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I have not put this into Recommended Reading as I do not recommend it .... but I also do not condemn it!

It is more a personal question which I hope members well versed in Christian religion can help with? <<<< if you have read this book!

 

Normally when I read a PDF it sits on my desktop until read and then is moved to whatever directory it should be in .... but with this it has sat on my desktop for a few months after being read (and it is a short, easy read)!

 

The book is, as per the title of this thread, 

 

THE FORBIDDEN RELIGION

Jose M. Herrou Aragon 2007

 

I mainly like to read older books, so this being quite new, I find it strange that it sits still on my desktop??

 

It states some things which I have not read before and just wish for other views from those that have a deeper knowledge in this field and who have read the short book?

 

I will quote two parts but there are many more of conflict with current beliefs, for/of some.

Some of the thrust of the book would be:

 

  • That the Spirit (created by the True Creator) is trapped in this realm by the Soul (which is created by the Demiurge, who created the physical realms).
  • That Christ was first within this realm as the Serpent (in the garden of Eden) and is actually called, first as Serpent Lucifer and that Jesus was the second coming and should be known as Christ Lucifer.
  • That Spirit detests the physical realm and wishes to destroy it .... and will if it can free itself.
  • That Cain was 'Good', made via the joining of Serpent Lucifer (so Christ) and Eve and that Abel was 'Bad' made from Adam and Eve. 

 

2 quotes:

 

Gnostics of later times, at the beginning of Christianity,who came to be known as Christian Gnostics or Gnostic Christians, regarded Christ as the Serpent of Genesis. This was because Christ, much later than the events in the earthly paradise, came carrying a liberating message, just like the Serpent. A message which frees man from this impure world. These Christian Gnostics believe that it was this knowledge which allowed man to make contact with the other world, the one opposed to the demiurge: the unknowable world of the True God.
Christ, the bearer of this message, this Gnosis, has been likened to the Serpent of Genesis, who returns to Earth for a second time to help humanity.

The first coming was Serpent Lucifer and the second was Christ Lucifer.

According to christian Gnosis, when Christ came to the world, it was his second time, since the first time was in the earthly paradise.

In both cases it was, actually, Lucifer, the Messenger of the Unknowable.

In both cases, the message was the same: Gnosis that disturbs, causes changes, wakes up and liberates those who listen to it.

For Christian Gnostics, the Serpent is Christ, the Saviour who came to this world twice.
There is a Gnostic diagram of a crucified serpent, hammered onto a cross, which further shows the Gnostic identity between the Serpent of Genesis and Christ.

There are myths which state that the cross on which Christ was crucified was made of wood from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

 

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Later on we see that Cain murdered his brother Abel.
This is something very profound as it signifies that the Spirit rejects, destroys and murders the soul.

Abel, presented as pure love and devotion in the bible, represents the soul of man according to Gnostics.

Cain, on the contrary, represents the Spirit, which explains his hostility and hatred.

Hostility and hatred typical of the Spirit, since the Spirit really hates this impure world, full of unfair and absurd rules. This explains Cain’s resistance to making sacrifices and his disobedience as regards the creator’s commandments.

Cain and Abel are as opposed and irreconcilable as are the Spirit and the soul.
The soul is pure love, not True Love but that which we know as love, that which we believe is love, that which we have been told is love, which in actual fact is hatred.

The Spirit is the opposite; It is perceived as pure hatred, hostility and revenge. Due to being shackled in this satanic creation the only thing the Spirit can feel is hostility and hatred, that which ordinary men know as hatred.

The Spirit,which is Pure Love, can only feel aversion and disgust before this thing that is, in fact, pure garbage.

That is why the Spirit wants to destroy this satanic creation, because for It, creation is a deformed monstrosity which should never have come into existence.

This is what Cain’s murder of Abel symbolises.

 

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So I have put the book for download here:

 

https://smallpdf.com/shared#st=07047086-2ef3-4aa2-8cc6-51f19bddda05&fn=the-forbidden-religion.pdf&ct=1622649990268&tl=share-document&rf=link

 

and would welcome any views from any who have read the short book and have a knowledge of current considerations which the book discusses.

 

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My first thought was this is not so different to Sabbatian Frankest in there inversion of the bible. The idea that creation is an inferior god is not in itself wrong but that creation is Satan is i believe incorrect even though i have had similar thoughts myself. For me there is not enough here to turn my back on creation

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I'll just say that what is (commonly)referred to as the "soul", what it is,  and the importance of "it" is suspicious to me.

Soul. Cell.

Individual cell.

Prison cell.

 

I came across a guy 13 years ago called "adampants"/"jonathan" on y.t., that was chronicling his spiritual exploration with a large number of monologues describing his awareness/reconnection with the Spirit  of The True Creator, he claimed to have accessed "elders" from beyond this realm that were teaching/showing him the nature of this illusion.

At one point he described how "they give you an energy body, put you in a soul", this was in reference to the "karma" and "reincarnation" idea that has been popular in this world...he basically said we're being duped...recycled...to keep this counterfeit "world" going...using fear, guilt against us. False god played(hallucinated) by the ego(illusion/fake self)...

Cancerous consciousness. Metaphorically speaking. Metaphor or analogy is the only way to communicate about non-physical illusions, and reality.

Jonathan ended up taking his stuff down around 2009, and disappeared. He posted that he was taking it down because he wanted to do it over, make it more universal,,,he said there was too much blame and negative information in it as it was, he said "it was not of me"...I understood that to mean he was ego-projecting and "toggling" back and forth between The Spirit and the ego, apparently at the end of his progression he realized the ego had been using him and piggybacking along, manipulating and distorting his perceptions to too high of a degree to leave it up. Meaning it could cause unnecessary problems/setbacks for some people.

I didn't buy into everything(I never do), but much of it resonated strongly with me.

 

I think alot of assumptions are made concerning "the soul", ,,accepted ideas without real reason for assumimg or accepting the validity or legitimacy of those claims and ideas. To me "the soul" is meaningless. To speak of it as if I know it, or remember it would be dishonest.

To me only The Truth is meaningful, and all that which is of, by, for and with The Truth. Anything else is nothing and nowhere.

 

ps; you pdf link is expired or something

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It seems a view some Gnostics have taken. Here is a lot of information on the Gnostics:

 

What the Greeks and Gnostics called the “Demiurge” is a universal intelligence that fashions our world.

It is said that the Demiurge converts abstract metaphysical archetypes (higher thoughts/ideas) into physically manifest forms, akin to your browser turning source code into a displayed web page. Just as a browser obediently displays what it’s given, the Demiurge projects, shapes, and perpetuates physicality in accordance with the archetypal thoughts fed into it by the Creator.

 

Archetypes are the building blocks of meaning, the fundamental alphabet of existence, the abstract thoughts of the divine, of which all things are but particular expressions.

Why is the concept of Demiurge even necessary? Well, we know from the “reality creation” phenomenon that our own minds can shape reality by directly altering the probability of events.

 

Due to the dependence of reality on mind, it would seem that reality is being projected by our minds. And yet, reality continues to exist even in our absence. When we stop paying attention to something physical, it does not wink out of existence. Obviously there must be something other than our own consciousness at work, something that is always there, that functions as the default generator and perpetuator of physicality. This would be the Demiurge.

Why not attribute this function to the Infinite Creator and dispense with the extra concept of Demiurge? Because as you will see, the characteristics of the Demiurge indicate more of a blind artificial intelligence than an infinite sentient being.

 

Therefore its function is uncharacteristic of the Creator and unique unto itself.

 

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/mistic/gnosis_montalk00.htm

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Hi Friends,

 

I just finished reading this book. It is really interesting and thought provoking. Most of ideas presented are not new to me, but some of them are.

 

It makes a lot of sense, considering that it is rather obvious that some sort of evil is definitely in charge of this world. Now, is it demiurgic evil, demonic evil, alien evil, or just plain old human evil, I don't know, but some kind of evil is definitely in charge here. I of course don't know, unfortunately, what is the situation like across the universe, are other planets and beings living under the influence of evil as we are, so I can't really say that all created/material existence is inherently bad.

 

It also makes a lot of sense that perfect, all good, all powerful creator wouldn't create an existence in such a way that ones life basically depends on destruction of other forms of life. Even in universe, creation is dependent on destruction. I understand that from some higher perspective it might not seem so bad, I understand that there needs to be balance in everything, and I understand that Earths eco-system is perfectly designed, and that all that violence and death serves it's purpose.

But when you look at the lion suffocating a herbivore, or looking at hyenas eating an animal while it is still alive, it makes you wonder, doesn't it?

 

I can also completely agree with it in the sense that most of religions on this planet are not from True Creator. Abrahamic religions, at lease in my opinion, are definitely created by something/someone evil, with obvious misinformation and obvious bad intentions. 

 

On the other hand, it seems impossible to me, from my current point of view, not to love this gorgeous planet, our animals, plant and insect companions. They all can be rather savage and deadly to one another, and to us, but still, how can one hate a puppy or a kitten, a sunrise, a flower etc.

 

Even if what this books says it's true, and everything is created by an evil creator, it is not the fault of those little creatures and I'm not so sure about all that "hate everything that is created" way of thinking.

 

Any thoughts would be really appreciated. 

 

Thanks, kind regards..

 

 

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Interesting read. Some resonates, some strongly & some I perceive as subjective which is impossible to escape, being man.

Windows on the world has also covered a little of the Nag Hammadi scriptures which I have fleetingly listened into and will be reading when time permits.

It seems many are trying to piece together a puzzle that is hidden and disparate paths converge. Interesting times.

 

 

 

 

 

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On 6/2/2021 at 5:08 PM, ink said:

and would welcome any views from any who have read the short book and have a knowledge of current considerations which the book discusses.

 

:)

 

Sorry Ink I wasn't going to comment because you asked only for comments from people who've read the book - I haven't but I'm going to comment anyway so people know where I stand.

 

From your quotes this book looks like Luciferian indoctrination propaganda. Its the reversal of truth and reality to detract from God.

 

Lucifer - does not exist, he's a typo, in the original texts it says - 'Oh how art thou fallen day star' Day star was reference to the planet Venus. later on either or both the Greeks and Hebrews changed the text to say 'Oh how art thou fallen light bearer' When the Romans came along they translated the text into Latin to the Vulgate Bible and 'Light bearer' got translated to 'Lucifer' so now the text read - oh how art thou fallen Lucifer' So Lucifer was born and the Church invented a whole back story about him being a Fallen Angel 'How art thou fallen' etc He's a complete fiction so when someone comes along offering spiritual knowledge on a work of fiction I say don't pay any attention to it.

 

But what it does is confuse people, validate the Roman Church work of fiction and lead people off into all sorts of errors.

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On 8/3/2021 at 5:09 PM, pi3141 said:

 

Sorry Ink I wasn't going to comment because you asked only for comments from people who've read the book - I haven't but I'm going to comment anyway so people know where I stand.

 

From your quotes this book looks like Luciferian indoctrination propaganda. Its the reversal of truth and reality to detract from God.

 

Lucifer - does not exist, he's a typo, in the original texts it says - 'Oh how art thou fallen day star' Day star was reference to the planet Venus. later on either or both the Greeks and Hebrews changed the text to say 'Oh how art thou fallen light bearer' When the Romans came along they translated the text into Latin to the Vulgate Bible and 'Light bearer' got translated to 'Lucifer' so now the text read - oh how art thou fallen Lucifer' So Lucifer was born and the Church invented a whole back story about him being a Fallen Angel 'How art thou fallen' etc He's a complete fiction so when someone comes along offering spiritual knowledge on a work of fiction I say don't pay any attention to it.

 

But what it does is confuse people, validate the Roman Church work of fiction and lead people off into all sorts of errors.

 

Like pi, I haven't yet had time to read 'The Forbidden Religion' so I cannot yet pass comment directly on its content. But, in reply to pi, it is interesting to learn that the reference to Lucifer - "light bringer or "morning star" - in the bible was apparently the result of a mistranslation. However, even if this is the case, does this necessarily mean that Lucifer, as a spiritual concept, becomes null and void and has no place in esoteric understanding of our reality?

 

I would be more inclined to agree if there weren't other parallels to this concept in other traditions including fallen star symbolism or the light that snakes its way down the Tree of Life. Enki / Ea of the Sumerian / Babylonian / Akkadian traditions could be seen as commensurate with Lucifer having, according to legend, brought the spark of life to humanity. And ancient Greek myth tells the story of the Titan Prometheus who disobeyed the Gods, stole the light from Hephaestus' forge of creation and gave humanity the ability to be god-like. The Egyptian God Horus was a star God referred to as the "God of the morning" and is famously associated with the all-seeing eye. These are just a few examples I am aware of but doubtless there will be many more.

 

Enki / Ea has also been compared to the serpent in the Garden of Eden which some believe is akin to the electromagnetic kundalini force. It seems clear to me that the Garden of Eden story represents the fall of mankind into unconsciousness following the expulsion from paradise and a separation from spirit. But what caused this fall and who or what is responsible? Was it that, by consuming the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil and by considering partaking of fruit from the Tree of Life, Adam and Eve were making Gods of themselves and stepping outside of their bounds? Or is Gnostic understanding correct to see the Demiurge "creator" as jealous, demonic and responsible for the suffering of humanity by seeking to keep us in an illusory, unenlightened state?

 

I have always found myself conflicted by the matter of Lucifer, but I think it is a concept of spiritual value. Mainstream thought holds that Lucifer is akin to Satan / the Devil whereas some sources, such as the synopsis given of 'The Forbidden Religion', teach that Lucifer represents the light of knowledge, awakened consciousness and the liberation of mankind. Mark Passio's seminars helped me in some way towards reconciling the conflict. He says the occult is merely hidden knowledge and that knowledge is neither good nor bad. How that understanding is utilised depends on the consciousness of its wielder, and this extends to Luciferianism too.

 

I see both Lucifer and Satan as representative of dual internal states of consciousness rather than as the deities presented from an exoteric standpoint. Satan seems representative of man in a fallen state as depicted via the inverted pentagram adopted by Satanists. The upright pentagram is said to represent man in an enlightened, higher state - the all divine spirit hosted within man - but, when inverted, it takes the reverse meaning of man in a state of matter over spirit expending energy into trying to satisfy, yet never quite fulfilling, materialisitic ego-based desires. Whilst a Satanic mindset is directed towards unconsciousness and maintaining separation of the connection with the divine, Luciferianism is focused on understanding and enlightenment but with the potential to be used for ill, if given into the wrong hands, in order to create a power differential. Perhaps this is why much of the knowledge stemming from the mysteries has been occulted.

 

Perhaps the two concepts of Lucifer and Satan have been confounded - out of misunderstanding (or deliberate obfuscation) of the dual nature and potential of the ego. Whilst ego-based fear driven desires and feeling of lack could be said to be responsible for all suffering, if it can be transcended, perhaps the ego has the potential to be turned into light or what some, including Mark Passio, describe as Christ consciousness operating from a place of true care and freedom.

 

Was partaking of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil beneficial or not? Do human beings have the potential to overcome base material drives and handle enlightenment in a wise and responsible way? Or is such knowledge dangerous if given to individuals who aren't at the requisite level of consciousness needed to utilise such insight wisely?

 

Is selfishness and a lack of care fixedly inherent in mankind? This could be a harsh reality to face as it would make us the source of all our woes with the blame laid squarely at each of our feet. Or does humanity stay in an unconscious state because of dark forces at work?

 

Seeing how hard the dark occultists apparently work to keep humanity hypnotised in a fear-based slave system, a potential explanation emerges as to why mankind fails to achieve its long awaited awakening. What would happen if the dark forces, and with them any power differential, was removed?

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13 minutes ago, Mitochondrial Eve said:

Luciferianism is focused on understanding and enlightenment but with the potential to be used for ill, if given into the wrong hands, in order to create a power differential. Perhaps this is why much of the knowledge stemming from the mysteries has been occulted.

 

That's also my understanding, but I need to research the subject in depth.

 

So great to see you back posting Eve.🙂

 

The music industry and Hollywood using Lucifer for ill.

 

Before Covid, look at all those needles. "My Lucifer is lonely"

 

 

 

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16 hours ago, Mitochondrial Eve said:

Like pi, I haven't yet had time to read 'The Forbidden Religion' so I cannot yet pass comment directly on its content. But, in reply to pi, it is interesting to learn that the reference to Lucifer - "light bringer or "morning star" - in the bible was apparently the result of a mistranslation. However, even if this is the case, does this necessarily mean that Lucifer, as a spiritual concept, becomes null and void and has no place in esoteric understanding of our reality?

 

Lucifer has become something of an Egregore. A system of magic has built up around the concept. Magic is the focus of intent to effect change. We can do it without magical systems but systems or rituals allow us to focus our energy and intent more easily. So systems of magic can be helpful and can get results which then validates the belief system.

 

Lucifer was an invention of the Roman church and of course the Satanists or 'Opposers' or Adversaries to the Christian church have seized upon it and inverted it and developed a system of magic based on the concept. The system allows groups of people to focus their collective energies to produce effects.

 

Luciferian is quite properly described as Satanic because it is in opposition to the Church. Anything opposing the Roman church is by its own definition Satanic - Opposing. Hence Luciferianism is described as Satanic if you subscribe to the Roman church point of view or system regarding God and Hell etc.

 

Jesus called Peter a Satan 'Get behind me Satan you are a stumbling block to me" does this mean Peter was Satan? No, its just Jesus using the term in its proper sense, Peter was in opposition to Jesus and thus became his Satan for that moment. Satan is just an opposer but a whole system has built up around the concept.

 

The whole Satan and Lucifer concepts have been seized upon by 'Opposers' people trying to subvert the Church, the church is itself a system of magic with its own rituals - singing, praying, lighting of candles, invocations for Saints to intercede, regular meetings, marking sacred days etc. Its all in there, 'Satanism' then, takes this system of magic and inverts it to focus their will on the opposite effect. Hence they use the Roman Churches terms and concepts to describe their own. Again I feel most of the Satanists are deceived by Dark magicians spinning this stuff, but mostly they believe it to be true and for whatever personal reasons they hold or just to attain power they buy into the systems and belief and use it to focus their will and produce magical effects they desire.

 

Its the same for some Christians who don't go along with ALL the doctrines of the church but they still attend services because its the closest to what they believe, they still feel the good effects but they don't completely go along with all the beliefs but the system still works for them and gives them whatever it is they need. Thats magic, on a small level.

 

So no unfortunately the concepts are not void and have become something dangerous but its fake, based on mistranslations and the people under the spell of Satan and Lucifer are just like the deceived under the Roman Church, they are all initiates in systems of magic which are built on Pagan superstitions and misunderstandings of the nature of things.

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5 hours ago, pi3141 said:

 

 

Lucifer was an invention of the Roman church and of course the Satanists or 'Opposers' or Adversaries to the Christian church have seized upon it and inverted it and developed a system of magic based on the concept. The system allows groups of people to focus their collective energies to produce effects.

 

Not quite that simple. 


Lucifer is the bright morning star... Venus... or Astarte.... in whose name human ritual sacrifice was carried out in ancient times.

 

The ancient cults of human sacrifice had to go deep underground when the Christians took power......

 

And they have bided their time all this while....

 

But since the 17th century of so they have slowly been returning..... under the mantle of Freemasonry.....

 

I think many people will soon fully realise that a Christian world is infinitely better than what we have now and what is coming soon....

 

You think things are crazy now....... they've only just begun.... they've finally got rid of Christianity in the West..... 

 

The Satanic carnival has just fully re-opened for business.... 

 

 

 

 

 

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14 minutes ago, Truthspoon said:

Not quite that simple. 


Lucifer is the bright morning star... Venus... or Astarte.... in whose name human ritual sacrifice was carried out in ancient times.

 

The ancient cults of human sacrifice had to go deep underground when the Christians took power......

 

And they have bided their time all this while....

 

But since the 17th century of so they have slowly been returning..... under the mantle of Freemasonry.....

 

I think many people will soon fully realise that a Christian world is infinitely better than what we have now and what is coming soon....

 

You think things are crazy now....... they've only just begun.... they've finally got rid of Christianity in the West..... 

 

The Satanic carnival has just fully re-opened for business.... 

 

Yes I know what you mean about Christianity, its perhaps inevitable that some of the earlier religions found their way into Christianity. In Constantine's favour he tried to introduce a civilised religion to unify the kingdom and so he took traditions and wisdom from the East and the West and gave us Christianity. He didn't bury all the light, there is truth in there and perhaps he, partly I'll concede, did it for the right reasons.

 

Its just the church has failed to evolve and whats worse its tried to hold us back from evolving into a higher understanding. If the Vatican opened its vaults to the scholars I'm sure a new understanding of Christianity would emerge, one no less significant or beautiful that the original.

 

I don't forget that the man we know as Jesus came and established a new agreement and system to live by that was a lot less bloodthirsty than the original religions we had, the ancient mystery religions of which Christianity and Freemasonry and Satanism etc is a part, but its an outdated system now. We need a new understanding, the old ways have not served us well, the wars, inquisitions, witch hunts, corruption, the holding back of science, have I'm afraid, shown us that the old ways are no longer fit for purpose. We need to throw out the old superstition and embrace the simple truth that does exist within religious teachings.

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On 6/20/2021 at 10:38 PM, novymir said:

the nature of this illusion.

 

Indeed. We all live by collective and individual hunches.

 

Gnostic Christianity works at removing the more adult out of Socrates' cave.

 

It is a tough job if our interlocutor believes in some kind of supernatural realm or God.

 

Such minds are lost to reason, morality and common sense.

 

Regards

DL

 

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On 6/21/2021 at 1:54 AM, Thoth001 said:

Therefore its function is uncharacteristic of the Creator and unique unto itself.

 

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/mistic/gnosis_montalk00.htm

 

A Gnostic Christian will tell you that there is no such thing as a creator, other than nature.

 

Man has created all our creators.

 

Your linked offering seems to promote supernatural belief.

 

No Gnostic Christian would let such foul thinking enter his mind/ego and soul/spirit.

 

If matrix type thinking were real and true, any proof of concept for it would also be the proof for a fractal universe and many Gods.

 

We are made up of natural subatomic particles. Not 1s and 0s.

 

Regards

DL

 

 

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On 7/19/2021 at 7:19 AM, XelNaga said:

It makes a lot of sense, considering that it is rather obvious that some sort of evil is definitely in charge of this world.

 

A Gnostic Christian looks about and sees the best of all possible worlds, given our history, and thus the only heaven we can even know.

 

The Gnostic Christian Jesus and I see God in us, and outside of us.

 

Where does God live?

 

Heaven.

 

Where is heaven and the best of all possible worlds?

 

Right here to a Gnostic Christian or any enlightened mind.

 

As to evil ruling here on earth. 

 

Remember that evil is depicted, truthfully as female.

 

Evil/women, in genetic terms, are necessary to our ongoing evolution.

 

To rid ourselves of that small evil, when compared to the good of our evolution, would be a huge loss for humanity.

 

There is a lot more good than evil in the world. 

 

Enjoy.

 

Regards

DL 

 

 

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On 7/29/2021 at 9:16 PM, zarkov said:

Interesting read. Some resonates, some strongly & some I perceive as subjective which is impossible to escape, being man.

Windows on the world has also covered a little of the Nag Hammadi scriptures which I have fleetingly listened into and will be reading when time permits.

It seems many are trying to piece together a puzzle that is hidden and disparate paths converge. Interesting times.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Gnostic Christianity is also a moral designation.

 

Do you agree with the Gnostic Christian view of the genocidal, homophobic and misogynous Yahweh/Jesus being a vile God with a poor theology?

 

Regards

DL

 

 

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On 4/26/2022 at 8:23 PM, Gnostic Christian said:

 

Gnostic Christianity is also a moral designation.

 

Do you agree with the Gnostic Christian view of the genocidal, homophobic and misogynous Yahweh/Jesus being a vile God with a poor theology?

 

Regards

DL

 

 

 

I agree with natural law. 

I am however interested how religion is pieced together, limited as my knowledge is.

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