written and is now saying but NOT that the SARS-CoV-2 virus does not exist.

I believe, the existing toxins within Anyone's body can be named and coded into a variety of numbers and words whenever They please to suit their ''moments of designated needs'' / agenda..

So far during our life from our childhood until now.....lets say late 70's till now, we can look back at how all the ''usual'' colds, Flu, etc etc been treated as just cold, flu etc etc.....Can we remember our time in Schools in the 80's 90's? Can we all remember how times changed? How we used to roll on the grass, climb trees, play in the mud? Point being, all the stuff being propaganda and amplified considerably every 5-10 years...making every single generation more and more distracted and brainwashed with all the belief system manufactured and packed into the education system ready to be melted into young minds non stop......

Now in 2021.........fuck sake.........only a hand full of humans can actually still think clearly about what is manufactured ''thought-illnesses / mental pandemics''...versus the reality of what this is really all about.

 

As far as my own experience takes me, i know damn well how aerosol / spray / toxic 'vapour'/ or injected 'stuff' can affect our system directly.

 

The only time i really got seriously ill was in the army....2nd week in we all had to be injected with so claimed 'protection' so basically:  Had 8 injections in a space of 3 days!

Next day after the last injection i started feeling very tired and surprisingly weak considering i was only 19 and full of energy then suddenly fainted around 13:30 just after lunch...been taken to the ''Infirmary room'' and spent next 5 or 6 days i believe, sweating, allucinating, eating next to nothing as my stomach couldn't take anything......still normal stuff ''according to the officials'' in the regiment i was in..... so got better eventually, and when i got out after those days i looked quite thin!! 

And considering im only 1m83cm height, tried weigh myself again and to a shock........basically lost 5kgs in 5/6 days! (Lucky 5)

So first day in the army January 7th 1997 weight 81kg and around 2 weeks later 76kgs. Due to the damn injections.

 

It made me think seriously about the reasons why they forced those injections......and how fit and healthy i was before and then after leaving the army i for sure was not the same anymore at least health wise.....things changed......teeth got weaker, struggling with weight gain....meaning same healthy food habbits but was putting weight on very quickly at an alarming rate, and i was active very active! Also being a drummer too i was gigging a lot etc etc......but long story short:

 

These kind of Injections = bad = Fucking up our natural immune system!!!!

Effects of it: Weight gain for no apparent reason, Teeth got weak...

 

Only 3 or 4 years later i finally felt i was getting into my normal metabolism state...if that makes sense..

 

These claimed viruses.......Transmission from person to person are cartoon-like-thoughts!!

 

Unless someone gets radioactive i guess...then the radio-transmission will be transmitted lol

 

Edited June 28, 2021 by Simple Actions

[John Rice]

I believe when he claims there "is no virus" he isn't referring to the lack of RNA sequences or structures that have been mapped out or composited by scientists to be what we know as 'COVID-19'. He's referring in a sense to the Latin etymology of 'virus' which means a "poison" or "venom" which historically is implicated in causing great harm to a populace or people. This virus, based on the numerous mortality statistics, is just a tiny bit worse than the flu, barely penetrating staggering death rates beyond SARS which was actually a worse situation. To go further, if this virus is barely a poisonous or venomous strain engulfing humanity in crisis as bodies drop dead on the streets, then what is it? I think David Icke was making the broader point that the best way to spread fear, delusional thinking, malice, greed, and selfishness is not through the construction of a virus in a lab or by natural means to infect a population. The best way to do this, is to simply construct a narrative around a virus or phenomena like COVID-19 in order to cause disarray and fear. Think of it like being afraid of a non-poisonous spider because the spider looks similar to a trantula and someone told you the spider may or may not be poisonous. We will immediately avoid the Spider most of the time out of fear it may be poisonous because of how it looks vaguely similar to a Trantula, even though in reality, they are completely different on a survival level. This is the main weakness in humanity that allows for us to be subjugated as beings. We're always comparing things, relying on fear, irrationality, and compulsivity to guide us instead of looking at the broader picture. When people immediately think of virus, they think of Ebola, SARS, or the Bubonic plague even though COVID-19 is just a little bit worse than the common cold or flu. Infact, most Americans and westerners neglect to acknowledge that the common cold is a virus. As humans, our entire civilization is built on the ground works of fear and distrust. Anything that harms the group must be avoided at all costs, even if the harm is minimal or rewarding (in that it can provide you a life lesson. Anything that benefits the group, is good and exceptional (even if there are some malicious qualities present in a good deed, think back to the forbidden fruit with Adam and Eve.

[Daithi]

9 hours ago, John Rice said:

I believe when he claims there "is no virus" he isn't referring to the lack of RNA sequences or structures that have been mapped out or composited by scientists to be what we know as 'COVID-19'. He's referring in a sense to the Latin etymology of 'virus' which means a "poison" or "venom" which historically is implicated in causing great harm to a populace or people. This virus, based on the numerous mortality statistics, is just a tiny bit worse than the flu, barely penetrating staggering death rates beyond SARS which was actually a worse situation. To go further, if this virus is barely a poisonous or venomous strain engulfing humanity in crisis as bodies drop dead on the streets, then what is it? I think David Icke was making the broader point that the best way to spread fear, delusional thinking, malice, greed, and selfishness is not through the construction of a virus in a lab or by natural means to infect a population. The best way to do this, is to simply construct a narrative around a virus or phenomena like COVID-19 in order to cause disarray and fear. Think of it like being afraid of a non-poisonous spider because the spider looks similar to a trantula and someone told you the spider may or may not be poisonous. We will immediately avoid the Spider most of the time out of fear it may be poisonous because of how it looks vaguely similar to a Trantula, even though in reality, they are completely different on a survival level. This is the main weakness in humanity that allows for us to be subjugated as beings. We're always comparing things, relying on fear, irrationality, and compulsivity to guide us instead of looking at the broader picture. When people immediately think of virus, they think of Ebola, SARS, or the Bubonic plague even though COVID-19 is just a little bit worse than the common cold or flu. Infact, most Americans and westerners neglect to acknowledge that the common cold is a virus. As humans, our entire civilization is built on the ground works of fear and distrust. Anything that harms the group must be avoided at all costs, even if the harm is minimal or rewarding (in that it can provide you a life lesson. Anything that benefits the group, is good and exceptional (even if there are some malicious qualities present in a good deed, think back to the forbidden fruit with Adam and Eve.

 

A good post but I'm not sure your opening sentence reflects David's views. David Icke has made it quite clear that he believes the mapped genetic signatures are bullshit generated by computer programs and not science. Coupled with fraudulent testing protocols. So I think he literally means no virus at all and all aspects of it are lies.

[Mitochondrial Eve]

Dr Sam Bailey has uploaded this video demolishing the Gain of Function narrative and emphasising the implausibility of the lab-leak theory in light of the problems within the field of Virology when it comes to the matter of "isolation" of viruses.

 

 

[Daithi]

9 hours ago, Mitochondrial Eve said:

Dr Sam Bailey has uploaded this video demolishing the Gain of Function narrative and emphasising the implausibility of the lab-leak theory in light of the problems within the field of Virology when it comes to the matter of "isolation" of viruses.

 

 

 

Well worth a watch, it's a pretty damning breakdown of the fraud that is modern day Virology full stop. Brilliant share, cheers

[skitzorat]

On 6/25/2021 at 7:11 AM, Mitochondrial Eve said:

 

 

Geoff hasn't been having any more joy convincing people in the OffGuardian comments section about there being a deadly virus on the loose, nor about the lab-leak theory.

 

https://off-guardian.org/2021/06/20/what-i-know-and-dont-know-about-sars-cov-2/

 

 

hahahahahah out of likes... I was just about to reply to his comment on page 8 with this! lol  glad I scrolled on further before wasting my time because you bet me. l

 

I recognised the tone/sentiment/arrogance in the comment from OffG straight away... not to mention it was word for word! an actual copy/paste

 

[skitzorat]

On 6/9/2021 at 12:16 AM, DrCornwallis said:

Just watch that space. This will be yet another area where Mr Icke revises "what he was saying all along", as more concrete evidence and facts emerge.

I've been following DI for years and throughout his own extensive personal research and gatherings and then dissemination to the wider public... I can't recall anything where he's directly "revised" or reverse course.. he's added onto as his world view as it's grown and more information and data has come his way over the years, which is what one would expect over the course of 30 freaking years, but his baseline has remained the same.... what I admire about him is that he doesn't just run publicly with something/everything until he has it set down in his own head first  ..according to him...which is perfectly natural. 

 

Since you seem to be taking a rather sarcastic bent towards parts of DI's work you don't agree with (which is fine but there's no need to be snarky about it).. Do you care to share two specific examples where David Icke has blatantly "revised" ?

 

(and from your tone I'm taking it you mean "changed his mind" by sneakily dismissing what he previously had said about something to suit the new occasion but without seeming like he'd about faced 180 - NOT that new information came his way and thus he revaluated things with that new information/data.. because these are two very different angles.. one honest, one deceptive - which is what you're implying in your tone)

Edited June 30, 2021 by skitzorat

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On 6/21/2021 at 8:15 PM, GeoffB said:

According to figures from the ONS "The Covid pandemic has caused excess deaths to rise to their highest level in the UK since World War Two."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55631693

fake as fuck

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On 6/25/2021 at 12:45 AM, mersault said:

@DrCornwallisGood DR, I do not dispute your symptoms but it seems clear to me that all of your symptoms may indicate a cardiovascular problem. I prescribe fresh air and a 2 week detox from all electromagnetic appliances. Yours sincerely a DR with a conscience. 

 

Would you go to a dentist with bad teeth? 

Would you go to a hairdresser with bad hair?

Then why go to a rich doctor? surely doctors should be judged on their health no?

 

 

Hi,

Talking about teeth.... can anyone here let me know if you had a recent experience at a Dentist? I mean for tooth extraction for example and if so, what did you actually had to go through: Temperature Gun pointing at you by any chance at the reception?

I have an Appointment for an immediate molar extraction *not via NHS* but not bad a price for a private. And was wondering if anyone here got stuck in the reception due to ''you need mask on'' - ''no i don't'' kind of argument?

[Itsa]

5 minutes ago, Simple Actions said:

 

Hi,

Talking about teeth.... can anyone here let me know if you had a recent experience at a Dentist? I mean for tooth extraction for example and if so, what did you actually had to go through: Temperature Gun pointing at you by any chance at the reception?

I have an Appointment for an immediate molar extraction *not via NHS* but not bad a price for a private. And was wondering if anyone here got stuck in the reception due to ''you need mask on'' - ''no i don't'' kind of argument?

I had a tooth infection late last year and had to go and get it pulled.

They wouldn't let me into the waiting room without a mask which I had no choice but to wear as I was in pain (I wore my own pre pandemic builders dust mask)

 

As I went through the door they made me put that disgusting alcohol gel on my hands. Then they took my temp with one of those guns and it was almost over their limit and one of the nurses wanted to turn me away! I was thinking I've got a tooth infection of course my temp is a bit high ffs but I kept quiet as I needed it taken out.

 

Anyhow I took a paracetamol to lower my temperature before I returned for the extraction and passed the temp test lol

Ridiculous.

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4 minutes ago, Itsa said:

I had a tooth infection late last year and had to go and get it pulled.

They wouldn't let me into the waiting room without a mask which I had no choice but to wear as I was in pain (I wore my own pre pandemic builders dust mask)

 

As I went through the door they made me put that disgusting alcohol gel on my hands. Then they took my temp with one of those guns and it was almost over their limit and one of the nurses wanted to turn me away! I was thinking I've got a tooth infection of course my temp is a bit high ffs but I kept quiet as I needed it taken out.

 

Anyhow I took a paracetamol to lower my temperature before I returned for the extraction and passed the temp test lol

Ridiculous.

 

Hi Itsa

 

Thanks for the comment.

 

Yeah...i believe they will try the temperature gun and perhaps ask me for the mask but considering you have been in at the end of last year i may think that by now with all this nonsense being so blatantly obvious i think more and more are waking up, maybe they'll easy off on forcing it. Considering its a private an paid up front..

Lets see how it goes. I will 'report' back once i go through it in 2 weeks time.

 

Thanks for letting me know. Much appreciated

[kilowon]

On 6/8/2021 at 4:16 PM, DrCornwallis said:

 

Yeah, but all Covid is meant to be, is  a particular bad lurgy, that affects some people (terminally ill over 80s) really badly. 

 

....that is all that it is.

 

......yet Davic Icke sez it don't exist?

 

Just watch that space. This will be yet another area where Mr Icke revises "what he was saying all along", as more concrete evidence and facts emerge.

The thing is that there is no scientific evidence of sarscov2 existence. The so called sarscov2 virus has never been isolated/purified and shown to be the cause of a disease called covid19 in human. in fact, no viruses has ever been isolated/purified and shown to be pathogenic or infectious

[Seeker]

14 hours ago, kilowon said:

The thing is that there is no scientific evidence of sarscov2 existence. The so called sarscov2 virus has never been isolated/purified and shown to be the cause of a disease called covid19 in human. in fact, no viruses has ever been isolated/purified and shown to be pathogenic or infectious

I came across this freedom of information request recently, confirming exactly what you say. I might do one of my own with more pressing questions. 

[Truthspoon]

 

I don't know but I don't think it is possible to 'isolate' any virus. 

 

Virus are always studied and stored within the context of infecting kidney cells or such. 

 

So in that definition they are not isolated, they are studied within an existing cell.

 

I think the point is viruses probably die if they have no cells to infect. 

[Moonlight]

36 minutes ago, Truthspoon said:

 

I don't know but I don't think it is possible to 'isolate' any virus. 

 

Virus are always studied and stored within the context of infecting kidney cells or such. 

 

So in that definition they are not isolated, they are studied within an existing cell.

 

I think the point is viruses probably die if they have no cells to infect. 

 

a virus needs a host

viruses and bacterias are among the most dangerous things....they are also often the reason for cancers

 

[Daithi]

1 hour ago, Moonlight said:

 

a virus needs a host

viruses and bacterias are among the most dangerous things....they are also often the reason for cancers

 

 

So if a virus needs a host, how is transmission possible between humans?

 

Or do the viruses already exist in our bodies in a benign state and are "activated" when some external toxin causes stress in our bodies.

 

I'm paraphrasing Antoine Bechamp's Terrain Model which he empirically proved over a hundred years ago.

 

The idea that submicroscopic viruses are transmitted as infectious pathogens was born out of Louis Pasteur's Germ Theory. As the title implies, it's a theoretical idea that has never been experimentally proven based on my research into the subject.

 

Bacterias have been experimentally proven to enter the human body and cause illness, they are microscopic so can be observed readily.

Edited July 19, 2021 by Daithi
Added bacteria paragraph

[Truthspoon]

Well when someone sneezes or whatever, or leaves a glob of snot on a work surface, the virus is still inside cells. It is never flying about all on its own, but always contained within mucus droplets.

 

I mean, I guess that's how it works..... it kind of makes sense from what we know about these things.

 

The difference between bacteria and a virus is orders of magnitude in size.

Bacteria are still cellular microbes.

 

A virus is literally a broken of strand of RNA or DNA encased in a protein shell.

 

It's somewhat larger than the size of a molecule but not by much.

 

 

Edited July 19, 2021 by Truthspoon

[Daithi]

3 hours ago, Truthspoon said:

Well when someone sneezes or whatever, or leaves a glob of snot on a work surface, the virus is still inside cells. It is never flying about all on its own, but always contained within mucus droplets.

 

That's Pasteur's germ theory yes. But I can find no evidence that experimentally proves this as a reasonable assumption of the cause of any disease within a human body.

 

There is no science that experimentally proves the route from ingestion or inhalation of RNA fragments to being the cause of a disease. So the theory seems to stutter very quickly and falls apart.

 

I did stumble across alternative ideas that are supported by scientific evidence. Ideas like these nucleic acids are present in our bodies from birth. When we are subject to/or subject ourselves to stresses then we create internal conditions in the body that cause these fragments to multiply and attack healthy cells.

 

Bechamp calls them ferments.

 

I was a passionate subscriber to viruses and germ theory until spring 2020. Having been inspired by the plandemic to lift the lid on the topic and deep dive, it has unravelled very quickly and all is not what I believed.

 

I remain open to new finds in this area. Of course I could be missing a jigsaw piece that validates germ theory but I haven't seen it yet.

 

 

Edited July 19, 2021 by Daithi

[Truthspoon]

4 minutes ago, Daithi said:

 

Well not really. It hardly falls apart. The reality is if you spend time with someone who has a cold you soon catch the cold yourself. 

 

It's something everyone has experienced. As a school teacher you find one kid has a cold, then a day or too later you and the other kids catch it.

Any other explanation requires some serious mental gymnastics to make it stick.

 

 

Edited July 19, 2021 by Truthspoon

[Daithi]

1 minute ago, Truthspoon said:

It's something everyone has experienced. As a school teacher you find one kid has a cold, then a day or too later you and the other kids catch it.

 

And that can only be caused by an RNA virus? It can't equally be explained by a mutual exposure to stresses that activate ferments.

 

Hint: one is experimentally proven, one is not.

[Daithi]

And we need to be clear that there are human diseases caused by bacteria. These are also experimentally proven and validated. They are also very simple to diagnose with no computer modelling trickery needed.

 

Unlike the mythical beast that is RNA viruses which seem to require computer modelling to map a genome sequence from tiny amounts of genetic material.

 

Bacterial infections are not diagnosed using a RT-PCR "gold standard test" either. These tests as described by the inventor as completely unable to detect live infections and at the  numbers of cycles used for testing for viruses is even acknowledged by Anthony Fauci to detect no more than genetic debris.

 

The RNA viruses that are so well understood scientifically that the wonder vaccines developed for convid do not stop people from contracting the disease, do not stop people from dying from the disease and often cause people toget horrible symptoms and clearly kill a number of previously healthy people.

[BlueSky]

Have we had Tom Barnett "Can You Catch a Virus" video yet:

 

Can You Catch A Virus? Original Video – TomBarnett.tv

 

 

[Daithi]

23 minutes ago, BlueSky said:

Have we had Tom Barnett "Can You Catch a Virus" video yet:

 

Can You Catch A Virus? Original Video – TomBarnett.tv

 

 

 

I'd not seen that, I'll just leave it to Tom from here. If you watch that vid and still subscribe to RNA virus theory then you ain't ever going to stop I fear :(

Edited July 19, 2021 by Daithi

[BlueSky]

I've just been Watching Mark Sexton speaking at the protest in London. I've shared a video of him before. 

Among other things, he mentioned the use of vit c etc to lessen symptoms of covid. Still the underlying existence of it being mentioned.