David Icke's claim that 'there is no virus'?

[Daithi]

There is ample evidence that over and over "disease" disease sickens the global population. Often this includes symptoms that were not seen by medical staff before that point. According to my research 2020 was hit by one of these cycles but was not particularly extraordinary by any true measure that did not use statistical manipulation to trump up "facts".

 

There is no *evidence* that external RNA fragments infect a human body and cause disease. They are tiny entities granted so proving this point is not easy. I accept that.

 

But there is an abundance of evidence that the diseases reported as covid-19 by the evil system are not in anyway infectious pathogens.

 

So David Icke calls it correctly IMHO. There is no covid-19 virus.

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7 minutes ago, GeoffB said:

SARS-CoV-2 exists.

ln your mind and in the propaganda of the Sabbatean Frankist Cult.
lT HAS NOT BEEN ISOLATED.
So prove it is real.

[screamingeagle]

a new virus with flu like symptoms right at the beginning (more or less) of the flu season and it's from china 

 

LMAO!!!

[Daithi]

Here's my effort from a while back to graph all causes mortality using raw ONS datasets from 1974 to 2020 but expressing the deaths as a percentage of population. For me, the death "spike" in 2020 is completely explained by the covid-19 care pathway including Midazolam. The disease outbreak is shrouded in bullshit but in amongst it is failure of immune systems to cope with the 5G rollout amping up the radiation of 21st century toxins and lifestyle stresses we are drowning in day after shitty day.

 

Edited June 24, 2021 by Daithi
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47 minutes ago, GeoffB said:

 

 

And let's not forget how a graph can be made to appear more or less dramatic by changing / sliding the X and Y values.

 

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21 minutes ago, Daithi said:

For me, the death "spike" in 2020 is completely explained by the covid-19 care pathway including Midazolam.

^^^ This ^^^

 

[Mr H]

23 minutes ago, Daithi said:

Here's my effort from a while back to graph all causes mortality using raw ONS datasets from 1974 to 2020 but expressing the deaths as a percentage of population. For me, the death "spike" in 2020 is completely explained by the covid-19 care pathway including Midazolam. The disease outbreak is shrouded in bullshit but in amongst it is failure of immune systems to cope with the 5G rollout amping up the radiation of 21st century toxins and lifestyle stresses we are drowning in day after shitty day.

 

Love that analysis thank you for sharing.

 

I did also hear (but didn't check for myself) that 2019 had a relatively low flu death rate and 2020 there was an expected "catch up" of mortalities expected.

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Just now, Mr H said:

I did also hear (but didn't check for myself) that 2019 had a relatively low flu death rate and 2020 there was an expected "catch up" of mortalities expected.

 

That is correct.
 

[Mr H]

I also would add, and I think this is often poo pooed, but in my experience can be very significant  - is the increase in stress levels this past year from government actions & the very real impact of loneliness - leading to all sorts of diseases - increasing the total death no - with some of these no doubt being collated in the Convid death data sets.

[sarbloh]

 

Worth watching...you'll learn how stress kills you. Interesting thing is that they pump you with stress hormones (cortisol etc) before transplant surgery as they know it supresses the immune system...and look at what they did on a worldwide scale...weakened peoples immune systems through fear/stress and people got ill (regardless of the label and blamed it on rona)

[GeoffB]

2 hours ago, Basket Case said:

No.
Complete and utter bollox.
All decided by the bullshit PCR test which is totally being misused..?
You think the PCR can identify the Covid19 that you think is real, when you admit that the virus (in your case - covid19) hasn't been isolated properly . (lt's just a computer model)

And masks cannot and do not stop microscopic pieces of 'bio-mass' - flu or the so called 'new virus' from escaping....they just spead other respiratory diseases, like pneumonia.

I agree the PCR test is useless and masks don't work.

That has nothing to do with whether the virus exists or not.

[GeoffB]

1 hour ago, Mr H said:

I did also hear (but didn't check for myself) that 2019 had a relatively low flu death rate and 2020 there was an expected "catch up" of mortalities expected.

If you believe that the flu virus exists then you believe that viruses are real.

Many on here don't believe ANY virus exists.

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3 minutes ago, GeoffB said:

That has nothing to do with whether the virus exists or not.

Can you be clear by what you mean by this.

A virus ?
THE virus ? 
New virus ?
Existing virus re-labeled ? 

 

Thanks..

[GeoffB]

2 hours ago, Daithi said:

For me, the death "spike" in 2020 is completely explained by the covid-19 care pathway including Midazolam. The disease outbreak is shrouded in bullshit but in amongst it is failure of immune systems to cope with the 5G rollout amping up the radiation of 21st century toxins and lifestyle stresses we are drowning in day after shitty day.

A simpler explanation is a virus as David Icke predicted in 2009 before he was seduced by Kaufman with his fringe theory that there is no such thing as a virus of any type including measles, flu and the common cold.

[GeoffB]

5 minutes ago, Basket Case said:

Can you be clear by what you mean by this.

A virus ?
THE virus ? 
New virus ?
Existing virus re-labeled ? 

 

Thanks..

SARS-CoV-2

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2 minutes ago, GeoffB said:

SARS-CoV-2

You believe this is new and not re-labeled ?
And you believe this is worse than normal yearly Flu ?
 

[Daithi]

Just now, GeoffB said:

A simpler explanation is a virus as David Icke predicted in 2009 before he was seduced by Kaufman with his fringe theory that there is no such thing as a virus of any type including measles, flu and the common cold.

 

I'm not familiar with the 2009 prediction from David. Well, as David Icke has said, we should do our own research and make up our own minds.

 

Kaufman is only highlighting the hidden treasure chest of the work of Antoine Bechamp. Bechamp vs Pasteur - you decide.

 

The reason why I rail against virus believing folk on forums is to make sure any undecided folks following the thread can clearly see depth and integrity of evidence for alternatives to Pasteur, Carnegie, Rockefeller and so on up to Billy G.

[Mr H]

29 minutes ago, GeoffB said:

If you believe that the flu virus exists then you believe that viruses are real.

Many on here don't believe ANY virus exists.

Yeah I have read some literature on that topic, not enough to say definitively which one is true. 

 

At the moment I would say yes, I do believe viruses are real, but am open to them not being real also. Up until now it hasn't been a topic that I have had to bother with to be honest.

 

Difficult to come to a conclusion because both sides are extremely biased and there is no forum where they both debate together to help understand the topic better. For example, I'm sure a fully trained virolgist would be better able to pose challenging questions to those that say viruses are not real than I could and vis a versa.

 

But yeah nothing surprises me anymore..

[zarkov]

These particles exist.

 

The claim is not whether these particles exist or not but whether they are pathogenic.

 

There is no evidence to prove that these particles are pathogenic.

                                                                                                                   

 

re: terrain theory vs germ theory.

 

You answer your own questions on this thread and have not even noticed.

One of the earlier posts mentions that some are affected by "virus" and healthier people simply brush off the virus with no ill effect.

 

Is that not proof in itself of terrain theory! 

 

Terrain theory states that bacteria (& fungi, moulds, exosomes etc) are the result of disease not the cause. (symptoms)

 

Terrain theory does not exclude the existence or action of extraneous microbes it simply states that in a healthy terrain these so called pathogens will have limited effect.

 

Germ theory however pushes the narrative that microbes are the cause of disease, that the symptoms are the disease.

Allopath's treat only the symptoms of disease and not the cause. (germ theory excludes terrain theory)

 

Had terrain theory taken hold it would have changed the social landscape forever.

Observance of the live system in which we exist would have taken on deeper and more meaningful considerations such as the quality and health of the soil and hence our food supply, the quality of the environment, pollution, toxins including EMR.

 

The "Snake oil" personality has existed for as long as mankind has existed.

The same methodology of selective bias is applied ubiquitously throughout human mechanisms.

The worst culprit being the myth of authority.

 

Edited June 24, 2021 by zarkov
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[Beaujangles]

4 hours ago, GeoffB said:

Yes the virus is real but not particularly deadly and yes there is a hidden agenda which is detailed by David Icke who is right on most things but not right when he states there is no virus.

 

 

And still you keep going without anything to back your claim. At least with the ones saying no virus they show why they believe it... You just state it as fact - yet it is clear it has not been isolated - there are no more deaths and the symptoms are no different to the flu at best...which has miraculously disappeared... why keep going? Come back when you can prove your point! ( I wont hold my breath)

[Beaujangles]

3 hours ago, screamingeagle said:

a new virus with flu like symptoms right at the beginning (more or less) of the flu season and it's from china

 

LMAO!!!

 

 

...and now a variant that mimics hay fever in hay fever season... hahaha

[novymir]

1 hour ago, GeoffB said:

A simpler explanation is a virus as David Icke predicted in 2009 before he was seduced by Kaufman with his fringe theory that there is no such thing as a virus of any type including measles, flu and the common cold.

Your language gives you away, agent. Repeatedly.

You're here to sway lurkers towards the "virus from China" script. Probably a Trump believer.

[GeoffB]

2 hours ago, Basket Case said:

You believe this is new and not re-labeled ?
And you believe this is worse than normal yearly Flu ?
 

It's new and has a similar mortality rate to a very bad flu season.

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2 minutes ago, GeoffB said:

It's new and has a similar mortality rate to a very bad flu season.

Where do you think this 'new' virus came from ?

[GeoffB]

2 hours ago, Beaujangles said:

 

 

And still you keep going without anything to back your claim. At least with the ones saying no virus they show why they believe it... You just state it as fact - yet it is clear it has not been isolated - there are no more deaths and the symptoms are no different to the flu at best...which has miraculously disappeared... why keep going? Come back when you can prove your point! ( I wont hold my breath)

Millions of virologists, scientist, epidemiologists and doctors around the world believe viruses exist.

A handful of individuals with books to sell say viruses do not exist and you choose the latter.

No viruses have been truly isolated but it doesn't mean the common cold virus doesn't exist.

The statistics clearly show there has been more deaths than usual.

Doctors have said they haven't seen these symptoms before.

Flu has been subsumed by the more virulent SARS-CoV-2 virus as I have already explained twice before with a link to the article.