Solutions, well this is not one of them

[Glimpse_Of_Truth]

So, was relieved to find this place but within 1 week I am shocked.

There are some decent people on here but, from what they put into words, and have the nerve to post, 90% of the rest have gotten there minds in a right knot!

This is bloody dismal. Reminds me of FB, loads of chavs with some illusionary opinion created by their overactive minds. Maybe some of you were awake at one point but now this place is full of people stuck in Wonderland. A psychosis, their minds have a grasp on them. Or do you really think you are your minds? You think your 'person', body, mind & beliefs about yourself are real. Hanging on for dear life and making a mess of your sorry existance. Fuck this, I'm off to find some human beings.

Sorry to the few good souls here. You'll know who you are. You've a good chance of making it. The rest, GOOD LUCK, you'll need it!

 

[screamingeagle]

2 hours ago, Glimpse_Of_Truth said:

Reminds me of FB,

imo it should remind you of "people"

 

2 hours ago, Glimpse_Of_Truth said:

. Or do you really think you are your minds?

trick your mind or your mind will trick you

 

2 hours ago, Glimpse_Of_Truth said:

Fuck this, I'm off to find some human beings.

may i ask to share your discovery (for the few good souls )

[Juli]

Why are you angry? 

[novymir]

10 hours ago, Glimpse_Of_Truth said:

So, was relieved to find this place but within 1 week I am shocked.

There are some decent people on here but, from what they put into words, and have the nerve to post, 90% of the rest have gotten there minds in a right knot!

This is bloody dismal. Reminds me of FB, loads of chavs with some illusionary opinion created by their overactive minds. Maybe some of you were awake at one point but now this place is full of people stuck in Wonderland. A psychosis, their minds have a grasp on them. Or do you really think you are your minds? You think your 'person', body, mind & beliefs about yourself are real. Hanging on for dear life and making a mess of your sorry existance. Fuck this, I'm off to find some human beings.

Sorry to the few good souls here. You'll know who you are. You've a good chance of making it. The rest, GOOD LUCK, you'll need it!

 

Ego-agents abounding. Many peddling dead-end ideas. Some are just nuts(unconscious), others are(nuts) consciously attempting to distract, detour, or steer others into rabbit holes without end.

What they really seem to be missing?  We are ALL NUTS TO SOME DEGREE,,WE WOULDN'T BE IN THIS WORLD IF WE WEREN'T. Denial does nothing but close the door to restoration of sanity(a spiritual process) by The Source of Sanity--what some people call GOD(The Real One, not some fake matrix construct).

 

The ego is the source of insanity. And everything else not of The Truth--- this fake meat-grinder world passing itself off as "reality" and "Divine Creation"(well, it is that to satanists...the people don't realize what they've been assimilated by,,, and it is attempting to possess everyone,,, basically they've been put under a satanic spell by the ego to generate an antiChrist "world"). And the ego tries to take credit or copy expressions of The Divine/Loveliness here(but not of this "world").

But they're scared of seeing that...when it ain't really that big of a deal,,, it's the internal where attention and work is required... individually...it's ALL in the mind,,, and this thing is but a tiny, tiny speck within the Greater consciousness, it's a farce blown up as something it is not by ego. All it really takes is who/what are we in allegiance to, what counsel are we accepting internally? Faith is trust in spite of seeming "evidence" to the contrary. The reward is great, to she/he that overcomes. Nothing of real value is ever lost, damaged or destroyed.

 

But, whatever,,, all will remember and accept The Truth eventually, not if, but when. I just pray The Truth dawns on anyone and everyone when their body expires, and they remember True Will.

 

 

Edited April 14, 2021 by novymir

[TetraG]

TO ALL... whomever cares to read... 

 

I guess these forums are not exactly refuge to anyone but the most dogged + persistent of members, who seem to treat the experience of asking questions or handing out advice, a bit like a game of "vice" (where veracity of facts comes hard won but seems a lot like a battle often-- only it should not drive us HERE into being apathetic or such as that...  Anyway its not only facts we should be concerned about I mean (as important as that is, its our behaviour to each other too......  Yet when that is not the case and not enough effort to make room for improvement (by anyone) is made, then so it would seem sometimes nothing but the 'vice-like action in words' is what we get instead in these forums as a whole such is the impression I get by some despite what appears good general knowledge or intellect of certain users contributing as best they can....SO WHY don't we use that a bit more wisely and try to be more friendly,  especially to I CAN PRESUME INNOCENT new members who show no obvious sign of trouble or shadowy behaviour!  

 

I have little problem with intellect --or too-- fighting the good fight and all...  but I do (definitely have problem) with unnecessary or excess negativity as found all over these DI forums, like an over- articulated vein suffering thrombosis in some instances...  and where, if anyone should wonder what maybe the equivalent in me myself its my sensitiviity sometimes of my nervous system to put it one way, which we all have to help us on our path of sometimes unpredictable life (for empaths, I'd say we are so in ANY environment) and not having a thick enough skin as the downside.. C'est la vie I'll manage...

 

But this is okay to a degree if nature made us this way...

 

Soooo generalizing IN ANY OF US, we each to ourselves may have good self awerness, making us knowable to ourselves but how well are we received by how we articulate & express??

 

Well, are as we are to some extent as projected day to day, through each his or her own words on various topics by various people...

 

However, STUFFFF when feeling overwhelming of course becomes slippery, and confusing such as conspiracies are the rough bark texture of exchanges  at other times is clearly  when civility goes out the window.... Leaving precarious sitiations - sometimes rival-ish within our own 'coven' (err broad circle better said)... where individual expressions have gone OTT or individual styles in which to make our impact just leaves AN UNEMPATHETIC  DENT rather than good feeling of doing something good... To feel like stone upon stone rather than the more (broad or tailored) beneficial impact we might have each and as a group might have hoped for,  can leave everybody at a loss...

 

This is why WE ALL NEED POSITIVE INSPIRATION for those capable of expressing inspiration rather than turning everthing into something resembling battle of the titans at every throw of rhe dice..

 

Anyway~ in the average context of people doing as they do, that being the person embodiment of self with communicating ability or spirit evolvement that we all possess by nurture or self destiny.. Well each day is a destiny of sorts if we make it so, positive or negative. 

 

Really much simply though just  by being human and doing as we would be done by in the interests of community health ~ so whoever ANYONE languishes to be (hehejust kidding), BETTER}} *aspires to be* as of now the world currently or in what the world has influenced you to be over time, me likewise for good or for bad~ events can+do  take their toll~ if too many experiences had are bad...  BUT ULTIMATELY "WHO" WE ARE CAN ALWAYS CHANGE BY OUR OWN HAND, and with positive influence made by our next of kin comrades...

 

^^This is the result using this basic knowledge & self awreness, I would like to see more of alongside individual self mercy (for anyone), to look at making better of ourselves.. Coz if as we are now we don't mean to portray as gits or cold hearted or similar which sure enough I don't, then why stay as that when you all don't have to be...

 

All I'm saying is in my short lived but well browsed look around I just hand on heart wish we could see more positive expressions and solutions to our out- pourings of this or that. 

 

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Anyway, hope OP,  you're okay.. And being true to yourself, is not a bad thing! Even when expressed a bit angrily which is understandable, given how  you may feel now like you have one less sort of refuge currently! :/

Plus anyhow, later, if not now~ I hope the general vibration of this place turns around for the better to tempt you to return at some point... :)           Maybe a  big ask, but you know phases of the moon and tides of the sea, may see new light.... You never quite know.  :) 

 

 

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Not stirring in among those that ARE TRUE or that DO MAKE REASONABLE EFFORT WITH WHATEVER YOUR THING, but as friendly advice to the general populus here~ BEING TRUE TO SELF is something else any folk,   reading this could use more of perhaps? ...A bit? A lot more of in some cases, JUST A COMMON SENSE SUGGESTION~ replacing some of the  

-resentment default- all too often seen here by a core few.

I might admire tenacity sometimes, but problem is can become insidious  behaviour if left in top unrelenting gear of war footing or what have you, and by that frame of mind devours the innocent along with the reviled... So, vibration levels in empathetic energy gets dropped because a person may channel ALL into that. So much so enpathetic standpoints even get completed stomped out consciously or not.  

 

Maybe some people have experienced tragedies within their own family or loved ones, but short of that,  i see little excuse for gratuitous resentment across the board. Unless its just a 'rebel assessory' must have? (Guess you could say I am open minded, about reasoning for negativity but not indefinitely) .   

                                          May include us all trying to being a bit more civil too on all our parts~ would not be lost I would think!! ~ and doesn't, mean we all have to agree every which way.

 

Anyway going back to OP to end... 

The OP is fairly straight talking in my estimation, but might be seen as short shrift to some. I sy this only due to shock of the welling up of negativity as I have been attempting to broadly doctor in this post.

 

 

Also, 

No offence now, but 

G_o_T has used the phrase "bloody dismal"... If y'all can't sympathize with that, you have no soul.  

 

 

~~~IN SUMMARY~~~

Yeah yeah... I do, I do get it, the structure of the world hierarchy is not a pretty face, and may bring  out our bad sides sometimes, but it shouldn't be a permanent reflection of who we each are at heart long term.

 

In other words it doesn't mean WE ALL have to be ugly too because of a deeply flawed world. Even a tyrannical one!!  

Edited April 14, 2021 by Acanthocereus tetragonus

[novymir]

"Positive" and "negative" are relative matrix concepts(distortions). The Truth Reigns Supreme. Before, beyond, and after.

And It's the only way to Freedom and The Real.

 

The "narrow path" goes up between(the neutral zone) the 2 poles towards Infinity.. The cross represents this. Right and left are dead ends(right-wrong, good-bad=illusion nonsense).

 

ps;

is "disillusionment" "good"? Is it "fun"? What is "disillusionment"?

 

dis•il•lu•sion•ment

►

• n.
  The process of disillusioning; the state of being disillusioned.
• n.
  The act of freeing from an illusion, or the state of being freed therefrom.
• n.
  A feeling of disappointment, akin to depression, arising from the realization that something is not what it was expected or believed to be, possibly accompanied by philosophical angst from having one's beliefs challenged.

More at Wordnik from The Century Dictionary.

Edited April 14, 2021 by novymir
typo

[Michi713]

 

On 4/14/2021 at 2:12 AM, Glimpse_Of_Truth said:

loads of chavs

What’s a chav?  Is that like trailer trash?  Googled it and it said they wear track suits.  
 

[TetraG]

Yeah, a bit like "trailer trash" as used in america isn't it!? 

 

Chavs in UK are commoners of  a scuzzy sort of social under-class basicly which all in all means they are wrecklessly behaved,  drink,  smoke,  take drugs,  and have no regard for anyone. Reactive behaviour, aggressive, loitering, cheap talk, crass attitude etc. 

 

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But the OP was just angry, not everyone should take that bit personally, if at all that comment. (Chav is a UK term).

 

But I also understand the reasons the OP became angry which had more to do with lack of civility more broadly from certain members.

This place can be "no bars held" afterall which can come across as negative or abrasive or unrelenting, unfeeling...  (lacking compassion, empathy and positivity by some)  

Edited April 17, 2021 by Acanthocereus tetragonus

[Guest]

On 4/14/2021 at 1:12 AM, Glimpse_Of_Truth said:

So, was relieved to find this place but within 1 week I am shocked.

There are some decent people on here but, from what they put into words, and have the nerve to post, 90% of the rest have gotten there minds in a right knot!

This is bloody dismal. Reminds me of FB, loads of chavs with some illusionary opinion created by their overactive minds. Maybe some of you were awake at one point but now this place is full of people stuck in Wonderland. A psychosis, their minds have a grasp on them. Or do you really think you are your minds? You think your 'person', body, mind & beliefs about yourself are real. Hanging on for dear life and making a mess of your sorry existance. Fuck this, I'm off to find some human beings.

Sorry to the few good souls here. You'll know who you are. You've a good chance of making it. The rest, GOOD LUCK, you'll need it!

 

 

Agree.

 

Too much confusion here, most of it deliberately planted through trolls, govt monitors?, their task being to keep the attention focused on trivialities so one never gets a chance to see the whole picture, just parts of it. Hence the memes, silly jokes, really really trivial concerns...

 

Sadly, this seems to be one forum that could have been better 'managed' if not by the namesake, then by the mods at least, because it does remain a popular place where one is sure to land sooner or later as one starts to 'awaken' to the scam...but all that person will see is a mish mash of confused discussion with barely any coherence..

so yea.. it is going downhill..

[Macnamara]

On 5/21/2021 at 8:55 PM, K21 said:

Agree.

 

Too much confusion here, most of it deliberately planted through trolls, govt monitors?, their task being to keep the attention focused on trivialities so one never gets a chance to see the whole picture, just parts of it. Hence the memes, silly jokes, really really trivial concerns...

 

Sadly, this seems to be one forum that could have been better 'managed' if not by the namesake, then by the mods at least, because it does remain a popular place where one is sure to land sooner or later as one starts to 'awaken' to the scam...but all that person will see is a mish mash of confused discussion with barely any coherence..

so yea.. it is going downhill..

 

And how are the mods to manage bad actors who pop up again and again under different usernames to push the same old agendas?

 

This forum is one of the few places on the internet i have found where i have been able to speak without being banned or seeing my posts being deleted, thrown in hidden purgatory sections of the forum or the forum dissapearing altogether, being made private or shut down to new posting

 

Considering this forum will be one of their obvious targets i think the staff have done a pretty good job of keeping the forum open for discussion

 

The only way to manage bad actors who seek to bury good information with junk is simply to challenge the points they make in debate but it is an endless process

Edited May 25, 2021 by Macnamara

[Grumpy Owl]

To respond to some of the comments left in this topic, I'd just like to say the following.

 

I've been involved with many internet forums (under various guises) over the years, either as a regular member, moderator or admin, and still do to this day.

 

Yes, it is true that many forums, including this one, do attract all manner of 'bad actors', people with ulterior motives etc, many of which are documented in the following topic:

 

Any topic of discussion requires some good, healthy debate. Some members here have their own opinions, you might have your own.

 

Some members might not like having their own beliefs challenged if they differ from your own, thats fine and healthy. As long as the debate sticks to opinions and beliefs (good solid facts do come in handy too!) then thats fine, its when the discussion turns to insults and abuse, thats when it becomes a problem.

 

It is a thankless task being a moderator. While we encourage and support freedom of speech, and do not believe in unneccesary censorship, there are rules and guidelines that we ask all members to follow.

 

There are a huge number of topics and posts in this forum, and the moderator staff are unable to read and check every single one of them.

 

This is where we ask the 'community' to step in and help. If anyone sees any post(s) or activity that is unacceptable or falls foul of the forum rules, then all we ask is for that post or member to be 'reported', which will bring it to the attention of the mods/admins, and then action can be taken if required.

 

Finally, don't feed the trolls! We know how to spot such activity, and such trolls will be dealt with.

 

Genuine new members who want to join in and engage with discussions here are always welcome, but those who join with 'bad intentions' will soon be found out.

[TetraG]

In addition to what you say G-Owl, any memes and jokes as K21 was focusing on by things being "spill offs" or unwanted distractions (trolls too), well, what to say to that, is made easier and more doable when tackling or simply absorbing such **dubious spills* (those by design) or else otherly  "thrills & spills" in a good natured non-disruptive way posing reduced or not nearly so much threat *if inside such lighter hearted parts of the forum.* 

So isn't that why we have a dedicated Memes thread for exactly that reason!?...

I mean it figures its not where serious debate is expected to take hold in a SPECIFIED PLACE FOR FUN and so who minds if fun has its own place.

 

ELSEWHERE however.. Other places where like jokes or overly trivial or petty behaviour may emerge is not so easy to contend....

Unless that something is perceived harmless b/c perhaps posted in small quantities, but a good system is to think simply it maybe treated good, bad or neutral (*) or pass-off-able....Exception(*) which could apply when gaging about is something neutral or not, we could ask is it overly passive aggressiveness I suppose. I am not a fan of PA going too far generally, but hey ho. 

 

 

And where not malevolent, sure enough I'd say if a thing looks genuine fun, maybe let it be... Its looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, 80%+ benign and fairly innocent....

 

That^.... Should be fairly easily distinguished from those going further using *more subtle assertive techniques* where I got cornered that issue with this phrase if it was felt somebody were acting cool but intending to be all kinds of havoc. 

 

Further to the above itinerary of identifying trouble makers thats more when its a problem potentially over the long haul as a growing nuisance or threat, I mean particularly if no-goods are here playing at being *subtle assertive disruption* types, and perhaps multiple actors at once. (not inconceivable) ...

 

Mods if they see this as a problem (& remember they are individuals too) will hopefully address that as a sort of mocking attack, or some posting designed to miscarriage or derail.

 

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Yet, lightening up again, on occasions its possible where we can all make offbeat 'gaffs' (such as minor impediment of self judgement when expressing oneself) <<that, can be made by frankly anyone, as no-one is perfect, but their post may seem at odds still by some happenstance, and yet the person just mis-expressed something (it could be)

 

.... 

Like, all I'm saying is in general its probably not the best to go too wild or too off synch in more serious areas of talk/debate.  because unless its just occasional lightening the atmosphere (ME=I have one such post where I felt like making satire oneday,  GOTTA BE HONEST IT WAS FUN AS A ONCE IN A WHILE THING~  I DELIBERATELY MADE OBVIOUS IT WAS HUMOR THOUGH,  EVEN THOUGH ROOTED BY FRUSTRATIONS  IN REALITY) 

 **and sooo could help any tensions now and again**, well I'd say modestly () thats okay for genuine relief on matters getting all too intense, but otherwise honest users & mods alike might need to be suspicious at times.

Edited May 25, 2021 by TetraG

[Michi713]

Why come on here just to whine?  That’s attention seeking behavior grow up.  
The moderators here are just fine.  They wrangle gaggles of wackadoos daily so leave them alone.  
As for members who injure one’s delicate sensibilities with vulgarities, fun, and memes use the ignore button, be the change you want, or go bye bye without leaving a stink.

[TetraG]

48 minutes ago, Michi713 said:

Why come on here just to whine?  That’s attention seeking behavior grow up.  
The moderators here are just fine.  They wrangle gaggles of wackadoos daily so leave them alone.  
As for members who injure one’s delicate sensibilities with vulgarities, fun, and memes use the ignore button, be the change you want, or go bye bye without leaving a stink.

 

You grow up. 

[Guest Gone Fishing...]

9 minutes ago, TetraG said:

 

You grow up. 

Michi is referring to the original first post in this thread, l believe..
BC  :O)

[TetraG]

Well, Michi did not seem to be having much positive to say...

 

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Anyway I would like to think anyone adding constructivity and trying to reach some level of "positive happening" like myself knows we basicly have Glimpse of Truth TO THANK Imo, for kick starting a rethink.. Despite how some are considering it to be whining with who & what began this. That may be, but at least OP hasn't caused a stink that I know of. Just spoke their mind is all. 

 

Going forward, I don't really know, but maybe too few(?)_ at present_ here have the "will"  (or time) to suggest &  promote ideas to share? ...Or people are seldom in the mood or DO have time to offer ideas for any changes but assume not enough voices resound atm, well in any case not to be defeatist but I suppose even if like minds are round and about now (viewing but not participating??!) and they too would wish upon something fresh or new to try, they/you are perhaps otherwise focusing their energy elsewhere??...

 

However, to live & let live to imagine ANY MEDIUM CHANGE on any part of the forum... the suggestions to arise if they come avail could stand a chance, but I feel sure too it wouldn't mean sacrificing everything pre-existing that ya know (for those that see no need for any new approach etc), coz newcomers for sure also need to respect what has already been estabished...

 

Sooo, all I can say for now is by my reckoning, anyone in future with new ideas, might be only able to achieve a middle ground, which wouldn't be unfair of course .. To satisfy between all members is perhaps all we can hope for in relation to things like 1) many voices of coherence (rather than of confusion &  dissonance), 2) ease of info access, 3) respectability

 

--where apt for improvement. Etc. 

 

 

(incidently:- I won't light the touch paper that is vulgarity by addressing it a great deal coz I understand people like what they like and the paper is already lit by vulgarity itself..

So each to their own..... But don't expect people like me to get burned by it. *I haven't grown up in a sainthood*.. But if I can avoid without too much trouble, somethong or other, I will. 

 

I mean we all have choices by and large using common sense and hopefully none of us are too inconvenienced by things in general, of how human nature tends to be, etc. 

 

 

However looking further to whenever time may bring  some more permanent changes there are ways such (I've said most all I'm gonna say currently, don't worry) but our general choices to avoid something are helped by our common sense and having a serious chilling out sometimes helps me...

 

(other times or when stressed by life too much stuff confronting to us or uncomfortable though isn't always entirely avoidable or sustainable to bear, certainly not all the time),

 

-so like or not, I trrrry to be real like anyone, but should calling upon truth really call for things which are just gratuitous ugly sights to the senses as comes across sometimes, like bad language, or overly intense areas of the forum which often involve bad language, so you see its difficult sometimes to have a cleanly dealt debate in such environments - - -  

 

Away from intensity in less intense areas of the forum it might be doable for anyone reasonably smart,  but at the same time,  good luck!?.... Better would be a better system of --swears and swear nots?-- tho really, TOO IDEAL??..  lol... (Anyhow its one good example for improvement IMO)

 

 

However, whatever 'tide' or herd we live by, (OR "SWEAR BY", ) like I just mentioned forthcoming there could be ways made to help overcome issues around that and around anything some people it doesn't serve so well, or by which somebody is not a fan of someone or whatever - - -  (like *excessive swearing*, yet even bad language users can be seen posting some good wisdoms and knowledge sometimes despite the collateral damage potential of bad language, so its not about intellect or holier than thou necessarily, but swearing for some people is clearly something of an anger issue (& yeah I know we've all been there) and goes off the rails into becoming OCD driven swearing or something, or maybe too  possibly a coping mechanism~

Just saying for clarity on how it is - or however a person ticks or makes different as by and large people have a rite to exercise, so I am not trying to get personal with anyone, just exploring ideas and looking rationally at things!!). 

 

 

 

Well, I rest my case anyways for now since I have had my say.. 

Meanwhile, note again anyone taking interest in some ideas of mine are these comprising atm of 4 main issues and are just my own fairly simple contributions of ideas. (the 4 underlined above) 

 

 

 

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Feel free anyone to not like for those that disagree, but I am only trying to create overall harmony since really every individual is different even if the truth we seek is much the same goal.

 

Some people don't care much about what they say or how they say but I have taken the time here to take care of common (mis)- understandings, but that are not always recognized or accepted as a problem by some. 

 

Live & let live... if at all we can... 

Edited May 26, 2021 by TetraG

[Michi713]

@TetraG

Was it at lest a little fun telling me to grow up?  

Because of your efforts here I will refrain from cussin, so you have had a positive effect on at least one member. 

Edited May 26, 2021 by Michi713

[TetraG]

Quite funny you have liked my 'reposte' post  as in quite life affirming ..

 

To answer  your question.. It were a down tempo subdued fun if anything, I was tired and ready for bed last night at the time I wrote "you grow up". So meh, not too much fun. 

 

Truth be known, being grown up or not (or anywhere inbetween) I treat as subjective in myself.  

Wholisticly that works for me.

Adults are allowed not to be adult.  Isn't that the mantra for life, lol.  

Edited May 26, 2021 by TetraG