Time to stop and think for a moment.

[Edgecrusher]

16 hours ago, Fluke said:

Most of us have been more than nice to the average Joe and they've exposed themselves to be the cowards that they are...

Amen.

[Shining-one]

Most of my friends had the vaccine. They are aware of my views on the matter.
The other day one woman asked me a favour. Frankly, I'm not going to tell her to take a hike and that the friendship is over.
Going back to a terrific old film with Tom Hanks - Forest Gump, there was a scene where Jenny (his hippy first love) was protesting against Vietnam with lots of students and flower people. Forest (as an ex combat veteran) ends up caught up in the protest too. I guess that happened a lot. Those who supported the war later changed course.
I'm no saint. It also bothered me that my friends don't see how dangerous it is to give way to forced out policies. However, they don't see it. Moreover, ditching friends isn't going to change anything. I will have to wait.

[Glimpse_Of_Truth]

 

On 4/12/2021 at 9:04 PM, Shining-one said:

To add, I don't think this vaccine is instant death. I opt out of it for very rational reasons.
Simple logic suggests no resort to vaccine or social isolation can replace natural immunity and Darwin's evolution. No other species on the planet ever evolved and adapted by running and hiding. And vaccines can never replace our natural defences.
My guess is the vaccine masses will just get weaker and weaker immunity as time goes on. It will be curious to see how many get hammered by common colds next Winter. It's hard to believe supposedly educated people could have resorted to such ludicrous policy. Instead of just helping those genuinely at risk.

Vaccine for what though?

Edited April 14, 2021 by Glimpse_Of_Truth
mistake

[Glimpse_Of_Truth]

11 hours ago, Edgecrusher said:

Amen.

And resentment is better? Pitty. You might have woken up, but far from Awakened.

[Shining-one]

Chatted with the library staff today - all women. They were shocked I am not having any vaccine. It ended up with my voicing my skepticism and pointing out Iraq's so called WMD years ago was hysterical propaganda. I was surprised the women can't see how easily they've discarded critical thinking. I asked one of them how come over the months she changed from skepticism to full blown acceptance of the media. This she denied. However, on stating she just wanted to return to a normal life at any cost, that gave the game away.
People here are making possibly the same mistake German people made decades ago under National Socialism and Hitler. This vaccine is not optional as the Governments claim. It aims to drive people who dissent from employment, travel and finally actual citizen rights.
By no means do I advocate blaming people like these women. The truth is they just don't see the implications. I save my energy instead to oppose the doctrine and instigators behind this attack on free society. I can't decide for others but openly make it very clear to them what it all means.

[Shining-one]

There are those who would love to break up our friendships and families to create a less united society. I try to not get drawn into any major arguments. I think time will sway many people to rethink decisions they made.

[TetraG]

13 hours ago, Shining-one said:

This vaccine is not optional as the Governments claim. It aims to drive people who dissent from employment, travel and finally actual citizen rights

 

I realize this is what perverted, dogmatic government wants, but how practical is it to enforce in say UK, or any land of people where reality if more and more people dissent especially, like you suggest may happen an anti vac protective circle of allies... (which is why they want to breakup our families and social circles, small business as you can guess... All to create anxiety to in us so we  make rash decisions by us the public or for those of an already unfortunate weaker or disadvantaged position) but else with a bit of persuasion or infornative recalibration more people may wakeup and see a dawn of reckoning to turn the tide and no longer feel powerless. 

 

But before anything please .... First lets clarify, do you mean worldwide the biological power push is focusing  on SOME COUNTRIES MORE THAN OTHERS??  And of those powers aiming to enforce against anti vaxers that exist now, which are they that are asserting a critical over-reach of power on us in regard to a "no option" level of choice challenge on us by authoritarian say so, do we know?

(China? Russia? USA?  most intractible in enforcing force to make a guess?)  

 

So,I am not as well informed as I could be,  but I strongly suspect already in some regions of the world that is probably already happening(?) or at least in the power houses of the world, as I just made guess to.

Where the intent I don't doubt is to be visually and audibly, increase intrusion  as possible if not to enforce physically.

 

 

So until when they might rachet things up, the tactic will be 'badger' the people until they believe the vaccine is seen as a happy pill or something BS in the eyes of the naeive public..(for the people not already wearing naeive goggles) 

 

Although, not beyond imagining, I don't see why a government should be enabled to do enforcement no matter how fascist or lunatic some of their members.  

 

 

I just know so far here in UK I received a postal mail from NHS here in UK much to my annoyance yesterday about booking a jab. I am never having it, I would rather go on the run. So if they get calling me hoping me to acquiesce. It ain't happening... So they will phone as according to their  letter, my well chosen words, will be DOCTORS ARE SUPPOSED TO DO NO HARM.. THAT IS THE SUPPOSED AND INDEED ACTUAL CONSTITUTION OF ANY BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS (I am led to believe by advice found on this this forum where the line "DO NO HARM"  had better mean something, in tandem with my rites of refusal). 

 

Their pitfyful defence (by promoting & pushing the vaccine) will wreak of,, well its for your own good and to help protect others.(others that have the vaccine already, so good for them, and now LOGIC TIME OUT, I shall say, lol) ..

 

IMAGINE ME ON PHONE WHEN THIS HAPPENS, WHEN THEY CALL>>

nooooo, I like shredded wheat, you like rice crispies with colorful additives and pills placed on top I shall say... Don't get me to like what you like by actions untoward.

My emotive reaction could be translated like so^ (an example thereby above where I just wrote without being too emotive although it sure is an  emotive subject for me,  despite how I am trying to keep my cool) ... And if push comes to shove I will fight the battle in words or by legal other deeds if necessary to slam instituitonal bullying and harrassment, and to, NHS or any healthcare professional, shame on them (or their hench men & women) and their so called medicene when it is more than just a passive aggressive sales drive of bio technology gone wild/unchecked. Its widespread globalized wicked madness. 

 

Going back to what I may include in my answer to their call... 

I might mention "genocide" to them too for real.  OR failing that, to tell them why my doctor could eliminate me based on something more personal to me, but which I have yet to decide exactly qhat that will be.

Still,AS YET, in UK, so far the letter is not saying mandatory, but also it hardly advocates in favor of declining people and their rites to decline here in UK, (as should remain as statutory or whatever rites in tact and untouchable), for any1 against it all and merely want nothing to do with mad science. Like myself. 

 

Edited April 21, 2021 by Acanthocereus tetragonus

[Shining-one]

I also had these letters but simply haven't bothered to respond. If I did respond, some overworked receptionist would get an explanation that may well leave her lost for words. I specialise in such clinical aspects of psychology such as Hysteria, Catatonia and Paranoia. I am able to notice it in peoples behaviour and am very surprised other psychologists seem to not be clued up on this area. In fact, the psychology sites I visit seem geared to issues such as relationships but no scientific data. Anyway, I would not spend too much time trying to explain my position to a G.P. surgery. The bottom line is what we see unfold today seems to work like a Korean religious cult. It relies upon fear, hyperchondria, indoctrination by media, underlying insecurity and mass influence. How could so many people be wrong? It must be as dangerous as they say?
For this reason my advice always is not to try to argue someone to see this situation more rationally. Likewise blaming friends and family is not the best way to combat hysteria. I myself was in a cult during the 1980s and totally closed to rational argument. To have attacked my mistaken views back then would have entrenched the views even more. We need confident, concise, positive information and definitely not division. We need to state in clear terms:
The virus is by no means fatal. It is vastly exaggerated.
The vaccines cannot change your loss of freedom. So far most people who vaccinated are still restricted.
Symptoms from a vaccine don't just appear straight away as people imagine. I have authentic medical documents that state types of autism have been connected to vaccines. Written by recognised doctors from the USSR and written in the 1980s.
No government has any right whatsoever to force vaccines. By that I mean using employment or freedom of movement as blackmail. If this does happen it will cause many of us to react more forcefully. My grandparents fought in WW2 to prevent such aspects of fascism. Indeed last night I was watching The Great Escape again and was struck by how determined people were to resist. A far tougher generation.

[TetraG]

12 hours ago, Shining-one said:

I would not spend too much time trying to explain my position to a G.P. surgery. The bottom line is what we see unfold today seems to work like a Korean religious cult. It relies upon fear, hyperchondria, indoctrination by media, underlying insecurity and mass influence. How could so many people be wrong? It must be as dangerous as they say?
For this reason my advice always is not to try to argue someone to see this situation more rationally. Likewise blaming friends and family is not the best way to combat hysteria.

 

"I specialise in such clinical aspects of psychology such as Hysteria, Catatonia and Paranoia. I am able to notice it in peoples behaviour and am very surprised other psychologists seem to not be clued up on this area. In fact, the psychology sites I visit seem geared to issues such as relationships but no scientific data. "

 

 

I suppose I agree overall but when one is alone such as I often am. Something inside me makes me want to sort of fight this SOMEHOW -- all the more kinda, (& when sane for me to conduct any sort of rebellion,  ie,  extinction rebellion of which I am a consolidated fan and hopefully an asset to) ..

 

===ANYHOW as I was saying concerning the psychology of all, to manage and articulate the truth behind the likely to be "mostly deliberate" artifice of this virus hoax,  to tackle this in any way reasonable in fact.

 

So this by my opinion and general assertion, narrates that the instinct lives despite any self control narratives we place  over the top of our individual natures, where deep down therefore, for the awakened (as our DNA intelligence has not been corrupted WE HOPE) we know therefore instinctively when something is not right with people and their pseudo- pandemic behaviours. 

 

So, ok,  instincts are all good to acknowledge at times ~ but let me be fair too that if I follow your advice Shing One by not giving advice or at least try to appear half humble, well whats left, and I'm FAIRLY SURE you don't mean to render people opinionless (& certainly not powerless) or without a heart to express, but how do we inform people, and yet avoid arguement at the same time as "not blaming"??...

 

Bit difficult to know what skills & ways of communicating any sort of concern are required to  overcome "expression deadlock." - errr, if thats the result.  

 

Arguement is not always inevitable but objectively seeing what is before us we see people  I guess displaying innate discorrelation by how things are so overwhelming..

 

What comes from that in the truth blinded people is a  disbelief (or shell shock once informed) by how some react to new information trying to cut a narrative into a segment of someones incredulousness (ie, those masses who aquiesse more than a little or a little too much ...or just whatever inadvertently or foolishly gets them bound up "to go with the flow of creating only a flotsome & jetsome sort of malign consciousness in dull uninformed subserviancy etc"...)

 

So, they, ANYBODY IN FACT as we see can by automative drive be coralled easily into conformity and to whatever it is they obey without being challenged by accepting new or alternative knowledge is otherwise an ever deepening cloud of mixing tides AS SET BY THE BIG AGENDA, where individuals absent of any *MEANINGFUL data* as the case maybe, risk themselves (and others by proxy and dual tide association of sheep mentality) resulting in mysterical hysterical & paranoia delusional FLUFF or FAR WORSE and a feeling of restlessness of mind. That then leads to mental ill health. 

 

All I dare say a product of  misfit or mishapen or zero information or inappropiate or inaccurate knowledge for sustaining credulity of any person in terms of general health and mind direction/redirection...Edit/reEdit === requiring proper self evaluation in a difficult world along with adequete self protection (except not in a "me me me" woe begot way preferably) against foes like a  would be virus or whatever, and the parasitic people behind this are responsible for. 

 

This is why I say myself, that a predominantly YET truly honorable WHOLISTIC outlook on life is essential to emerge outside of a dogmatic system of patriarchs whether that be our employer expecting too much of us or PERHAPS not surprisingly, our MP(s) if their work -or lack of- does not allign with such ideals as I know to be the route generally to a more healthier society..

 

Anything else is either corporate misappropiation of power or the ways of modern society systematically undermining our wholistic rites to a fuller life and more self identifiable livelyhood of self expression & worth as well as worth to any community we consider ourselves belonging to IN THE FLESH WORLD, and of course I don't mean FB. or. Twitter supercialdom infinitum. 

 

Thats what we get without proper provision, of alternative knowledge and leverage and yet scientifically able minded people too such as your self Shining One, and so I respect you as the psychologist giving your take on things, especially you having said the other quote I take from you that should also appear above...Good to know DI site has your input!!) :-)  

 

 

 

Edited April 22, 2021 by Acanthocereus tetragonus
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[TetraG]

Ps-- I know very well I won't have answered in response to everything Shining One, but thankyou for your other experiences, insights & observations too, not least your time experiencing a cult during the 80's of which you were a part -  mistakenly as you mention. 

 

 

And yes, regarding any authority lacking honest  discretion its probably as you suggest~ not always wise trying to convince too many people if we are not so grandeose in knowledge ourselves (by that I mean any one of us needing to improve our 'ways' or self viability abd credibility worth sharing -  TO WHOM IS THEN THE ONLY QUESTION ABOUT SHARING.. any one that would offer respectful views back I guess) 

 

 

HOWEVER, when in defence, like again in less friendly scenarios however if a person is smart or just fedup of wasting time on brain dead folk or overly systemic professionals, could include giving short shrift at times to GP's and government health organizations where we might ve tempted to share  our own personal stance on vaccines...

 

But if one were to assert in no uncertain terms to authority, is there any harm in that apart from probably being a waste of time???

 

Well ~ as many are pre-doctrined doctors anyway, and many not working from the heart by the necessary compassion needed as would be part of my wholistic requirement and thorough cross analysis from all known science...

 

 

Only what we more than likely have in its place is a shady science and thereof government protocols which I prejudge by & large as thinly veiled evil...

(but NOT to say all science is bad, I mean scientists in general purposefully do not themselves ascribe "good" or "bad" as adjectives anyway -in a bid to stay impartial and objective if they have any truth about them... and working for good ends IN A BETTER OPEN MINDED SCIENCE which all the more trnasforms into being good but only if science is reliable and transparent in the first place) 

Edited April 22, 2021 by Acanthocereus tetragonus
Clarity of expression.

[Shining-one]

One reason I oppose the vaccine is due to my experiences of falling levels around psychology as a science. So many mistakes and hundreds of wrongly diagnosed people. No admission either - just blame the pioneers of a functional diagnosis.
Almost all my research is derived from the USSR and Germany. The standard then was so much higher than in the UK and USA. Far more grounded in real science. Myself I spent a lost childhood never having been diagnosed and totally unemployable. For years. What does that say for the current system as it stood for decades? So, by the same token, I do not trust the current crop of biologists who seem to lack basic, background knowledge. I suspect so much research is based on the now too familiar I.T. dependent, business funded establishment. I hope no doctor ever makes the mistake to "recommend" a vaccine in the supposed interests of my health. I already spent 5 years researching psychology and neurology in order to put together systematic information that might help others. The irony is that should never have been necessary. Likewise I repeat I remain baffled psychiatrists haven't stated what's so obvious. Covid is 75 per cent mass hysteria. The people you see walking a dog in a deserted field with a mask on are most definitely suffering from hysteria, OCD, anxiety and very often psychosomatic symptoms. And those are very real to the sufferer. Sure, the symptoms can be recognised but the overall cause is uncertain. In the past, serious social hysteria was linked to some environmental factor. Plus the biological aspect of this crisis is not so familiar to me. I guess bacteria tends to evolve and not be static and people are very much over-reacting. They appear to fear reality more than anything concrete.

[Shining-one]

To address the question: How to react?
Well, today, I let someone have it! Quite polite of course. A female I've known a few years who works in a shop. I told her why I had no inclination to risk my health on some experimental vaccination. When I express these reasons the main impression is that of total confidence and lack of fear. This is quite evident.
Do you know if a rattle snake bites you, the first golden rule is to relax, stay calm and still. Mostly rattle snake bites aren't fatal but they can be if you panic. I'm quite sure Covid is not at all a threat to my health. It may be so to the elderly but, in such a case, efforts should have been directed to safeguard them - not healthy schoolchildren.
So, simple direct information. Friends have made their decision but I'm not their keeper.

[TetraG]

Good to see any post of your Shining One as I said to you in PM today, but I have to bow out for the the said length of time...

 

And not for any personal reasons to do with anything or anyone but my own circumstances but I will also bow out from this thread specificly to respect G_o_T, and. not post here again unless original OP comes back to comment... 

 

Meanwhile just to recognize the fact~ we latter few posters have gleefully conspiratorially deviated from OP.  And it was ok,  it was natural meanwhile to go with that, but now I stop doing that I HAVE TO concentrate on my own life crisis... Although I understand and I'm not slamming anybody for  the temptation where to have begun a sort of new thread (spontaneously within this thread) such as by the interesting psychological experience and all you are adding Shining One, on topics perfect to explore and/or continue (further down the line in my case)  ... Nevertheless I have to take my leave to meet with my own destiny so to speak right now... 

 

Catchup with everybody the other side. 

 

Btw, I am keeping open my request for a name change whilst residing with my oath to firmly resist being here until later in year. So despite my being away that is.

 

Anyway... Cheers everyone. 

 

Byebye this thread for now. 

 

 

Peace. 

[Shining-one]

On 4/22/2021 at 8:58 AM, Acanthocereus tetragonus said:

Ps-- I know very well I won't have answered in response to everything Shining One, but thankyou for your other experiences, insights & observations too, not least your time experiencing a cult during the 80's of which you were a part -  mistakenly as you mention. 

 

 

And yes, regarding any authority lacking honest  discretion its probably as you suggest~ not always wise trying to convince too many people if we are not so grandeose in knowledge ourselves (by that I mean any one of us needing to improve our 'ways' or self viability abd credibility worth sharing -  TO WHOM IS THEN THE ONLY QUESTION ABOUT SHARING.. any one that would offer respectful views back I guess) 

 

 

HOWEVER, when in defence, like again in less friendly scenarios however if a person is smart or just fedup of wasting time on brain dead folk or overly systemic professionals, could include giving short shrift at times to GP's and government health organizations where we might ve tempted to share  our own personal stance on vaccines...

 

But if one were to assert in no uncertain terms to authority, is there any harm in that apart from probably being a waste of time???

 

Well ~ as many are pre-doctrined doctors anyway, and many not working from the heart by the necessary compassion needed as would be part of my wholistic requirement and thorough cross analysis from all known science...

 

 

Only what we more than likely have in its place is a shady science and thereof government protocols which I prejudge by & large as thinly veiled evil...

(but NOT to say all science is bad, I mean scientists in general purposefully do not themselves ascribe "good" or "bad" as adjectives anyway -in a bid to stay impartial and objective if they have any truth about them... and working for good ends IN A BETTER OPEN MINDED SCIENCE which all the more trnasforms into being good but only if science is reliable and transparent in the first place) 

There was one book on the Moonies that engrossed me. A really exciting true story about a student who met the Moonies on uni campus in California. He was invited to a special camp where brainwashing was used by heavy indoctrination, role-play and "love bombing". This latter involved the recruit being told how wonderful he, or she, was. Nobody was ever left alone. I myself met the Moonies in Russia around 1992. They were very persistant. In the 1970s parents were hiring deprogrammers to snatch their kids out of the cult. Members were told beforehand the deprogrammers were satanic and must be resisted. Parents would pay hundreds of dollars for deprogrammers to break the cult spell. In the book case it was successful. The ex cult member had lost a lot of weight and had only slept 4 hours a night in the group.