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6 hours ago, Bee said:

 

Don't twist what I have said - its lazy and unhelpful. This has nothing to do with what I think David should have done so stop trying to derail the thread.

 

Other testimonies have been very clear from a significant amount of ex BBC employees that it was well known about Savile as far back as the 1970's and that it was actually a running joke how Savile liked young girls etc.

 

David worked at the BBC in the 1980's on national, keystone programmes that were massive in their day (I remember). So many people at the BBC knew about Savile that I find it next to impossible to believe that David was not aware of any of the rumours during his almost 10 years working for the BBC.

 

David has stated many many times that he 'outed' Savile before Savile died. I can find no evidence for this whatsoever. All I've asked is how did David 'out' Savile before his death? He didn't write about Savile in any of this books prior to Savile dying as far as I can see. When he says he 'outed' him what does he mean? Who did he 'out' Savile to? Did he go to the police for example?

 

As already stated, all I care about is the truth and David has had a great deal of mileage out of his claim that he outed Savile before Savile died. I just want to know the truth; did he know about Savile in the 1980's whilst working on major national BBC programmes or not? If he did, why didn't he speak up at the time, after all he has criticised enough other people for not doing so. If he didn't know about Savile in the near decade he spent at the BBC then when did he 'out' Savile; how did he out Savile and was it before or after Savile's death?

 

These are very basic straightforward questions surely? A man who writes a books called 'The Truth Shall Set You Free' should not fear any scrutiny surely?

 

First of all I didn't twist anything... and I have been watching DI for the whole time of his works... so far from lazy.  If you think I am unhelpful for having an opinion...then you are free to believe that...as for derailing a thread... thats a joke. My opinion is as valid as yours. It is interesting that you feel so threatened by my views...which of course I am equally entitled to.

 

It seems you want to know what David did to out Saville, but are you sure he needs to tell you...after all I`m guessing those approached could also become as culpable as you suggest David is. All presumption.... Instead of pointing fingers at David Icke...maybe you yourself  should be less lazy and dig around and try to see who would have been in Davids surroundings at that time...or maybe do a freedom of information and see if a report was made. ( I doubt they would provide it if it was).  I simply see your post as a direct attack... thats my opinion and the fact that you dont like it...is irrelevant. Accusing me of being lazy and unhelpful is somewhat funny when what you say is merely an opinion that is based on you wanting DI to talk to you personally and absolve yours `concerns`. Whereas, my opinion is that I see that not everything is as clear cut as you surmise. I dont think all you care about is truth, again that is an opinion, I think you are causing a stir on a website that belongs to the man you want to create a stir about... you are surmising he heard RUMOURS !!!

 

How about instead of brandishing accusations, albeit veiled, you provide some insight into what you feel could have been done by David and what the fallout may have been.. it was and is just a suggestion.....just as my opinion is just my opinion. What would be wrong with you putting forth some possibilities.....maybe in actual fact he did actually do that which you may come up with. Sorry that my opinion doesn't jive with you... but your words do not sit well with me either.

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has anyone else noticed an uptick in attacks recently? This forum is certainly coming under some fire at the moment....we must be on someones radar!

Here's a thread from 2009, discussing Savile (notice the freemason shill defending Savile):   http://web.archive.org/web/20150920193220/http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=55339

Sadly, DI didn't "out" Jimmy Savile in 'The Biggest Secret' and I think you will find that when your copy arrives. He certainly did, however, expose Lord Mountbatten.   Regarding the video y

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On 4/18/2021 at 5:27 PM, oddsnsods said:

 

I remember the original Savile thread was where I learned before he died & Grand Secretary was there trying to defend Savile.

I didn't know the old forum.. Who was GS? 

They seem to be one of the bad guys from what I'm reading! 

I can't believe he defended Savile. Brotherhood protection and all that. Pfft. 

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9 hours ago, Bee said:

 Me asking simple questions that lead you to accuse me of being here to "damage" David public image actually says a lot more about you than it does me.

 

yeah i do think that is your game here yes

 

9 hours ago, Bee said:

A truthful person has nothing to hide. It might not bother you that David may have lied about outing Savile before he died but it bothers me as once a liar always a liar.

 

you haven't established that

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13 hours ago, Beaujangles said:

 

First of all I didn't twist anything... and I have been watching DI for the whole time of his works... so far from lazy.  If you think I am unhelpful for having an opinion...then you are free to believe that...as for derailing a thread... thats a joke. My opinion is as valid as yours. It is interesting that you feel so threatened by my views...which of course I am equally entitled to.

 

It seems you want to know what David did to out Saville, but are you sure he needs to tell you...after all I`m guessing those approached could also become as culpable as you suggest David is. All presumption.... Instead of pointing fingers at David Icke...maybe you yourself  should be less lazy and dig around and try to see who would have been in Davids surroundings at that time...or maybe do a freedom of information and see if a report was made. ( I doubt they would provide it if it was).  I simply see your post as a direct attack... thats my opinion and the fact that you dont like it...is irrelevant. Accusing me of being lazy and unhelpful is somewhat funny when what you say is merely an opinion that is based on you wanting DI to talk to you personally and absolve yours `concerns`. Whereas, my opinion is that I see that not everything is as clear cut as you surmise. I dont think all you care about is truth, again that is an opinion, I think you are causing a stir on a website that belongs to the man you want to create a stir about... you are surmising he heard RUMOURS !!!

 

How about instead of brandishing accusations, albeit veiled, you provide some insight into what you feel could have been done by David and what the fallout may have been.. it was and is just a suggestion.....just as my opinion is just my opinion. What would be wrong with you putting forth some possibilities.....maybe in actual fact he did actually do that which you may come up with. Sorry that my opinion doesn't jive with you... but your words do not sit well with me either.

The very fact you see basic questions as 'attacking' David, 'pointing fingers', making 'accusations' at David etc speaks volumes.

 

Again you have deliberately twisted my words. You twisted my words before and it was that act of twisting my words to suit your narrative that I referred to as being lazy. I did not refer to you as a person being lazy. You've followed David for all his works, so have I. What is this, a pissing contest?! Why don't you try reading what I have actually said and not what you think I have said? It might help.

 

Where did I say I feel he 'needs to tell' me?! Once again, you are being deliberately very disingenuous. David has publicly stated multiple times that he outed Savile before he died. He has told anyone who will listen via interviews, articles etc that he outed Savile before Savile died.

 

My questions are simple;  did David know about Savile in the 1980's or didn't he? Bill Oddie has said of that time that it was a "running sick joke" about Savile's activities and 'the idea that youngsters were prey - everyone knew that'. Nick Murray, ex Radio 1 presented has said that "absolutely everyone knew about Savile's behaviour". Janet Street Porter who worked for the BBC in the late 1980s has stated that "A lot of people in the BBC knew what was going on".

 

There was also a News of the World report in 1971 about Savile - "The Truth about Top of the Pops" which alleged that young girls on the show were being picked up for sex and pornographic pictures were taken after recording. Allegations of corruption were also made. An inquiry was instigated but when two girls came forward to complain they were dismissed by the BBC.

 

If David outed Savile before Savile's death then where is the evidence of this? With respect, I'm not the only one to have looked and who cant find anything, there is certainly nothing in his books written prior to Savile's death. Why didn't David name Savile in his books? One can hardly say he is not being brave enough to speak about people whilst they are alive!  David have repeatedly made the claim that he outed Savile before his death. Those assertions saw a big change in how others perceive David. Those who automatically dismissed him and even ridiculed him before, began to revise their opinion.

 

David only spoke publicly about Saville in 2011, after Savile had died. He has stated he was told in the 1990's by "unimpeachable sources" about Savile's 'true nature' and that he told "those who would listen" about Savile's true nature, peadopjhilia and necrophilia etc. In a newsletters David published in late 2012 he stated that he had "named" Savile as a predator and peadophile 'such a long time ago'. This is all rather vague.

 

I don't understand why my questions seem to be perceived as being complicated and controversial? The fact that you are making false accusations about me suggests that, in your eyes at least, David must not be questioned in any way. I find this very strange especially as David himself is the first to say question everything and how important the truth is.

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11 hours ago, Macnamara said:

 

yeah i do think that is your game here yes

 

 

you haven't established that

You can think what you like - quite frankly I really couldn't care less if I tried :) 

 

Your reaction to simple, straightforward questions about Davids actions over Savile is very illuminating :)

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3 hours ago, Bee said:

You can think what you like - quite frankly I really couldn't care less if I tried :) 

 

Your reaction to simple, straightforward questions about Davids actions over Savile is very illuminating :)

you got the links from the old forum....

 

calling out while hiding behind vpn(most of the time)....it's suspicous to say the least

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On 4/13/2021 at 7:20 AM, Bee said:

It just caught me eye. I have skimmed through my Icke books and cant find any mention of Savile in them

Umm he talks about him in "the Biggest Secret" he exposes how savile got into the inner circle of the royal family threw lord mount batton(Dont know if my spelling of the lords name is correct)

Mind you i havent read the book im waiting for it in the mail, but he talked about it on his latest interview on banned.video  https://www.banned.video/watch?id=6079694081e5ba28d2058239 time stamp 41:40 is when he starts talking about the family and savile connection

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26 minutes ago, TwopackShugar said:

Umm he talks about him in "the Biggest Secret" he exposes how savile got into the inner circle of the royal family threw lord mount batton(Dont know if my spelling of the lords name is correct)

Mind you i havent read the book im waiting for it in the mail, but he talked about it on his latest interview on banned.video  https://www.banned.video/watch?id=6079694081e5ba28d2058239 time stamp 41:40 is when he starts talking about the family and savile connection

 

Sadly, DI didn't "out" Jimmy Savile in 'The Biggest Secret' and I think you will find that when your copy arrives. He certainly did, however, expose Lord Mountbatten.

 

Regarding the video you have linked to, DI doesn't say that he exposed Savile in 'The Biggest Secret' but rather Lord Mountbatten (who introduced Savile to the Royals). And this is confirmed further by the index section of my copy of the book where any individuals are ordered by surname.

 

Firstly, here is the 'M' section clearly showing page numbers to refer to in respect of Lord Mountbatten.

 

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I have checked each page number where Mountbatten is mentioned but none of them also refer to Savile unfortunately.

 

And here is the 'S' section showing that there is no mention of Savile.

 

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Metak's keyword scan of all DI's books seems to be accurate so I have no reason to doubt metak's findings that it was first in 'The Perception Deception' in 2013 - some time after Savile's death - that DI wrote about Savile in one of his books.

 

That isn't to say that DI didn't utilise other means to "out" Savile during his lifetime but it just cannot seemingly be found in his books.

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13 hours ago, Bee said:

You can think what you like - quite frankly I really couldn't care less if I tried :) 

 

Your reaction to simple, straightforward questions about Davids actions over Savile is very illuminating :)

 

i will tell you the truth about what i think

 

I DON'T KNOW if david ever said anything about saville before his death but what i DO KNOW is that we are in the middle of a global crisis built around a monstrous lie which david is working hard to expose

 

What is illuminating is how people are choosing to respond to this crisis. I find it very interesting that now as the new world order is making its bid for the finish line and everything we have been saying is going to happen for years is now in the mainstream headlines you are choosing to place your energy and focus on trying to tear down the guy who has been trying to expose this conspiracy all this time

 

That's how YOU chose to behave in the crisis

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6 minutes ago, screamingeagle said:

i guess we are doing something right!!!

 

I'm just wondering who all these people are that have joined fairly recently only to have a pop at david or the truth movement.....they've always been there but there definately seems to be an uptick at the moment

 

Is it 77th brigade or 13 signals i wonder?

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MOD NOTE

 

Can all members please refrain from attacking or 'calling out' other members in public discussions here, as per the Forum Rules & Guidelines:

 

Getting back to the point of this topic, does anyone have any 'concrete' evidence that David Icke is a Freemason, as has been alleged?

 

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The DI freemason talk on Twitter is just another attempt to undermine his character and nothing more.

When I briefly joined Twitter to promote DI myself during the last twelve months I would post clips from his LR interviews and got a lot of comments etc and one was 'DI works for the Government' lol.

To see how the media try to undermine DI go to the BBC site and search for DI.

The ONLY clip they archive on that site is 'David Icke on 9/11 and lizards in Buckingham Palace theories'.

There are countless they could host but they choose to host that.

 

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A couple of years back I was sitting next to DI on south bank overlooking the river Thames. He was with a friend, who then left. I just let him be, but the vibe's I got from him were that he was a bloke who desperately cares (plus burdened a bit by what he knows). In my head I wished him well and didn't speak to him, as I just wanted to take in the vibe. Ever since that day, I know that what he says is what he believes, and he doesn't say it for his 'own' benefit.

 

If you know the area, its not uncommon to bump into Politicians and media famous types...and when I've taken in their 'vibes' or 'had eye contact' their souls are 'dead'. You'll see folks who are 'known' for their joviality via the 'media' being absolute miserable sad types in real (unguarded) life. 

 

DI says he has experienced 'infinite love'...when you experience that, you know that if you ' deceive ' others in this realm, you can't escape those actions. If DI is a 'freemason' puppet then you'll believe that Doris Dohnson is a honest family man

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On 4/19/2021 at 10:11 AM, Bee said:

 

Don't twist what I have said - its lazy and unhelpful. This has nothing to do with what I think David should have done so stop trying to derail the thread.

 

Other testimonies have been very clear from a significant amount of ex BBC employees that it was well known about Savile as far back as the 1970's and that it was actually a running joke how Savile liked young girls etc.

 

David worked at the BBC in the 1980's on national, keystone programmes that were massive in their day (I remember). So many people at the BBC knew about Savile that I find it next to impossible to believe that David was not aware of any of the rumours during his almost 10 years working for the BBC.

 

David has stated many many times that he 'outed' Savile before Savile died. I can find no evidence for this whatsoever. All I've asked is how did David 'out' Savile before his death? He didn't write about Savile in any of this books prior to Savile dying as far as I can see. When he says he 'outed' him what does he mean? Who did he 'out' Savile to? Did he go to the police for example?

 

As already stated, all I care about is the truth and David has had a great deal of mileage out of his claim that he outed Savile before Savile died. I just want to know the truth; did he know about Savile in the 1980's whilst working on major national BBC programmes or not? If he did, why didn't he speak up at the time, after all he has criticised enough other people for not doing so. If he didn't know about Savile in the near decade he spent at the BBC then when did he 'out' Savile; how did he out Savile and was it before or after Savile's death?

 

These are very basic straightforward questions surely? A man who writes a books called 'The Truth Shall Set You Free' should not fear any scrutiny surely?

 

 

On 4/16/2021 at 12:49 PM, Bee said:

Thank you for the info. So still no evidence that David outed Saville before his death? So what, he knew about it whilst at the BBC or not? If he did, did he report it to anyone? If not then how can he wrote about others who knew and said/did nothing?

 

It may not matter to some but it matters to me as if David has made false claims about outing a monster like Saville I can only begin to wonder how other things may not be correct either. Truth and integrity are all to me, that's why it matters.

 

On 4/16/2021 at 5:59 PM, Bee said:

I dont expect him or anyone to be 'perfect'. I do expect him to be truthful when he is the one who says 'the truth will set you free'. He has had a lot of mileage out of saying he outed Savile before he died. If its a lie, its a monsterous one.

 

Bee - You're right that Icke never made claims about Savile while he was alive. I've been a fan of Icke for nearly 20 years and read several of his books including The Biggest Secret and don't recall DI ever mentioning Savile before his death so if Icke is claiming he did then he's either misremembering things or intentionally lying unfortunately.

But Icke did make even more serious claims publically about figures significantly more famous and powerful than Savile like the British Royal Family, Ted Heath, George Bush Sr. and many, many others so he wasn't afraid of being sued or targeted.

It's all a bit strange.

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On 4/13/2021 at 7:54 PM, Mitochondrial Eve said:

 

 

I have also seen lots of rumours circulating in the last few months about DI claiming he is a freemason who uses symbolic hand signals, bringing up events surrounding TPV and his knowledge of Savile. The main sources of these claims seem to be Chris Constantine, Paul Dudley and Lee Ryan. I had considered starting a thread to address / debunk the claims being made but have concerns about stirring up a lot of shit and especially dredging up all the TPV drama.

 

Whilst I can dismiss the other claims without too much concern, like you Bee, the Savile situation does niggle me more. Thanks to metak for providing where in DI's books he has written about Savile. I have now found the 'Doorway to the Cesspit' part in 'The Perception Deception' and will quote exactly what DI wrote about what he knew of Savile.

 

 

So DI states that he only found out about Savile's activities in the late 1990s, long after he had left the BBC. He then says he tried to make this information known between the late 1990s and 2011. It seems that, if metak's search has thrown up all the times DI's books mentioned Savile, Savile only featured in 'The Perception Deception' which dates to 2013. So no mention was made in DI's books during the period between when DI says he found out about Savile (late 1990s) and Savile's death (2011).

 

In what other ways may he have tried to circulate this information? Informally, in videos, interviews, at events or on the website perhaps? Or could he even have made direct reports to authorities? Realistically, in the absence of a video find or an archived webpage showing DI outing Savile before his death, we will probably never know the detail.

 

DI appears to claim that he did not know about Savile's activities during the time he worked at the BBC. Whilst some people seem to think that everybody at the BBC knew about Savile, can that reasonably be inferred? Some people choose to keep to themselves in their working environment and not participate in what could be seen as gossip. And the BBC is a big corporation with large numbers of staff and multiple locations. So, without having actually been there at the time ourselves, I am not sure we are in a well placed position to judge the likelihood of DI knowing about Savile (or not) during his time at the BBC.

 

So I guess it comes down to how much each of us are willing to trust DI's word on this as evidence either way is somewhat lacking. Regarding whether DI knew about Savile whilst working at the BBC, I am willing to give DI the benefit of the doubt as not all people engage in workplace rumours. On the point that DI claims to have tried to expose Savile after he did find out (and before his death), I would truly like to see some evidence of this but at the same time will keep in mind the possibility that DI may have tried to do this more from behind the scenes.

Also, when DI says he found out, before the information was in public circulation he would not legally have been allowed to publish that in his books. He would have been taken to pieces by Savilles lawyers for libel.There's a reason a lot of this started to get published once Seville was dead. I knew about Rolf Harris as I had personal experience of him harassing (me). No one would have believed that this national treasure was capable of this. It only went public about Harris when they decided there was enough ebidence to prosecute.My work colleagues who were with me and witnessed it were all shocked. And every one of them said once the claims about Rolfie came out they knew straight away they were true.  But without crown prosecution support there's nothing you can say publicly. So I'd believe David when he says he did what he could, even if it's not in the books from the time.

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On 4/28/2021 at 7:29 AM, kj35 said:

I knew about Rolf Harris as I had personal experience of him harassing (me).

I know this is serious  and it must have been very uncomfortable for you ,but I have to ask ,does he really have an extra leg?

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I have him short shrift,  after he'd drawn me a rolfaroo first though!!

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Please wake up.  There is not a shred of proof that Savile committed a single one of his alleged crimes.  Zilch.  Fact.  It is for this reason that the entire thing should be called out for the establishment hoax that it is.  All the rest is just lies about lies .............

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9 hours ago, theNWOisoutoforder said:

("I have continued to pee on the Establishment ever since with similar success." : quote from Savile, first page of chapter one, his autobiography)

Elton John wrote the music for Rocket Man , however that doesn't make him an astronaut

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