Can I justify my own existence?

May 31, 2021

Note: Written 7 years ago, by me, but I require it for a discussion regarding another thread.

Can I justify my own existence?

I am within a place....where to have or continue existence I must utilize another being for my own gain.

I cannot prove otherwise.......even though I have considered every option or opinion which I can become aware of.

My physical form dictates that I consume another being, animal or plant.......even water has its own awareness.
The spoken word here....decides a hierarchy which within is an exchange of energy and belief.
This exchange is seldom equal.......it is a use of another to further the self....yes the same as this post. (lol.......in fact by replying to this post you 'give' energy to me....and by NOT replying to this post, you still give energy to me as I then can consider your 'voice' of no value even though you did read it and this is shown)

To allow the use of another species or in fact the planet without trying to change things is an incorrect nature.
But.......to change things within another....is also wrong as it will use their being and turn it to your own.

How can I change things.......I cannot as this means that I remove responsibility from others, and I become responsible for them and their , now mine, action into a future.

How can one 'be'....by using others?

But if I do not change things for the better....then I become less and fail.......but what is better? And who's better would that encompass?

I am connected to others actions by my non action by becoming complicit to that which they have done and I have then allowed through my knowledge of the act.
This then would be enough.......to limit my being once again. (so a 'return')

I know that you find this very hard and harsh to understand but....

IF I DO NOT ACT, THEN OTHERS ACTIONS OF WHICH I HAVE KNOWLEDGE BECOME MINE by my non action and then being complicit to the act.
But.......IF I ACT, THEN I REMOVE RESPONSIBILITY FROM ALL OTHERS AND DETERMINE THEIR FATE BY MY ACTIONS.

But I cannot 'leave'....as through my own administration of being, I decided or volunteered to become here.......as a physical form....unless I am 'trapped' here?

There must be a reasoning to this existence....else there is NO POINT.

Live, procreate,die.......continue en mass to further a NOTHING....for NO REASON.

If you state that your reasoning for being is children.......then you are an IMBECILE, this point of view is not of a considered nature and you are indoctrinated.
Their is NO valid point of reference you can post which will, nor can support your stupidity in further allowing all else to suffer by your personal need to have sex and bring more souled beings here.

No just nor loving GOD would create this place.......as NO being of a self considered nature....and regarding all else.......would create this.

Really....take a step back and CONSIDER THIS

NO god would create this place, who IS a 'loving' god

Everything has to use or/and consume everything else to just 'be'

To live....to have awareness.......to have consciousness

No LOVING GOD would make you consume each other

nor would a loving god....make EVERYTHING upon this earth.......EAT everything else

But in hell....this could be the truth?

I am not attempting to make you 'believe' this post (understand....it makes you my responsibility)

I am trying to get you to consider what you are....and WHERE you are

Look around your world.......look and see the 'true' interactions within the beauty you perceive and consume through the energy your physical form requires.

So can I say that this post is correct for you.......NO

it is your responsibility and your designed fate....it is also YOUR prison and it is structured so that you fail.......multiple times

May 31, 2021

Why is the grass green?

My thinking was not along the lines of each of our own perceptions considering colour (color) as being different and that this may lead to a thought process where by we singularly can consider that which we each see as a difference and by doing so....accept this 'flaw' as a process of participation upon the point of being we currently share.

Even though this is a valid and logical consideration which all should at some time consider.

It was that the grass is green because it is EXACTLY what the grass is not!

The VERY limited aspect of the light (or radiation) that our physical form can calculate, at this junction of perceived time, leads each of us to believe in the information our eyes render to us.

Of course this is a lie....but a lie which is endorsed by our own senses and by the agreement of all others which we, singularly, have bonded with.

So the reason why the grass is green is that all the other frequencies of the spectrum of light which 'falls' upon it, becomes a part of the grass, is absorbed by the grass....but the 'green' is not a vibration which the grass requires, needs or wants....as that particular level of 'wave' cannot interact, with the grass, at this point.

So this is the identity which the grass reflects to our limited vision....the grass is NOT green....but this is what we see and therefore have a belief in and never question.

Back to a 'statement' made by many .......and I quote....”Your world is your soul reflection. Your world shows you who you are.”

So many of us accept this and we live by trying to change this 'world' around us or ourselves, but....what if that which we see is not a reflection of us but the complete opposite?

What if the 'world' we see is the lack of us?

What if we reflect that frequency which we will NOT absorb?

Then the seen world becomes a very different place!

Responsibility changes in at least two ways.

We are not libel for the current situation flowing within this existence....but we are and will be responsible for the outcome!

Why....because we can 'see' it and as we see it we can decide to change it via our acceptance or rejection of the 'colours' we dislike.

If all around each of us is 'that which we will not be' ….then by consideration of this we can 'become more'?

You may state that the glass in your window does not hold any of the limited spectrum of 'seen' light....or that a white cushion accepts no part of the spectrum....but the glass still creates a 'bounced' concept of the light and the white cushion determines a lack of reflected spectrum....so a reflected darkness?

Now we are back to the 'book no one wishes to discuss'....the darkness existed along with the wave and depth first.

Also consider how energy 'flows'....is energy a positive or a negative....how have you been taught?

Consider that sound will also act in the same manner upon our physical forms senses....how will this aspect of your supposed reality now relay its vibration around, within and external of you?

What 'sounds' will you not accept and reflect away into this place?

This dilemma of an interaction we create as a span of time is a reflection....time is also a mirror.

But it is a mirror with a 'backwards' depth....I will talk more on this if you wish?

So the grass is not green and our awareness is not coloured (colored) by the intoxication of the present.

It is only brought to a better consideration of this 'place'!

By the way....I am not attempting to BE anything or any already constructed concept of this 'idea' of an awareness.......I am only seeking my own 'breath of consideration within a very confined structure'.

My love (empathy) to you.

May 31, 2021

Prove that I exist and that YOU are not God?

If you do not feel that you are more than the physical body, then you are only electrical impulses, stimuli coming to a brain which decodes them and interprets them into the five senses.

If this is correct, then the only truth which you can have is an internal interpretation of a unprovable, perhaps, external reality.

Therefore, you cannot prove that I exist, nor anyone or anything else.

If I send you a text message (or post here), this will not mean that I exist.
If I talk with you on the phone, this will not mean that I exist.
If we meet in person, this will not mean that I exist, as once we part, I am undone.

It would only be your perception, of maybe the passage of what you believe as time, which would make you feel that something had happened.

Now you must be God in this place as you create all things, good or bad, around you.

How??
Freedom of choice.

Through your own day to day actions or in-actions, your own acceptance or rejection, your own dominance or submission, your own beliefs or dis-beliefs in all of this reality as you perceive it, in your world. You have your own feelings which no one else can have first hand knowledge of, which you alone control or allow to be controlled by, but which you cant prove are real.

In fact most thoughts you have do not happen, you just worry about them.
Why is this?
Because you decided to change the playing field in some way, which then negated any chance that the 'worry' would exist in your world.

You do change the existence, your world, around you, as you believe. For good or bad.
It is and always has been your choice in your world.

So I do not exist and You are God.

And I am only a being in a dream, which needs not time, space or mind.

To reflect....if I am reading your reply does not mean that I exist. It only means that you are creating an interaction.......with your own nature.

How can you....as the god you are within your creation.......be reading some one else's thought....there is only you!

That we are both anothers thought could not be correct as only one exists.......this being is you, defining your life, I have never 'felt' your emotions, known your 'fears', been expanded by your actions....the place you are in.......I am not and I am nor could be .......you.

There is only you.

Within the world that you create by your determination of that which you want, I have NO knowledge of.

That is your world....filled only by that which you create or allow.

Many allow harm and fear within their worlds....many of the fears are thoughts and do not become. This is an individual choice. I cannot make your decisions upon your actions then becoming your illusions!

Only you can allow.

Do you create within my world unless by my thought acceptance?

Can you determine that I have an awareness?

Have I a life?

Do I have emotions the same as you?

If we meet....do I still have a physical structure defined by electromagnetism which is self conscious or do I dissolve until needed as a form again?

Is my material structure the same as yours?

Am I a form of artificial intelligence created by you?

What I trying to say is that unless you ARE me.......can you be certain that I am?

Here is the answer to this question. Posted by a beautiful soul. The ONLY time this question has been answered and 'completely finished a circle' :

For me, until you came into my awareness, you did not exist for me. However, now that you have come into my awareness, if we never spoke again, or interacted in any way, physically, verbally, or by text, you will and would continue to be a part of my reality forever, and I will never forget you. You can not ever, not exist for me again.

So from this we can find that there are answers to all of our questions....ask each other, without hanging on to limitations.

May 31, 2021

So in this place I am All or Nothing

So in this place, I am all and nothing. All because I create my reality and nothing because it is an illusion.

Whether this helps or not, is of ego or not, is a truth or falsehood or not, is not for me to define, it is for you.

The existence I am subject to in this realm is of an intentional servile dogma.

This place, although my 'life' here has been only gently caressed by harm, is a beautiful hell beyond any I have previous knowledge of.

It took 6 of the years here, from my birth, to die, then to live again here always feeling out of place.

The concept of thought is interesting, but one must ask, are words thought or indoctrination?

I found that words indeed have power, that words also are symbols, that the sounds created by the words, when used with the correct symbol create reality, in this place.

For you researchers, look to incorporate prime numbers with an old runic alphabet (which was enhanced by 5 symbols) and the appropriate sound, in the correct vibration? Remember all is of frequency here!

To the point, finally you may say, I at a time found that most of my thoughts were not of me. This was because I found that I had thoughts which would question the morality of the thought which I had just had. This went on for a while then I noticed that I had thoughts which had to question the second thoughts I had.

It was as if my first thought was trying to 'adopt' the second thoughts authority so a third check, thought, was necessary?

After time of this, the mind I had went VERY quiet.

I began to not think in words but in images. This was rather confusing, as it is quite hard to determine the precise meaning of an image to others in words. It would be so much easier to have them share the image itself.

Question? How did humans have thoughts before the written word?

I also found that my images became of this place very quickly.

I ask you to try and think in images rather than words! You will find it quite hard but once you become able, you will find that your burden becomes vastly less and the 'chatter' stops.

Thought and written language are I feel a limiting factor here and should be swiped aside by imagery.

You are surrounded by words, you listen to others, you listen to the radio or television, you read words, you write words and sadly you think and create your life in words!

When you use words you use some thing else s 'monetary system' to enslave your own being.

The pen is mightier than the sword.

SPELLING

I know you have been in this place a long amount of time....it has been.......interesting to say the least.

In this life....you came here again with nothing, but my argument of morals.......I still have that which I entered here with.

I find it difficult to interact now that others are no longer individual but have become a same mass.

I find the dishonour abhorrent....yet hope that thought will return.

It is not my right to function as a barometer of others gauge of self....although I hope that this form of mine will expire in a state of knowing that the self within held it and all else which had honour upon this 'earth' beyond that of fear

my love in death

I'm nearly there....

While I commend any attempts to 'unravel' the history of this place.......

a dream within a dream is still but a dream

If I am correct.......big if....then all that we experience is a creation of our limited thought.

In essence.......a 'thought' which has been blanketed by external of us.

This thought we create, but the 'will' within the thought is anothers.

If correct within this place then attempts to 'feel' truth of the past of this place are also corrupt.

dream within dream

again I ask

Question: What are you?

Question: What are others?

Side note: when I was younger, I wrote poetry....sad sad lines of text, my mother asked me how I could
write such words.......my answer was "I can feel ALL the pain around the world".

So I stopped, writing, and feeling to an extent (to add .... I stopped writing in all ways)

When I read all your words on this forum....I understand that I have been trying to be something I'm not.......two things in the same place
two experiences of the same time within one further experience of that same time

One real, one enforced, one to be chosen

The enforced one, I will never be as I cannot allow it

The real one....has cried again all day

this is good.

Back to the questions, what are you?

So here we stand again with my written words, meaningless some would state.......ah but the written word, once read within a mind
creates a vibrational effect, which will create externally of the physical form which utters, even if the utterances are internal.

Illusion never can change into reality....if you HAVE a fictional book and began reading at chapter 47.......in 'reading' the previous
chapters you may learn the 'true' nature of the book....but you are still limited to the story within the book.

Put the book down and ask

What am I

What is another

It would seem to matter not what is written.......what matters is whether one can 'put the book down' ....or not

Lets get love correct....

"All you need is love"

is this true?

well 'love' for a start is NOT just nice

love will kill, love is vengeful, love can consume,.......on and on and on

Which ever way you look at 'love' as its defined in this place, its NOT nice in all its aspects.

Yes 'love' can also be VERY giving and have a form which constructs GOOD in this place....but 'love' is not limited to this niceness.

Do you still love me?

lol

Still rambling, is that which is you still reading....sorry lol

....so I may be wrong

You probably now know that for a time I have considered this world hell

One of the main reasons being the interaction, seen, of nature.......while disregarding human actions
(for which if one looks truly can on the whole only be said to be 'harmful')

So....the rest of nature upon this planet, requires the consumption or utilisation of another awareness to exist.

bar none.

So of course along with myths and human indoctrination.......this lead me to consider this place hell

Now....regarding attempting to be two different things in the same point of being,
I could 'see' that this was as I was. So I tried to change and be one.

Then.......went well ok interaction is actually necessary between all

So then I considered my two cats....

They 'act' in the same manner as I act and feel, on a minute by minute basis.......

If that is true then all of nature acts as we feel (I have read reports of this regarding plants which re-act to a 'humans' intention)

So then, if true, this planet may not be hell but is a refection of our combined emotional state.

All of nature, in effect the planet and surrounding system, imitating us.

Rather than live from water (memory) and light (energy)....we consume all else, so naturally everything else upon this earth, acts in this manner.

You may say that our physical forms are constructed to eat, just look at an autopsy

But using the concept of 'collapsing the wave when measured' who is to say that this is not just 'Pandora's box'?

I may be wrong....AGAIN LOL

My 'fear' is though....if 'true' and we are responsible for not just all else.......but RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ACTIONS OF ALL ELSE

then I think I would 'prefer' this to just be hell....

It would 'seem' that love is only a reflection of fear, that compassion states a feeling of grandeur over that which is the focus of said given compassion....

That empathy for another is the singular dual.......

Lets have a quick look....

Love can be given but may not be returned
one sided and harmful.

Compassion is a chosen act, whom to have compassion for and why
Choices choices, decisions decisions.

Empathy is a part of one.......there or not

Empathy for another or all else....is not of a choice.......it is part of you, or you do not have it.

While all else is a choice to 'BE' with another....empathy completes you by being a part of all else.

.......there is that which I am, there is all else which is not me

Empathy....for want of a better word.......is BEING both

Origin · June 1, 2021

Interesting topic. Existence in this so-called world. And that which is called the way of humans. From my point of view, Humans can cling to illusions as much as they want, I am going my way. I guess almost everything is built on lies and manipulations. And I prefer to explore creation and this mysterious teacher. And I know that it is possible to understand reality demonstrated by this intelligence differently than it is understood here by humans. Nothing can be controlled and dominated which is the true nature of reality. Whether we like it or not there are two ways we can go. A way of our own or .... And the only prison for me is to get caught in a multitude of human constructs. I am going to the school of life a second time. One was imposed by Humans and the other is my personal choice and which I define as remarkable. As I understand it, it is wise to go your own way. That's all I know.

Mitochondrial Eve · June 1, 2021

Unless I have got the wrong thread, since starting to draft this reply last night (at my admittedly slow pace), some of ink's posts that I was responding to have now been deleted. However, I hope my memory serves me well enough to still reply to what is now gone. And hopefully my reply doesn't appear to be too off topic now.

ink made a point about how grass is “not green” as it reflects, rather than absorbs into itself, the colour that we observe it to be. My thoughts, for what they are worth, are that the colour presented in an object is also dependent on the perception of the beholder, rather than just the nature of the object itself.

Firstly, is the green that I see the same green that others see? Or could my green be blue to someone else and their green look red to me? Furthermore, grass appears green when viewed through the spectrum of white light. If it is dark, grass no longer appears green. Or, if grass is viewed for example through red light, it would appear black as there would be no green to reflect. And, to a colour blind person who cannot see green, grass would not appear green either.

Then we have black and white objects. Black does not "reject" any colour whereas white "rejects" all. So does that mean that black is black? Or is black all colours of the spectrum? And would it mean that white is not white, nor any colour?

So I think it is more complex than the grass “not” being green which was then extrapolated out to also mean that other sentient beings, including man and woman kind, reflect that which we will not absorb and therefore lack. However, some believe that we can project an image of ourselves and “fake it” until we “make it” and bring what we hope to be into existence – this may be how affirmations are said to work too. So perhaps projection (of what we lack) can allow for personal responsibility and empowerment and that we can be the change we want to see.

But still, I think the beholder can perceive another being very differently to the way another sees them, and differently too to how the being sees themself. For example, the people on this forum don't see DI - and the energy he projects - as mad, whereas many of the general masses think he is. Each and every one of us will have our own individual opinion of him and also interpret his words and actions differently. Who is to say what he really "is" or "is not"? DI would of course say that he is everything that is, has been and ever can be. I take that to mean that there is the potentiality for everything within each and every being as we all come from the same force of creation. So linking that back to objects of varying colours, perhaps there is the potential for all possibility in each thing but some energies in some objects are projected outwards, whereas some are absorbed and drawn inwards, and these each give different characterisations – perhaps that doesn't necessarily mean that the outward projection is a rejection of, and lack of, the energy, but just a different form of expression.

I don't believe that any energies are inherently positive or negative. There is a spectrum of potential - from the positive (usually seen as “good”) to the negative (usually viewed as “bad”) - within everything which I think is what the Masonic black and white chequerboard represents. For example, I don't think the symbols used by the elite are in and of themselves negative but rather this is driven by the intent that is put into them. Saturn as a (malefic) planet is often depicted as evil and can certainly express negatively as restriction, control, rigidity and even cruelty yet, on the positive side, it provides structure, order, responsibility and meaning. Whereas the Sun is thought to be an overwhelming positive symbol of warmth, optimism, life and clarity, it can also burn, blind and dry up what it touches. It depends on how energy is used and whether it is in balance. Some tarot cards - such as death or the tower cards - can look terrifying, but also have the potential for positive too such as transformation and a new lease of life in the case of the death card, or enlightenment, breakthrough or revelation when the tower card presents itself.

Natural law also entails that everything has an equal and opposite reaction. The more an energy is pushed in a certain way, is there not also the creation of the energy at the opposite side of the spectrum in equal measure? For example, the more cruelty and brutality that is presented, the more empathy and compassion arises in response. There seems to be a fundamental natural law in play whereby everything is kept in balance like a swinging pendulum - the more force is applied in one direction, the more it will later swing back the other way.

Whilst on the topic of natural law, Macnamara recently posted one of Mark Passio's presentations and I think he makes some interesting points including regarding transgressions of natural law. He believes that there are clear and objective rights and wrongs. He says that right behaviour is correct (in alignment with that which is true) and moral (in harmony with natural law) and does not result in harm to another sentient being. Whereas wrong behaviour is incorrect (not based in truth), immoral (not in harmony with natural law) and results in harm to another. The harms all result from theft – murder results in another person's life being taken, bodily autonomy is stolen through assault or rape or personal property may be taken. All rights are therefore property rights.

Some points were previously raised about the use of words or spells which have now been deleted. But I would agree that we need to be careful with the words we use and not to speak untruthfully. Although Passio does not include lying to another specifically on his list of transgressions of natural law, he has said it is one that could be included as it robs the other person of their freedom to make an informed and accurate decision – it keeps them in ignorance and so this too is a form of theft.

Regarding the meaning of the “G” encapsulated in the Masonic compass, he discusses what the “G” actually means. At lower levels, Masons are taught that it represents either “Geometry” or “God”. Within the middle echelons, the meaning is revealed as “Gnosis” (knowledge). But its true meaning, he says, which is learned above the 32^nd degree is that of the “Generative” principle or “Genesis”. Underpinning this creation energy is Care which he describes as the lost principle. Although care is connected to love, it can be distinguished from it. What a person cares about, focuses on and gives attention to helps it to grow. But having said that, anything “negative” should not be ignored either as doing this only encourages ignorance which then grows. Passio says that most people don't care about what is happening in this reality hence why it is the lost principle - you have to care enough to develop knowledge, and then you need to care enough to put any knowledge gained into action. He describes a “unity consciousness” made up of the heart (emotions), thoughts (mind) and actions (wisdom through right action). The heart, and what we care about, is a pump and a generator – the centre of our being that is generating our experience – it is our spiritual currency and should be invested wisely.

Those on the forum will already be fully aware of how the controllers adopt divide and rule tactics to keep us polarised. I think the chequerboard also represents this polarity through the black and the white, with those viewing from the top of the pyramid directing where our attention goes. Such divisions steer us away from our true spiritual currency and the “lost” generative principle of care making us less able to create our own reality whilst they manifest theirs.

With the current pandemic narrative, my intuition suggests to me that the controllers are making a bid interrupt the cycle of life and death and natural law, and that transhumanism will be the end of life as we know it. I just hope that they are pushing it too far and too soon and that the pendulum will swing back before they achieve their aim.

Edited June 1, 2021 by Mitochondrial Eve
Issues with format

June 1, 2021

21 minutes ago, Mitochondrial Eve said:

Unless I have got the wrong thread, since starting to draft this reply last night (at my admittedly slow pace), some of ink's posts that I was responding to have now been deleted.

I am sorry .... When I post such 'thoughts' as I have in this thread, I always end up feeling like I am preaching and trying to convert others .... which I am not.

I also feel that my 'words' are simplistic, immature and very likely incorrect in too many ways and as such .... not really for public exposure.

So I end up regretting posting them and as they had no reply, felt it ok to remove them ( if I was not a mod, I would have asked a mod to do it).

I apologise and have restored them.

karmaxxxx · June 1, 2021

On 5/31/2021 at 6:30 PM, ink said:

Note: Written 7 years ago, by me, but I require it for a discussion regarding another thread.

Can I justify my own existence?

I am within a place....where to have or continue existence I must utilize another being for my own gain.

I cannot prove otherwise.......even though I have considered every option or opinion which I can become aware of.

My physical form dictates that I consume another being, animal or plant.......even water has its own awareness.
The spoken word here....decides a hierarchy which within is an exchange of energy and belief.
This exchange is seldom equal.......it is a use of another to further the self....yes the same as this post. (lol.......in fact by replying to this post you 'give' energy to me....and by NOT replying to this post, you still give energy to me as I then can consider your 'voice' of no value even though you did read it and this is shown)

To allow the use of another species or in fact the planet without trying to change things is an incorrect nature.
But.......to change things within another....is also wrong as it will use their being and turn it to your own.

How can I change things.......I cannot as this means that I remove responsibility from others, and I become responsible for them and their , now mine, action into a future.

How can one 'be'....by using others?

But if I do not change things for the better....then I become less and fail.......but what is better? And who's better would that encompass?

I am connected to others actions by my non action by becoming complicit to that which they have done and I have then allowed through my knowledge of the act.
This then would be enough.......to limit my being once again. (so a 'return')

I know that you find this very hard and harsh to understand but....

IF I DO NOT ACT, THEN OTHERS ACTIONS OF WHICH I HAVE KNOWLEDGE BECOME MINE by my non action and then being complicit to the act.
But.......IF I ACT, THEN I REMOVE RESPONSIBILITY FROM ALL OTHERS AND DETERMINE THEIR FATE BY MY ACTIONS.

But I cannot 'leave'....as through my own administration of being, I decided or volunteered to become here.......as a physical form....unless I am 'trapped' here?

There must be a reasoning to this existence....else there is NO POINT.

Live, procreate,die.......continue en mass to further a NOTHING....for NO REASON.

If you state that your reasoning for being is children.......then you are an IMBECILE, this point of view is not of a considered nature and you are indoctrinated.
Their is NO valid point of reference you can post which will, nor can support your stupidity in further allowing all else to suffer by your personal need to have sex and bring more souled beings here.

No just nor loving GOD would create this place.......as NO being of a self considered nature....and regarding all else.......would create this.

Really....take a step back and CONSIDER THIS

NO god would create this place, who IS a 'loving' god

Everything has to use or/and consume everything else to just 'be'

To live....to have awareness.......to have consciousness

No LOVING GOD would make you consume each other

nor would a loving god....make EVERYTHING upon this earth.......EAT everything else

But in hell....this could be the truth?

I am not attempting to make you 'believe' this post (understand....it makes you my responsibility)

I am trying to get you to consider what you are....and WHERE you are

Look around your world.......look and see the 'true' interactions within the beauty you perceive and consume through the energy your physical form requires.

So can I say that this post is correct for you.......NO

it is your responsibility and your designed fate....it is also YOUR prison and it is structured so that you fail.......multiple times

wow Ink you have given so much food for thought with that piece, some of the sentiments I actually grasp, but others I will have to have deep reflection on.

some of what you wrote about I often thought about as a young child, I.E why are we here? what's our purpose? why would a creator create death or atrophy? why do I remember past lives others cannot? ETC. now reading into that piece more I feel its down to our choices conscious or other wise.

Its my belief we are in a lower plane heavy dense over bearing and can become hell if left to the status quo. you have to in my mind reduce your consumption on many levels , as you rightly point out a demanding and needy person will drain your energy, so what do you do you don't attack them, you gently move away from there demands.

you do it with grace and understanding. so as far as my understanding goes, and i had an intense learning curve with AYA

karmaxxxx · June 1, 2021

which showed me everything was inter-connected on every plane, we are the micro-cosmos and at the same time macro-cosmos. everything is energy nothing is good nothing is bad, it just is what it is. what we do with ourselves is our responsibility, though it commendable for those that can walk a mile in his brothers shoes and understand his trials and tribulations, but you cannot and should not try and FORCE his own choices, even if you can see it will end in a train wreck.

That's their choice, just be there to give a helping hand when they ask for your help. my teacher said to me the way out of here is no emotion, no reaction, ( that is not to be uncaring) just let it be. and the celestial doorway is 90 degrees to the right, if you remember the old proverbial saying the devil sits on the left shoulder whispering in your ear the celestial on the right ear, so which ear are we to listen to that's our choices. I could go on forever with regards to this bro and honestly trying to find the right way to put it across is a pure mission. words fail me to put it in a clear and concise way. and i honestly thank you for putting that piece up, its left me with so much food for thought.

June 2, 2021

*comment purely as a bookmark to return.

BC

June 2, 2021

I do thank you guys for your thoughts but I find it difficult to reply!

I talk on the phone or preferably in person as this is more 'real' ....... and in that action is something greater than 'just typed words'.

Writing 'shit' is ok but always makes me feel that I am NOT actually communicating anything ....... that it is such a 'non real' interaction ....... I cannot 'see' you nor 'feel' you .... all the 'movements (if only in your voice)' you would have ....... It makes me sad :(

So why do I post this stuff .... I am asking questions of myself!

It is a selfish interaction.

I want to know WHY.

why i am

what i am

where i am

what will i become ....... will i be anything ....... was i something or have i never been

what is the reason ....... the point

do those i care for exist .... do those i don't know exist

It is always questions!

Non stop .... questions and this is a way for me to vent my fury at this world .... to constantly ask ....... What The Fuck Am I Doing?

So, if it is ok, I shall put some other 'thoughts' in here (this one thread) .... disjointed as they maybe .... and maybe I shall not focus on discussion of them BUT I promise that I shall read any reply ....... and in doing so it may make me more?

And for that I thank you :)

June 2, 2021

6 minutes ago, ink said:

I talk on the phone or preferably in person as this is more 'real' ....... and in that action is something greater than 'just typed words'.

Funny you should say that...
l was thinking just how difficult it would be to respond here in this thread with the written word and was considering doing an audio / video response at some point soon.
BC

Nobby Noboddy · June 2, 2021

You lot are all thinking way too much.

To be and know what is. Just be, observe what is (I know this is difficult to apply right now).

Cat does what cat does, dog does what dog does (there's a question here).

I am struggling at the moment because I have taken in possibly too much of others information/opinion on a certain subject. I realised today that I've still got no answer and so it must come from somewhere else.

However knowing that BEING is the most precious gift, I try, try and try again to appreciate and understand it as much as I can. Good AND bad.

June 2, 2021

4 minutes ago, Nobby Noboddy said:

Just be, observe what is

I cannot mate .... I have been in the surrounding envelope and experienced that interaction .... in a physical form!

I can't just ignore that!

There ....... which is here .... I was physical but other's could not see me.

I wrote about my first time there .... which is HERE .... but physical forms cannot see any of it ....... BUT it is there, all around us ....... ALWAYS in this realm .... We are NEVER alone!

Did I die?

What was it .... easy to throw away with the written words .... but it was an experience (the first of some) I had there .... and it is a memory for me the same as any other in this 'place'!

Here is what I wrote at that past point ....

~~~~~~~

Each night I have many dreams which fade quickly but I dont think I will ever forget the last one I just had!

Lucid dream, OBE....I don't know but its my first time like that.

I always seem to dream from a 3rd person perspective, in other words I watch me in the dream, but things just changed. I remember me in bed in a sort of half sleep asking "show me"....I must have asked 5 or 6 times then seeing me in a old dark building with a women I didn't know. I watched 'me' and the women move to an open window, then I'm looking over the top of 'me' and the women at the bright outside. We are about 7 floors up and I can see all the building around and the alley which has a pile of sand in along with bits of old scrap.

Did I fall, jump or was I pushed? I know that the awareness with which I was watching the dream me was pushed into the falling me....I felt the 'push'!

I don't really know how to put this.......but I was suddenly in that dream body of mine, I mean as real as this world, I was IN that body. That body was real and it was me! And now I was falling towards the alley, feeling the sudden fear of that moment.

I twisted my self round to try to grab a passing window ledge, but missed, then in the panic I shouted "no"....and stopped....so now Im just floating in the air!

This is difficult to put. Everything I am, all my experiences, all my memory’s, all my emotion, was in a now physical 'me' floating in the air above an alley way. I could feel the air around me but mainly I was thinking, OH SHIT IM HERE.

Lots of thoughts ran very quickly through my head, even the thought “I'm in this head”.

I thought, I’ve read lots about this flying in dreams or astral travelling and I’ve watched 'me' fly in dreams....but I’m in this physical body, this is me. Quite a bit of confusion along with lots of apprehension as I was still 'floating' about 40 foot above a rather hard looking ground in my 210lb frame.

Sitting here now typing this I keep stopping....I am shocked, I was there, it was every bit as real as here, complete in every way. Time was there, passing in the way it does here. Feelings, the same me there as here now. Putting this into words is like typing a memory of something I did yesterday, not like describing a dream but telling a very recent 'life' event.

No I did not go zooming and swooping around like superman, actually I was so concerned about remembering that I cant do this, along with a bit of a fear of heights that I gently moved a bit left and right, went up a bit then was just thinking 'get on the ground this might wear off get on the ground'. So I floated down to the ground and was surprised to actually 'feel' the weight of me touching down!

Now Im stood there looking at my arms, turning my hands over, touching my legs, pulling my clothes, looking around and having the words 'sh*t Im here' going round and round in my head.

Looking up and down the alley, one end is walled off but the other end goes into a arched walk way with a door at the end. So I walked off down there, still totally shocked that Im here or there? Never mind the fact that I had just been floating about, nor that I had just been pushed out of a window! It really was real I was here!

I walked under the archway, looked into a rooms on the left and right. Nether had a door and both were dark and empty, with a mouldy smell, except for white washed windows.

Turned.... looked at the door and thought as I walked 'someone said about moving through walls but they didn't think it right to walk through a window and they found themselves back in bed'. The door was wood with small glass panels. I thought 'I don't want to go back yet, and I have been flying'.

So without slowing down but with my hands slightly raised......I walked through the door!

It sounded like, or like the way I would imagine, static shattering.

It felt like walking through a motionless dry waterfall. There in front of you, then wrapping around you, then refilling the space as you pass through!

Im standing in a busy street, nervously smiling at what I just did, thinking what the people must be thinking, did anyone see that I didn't open the door?

There was a dark haired stern faced youngish man with a blue and white shirt on, looking at some fruit out side a shop, just 15-20 foot away from me. He was floating about 2 foot off the ground, so he could see the fruit at the back of the display.....I thought '???????'

He turned floated towards me, looked at me with distaste, looked at my feet and just floated off?

I looked at my feet.

There were two small steps from the door down to the pavement....I hadn't noticed them and was actually floating about 8-10 inches above the pavement.

I dropped my feet to the floor.......I just needed to think to do that.

Anyway no one else was 'floating' about, just lots of normal people doing normal things on a busy high (main) street. Cars going passed etc.

But people didn't seem to see or hear me. They didn't walk into or through me, they just avoided the space I was in?? I could feel them brush past me, I could touch things, the fruit etc.

I walked down the street quite close to a lady in a black and white checked skirt suit. She had very black hair and I could smell the perfume she had on.

At this point I thought 'lets see if I can find someone I know' and was now about to try the superman flying thing but as I tried to think to fly....I just heard 'no'.......and woke up in bed back here feeling some what detached?

If it was just a very vivid dream, then all I can say is that this 'real world' is the same vivid dream. I was as much there as I am here.

~~~~~~~

The street, in London, I found myself thrown into .... I found and it is real and I had never been there but it is as I interacted with it.

Your physical form cannot see what is always around you!

June 2, 2021

I think Stuart Wilde said that the closest realm was about an arms length away at 90 degrees?

Anyway .... another 'old thought' .... and I like the title :)

The Dragons mind creates the circle of its life here, as it wanders in a Hell it can't remember entering

Maybe I'm stuck in my own shadow?

The mind needs no time or space to be. A dream or meditation creates its own time and will have any space it needs.

A being is bigger on the inside than all of the macrocosm that which the being perceives. Close your eyes and all you wish is there.

If you can picture the Multi-verse side by side with a pea, the Multi-verse being the inside of the person and the pea (Uni-verse or single-verse?) being where the being is located, then would the exterior of the being, the body itself, be the shadow of the Multi-verse reflected by the body within the pea or single-verse?

A reflected shadow may show the inverse of the reality.
Definitions.
1: reflection - a likeness in which left and right are reversed; similarity in appearance or character or nature between persons or things; "man created God in his own likeness"
2: shadow - An area that is not or is only partially irradiated or illuminated because of the interception of radiation by an opaque object between the area and the source of radiation.
3: inverse - something of a contrary nature or quality

The Ouroboros (symbol of the dragon eating its own tail) was described by Plato as “a self-eating, circular being, as the first living thing in the universe....an immortal, mythologically constructed entity”

Hades is of course the god of the underworld or hell (his brothers having be given the sky and the sea....which seems to only leave the ground?). Well in the Sibylline oracles Hades also appears as the abode of the dead, and by way of folk etymology, it even derives Hades from the name Adam (the first man), saying it is because he was the first to enter there.

THERE???

Ok so could we see this pea, as being hell, with Earth as a place within it?

I know I can as:
No one said hell wasn't beautiful but then what reference point do most people have?
In other words, who said this world is / was / maybe of beauty?
Most people remember no being to refer to as a point of beauty in an existence here.
So they cannot determine if this place is of beauty or not!
They are only told it is and they accept this.

Also:
All things in this place require another to live from. Everything uses everything else. You cannot stay long here and not “do harm”.
If you eat, you consume the life’s harm of another being as it is held in each cell, the same as water, which is the record keeper of all things here.
If you partake of water, you ingest the multiplied feelings embedded in that liquid.
If you cleanse your physical form, then you remove from this place multiple millions of bacteria which have the same right to 'life' as you feel you have.
If you act in the manner of a vegetarian, then you still do harm, as all plants have emotions and feel when life is ripped from them.

Beings cannot “Do No Harm” in this world!
This is hell as far as i can see!

Isn't it funny how the gods, back in heaven or Multi-verse, don't need to deal with money but you have to use money when going to hell by paying the ferry man on the river Styx or you have to wait on the Banks of Sorrow!!

Now Gaia was the Grand-mother of Hades and Hades didn't really like existence back home with the other gods, so mainly he just stayed in hell after getting the job.

All the other gods wouldn't go to hell as on the whole NO ONE left after traveling through the lake of Lethe, where souls flocked to erase all memory .......so the god Hermes got the job of transitions, boundaries and as messenger of the gods of the upper and lower worlds.....maybe so granny could keep in touch with Hades?
Also the first region of Hades comprised the Fields of Asphodel, where the shades of heroes wander despondently among lesser spirits, who twitter around them like bats!
Not really a place you would book to visit even if family live there. (bit like going to Birmingham lol)

Hermes carried a staff called The Caduceus. This is a short staff entwined by two serpents, surmounted by wings.
Hold on, Hermes could travel freely between heaven and hell or to put it another way....between the Multi-verse and this single-verse?

Hmm?

So maybe the Ouroboros and the Caduceus have a connection?

The Ouroboros being the first constructed entity in this single-verse and the Caduceus being a method to freely leave once you have entered this single-verse?

Now we know that most of our lives here deal with fictions whether in law, commerce, day to day living etc and I'm sure that you have the same type of coincidences and synchronicity that I do, where it would seem that you are creating the life you have as you go along?

Well what if you are and this is shown by the Ouroboros?

The Dragons mind creates the circle of its life here, as it wanders in a Hell it can't remember entering, becoming the shadowed refection of that which it is, having daily to consume (live through) that which it created.

And the circle NEVER ends.
The end becomes the beginning.

You were a Dragon. Time and space being but trivial play things for you.
You lost your wings and became a snake. Time and space being all you have.

The (239 BCE) Lüshi Chunqiu quotes Confucius comparing Dragons, one-footed dragons, and fish.
“The Dragon eats and swims in clear water; the one-footed dragon eats in clean water but swims in muddy water; fish eat and swim in muddy water. Now, I have not ascended to the level of a dragon but I have not descended to that of fish. I am perhaps a one-footed dragon!"
Well what can we do? Maybe the Caduceus shows the way?

Two snakes climbing a staff to regain their wings.
A staff would be held on the ground.
The ground was given to Hades and is Hell.

Hermes didn't have to 'die' to leave Hell, as say Hercules had to. Even though Hercules was a demi-god, fathered by Zeus, when he died his body remained in Hell but his being went to Olympus to become a God.

Very few have been said to have 'left Hell once they entered' and it seems to me that the Caduceus does show the way.

One snake is knowledge. Knowing where you are and what truly you are.
The other snake is the energy with which you force the creation of the staff, thus giving you the ladder to climb back to your wings and become whole (one with one ) again.

So it would seem to me that the necessary energy is either Kundalini energy or Qi energy?
They may of course be the same thing??
Chi energy....well actually is all about Dragons!

There be Dragons here....LOL

Nobby Noboddy · June 2, 2021

40 minutes ago, ink said:

I think Stuart Wilde said that the closest realm was about an arms length away at 90 degrees?

Anyway .... another 'old thought' .... and I like the title :)

The Dragons mind creates the circle of its life here, as it wanders in a Hell it can't remember entering

Maybe I'm stuck in my own shadow?

The mind needs no time or space to be. A dream or meditation creates its own time and will have any space it needs.

A being is bigger on the inside than all of the macrocosm that which the being perceives. Close your eyes and all you wish is there.

If you can picture the Multi-verse side by side with a pea, the Multi-verse being the inside of the person and the pea (Uni-verse or single-verse?) being where the being is located, then would the exterior of the being, the body itself, be the shadow of the Multi-verse reflected by the body within the pea or single-verse?

A reflected shadow may show the inverse of the reality.
Definitions.
1: reflection - a likeness in which left and right are reversed; similarity in appearance or character or nature between persons or things; "man created God in his own likeness"
2: shadow - An area that is not or is only partially irradiated or illuminated because of the interception of radiation by an opaque object between the area and the source of radiation.
3: inverse - something of a contrary nature or quality

The Ouroboros (symbol of the dragon eating its own tail) was described by Plato as “a self-eating, circular being, as the first living thing in the universe....an immortal, mythologically constructed entity”

Hades is of course the god of the underworld or hell (his brothers having be given the sky and the sea....which seems to only leave the ground?). Well in the Sibylline oracles Hades also appears as the abode of the dead, and by way of folk etymology, it even derives Hades from the name Adam (the first man), saying it is because he was the first to enter there.

THERE???

Ok so could we see this pea, as being hell, with Earth as a place within it?

I know I can as:
No one said hell wasn't beautiful but then what reference point do most people have?
In other words, who said this world is / was / maybe of beauty?
Most people remember no being to refer to as a point of beauty in an existence here.
So they cannot determine if this place is of beauty or not!
They are only told it is and they accept this.

Also:
All things in this place require another to live from. Everything uses everything else. You cannot stay long here and not “do harm”.
If you eat, you consume the life’s harm of another being as it is held in each cell, the same as water, which is the record keeper of all things here.
If you partake of water, you ingest the multiplied feelings embedded in that liquid.
If you cleanse your physical form, then you remove from this place multiple millions of bacteria which have the same right to 'life' as you feel you have.
If you act in the manner of a vegetarian, then you still do harm, as all plants have emotions and feel when life is ripped from them.

Beings cannot “Do No Harm” in this world!
This is hell as far as i can see!

Isn't it funny how the gods, back in heaven or Multi-verse, don't need to deal with money but you have to use money when going to hell by paying the ferry man on the river Styx or you have to wait on the Banks of Sorrow!!

Now Gaia was the Grand-mother of Hades and Hades didn't really like existence back home with the other gods, so mainly he just stayed in hell after getting the job.

All the other gods wouldn't go to hell as on the whole NO ONE left after traveling through the lake of Lethe, where souls flocked to erase all memory .......so the god Hermes got the job of transitions, boundaries and as messenger of the gods of the upper and lower worlds.....maybe so granny could keep in touch with Hades?
Also the first region of Hades comprised the Fields of Asphodel, where the shades of heroes wander despondently among lesser spirits, who twitter around them like bats!
Not really a place you would book to visit even if family live there. (bit like going to Birmingham lol)

Hermes carried a staff called The Caduceus. This is a short staff entwined by two serpents, surmounted by wings.
Hold on, Hermes could travel freely between heaven and hell or to put it another way....between the Multi-verse and this single-verse?

Hmm?

So maybe the Ouroboros and the Caduceus have a connection?

The Ouroboros being the first constructed entity in this single-verse and the Caduceus being a method to freely leave once you have entered this single-verse?

Now we know that most of our lives here deal with fictions whether in law, commerce, day to day living etc and I'm sure that you have the same type of coincidences and synchronicity that I do, where it would seem that you are creating the life you have as you go along?

Well what if you are and this is shown by the Ouroboros?

The Dragons mind creates the circle of its life here, as it wanders in a Hell it can't remember entering, becoming the shadowed refection of that which it is, having daily to consume (live through) that which it created.

And the circle NEVER ends.
The end becomes the beginning.

You were a Dragon. Time and space being but trivial play things for you.
You lost your wings and became a snake. Time and space being all you have.

The (239 BCE) Lüshi Chunqiu quotes Confucius comparing Dragons, one-footed dragons, and fish.
“The Dragon eats and swims in clear water; the one-footed dragon eats in clean water but swims in muddy water; fish eat and swim in muddy water. Now, I have not ascended to the level of a dragon but I have not descended to that of fish. I am perhaps a one-footed dragon!"
Well what can we do? Maybe the Caduceus shows the way?

Two snakes climbing a staff to regain their wings.
A staff would be held on the ground.
The ground was given to Hades and is Hell.

Hermes didn't have to 'die' to leave Hell, as say Hercules had to. Even though Hercules was a demi-god, fathered by Zeus, when he died his body remained in Hell but his being went to Olympus to become a God.

Very few have been said to have 'left Hell once they entered' and it seems to me that the Caduceus does show the way.

One snake is knowledge. Knowing where you are and what truly you are.
The other snake is the energy with which you force the creation of the staff, thus giving you the ladder to climb back to your wings and become whole (one with one ) again.

So it would seem to me that the necessary energy is either Kundalini energy or Qi energy?
They may of course be the same thing??
Chi energy....well actually is all about Dragons!

There be Dragons here....LOL

Like I said... waaay too much thinking.

Do you have any blackbirds around you? I'm lucky. I do. They sing the most beautiful conversational songs. I especially like it when I hear the distant replies.

All of what you outline is hearsay, albeit allegorical hearsay.

What has any of that 'knowledge' given you, apart from more questions?

AND I ask that of myself lately.

Edited June 2, 2021 by Nobby Noboddy
humble addition...

June 2, 2021

15 minutes ago, Nobby Noboddy said:

Like I said... waaay too much thinking.

The whole point of this thread is ....... Thoughts

Am I correct in stating that you consider Flat Earth to be correct and so you only now consider your physical forms input as truth? (I believe you have/had a website which held information regarding Flat Earth? .... If I am wrong then fine)

I consider the Flat Earth concept as a stepping stone for people to maybe, move through ....... that it can lead to a greater thought?

15 minutes ago, Nobby Noboddy said:

All of what you outline is hearsay

No .... it is my thoughts or experiences which I have posted .... which is what this thread is about ...... Our thoughts on this realm!

15 minutes ago, Nobby Noboddy said:

What has any of that 'knowledge' given you, apart from more questions?

Hopefully enough that I shall become an individualised, singular awareness? But I do not know :(

That I shall be 'born' from this seeming 'womb'?

15 minutes ago, Nobby Noboddy said:

AND I ask that of myself lately.

and that is only which I do my friend :)

Nobby Noboddy · June 2, 2021

12 minutes ago, ink said:

The whole point of this thread is ....... Thoughts

Am I correct in stating that you consider Flat Earth to be correct and so you only now consider your physical forms input as truth? (I believe you have/had a website which held information regarding Flat Earth? .... If I am wrong then fine)

I consider the Flat Earth concept as a stepping stone for people to maybe, move through ....... that it can lead to a greater thought?

No .... it is my thoughts or experiences which I have posted .... which is what this thread is about ...... Our thoughts on this realm!

Hopefully enough that I shall become an individualised, singular awareness? But I do not know :(

That I shall be 'born' from this seeming 'womb'?

and that is only which I do my friend :)

Interesting you ask about FE, I'm close to being convinced but have my own experiments to do and some of the equipment needed (Nikon P1000). I may have put one of my rather neglected websites here somewhere. None of my sites have been updated for quite a while and as I'm sure you know as your thirst grows stronger, weaker older views are discarded. So any of my sites may not reflect my current views.

Another new thought coming to me recently is about the 'unconscious', 'sub-conscious' or whatever you want to call it. I'm sure we all have some experience of an inner will overriding or guiding our outer life without us realising it (why the f*ck did I do that? sort of thing). For me it was first made manifest by mundane intuitions that I noted connected with work. That prompted me to review as much of my life as I could and I discovered a deep rich tapestry that if I had this knowledge then maybe I could have done something. Instead of leading an 'ordinary' life.

My new thought is this. Is that my soul and not some Freudian Spockish, cock and bull?

It not only knows much more than I but would also appear to be the source of pain when I do bad and know it.

June 2, 2021

20 minutes ago, Nobby Noboddy said:

Interesting you ask about FE, I'm close to being convinced but have my own experiments to do and some of the equipment needed (Nikon P1000). I may have put one of my rather neglected websites here somewhere. None of my sites have been updated for quite a while and as I'm sure you know as your thirst grows stronger, weaker older views are discarded. So any of my sites may not reflect my current views.

Cool .... the same as the posts I make here do not reflect my immediate thoughts about this realm .... but they do ask questions and I am all for questions :)

FE is a stone across the stream, to my mind ....... somewhere to step and thus still be able to 'hold' a conception of 'some' realness in the individual mind, so one does not drown at that point .... but I do not consider it an 'end point' ....... it is only a beginning!

27 minutes ago, Nobby Noboddy said:

Another new thought coming to me recently is about the 'unconscious', 'sub-conscious' or whatever you want to call it.

For me it is 3 parts .... the physical form .... that which I am .... the parasite.

The physical form is an animal .... and it has wants needs and fears.

The parasite is all the shit you may consider .... all the 'voice in the head' saying you are fat or you can't do xyz or the thoughts you know are NOT from you!

That which I am ....... I am trying to work that one out :)

But I have a 'teacher/parent' as per this post ....

33 minutes ago, Nobby Noboddy said:

Instead of leading an 'ordinary' life.

I do not believe that YOU could now do such a life ....... BUT, you may create some fucking weird 'trips' on the way :)

35 minutes ago, Nobby Noboddy said:

My new thought is this. Is that my soul and not some Freudian Spockish, cock and bull?

It not only knows much more than I but would also appear to be the source of pain when I do bad and know it.

Soul or Spirit?

karmaxxxx · June 2, 2021

1 hour ago, ink said:

I think Stuart Wilde said that the closest realm was about an arms length away at 90 degrees?

Anyway .... another 'old thought' .... and I like the title :)

The Dragons mind creates the circle of its life here, as it wanders in a Hell it can't remember entering

Maybe I'm stuck in my own shadow?

The mind needs no time or space to be. A dream or meditation creates its own time and will have any space it needs.

A being is bigger on the inside than all of the macrocosm that which the being perceives. Close your eyes and all you wish is there.

If you can picture the Multi-verse side by side with a pea, the Multi-verse being the inside of the person and the pea (Uni-verse or single-verse?) being where the being is located, then would the exterior of the being, the body itself, be the shadow of the Multi-verse reflected by the body within the pea or single-verse?

A reflected shadow may show the inverse of the reality.
Definitions.
1: reflection - a likeness in which left and right are reversed; similarity in appearance or character or nature between persons or things; "man created God in his own likeness"
2: shadow - An area that is not or is only partially irradiated or illuminated because of the interception of radiation by an opaque object between the area and the source of radiation.
3: inverse - something of a contrary nature or quality

The Ouroboros (symbol of the dragon eating its own tail) was described by Plato as “a self-eating, circular being, as the first living thing in the universe....an immortal, mythologically constructed entity”

Hades is of course the god of the underworld or hell (his brothers having be given the sky and the sea....which seems to only leave the ground?). Well in the Sibylline oracles Hades also appears as the abode of the dead, and by way of folk etymology, it even derives Hades from the name Adam (the first man), saying it is because he was the first to enter there.

THERE???

Ok so could we see this pea, as being hell, with Earth as a place within it?

I know I can as:
No one said hell wasn't beautiful but then what reference point do most people have?
In other words, who said this world is / was / maybe of beauty?
Most people remember no being to refer to as a point of beauty in an existence here.
So they cannot determine if this place is of beauty or not!
They are only told it is and they accept this.

Also:
All things in this place require another to live from. Everything uses everything else. You cannot stay long here and not “do harm”.
If you eat, you consume the life’s harm of another being as it is held in each cell, the same as water, which is the record keeper of all things here.
If you partake of water, you ingest the multiplied feelings embedded in that liquid.
If you cleanse your physical form, then you remove from this place multiple millions of bacteria which have the same right to 'life' as you feel you have.
If you act in the manner of a vegetarian, then you still do harm, as all plants have emotions and feel when life is ripped from them.

Beings cannot “Do No Harm” in this world!
This is hell as far as i can see!

Isn't it funny how the gods, back in heaven or Multi-verse, don't need to deal with money but you have to use money when going to hell by paying the ferry man on the river Styx or you have to wait on the Banks of Sorrow!!

Now Gaia was the Grand-mother of Hades and Hades didn't really like existence back home with the other gods, so mainly he just stayed in hell after getting the job.

All the other gods wouldn't go to hell as on the whole NO ONE left after traveling through the lake of Lethe, where souls flocked to erase all memory .......so the god Hermes got the job of transitions, boundaries and as messenger of the gods of the upper and lower worlds.....maybe so granny could keep in touch with Hades?
Also the first region of Hades comprised the Fields of Asphodel, where the shades of heroes wander despondently among lesser spirits, who twitter around them like bats!
Not really a place you would book to visit even if family live there. (bit like going to Birmingham lol)

Hermes carried a staff called The Caduceus. This is a short staff entwined by two serpents, surmounted by wings.
Hold on, Hermes could travel freely between heaven and hell or to put it another way....between the Multi-verse and this single-verse?

Hmm?

So maybe the Ouroboros and the Caduceus have a connection?

The Ouroboros being the first constructed entity in this single-verse and the Caduceus being a method to freely leave once you have entered this single-verse?

Now we know that most of our lives here deal with fictions whether in law, commerce, day to day living etc and I'm sure that you have the same type of coincidences and synchronicity that I do, where it would seem that you are creating the life you have as you go along?

Well what if you are and this is shown by the Ouroboros?

The Dragons mind creates the circle of its life here, as it wanders in a Hell it can't remember entering, becoming the shadowed refection of that which it is, having daily to consume (live through) that which it created.

And the circle NEVER ends.
The end becomes the beginning.

You were a Dragon. Time and space being but trivial play things for you.
You lost your wings and became a snake. Time and space being all you have.

The (239 BCE) Lüshi Chunqiu quotes Confucius comparing Dragons, one-footed dragons, and fish.
“The Dragon eats and swims in clear water; the one-footed dragon eats in clean water but swims in muddy water; fish eat and swim in muddy water. Now, I have not ascended to the level of a dragon but I have not descended to that of fish. I am perhaps a one-footed dragon!"
Well what can we do? Maybe the Caduceus shows the way?

Two snakes climbing a staff to regain their wings.
A staff would be held on the ground.
The ground was given to Hades and is Hell.

Hermes didn't have to 'die' to leave Hell, as say Hercules had to. Even though Hercules was a demi-god, fathered by Zeus, when he died his body remained in Hell but his being went to Olympus to become a God.

Very few have been said to have 'left Hell once they entered' and it seems to me that the Caduceus does show the way.

One snake is knowledge. Knowing where you are and what truly you are.
The other snake is the energy with which you force the creation of the staff, thus giving you the ladder to climb back to your wings and become whole (one with one ) again.

So it would seem to me that the necessary energy is either Kundalini energy or Qi energy?
They may of course be the same thing??
Chi energy....well actually is all about Dragons!

There be Dragons here....LOL

I think Stuart Wilde said that the closest realm was about an arms length away at 90 degrees.

yes it was Stuart Wilde who said that, And that Ink was my teacher whom I studied under and am very grateful that I had the chance.

the Caduceus, I believe is a symbol of balance, balance the left and the right and ground yourself and walk the middle path.

which is the hardest path of them all. those who are predominately left side of the brain are deep analytical thinkers, yet those who are predominately right side of brain creative . now society teaches (FORCES) use to the left we have to learn ( l EARN ) YOUR CERTIFICATES from schools etc. . you've been certified.

yet very little is done for the right side why? the powers that be do not wish for creative people.

hence why very little is taught = tort . legally.

they do show us many examples in plain sight for example politics. ( pole ticks) split the poles I.E. RIGHT AND LEFT against one another, which causes conflicts. DI raised this as a way of dividing the general populous against itself and has become more so in todays world and the ensuing madness that has set in. we are being fractured broken, and severed from our true nature. just my tuppence worth

Mitochondrial Eve · June 2, 2021

1 hour ago, ink said:

No one said hell wasn't beautiful but then what reference point do most people have?

In other words, who said this world is / was / maybe of beauty?
Most people remember no being to refer to as a point of beauty in an existence here.
So they cannot determine if this place is of beauty or not!
They are only told it is and they accept this.

There are many sights and sounds which have captured me and which I have felt within the centre of my being. From haunting melodies which pierce me to the core, breathtaking landscapes and resplendent autumnal displays, the majestic magnificence of the tiger and the dazzling brilliance of the sun setting over ocean, to the simple anticipation of buds starting to show through. Such displays are wondrous to me and the feeling I have in response is precisely that - a feeling akin to an intuitive knowing that there is a higher order to this reality which I don't intuit as malevolent. I don't think feelings can be taught, or that a person can be told how to feel and then just feel that way about something. Feeling is an experience and a transcendence.

So I think Nobby makes a good point that perhaps existence is for being (presence), rather than something that should be given over to too much thinking. Thinking - which is often based in the past or the future - can take away from the present and, whilst the mind makes a great servant, it also makes for a terrible master. Whilst I absolutely encourage learning and accumulating knowledge and believe that exchanges of ideas and beliefs are worthwhile, out of balance, this can become too cerebral and perhaps should be undertaken in conjunction with other experiences too like those involving the senses and stimuli, meditation and other practices.

Returning to the point about this being a realm of harm, I was recently captured by the words of Antoine Bechamp which resonate with me and link back to some of the points of my previous post. He said that "nothing is lost, nothing is created... all is transformed. Nothing is the prey of death. All is the prey of life."

karmaxxxx · June 2, 2021

On thoughts themselves to many thoughts do indeed leave an over bearing, and one thought does indeed lead to many more, now on the other hand lack of thoughts ( vacancy) ( meditation etc. ) leads to mental psychical and spiritual calm. still your unruly thoughts and let it be alright with you and in the quietness so shall you know me, and that I have walked with you all of your life. now thoughts are like our body cells they split and divide and multiply more and more which can lead to mental exhaustion. but also can lead to many self discoveries as well. the trick in my limited understanding is to balance a period of thought and a period of quietness. ( part of the middle path)but you cannot have one without the other, it would be like trying to separate night from day they both have there period. for every season there is a reason. everything is CIRCULAR the dragon chasing its tail. you obviously broke the circle and its my belief entered a reality which through an OBE

now can I ask one question please when you thought about moving lets say to the right did you go right or did you go left, and the reason I ask this is if you thought to go one way and went the opposite you where in the mirror worlds. where up is down and right is left and visa versa. I do unexpectedly and not all the time OBE .

I usually feel a sensation best I can describe it as pins and needles effect over my whole being then a vibration which becomes very strong and boom I am off, I have done this on and off as a child and throughout my life no thoughts ever needed, it can and does overwhelm you at times but there is always a reason for the happenstance. what you wrote about above there obviously was some form of communication for you which you must try decipher. usually not written but pictures the scene etc.

I would try reflect in meditation or the like (quietness) ask what am I being shown always think in pictures symbols that's the key bro

Scogan · June 2, 2021

On 5/31/2021 at 10:30 AM, ink said:

Can I justify my own existence?

A: I am within a place....where to have or continue existence I must utilize another being for my own gain.

B: How can one 'be'....by using others?

C: But if I do not change things for the better....then I become less and fail.......but what is better? And who's better would that encompass?

D: No just nor loving GOD would create this place.......as NO being of a self considered nature....and regarding all else.......would create this.

Lots of HEAVY stuff here, so I'll narrow my chiseled response to the these 4 (in reply to those quoted above);

A: Nature consumes nature at all levels. Animals consume, plants consume, molecules consume, viruses consume... they consume other consumables.

B: In order to BE you must absorb (consume) all things that make you. You consume minerals, elements, vitamins, acids, molecules that you require in order to BE. Without consumables you cannot exist in a physical form. Yet everything that consumes and is consumed is ONE CONSCIOUS ENERGY.

C: To better what? The world is full of fools wanting to make the world a better place, when in reality they are so miserable inside that the only way they can feel better about themselves is by pushing their ideas of 'better' onto everyone else. Al Gore is a prime example of this pushing his CO2 neutrality onto the world as he was screwing up his personal life / marriage. I don't want your 'better.' Instead, choose to focus on your immediate surroundings, lessen your idea of 'better' such as placing a mint plant in your house to make it smell better. And be nice. That is all I expect out of you, and should be all you expect out of me.

D: And remove God from the equation. If God exists, he is a warrior God. And perhaps a psychopathic egomaniac if we are to believe religious texts. (To me God is a man made creation as a means of coping with the brutality of life) to this end I will say appreciate nature, respect nature, be one with nature and yes that requires consuming nature.

Edited June 2, 2021 by Scogan

Scogan · June 3, 2021

In response to the thread, mainly INK's wide berth novellas; This topic is an Ole Ice Crean Shoppe with infinite flavors. So I challenge you this;

What if the answer is within the simplest flavor of all, the one with fewest ingredients, like vanilla?

Our five senses (ok, some people here might have six or more) allow us to perceive the physical world around us. We define physical properties, move within physical boundaries, and are constrained within a physical dimension of which physical laws rule.

Our mind, cortex, gray matter, processes physical information and is thus in a state of physical confinement, the body itself a jailer. The energy that we all have has full access to the mind and what we perceive. Yet this energy cannot be bound by our physical shell (there are numerous accounts of people sensing something is wrong with a loved one who is far away and later proven true; twins come to mind that share that instantaneous energy connection). But since our energy is clobbered 24/7 by a physical world it is hard to see what lies beyond.. enter the metaphysical and man's search of meaning beyond.

How is that vanilla? When we accept ourselves in physical form, and prescribe ourselves to the laws of nature, we give ourselves to the physical world without question; a natural state of being. That is the vanilla.

When we start adding to that 'natural state of being,' we invite infinite flavors to satisfy our infinite ideas in pursuit of the non-physical. By doing so we miss out on the vanilla experience assigned to us all.

And while it is true that you cannot prove my existence, just as I cannot prove yours, I can prove my perception of this thread and the comments within as they relate to my five physical senses. That is enough to prove to myself that I am alive, breathing, perceiving, enjoying a morning Cup-O-Joe.

And that is huge. I tend to think on the unfortunate among us, such as a young submariner dying while getting torpedoed and sunk in the Atlantic to a German U-boat, what was life to him? Or to anyone? There was no spiritual ladder dropped from the heavens to save that man's body from death. I believe his energy was eternal and lives on. But what was life to him after he died and reflected on it? Just a physical experience? Was there a purpose? Was it random or predestined? Will it repeat? Those are just a few of the infinite flavors creeping within the Ole Ice Cream Shoppe.

I'll have vanilla please.

Edited June 3, 2021 by Scogan

Mitochondrial Eve · June 3, 2021

On 6/2/2021 at 6:21 PM, ink said:

I do thank you guys for your thoughts but I find it difficult to reply!

I talk on the phone or preferably in person as this is more 'real' ....... and in that action is something greater than 'just typed words'.

Writing 'shit' is ok but always makes me feel that I am NOT actually communicating anything ....... that it is such a 'non real' interaction ....... I cannot 'see' you nor 'feel' you .... all the 'movements (if only in your voice)' you would have ....... It makes me sad :(

So why do I post this stuff .... I am asking questions of myself!

It is a selfish interaction.

I want to know WHY.

why i am

what i am

where i am

what will i become ....... will i be anything ....... was i something or have i never been

what is the reason ....... the point

do those i care for exist .... do those i don't know exist

It is always questions!

Non stop .... questions and this is a way for me to vent my fury at this world .... to constantly ask ....... What The Fuck Am I Doing?

So, if it is ok, I shall put some other 'thoughts' in here (this one thread) .... disjointed as they maybe .... and maybe I shall not focus on discussion of them BUT I promise that I shall read any reply ....... and in doing so it may make me more?

And for that I thank you :)

I do find it sad how distanced people are becoming. Whilst online communications certainly have some benefits - for example, this very forum remains a sanctuary of sanity for many during these difficult times and a place where ideas can be exchanged - it is really not a substitute for tangible, physical interactions. There is so much more to be gained - in terms of truly understanding and connecting with another - through the tone of somebody's voice, eye contact and their bodily / facial expressions.

Plugging us into technology and AI is obviously a big part of the agenda as the ultimate form of social distancing. We are being increasingly forced to connect to the interweb to perform even some of the most basic functions. Yet this serves to disconnect us from each other and spirit. The world is becoming increasingly plastic, hysterical and exhibitionist with people creating fake versions of themselves for public display and approval.

Max Igan has mused over our potential fusion with technology and believes that mankind have taken so easily to computer systems because of, he believes, the matrix simulation that serves as our reality - it is like second nature to us so we take to it like ducks to water. I wonder if plugging us in as such could change not only our neural pathways, but also the very fabric of the nature of this reality and what it is to be human.

It probably goes without saying that, for those of us seeing through the narrative, it is important at this time to keep up more meaningful "real world" connections and to form new ones, where possible, with other like-minded people. Perhaps this is easier said than done which may be where online communities can help aid with that, at least for now.

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