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I’ve not totally followed David because the lizard people thing kinda scared me off.  But I’ve read some stuff of his on Zionist agenda and I really believe this shit !  
      There’s a big Atheist/Christian dichotomy going on.  I am PAGAN and identify with my ancestors original faith .  Wanna know what fascism feels like - try wearing a pagan symbol in the south!  Haha

      I wonder how David feels about the growing rebirth of ancient religions?  I feel like Christian fall right in the Zionist agenda and we pagans and agnostics gotta fight like hell to resist this unnatural god!

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27 minutes ago, SocialDarwin said:

But I’ve read some stuff of his on Zionist agenda and I really believe this shit !  

 

Hiya. 

Going to move your thread to the Religion Section. 

More members will see it there.. 

BC :0)

 

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3 hours ago, SocialDarwin said:

 I am PAGAN and identify with my ancestors original faith .  

 

Just out of interest, what God do you worship in your form of Paganism? Or how would you define your form of Paganism?

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3 hours ago, SocialDarwin said:

I feel like Christian fall right in the Zionist agenda and we pagans and agnostics gotta fight like hell to resist this unnatural god!


Inspirational!   What’s your plan for the hell fight against the unnatural god? 

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That’s a good wearing pagan regalia in the south that’s a good start.  I’m sure they totally lose it when you come down the road. 
 

Been brainstorming...

 

Jesus said go to the widow, the orphan, the poor and visit them in their affliction.  
 

To fight this we should go down to the mission where they feed and clothe people, set up a maypole and swing around it. 
 

We should ban all efforts by Christians to bring clean water,  shelter, and other basic needs  to Central American children because you know, Zionism.

We should ban all holidays.  Christmas...oops that’s a pagan holiday.  Halloween.  Oh sorry pagan.  Easter...


Looks like we already won the hell fight without having to do anything. 
 

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You mean a lot of the church of Rome's holiday's are pagan.

 

Yep. 

 

Please don't confuse that with 'Christian'.

 

But at the same time I love Christmas, and Yule, if you like.

 

I'm not racists when it comes to holidays. I'll take all the holidays you can give me. But I know Christmas trees and Easter Eggs have got fuck all to do with Jesus. I think everyone does but it doesn't matter? Does it? I don't think so.

 

But check this, if we lived in a truly Christian country, EVERY DAY would be a holiday. We wouldn't be work slaves for some weird financial armageddon machine which is what we all seemed to be enrolled in.

 

 

 

 

 

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Jesus was probably born in the Autumn. And the Sabbath used to be on Saturday.

 

It was only Rome which decided to make Christmas coincide with Saturnalia and make a Sunday Sabbath.

 

But this was all predicted in the Bible itself when speaking of the antichrist prophesised in the book of Daniel:

 

 

Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

 

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I am an eclectic and futuristic pagan.  I recognize all the Non-Abrahamic Gods (Hindu included) and the Gods of my European and Native American ancestors.  
      Michi -  I do recognize that Christians have helped the needy.  But the Zionist agenda is much more significant in comparison to helping some needy.  The Zionists steal billions of your hard earned money and keep us in an extremely “class” system.   They also plan for the end of earth as we know it!!!!   And they don’t care about preserving the planet because they don’t give a shit about living here in the far future!   Yikes!

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On 5/28/2021 at 3:09 PM, SocialDarwin said:

I’ve not totally followed David because the lizard people thing kinda scared me off.  But I’ve read some stuff of his on Zionist agenda and I really believe this shit !  
      There’s a big Atheist/Christian dichotomy going on.  I am PAGAN and identify with my ancestors original faith .  Wanna know what fascism feels like - try wearing a pagan symbol in the south!  Haha

      I wonder how David feels about the growing rebirth of ancient religions?  I feel like Christian fall right in the Zionist agenda and we pagans and agnostics gotta fight like hell to resist this unnatural god!

 

 

If you take a look at the west you will find it is returning to Pagan values.

 

Transgenderism existed in Ancient Rome in the Cult of Cybele the Galli priests ritually castrated themselves and afterwards served the Goddess and dressed and essentially identified as women.

 

The degeneracy of the modern world is deliberate but it's not new. It has roots in the old Pagan mystery religions.

 

This is because the ancient mystery religion of the Freemasons is Satanic Paganism.

 

You will probably be right at home in the degenerate new-world order.

 

 

 

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9 minutes ago, Truthspoon said:

You will probably be right at home in the degenerate new-world order.

 

I think Paganism can mean many different things to different people. 

It doesn't necessarily mean 'Satanism' and Evil doings.. 

BC 

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59 minutes ago, Basket Case said:

 

I think Paganism can mean many different things to different people. 

It doesn't necessarily mean 'Satanism' and Evil doings.. 

BC 

 

So can you tell me about an example of a pagan religion in history which didn't do evil things?

 

Because I can't and these are the things I research.

 

By all means people can invent their own Gods and believe what they want...... doesn't mean it has any spiritual truth to it but that's up to them.

 

But the OP specifically says he identifies with Hindu Gods.


Hindu Gods such as Kali to whom children were ritually sacrificed and continue to be sacrificed to this day.

 

Why is a religion which allows child sacrifice better than Christianity?

 

It isn't. The OP hasn't thought it through.

 

 

 

 

 

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I'm a pagan also.

 

Lucifer has always appealed to me. Much more so than demon jehovah.

 

Unfortunately there's no getting through to the evangelical Christian types. They've been brainwashed themselves.

 

Most of them here are good people though and don't try to convert. 

 

There's a few pathological types though who like to make passive aggressive remarks about satanism without actually knowing what they are talking about. These are quite pathetic individuals, full of jealousy and bitterness hate and ignorance.  

 

Unfortunately for them they'll end up alone, with the sun stolen from their morn, and leave a lonely and malignant lie within their viscera as their only company among the cold and isolation in a world that cherishes them not. 

 

I think David would be quite open minded. One of the first books I read was truth vibrations and I was very interested in leylines at the time. A bit of a new age feel to it. But I know when David started he didn't seem to have much time for Christianity at all.

 

"God save us from religion" was one of his phrases he used.

 

Long live the horned god's. 🤘

 

 

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Long live the horned Gods? 

 

Like Moloch? To which children were burned alive?

 

What is going on here?

 

This isn't a larp or a joke. These evil things are real and they're happening even now. In fact now more than ever. Children are being sacrificed to the horned God on an industrial scale.

 

Why is that good?

 

 

 

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23 hours ago, SocialDarwin said:

I am an eclectic and futuristic pagan.  I recognize all the Non-Abrahamic Gods (Hindu included) and the Gods of my European and Native American ancestors.  

 

10 hours ago, Fluke said:

I'm a pagan also.

 

Lucifer has always appealed to me. Much more so than demon jehovah.

 

Oh dear. I think Naturalism and going back to natural law is Satanism by the back door. Not only that its a retrograde step, its going backwards not evolving forwards into the advanced people we should be.

 

Some Pagan did worship the 'one God', at least so my readings suggest and some only worshiped lesser gods as emissaries of the One God. But to worship many gods of nature and to worship nature itself or to let nature decide the fate of people is de-evolving going back to our animalistic past and we're better than that. I certainly would not want to go back to survival of the fittest mentality, we have (mostly) evolved from that. 

 

I compare the Garden of Eden story with our evolution, at some point we were living in nature taking as nature provided, then we moved to a higher form that can control and manipulate nature (planting crops, felling tree's for buildings) I do not want to de-evolve back to an animalistic state. I can only imagine this tendency is a reaction to organized religion, modern organized religion bad so go back to what was before. I think thats wrong, I think we need to correct our modern religion which we can do through study and open and honest discussion.

 

I was reading the 'Joy Of Satan' website, they now market themselves as rational people who believe in science, they are playing down their demonic side somewhat, although it is still there and featured on their site, but they are trying to position themselves as the rational, intelligent option or alternative to organized religion. This is a con in my opinion, they are what they are, we know what that entails.

 

Its the same as Luciferian theology, they are the intellectual, rational alternative to the corrupt Roman religion, or so they say. So if you follow Lucifer you are an intellectual somehow. This is just inversion, they infiltrated the Roman Christianity, perverted it from the inside and destroyed it and now they stand back and pretend to be the modern logical alternative. Its just a big con I'm afraid. Pincer attack destroy the church as corrupt, unnecessary and somehow unbelievable and build up their own 'church' as being the rational intellectual alternative and for those that don't agree with the rational argument they use the 'nature is best' argument hence they get the intellectuals and all the earth lovers swept up into a new religion without them realizing what they are doing.

 

The Freemasons used the same strategy, they position themselves as charitable, intellectuals who dispose of the superstition of religion and teach 'higher knowledge' only fit for a certain type yet all along they are leading people away from the light and into darkness. It worked for them and their Luciferian doctrine and now the Satanists are trying the same trick. Thing is, as I understand it, it seems Satan is NOT that powerful.

 

Thats one thing I credit the Christ Jesus with, his teachings evolved us upwards, he cleared away the old superstitious, sacrificial customs and gave us a simple yet truthful way of thinking that evolved us forward and made us better, why the hell anyone would want to go back to the 'Old Ways'is beyond me. We don't live in the woods anymore and we are not entirely subjected to nature, we can build houses, shelters, farm, create medicines and even travel to the stars and people willingly want to go backwards to being like animals?? Why, please, someone explain. I think its a natural rebellion to modern organized religion and they either go 'Earth Mother Goddess' or if your hard core 'Pagan' its like the difference between Vegetarianism and Vegan, they are the alternative so they're embraced the choice is do you go softly or hardcore. Gives people a sense of superiority and belonging to something better.

 

The thing is, its the same sort of people telling you that Paganism is good as those that are telling you how the universe works - spiritual adepts, it seems funny that you believe the Wiccan Witches about Mother Earth but you choose to disbelieve the White Witches who say Satanism is bad, how are people making that distinction between which 'Guru's' they believe and which they don't? - Displays of magical powers or something?

 

Can someone explain, whats the reason to go back to Paganism, the worship of nature and,as I see it, an animalistic mindset rather than evolve into intellectually higher human beings?

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Truthspoon - ALL religions have done “evil” things!  You know how many people Christians killed in the inquisition?!?!  Read up some dog.  I took Old Testament Lit -  those old Jews sacrificed too!  
      But the worst thing Christians have done in modern times is cause overpopulation (the Latin world is so poor because of too many people).  To me, the Catholic Church causes more suffering than any religion in history!

      Pagans don’t believe in Satan.  We don’t need a boogeyman.  When people want to be spiritual without a lot of dogma then they can come to us.

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Regardless of what religion you follow (or if you’re atheist) -  do you really think mankind will be atheist in the future?  I don’t think humans can live godless, I really don’t.  I may be wrong.   But,  one thing is for sure:  The OLD WAY is GOING AWAY!  I’ll let you have a ceremony and we’ll put flowers on it’s grave - but like it or not, it’s DONE!  Thank the Goddess 

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1 hour ago, SocialDarwin said:

Truthspoon - ALL religions have done “evil” things!  You know how many people Christians killed in the inquisition?!?!  Read up some dog.  I took Old Testament Lit -  those old Jews sacrificed too!  
      But the worst thing Christians have done in modern times is cause overpopulation (the Latin world is so poor because of too many people).  To me, the Catholic Church causes more suffering than any religion in history!

      Pagans don’t believe in Satan.  We don’t need a boogeyman.  When people want to be spiritual without a lot of dogma then they can come to us.

 

Yes the Roman church has done untold damage, taken lives, tortured, held back science, held back societies progress, started wars the list goes on and that is how we know its not really the 'true church' 'By their fruits ye shall know them' but just because the organization that got built up was corrupt does not mean the core message is worthless or corrupt. Again, the Roman church has been attacked by the forces of darkness, it may well have come into being under darkness but its core message - if you can distinguish it - is good - You have a soul, there is a heaven, there is a God and it wants us to love an care for each other. There's nothing wrong with that message, its the corrupt organizations that have built up around it seeking to control and profit from it thats the problem and those people leading the church astray were not 'good' people.

 

Anyway you say you want to get back to the 'Old ways' well the OT, which you seem to despise is an indication of what those 'old ways' you want to get back to would be really like. Pretty bad as you rightly point out, the god of the OT does seem demonic, no argument there but the Christ came and changed that, put an end to the 'old ways' and established a new way of thinking, akin to the Hindu's and Buddhists, you have a soul, there is a god, death is not the end, this life is temporary, this is the true spiritual message of the Bible and other religions and I don't see anything wrong with it and any reason to oppose or destroy it but I oppose the organizations that have taken advantage of the possession of this knowledge and the damage they have done to the world trying to keep hold of the power it gave them, we should be far more advanced than we are now, but going backwards to the 'old ways' is not going to help.


Good you don't believe in Satan, he is a creation of the Roman church. But you want people to be spiritual so you want people who know they have a soul, you therefore believe in the theory of 'Souls' so that theory goes that there is a heaven and a God, mostly that God is one of love and only requires us to enjoy the gift its given us - life, then we return to it. What bit don't you like or agree with? If you accept there is a soul and a lesser god of nature and water and fire etc why don't you accept there is a higher God and if you do and are in a state of rebellion against it, why? All the higher spiritual adepts we have say the idea is to evolve your soul mainly through quiet contemplation, acts of charity and loving fellow humans but those same adepts tell us there is a darker place we can go, there are powers we can contact for temporary gain but you pay a price in the next life - don't you believe them?

 

The over-population thing is a myth. Designed with Eugenics in mind and justified by 'natural selection' arguments, its just an intellectual front for murder.

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1 hour ago, SocialDarwin said:

Truthspoon - ALL religions have done “evil” things!  You know how many people Christians killed in the inquisition?!?!  Read up some dog.  I took Old Testament Lit -  those old Jews sacrificed too!  
      But the worst thing Christians have done in modern times is cause overpopulation (the Latin world is so poor because of too many people).  To me, the Catholic Church causes more suffering than any religion in history!

      Pagans don’t believe in Satan.  We don’t need a boogeyman.  When people want to be spiritual without a lot of dogma then they can come to us.

 

Christianity was hijacked by the very pagans you think so highly of. That's why it became evil and Jesus turned into an Easter Egg.

 

We don't need to go into the pagan trappings of the church of Rome. It's old news and everyone should have this basic level info by now.

 

Those with eyes to see recognise the truth of who Jesus was and his words while on Earth.


I'm pretty sure the Horned God or Kali doesn't offer the chance to escape the cycle of birth and rebirth the way Jesus did, and he made it simple for everyone to understand. Not like the pagan cults which trick you and mind control you until your serve the cult and forget your own soul.

 

Those who have looked behind the curtain and seen what is really going on behind the scenes tend to become Christians. Why do you think that is?

 

 

 

 

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i don’t see paganism as going backwards.  Pagans are much more receptive to change and progress and seeing new ways of doing things.  Pagans don’t feel we are withering sheep that are totally at God’s mercy.   We believe that we are PART of GOD so to speak!  
    Also, pagans are much more adaptive to the new family/sexuality, etc that’s bound to progress.  Face, we are not gonna be black/white man/woman always.  One day we will be POSTHUMAN.   We can’t keep getting married and having kids if we begin to rise toward immortality (ish) 

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Good you don't believe in Satan, he is a creation of the Roman church.

 

No, it's a creation of the Jews. And they have made it real.

 

Satan is just a word for the spirits of the Nephilim who were the original inhabitants of Canaan and the Garden of Eden who became corrupted and lost sight of the God who was present with them in their mind and spirit. The further they went away from God and into their own sense of self the more evil they became.

 

Nephilim comes from the Hebrew word 'to fall' Naphal, and means either to be 'fallen ones' and 'to cause others to fall' which is a task they seem devoted to.

 

These are the spirits our leaders and Elites are taught how to hear in their high level occult initiations which teach them how to be schizophrenic and hear their voices whispering to them an endless estrangement from God and promises of mastery of the secrets of the material world.

 

This is how modern science began. The earliest of all modern scientists, the alchemist Zosimos of Panopolis of 4th century Egypt says:

 

 

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The ancient and divine writings say that the angels became enamoured of women; and, descending, taught them all the works of nature. From them, therefore, is the first tradition, chema, concerning these arts; for they called this book chema and hence the science of chemistry takes its name.

 

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@SocialDarwin, you think that by trampling over Christianity everything will be fine, but that’s what has been happening for 2000 years, and everything isn’t fine.  

 

You equate Christianity to the modern concept of Zionism.  They are not the same.  They couldn’t be more diametrically opposed.  How presumptuous to think you know better, and encourage others to fight against something you know nothing about.  Just destroy it. 

 

You’d be surprised how many grown people do not know about the beast, the false prophet, and their relationship to the dragon. The deception is just that good.

 

You will waste your life away or do damage because it’s so much more appealing to believe the false prophet or in nothing, anything that makes you feel powerful or self-righteous, including paganism.  

 

Nothing challenges you to look inward and correct your own errors, and the consequences are disastrous.  On a grand scale there are nations of people not looking inward, not challenging themselves, and there is widespread destruction. 

 

People are going to tell you that you are a hero and that you’re so awake if you just take some ayahuasca or believe their brand of mysticism, but that too is a lie.  That too is a big waste if you cannot see yourself, examine your own thoughts, motivations, and actions, and change what is wrong in yourself first.  

 

You will be astonished at how far your image of yourself is from who you really are.  The things you thought were important before will fade to nothing.

 

Then you can right the wrongs in your own life, then turn to the suffering and help them.  

 

Truthspoon, moonlight, and pi are not taking to you because they want to feel right, but because they care, they’ve been there, and they know better.  

 

You are mortal.  You will get old and you will die, either way, whether you are a rad little magician, a little god in your own mind, or nothing.  Fix yourself first, this is an ongoing process.  And attend to others who are suffering darkness.  That is seeking the kingdom of God.  That is what you can do in this life, that is what Jesus taught.

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Michi

 

wow whata rant.  My goal is to destroy Abrahamic religion.  BUT, I do have an idea of what to replace it with.  Atheists have the same goal as I, but they have no guide whatsoever to put in place of religion.  The new spirituality (which will be kin to paganism) will acknowledge human kind (and posthuman kind) as PART OF GOD.  It’s up to us to develop a better place for ourselves HERE!  
    I grew up in a Christian house hold.  Let me tell you what I hated about it before I even became pagan:   I hated how it made sex so fucking Taboo.  I hated the bigotry about guys.  I hated how they didn’t speak of or teach me anything whatsoever about my sexuality (i am hetero man).  They made me feel nasty for being horny..  

    also: they had no explanation for things I observed from a elementary child -  why if there was only Adam and Eve are there so many races?  
 

So,  don’t tell me I don’t know Christianity!   I turned against that knuckle dragger shit by time I was 12

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