The Punk movement

[Pawson13]

I was reading an article about the infamous Grundy Show appearance by the Sex Pistols back in 1976.

They had their chance on the show because the rock band Queen cancelled.

After that embarrassment the whole punk thing took off.

Suddenly people were fearing violence and Punks were wanting to overthrow the Royal family and tge UK with anarchy.

Was it the people in the shadows trying to cause civil unrest on purpose?

Since then I've often wondered if it was all a big sham, especially when John Lydon admitted that he knew at the BBC what Savile and others were doing at the time but failed to speak out for fear of being expelled from the corporation.

He gave the impression at the time that he and others would probably rip JS  head off, if proven true.

[Macnamara]

One of the defining characteristics of it was the estrangement from the older generation

 

It was about the youth rebelling against their parents and that sort of situation where a wedge is being driven between sections of society suits the cabal that wants to fracture society

 

The role of the CIA in pushing the counter culture in the 1960's and the LSD that drove much of it is now well understood and the purpose of it all was to breakdown the social mores of the day and to create a blank slate onto which a new society could be created

 

Punk played the same role in a way. I'm not saying we shouldn't question the status quo i'm just saying that we don't want to jump out of the frying pan into the fire and the problem with big shifts is that they can be co-opted and steered

 

So before people go and tell the older generation to 'bog off' they should stop and check that they are not being led by the nose by dark forces that have their own plans for society

[Teardropexplodes]

An obscure but controversial band is given a prime slot on TV. The presenter practically begs them to swear and be outrageous.

Come on!!

McLaren created the situation. He was jewish and raised by his gran who taught him the sabbatean frankist motto "To be bad is good because to be good is simply boring".

it does all seem to be part of the attack against the European family started by the Frankfurt school and the American Jewish Committee's "Authoritarian Personality " report which decided our traditional family was the root of all "fascism " and needed to be subverted via culture

[Truthspoon]

https://www.truthspoon.com/p/bendy-roads-to-gentile-apocalypse-story.html

 

 

Bendy Roads to the Apocalypse: The Story of Punk.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

70AD: The Year Punk Rock and the Pop Apocalypse was born! 

 

It was the year 3830 by Eleazar Ben Simon's reckoning. The cooling bodies, filling every street, sometimes piled as many as four of five high, were so numerous that the dying did not even
have their own place to fall. There had been a million people crammed into the city, from every nation and empire of the known world. All come to Holy Jerusalem to celebrate the Passover. But none had been spared, even now the killing continued and there was nothing to celebrate except their own looming extinction.

The Romans had entered the city three days ago, their arms surely wearied from chopping down defenceless pilgrims: old men, the women and children. All around was the sound of sudden screams which reached his ears and now the Romans hacked with a lack of discrimination so as to almost appear disinterested.

To Eleazar Ben Simon it was like the Romans were massacring his people with the gusto of an office clerk. Lazily but with implacable determination.

This has been going on for three days now and peace would come only for lack of more victims.

There were sobs of the fallen and those whimpering and forlorn whom the Romans could not even be bothered to kill, these sounds were accompanied by the gasps of pain of the dying and their final passing gave rise to peace.

The amount of blood could not be believed. As Eleazar, former leader of the Zealots hid himself inside his attic hide-out, surveying with a supreme sense of affront, the carnage the Romans were now wreaking on his city and his people.

At that point, he started to plan. He saw now that it was impossible to ever beat the Westerners in open war. There would have to be another way but it would be a long term project. They had nearly killed his people and possibly they intended to wipe them out altogether, but as long as a remnant could be found, they would work his plan. A plan which would probably bear no fruit even in his lifetime or that of his children, but one day the Westerners would be brought low and his people would reign supreme on the ashes of their civilisation.

But they would not hack the bodies, nor rape the women and burn the holy places. These were not fit tasks for God’s chosen people. They would find others to do these things for them. They would recruit from the Westerners themselves the agents of their own downfall. It all became very clear in Eleazar’s mind, even in the midst of their utmost destruction and greatest loss, he knew that destiny had singled him out to conceive this plan which would stretch far far into the future, far beyond even the Roman’s sight, and would leave his people conquerors of the whole world.

He laughed and slowly muttered to himself over and over, ‘give ‘em enough rope,’ until it became a low chant which seemed to take flight on a sudden breeze above the smoldering, burnt out city. Their revenge would be terrible, more terrible if it were possible than the sight of the butchered men and women blood-staining the streets of the holiest city on Earth. 'Give 'em enough rope!'

 

 

 

He shuddered at the thought of their total subjugation which though remote in time, was already an absolute certainty for him because he knew God would not stand this affront. As he reasoned he concluded that this had all transpired for this very reason, in order to make them the eventual masters over the Earth. The fall of Jerusalem was the first necessary sacrifice. There would no doubt be many more before they achieved their goal.

 

Joe Stummer loves red-terror so much he got the T Shirt. The BR were credited with 14,000 acts of violence in the first ten years of the group's existence.[28] According to statistics by the Ministry of Interior. A total of 75 people are thought to have been murdered by the BR. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Brigades

Nearly two thousand years later the plan formulated by Eleazer Ben Simon while hiding from the Roman holocaust of Jerusalem, had ravished Europe and utterly subjugated the Westerners on all fronts. It had been passed along in time and space with a dedication and devotion which saw the rise and fall of Empires, and remained unchanged and unwavering. First in the ruins of Judea in hiding from the Roman legions, then to Athens or Marseilles, to Moscow, to Portugal then finally to England. The final battle ground in the culture wars where only one side was fighting and the other didn’t even know it was being defeated.
 

 

 

 

 

To an impressionable young child, the strange solemn men and a grandmother who appeared suddenly unfamiliar and frightening, was a deeply transformative experience. A knife at the young boy’s throat, an oath sworn to the Sicarii to fight the Westerners with every ounce of blood in their body or have their throat cut like an animal: better dead if you can’t serve the Sicarii like a man. Then the sudden passage from terror to joy as a new Sicarii fighter is born.



 

 

Then the surprise of a great banquet with sufganiyot usually reserved for Hanukah and even his own glass of wine which was even topped up. He went to bed that night full of jelly doughnuts and thick kosher wine, and what was more he was now a man and he had been entrusted a solemn mission, one which he could not fail in, his people depended on him. He would not fail them and they would support him as one man, a nation spread out throughout the world, millions of men all devoted, like him to this one mission and all wiling at a moment’s notice, to give any help he required. How could they lose? They didn’t, they wouldn’t, they don’t. They went from victory to victory and the dazzling beauty of it all was that no one suspected a thing.

 

 

 

 

In a clothes shop in London’s King's Road a man who resembled a straggly ginger tom cat only lacking the fastidious grooming habits of that species, was singing a snarling and tuneless song to the accompaniment of a duke-box. Another man of Scottish extraction was shouting instructions and encouraging him with gestures.

 

 

 

 

He had been brought into the shop by Bendie Rhodes, who had immediately spotted a man who he could use as an unsuspecting tool in his people's undeclared war. He had spotted an angle he could work, he could use the family clothing business as a way to push forward new and degenerate fashions and use music so the two prongs act in symbiosis to create a new and horribly degraded counter culture.
 

 

 

 

It had been observed that despite the attempts of their agents in the 60’s to destabilise British society using pop-music, they had found that instead it had led to a flowering of British culture and an intellectual growth in young people who were being introduced suddenly to various metaphysical, psychological and social concepts contained within the lyrics to 60’s pop music and had managed to assimilate these very well. 

Things were even worse now in the 70’s with bands like Pink Floyd who were making cogent and highly articulate protests about the ruling elite and were likewise encouraging young people to have the same intelligent and cogent approach. It was a disaster!

Pink Floyd had to be stopped and he had found the very man to help undermine their intellectual and articulate approach. Johnny Rotten: the human antidote to Pink Floyd.

Bendie Rhodes was pleased with his creation. The snarling spitting vomiting Sex Pistols, but felt that pop music was rather like politics. If you wanted complete control you had to have your hand up all the backsides otherwise you were just a weird bloke with a puppet on his arm. He had been tipped off that the band the 101'ers had a lead singer who was also a secret member of the Sicarii and what was more, his father was an eminence-gris of the British secret service and it was custom to reward the offspring of those who served their country with some kind of cushy number in the arts.


 

Malcolm McLaren and Dame Vivienne Westwood DBE RDI. Pro-rape and paedo T shirt apparently created by Bernie Rhodes.

 

 

The invention of pop music allowed the British government to branch out and provide more career opportunities to both reward and keep a person holding a sensitive position’s offspring in the public eye, since if all an agent had to do to monitor a former agent's family member's activity was to turn on the television then so much the better. 

The Americans had been doing something very similar with senior military staff and most of the most famous music stars of the 1960’s were promoted solely on the basis of their father’s military service record. Dee Dee Ramone, Jim Morrison, Jimi Hendrix, Frank Zappa, Kris Kristofersen, Michael Stipe, all benefited from the US military’s generous cultural investment programme.

 

 

 

 

 

 

John Mellors was exactly the puppet Bendie needed to complete his pop pantomime and cultural assault on the Westerners. 

Already the man was in disguise, a member of the British elite but behind enemy lines with the common punk rabble affecting a mock cockney accent and pretending to be hard up and calling himself Joe Stummer. Above all he was instructed by Bendie to always pretend to be working class and affect a working class accent.

Additionally, despite being able to sing quite well he was told above all, to sing badly. To affect an out of tune raspy voice which above all, was to sound bad.

If Bendie could convince young people to enjoy bad music with a very feeble and barely constructed intellectual message then he would be able to make them emulate this and therefore weaken the intellectual development of an entire nation, thus protecting the elite of which he was a part, from any well orchestrated and unmatchable intellectual attack. Much better to have any citizens who oppose you dressed in rags, drunk and shouting curses because they are so much easier to arrest and so much easier for the general public to disdain.
   

A Total Waste of Everybody's Time.

Joe Strummer had the misfortune to inaugurate the annual Christmas-time cull of pop stars, the first of what would soon become an annual tradition as pop stars who had outlived their
usefulness or had been ignoring the memos from the Sicarii pop-star management team. He became a victim of the great dead rock star Christmas lottery which has seen such legends as James Brown, David Bowie, George Michael, all fail to have their contracts renewed for the following infernal year.

 

Punk Pop One Eyed Illuminati Dajjal Apocalypse Time!

Reality dawned on Johnny Rotten in 1979 in San Francisco, as he looked out at the audience and saw for the first time what he had helped create and he took the mike, vowing to end this artificial pantomime and hanging up his puppet strings for good when he said the words, ‘ever get the feeling you’ve been cheated?’
 

Johnny Rotten: Plastic punk pop product.

The previous article was particularly difficult for me to write and research because I love the Sex Pistols and The Clash.....Fucking hate Malcolm Mclaren though.

 

 

Not you as well.....
 

[Diesel]

On 4/23/2021 at 9:47 PM, Pawson13 said:

especially when John Lydon admitted that he knew at the BBC what Savile and others were doing at the time but failed to speak out for fear of being expelled from the corporation.

I think you have that wrong John Lydon did speak out and was banned by the BBC

 

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/sep/24/john-lydon-says-he-was-banned-from-bbc-over-jimmy-savile-comments

[Diesel]

Music is about change there were three modern era's of revolution

 

60's Hippy Movement 

70's Punk Movement

80's Rave Movement

 

In Black Culture also three modern eras of revolution

60's Soul R&B

70's Reggae

90's Hip Hop

 

 

Edited October 17, 2021 by Diesel

[Diesel]

Before we call Punk a sellout perhaps listen to the songs lyrics

 

 

 

"Break your back to earn our pay
Don't forget to grovel"

 

"A lifetime serving one machine
Is ten times worse than prison"

[Diesel]

The sun beams down on a brand new day
No more welfare tax to pay
Unsightly slums gone up in flashing light
Jobless millions whisked away
At last we have more room to play
All systems go to kill the poor tonight

 

 

 

[Diesel]

God save the queen
The fascist regime
They made you a moron
A potential H bomb

 

 

 

[Ethel]

It was an elaborately constructed and planned movement purporting to be counter culture. It was contrived. A large part of it was masterminded by Malcolm Mclaren and his then partner, Vivienne Westwood, who was responsible for designing much of the Sex Pistols early aesthetic. 

 

Vivienne Westwood is now DAME Vivienne Westwood.

 

From that one band, a hundred other bands spawned. Literally. The Sex Pistols Manchester Lesser Free Trade Hall gig was attended by only a small number of individuals, but everyone there went on to form their own bands. Morrissey was there, a few members of what would become Joy Division, Buzzcocks, Magazine, you get the general idea.

 

As a concept, the Sex Pistols were great, but there was no substance. There was nothing behind the rhetoric, they were just a showpiece, designed to give the youth something to distract themselves with. 

 

If you want something genuinely challenging, you could do no better than to listen to John Lydon's second band, Public Image Limited. Now that is a great band. 

 

As for punk music itself, my personal preference is a handful of Clash and Ramones songs, a plentiful supply of Buzzcocks, Magazine with some Slits and X Ray Spex for good measure.

 

The best quality punk bands and music died out, as people often say, after the first 18 months or so.

 

I rarely listen to the Pistols any more. I heard 'God Save The Queen' played the other day on some shitty, mainstream advert. Changed days.

Edited October 20, 2021 by Ethel
typo

[Anti Facts Sir]

I'm not a great fan of Punk (being too young to have really understood or appreciated it) but I have always had a lot of time for John Lydon. Be it PiL, solo, or his writing.

[Pawson13]

Steve Jones hosts his own radio show in the US.

Most guests on his show have been mentioned before as being part of 'them'.

[KingKitty]

Punk Rock, as it has come to be known, actually originated in the United States. New York, to be precise. Though many little clubs around town had sown the seeds, it was mainly at CBGB's with bands such as The Ramones, Talking Heads, Television and Blondie (just to name a few). It wasn't called "punk" by any of it's unintentional originators, it was just rock 'n roll. It was a rebellion, of sorts, against "arena rock" bands, long guitar solos, huge stage productions, etc. It was an attempt to go back to rock's roots. The label "punk" came from a "rock journalist" at the time (who I think of as a dick, so I won't credit his name here), not from any of the bands.

 

I've always found it both frustrating and amusing when folks refer to punk rock and immediately associate it with the UK. The look we have come to associate with punk rock was created in the UK; spiked hair, safety pins in the face, et al. Though it was just a marketing concept derived by Malcolm Mclaren, to help sell of his second clothing items in his clothing shop (as has been previously pointed out in this thread). The Sex Pistols were as real as The Monkees, just a prefabricated band designed to cash in on a brief musical trend. Ironically enough, Johnny Rotten auditioned for The Sex Pistols by lip syncing to The Monkees' song, "Stepping Stone", as it played on the jukebox in a local shop. Punk, as it has become known, was actually a brief period in musical history. It would soon morph into "New Wave". New Wave was nothing more than Pop Rock. The establishment need things to be categorized, they like things to have labels. It's much easy to market things this way. I've no complaints with New Wave, as several great bands came out of that genre.

 

A few generations later, bands such as Sum 41, Green Day, Blink 182 would label themselves as Punk. I always found that to be quite amusing. The last things a real punk would do would be to call themselves a Punk, for one. Plus, many of these modern "punks" had no genuine working class backgrounds, such as the blokes in Blink 182. They were all raised in a well-to-do suburban community, their parents bought them all their music gear, their parents supported their musical aspirations by allowing them to practice their God awful claptrap at home. Hardly the makings of a "punk". At least, in this respect, The Sex Pistols had more credibility as "punks".

 

Here in the Covid Generation, the reality of these modern day "punks" has come to light, as we've seen so many of them coming out in support of mandated "vaccines", social distancing, face masks and segregating audiences based on their "vaccine" status. To several generations of folks who've grown up with these modern "punks", it would seem the idea of punk rock is nothing more than dressing in a particular manor and being a mediocre musician blasting out bar chords/power chords. In other words, just putting on an act. The original intent from those who unintentionally help create Punk Rock; no BS, basic, straightforward rock'n roll seems to have been lost. Most of what passes as Rock in today's world isn't even Blues based. I see bands such as U2 as being huge contributors to the derailing of Rock's Blues base. Popular music's departure from it's Blues based roots can be felt in just about all forms of popular music, in our current musical landscape. The black community's music is no different. With Rap dominating their airwaves within most of the black community,very little genuine soul can be found anymore.

 

Punk Rock was/is nothing more than a marketing tool, the great rock 'n roll swindle. As a musician/songwriter myself, I would avoid such a label like the plague. Rock 'n roll  is good enough for me. Originally, rock 'n roll music IS punk in it's attitude and presentation. It's music that breaks the rules and defies authority. Just have a look at old Jerry Lee Lewis performances. Now he was the original Punk Rocker. Little Richard, Chuck Berry and even Elvis Presley were far more Punk (early in their careers) than any of these current crop of "punks".  Hell, go back even further and watch the great Howlin' Wolf in various stage performances. Sadly, there is very little in the mainstream music landscape that is genuine and real, least of all Punk.

 

Well, kids, that's jut my two cents on the topic. Thanks for allowing me to vent a bit. Now...get of my lawn, ya damned kids!

[Ethel]

21 hours ago, KingKitty said:

Here in the Covid Generation, the reality of these modern day "punks" has come to light, as we've seen so many of them coming out in support of mandated "vaccines", social distancing, face masks and segregating audiences based on their "vaccine" status. To several generations of folks who've grown up with these modern "punks", it would seem the idea of punk rock is nothing more than dressing in a particular manor and being a mediocre musician blasting out bar chords/power chords. In other words, just putting on an act. 

 

 

This ^^

There's this guy I see sometimes in my hometown. He wears clothes which he has customized with patches and the names of 'punk' bands scrawled on his clothing. Along with plenty of "a for anarchy" signs.

 

He also wears a face mask.

 

These people don't know what they are doing. They think they know something they don't. They have no clue what real anarchy is and would not support it even if they did. What they are is unconsciously tribal. Once someone has identified as the member of a tribe, they then (mostly unconsciously) suppress aspects of their self which don't align with the prevalent values of that group. Tribes also don't understand the bigger picture, because their philosophy basically promotes industrial scale narcissism, i.e. "We, us, ours" instead of "I, me, mine". This is not what the world actually needs.

 

Punks, and I know this for a fact because I have known and spent time with them, are completely fake. Most of these identikit tribes are. They know nothing about anarchy as an ideology, understand nothing of the true political system, how the world actually works, or how to discern anything remotely resembling truth. In actuality, they are every bit as fatuous as the normies they purport to be superior to. Ask the average 'punk' what their understand of anarchy, the powers that be, or the new world order is, and watch the look in their eyes. It will be, dare I say it "Pretty Vacant".