Do We Need Political Parties At All?

[Enlil]

 

Do we need political parties at all?
All those political parties and movements are an illusion of choice for idiots. You can pick any random man or woman on the street, give them presidential rights, and they will serve the country in million times better than any of those so-called independent or chained candidates.

The same is applicable to any government role/position, doesn’t matter if it is a clerk, a minister, or a chief of CIA. That how we should choose our governments every three years, random normal honest people from the streets.
We don’t need political parties at all. Those parties and their elites are just another instrument of corruption and deceiving.

Remember, all those who are seeking power (applying for the jobs in the govern organizations, or for election campaigns) have deformity in their DNA/genes (because of inbreeding/"noble bloodlines"). They want to rule and suppress us.

Some can say: it is too idealistic, picking random people to represent us in the governments. Is it? Really?

Think about our government/political systems that exist now? They are completely broken and misused by psychopathic dictators. It doesn’t work and never worked, because it has always been rigged from the beginning.

In the USA political parties (Republicans and Democrats) were implanted by Gorge Washington (General Grand Mason Master by the way, a coincident for sure) at the end of 17 century through Alexander Hamilton, Thomas Jefferson and James Madison. Three of them became presidents of the USA and Hamilton was the head of the Treasury Department. Guess who was the sponsor and general investor of that Treasury those days? “Roman Curia” Vatican. Beautiful. Now we have the whole picture.
They created “fake” political parties, and then they were elected as presidents (another strange coincident). Nice.

A brain-dead can see that they have played both sides and the referee at the same time. Pure scam.

Have you noticed that all their family names have the same ending “ON”? What a coincident again, right? Nothing to do with “noble” bloodlines of course.
The principle stumbling point between those two political parties was:
Who will have more ruling power: federal government or states governments.
How is it a choice of freedom to the people? What a joke. An illusion.

First “version” of political parties in the UK “Whig” (Liberal Party now) and “Tory” (Conservative Party now) came into existence at the end of 16 century. Both of them represented churches/religions, just different views: presbyterians and anglican and the argue point was the religious affiliation of the heir to the throne James II (Duke of York). The Tory wanted a catholic king and the Whig wanted a king with another religion. How does it give a choice, freedom or keeping the population from tyranny/religions? Another illusion...

 

Edited March 25, 2021 by Enlil

[oz93666]

No, we don't need political parties ... We also don't need political representatives ....

 

A hundred years ago this old system could be justified ... people in a mining village felt they needed a voice , so they elected an MP ....

 

Now we all have smart phones (except me) , and there is a secure way for everyone who want's to , to vote .....

 

So how this would work in practice is people will vote on everything .... Let's say for mask wearing ... In the media different sides would put their case forward , then every phone holder could vote on mask wearing  ... No mask compulsion ... Compulsory in all public places .... Compulsory in shops and restaurants .... 

 

This is the obvious way forward , but it will never happen because it takes the power from the controllers . 

[Doctor What]

1 hour ago, oz93666 said:

Let's say for mask wearing ... In the media different sides would put their case forward , then every phone holder could vote on mask wearing  ... No mask compulsion ... Compulsory in all public places .... Compulsory in shops and restaurants .... 

 

This is the obvious way forward , but it will never happen because it takes the power from the controllers . 

 

Supposing reality is fully reset. Now, who will be counting the votes? And who makes the person put on the mask? And what is his penalty if he refuses? Who organises this? Who controls the media to have fairness? Who checks on the people from the answers to the questions?

 

Your solution says democracy. It says that 50.1% tell 49.9% their duty. That sucks.

 

 

[Itsjaybigjay]

Have to agree with OZ, with modern tech it would be possible to give the people the vote on all decisions. The problem is the people in power don't want to relinquish that power, it would have to be taken by force. also any system is open to manipulation hacked phones not voting the way you wanted and suchlike.  

[oz93666]

Just now, Doctor What said:

 

 Now, who will be counting the votes?

 

All this is done online .... Anyone can go online to where the votes are counted electronically  , look for their phone number in the list  and check their view was correctly counted 

Just now, Doctor What said:

 

And who makes the person put on the mask? And what is his penalty if he refuses?

 

The police enforce all laws the people vote to live under ....

 

And the penalties for law breaking will be decided by vote ....

 

People voting in this way could determine all criminal prosecution .... I'm an avid viewer of cop documentaries... At the moment the law is a shambles , the cops catch a car load of kids in a stolen car after a chase , but they're all let go because the cops couldn't determine who stole the car or who was driving ...But the chase was all filmed ...So on the new system viewers watching live time vote on what happens to the 4 hoodlums.... Search "Interceptors UK cops"  on Youtube for a typical video. 

 

 

[Doctor What]

7 minutes ago, oz93666 said:

All this is done online .... Anyone can go online to where the votes are counted electronically  , look for their phone number in the list  and check their view was correctly counted 

 

The police enforce all laws the people vote to live under ....

 

And the penalties for law breaking will be decided by vote ....

 

People voting in this way could determine all criminal prosecution .... I'm an avid viewer of cop documentaries... At the moment the law is a shambles , the cops catch a car load of kids in a stolen car after a chase , but they're all let go because the cops couldn't determine who stole the car or who was driving ...But the chase was all filmed ...So on the new system viewers watching live time vote on what happens to the 4 hoodlums.... Search "Interceptors UK cops"  on Youtube for a typical video. 

 

 

 

Who controls the police? If it is not counted correctly who controls complaints? I noticed you bypassing 50.1% controlling 49.9% - this still sucks.

[Enlil]

11 minutes ago, Itsjaybigjay said:

Have to agree with OZ, with modern tech it would be possible to give the people the vote on all decisions. The problem is the people in power don't want to relinquish that power, it would have to be taken by force. also any system is open to manipulation hacked phones not voting the way you wanted and suchlike.  

 

The thing with voting comes again into the same loop:

 

Most people who want to be elected, or to work in the governments (doesn’t matter on what level) are those who have DNA/genetic deformity (because of inbreeding from “noble” bloodlines). They WANT to RULE other people and most of them have lack of empathy, mercilessness, violence, domination, cruelty, arrogance, deceit, hypocrisy, betrayal, sadism, narcissism, but also intelligence, inventiveness and cleverness… They are real sociopaths. They don’t feel guilty for the harm they cause and they find pleasure in other people’s suffering. They don’t care about society, they care only about themselves and their interests.

 

They do and will do whatever it takes to achieve their goals, even if it requires torture and killing of millions or billions of people. That is why the governments killed in many times more people than all the natural disasters/cataclysms combine, including pandemics. By the way, most pandemics arose because of governments activities (robberies of the population, wars, genocide, military experiments and researches).

 

Basically, we are (99.9999% of the human population) letting them to take those positions there, because of our ignorance and naivety and… our nature. Freeborn human beings don’t want to rule, dominate, dictate, lie, kill, torture, deceive, cheat, mislead, enjoy sufferings of others, etc… The “rulers” taking advantage of this fact. And then we are surprised that we are living under dictatorships and we can do nothing about it, because it’s too late.

It means that if we vote for them (doesn’t matter for whom, doesn’t matter how-digital or on paper), we will have the same results that we have now. Corruption and money worshipping.

 

It is just insanity to do the same things again and again, if it gives the same outcome.

 

We need another system to select honest and not corrupted people who will represent us in the governments. Not those scumbags and psychopaths who are striving for power impunity and permissiveness.

[oz93666]

Just now, Doctor What said:

I noticed you bypassing 50.1% controlling 49.9% - this still sucks.

 

And what is the alternative ??? 50.1% vote you need insurance to drive a car on the road , then that's it ... it's true democracy ...if you don't like it move to a zone where you don't need insurance to drive. 

[Enlil]

20 minutes ago, oz93666 said:

 

27 minutes ago, oz93666 said:

 

The police enforce all laws the people vote to live under ....

 

 

About that:  We have a huge problem here too.

The same what I’ve mentioned in my previous post is applicable for people from different reinforcement institutions (military, army, mercenaries, secret services, police, etc…). Very often, they have been serving there generations after generations. We can call them the “Cerberus” (In Greek mythology a multi-headed dog that guards the gates of the Underworld). Their psychological/genetic/DNA profile was cultivated too. They had developed the similar psychological deformity as their bosses, except less narcissism, but unquenchable urge and propensity to obey orders from authorities.

 

Guess what changed since then? – Nothing. To be able to join those forces now candidates have to perform different tests, complete/pass specific psychological exams and physical trainings. After that, they have to take an oath of allegiance (religious ritual of devotion, loyalty and sacrifice). Therefore, the rulers will know exactly that the candidates’ profiles fit rulers’ needs and requirements and the candidates will do whatever they’ve been told to do.

 

Most of those jarheads cannot behave and cannot think as freeborn human beings. Because they were grown/cultivated/selected to do their jobs. It is wired-in in their DNA and genes permanently. Therefore, they will obey the orders without questions and hesitation (in most cases). If the ruler said: kill, they will kill. We have to be aware about it.

 

[Doctor What]

39 minutes ago, oz93666 said:

 

And what is the alternative ??? 50.1% vote you need insurance to drive a car on the road , then that's it ... it's true democracy ...if you don't like it move to a zone where you don't need insurance to drive. 

 

 

Poor example. Many here are not happy to wear masks. With your simplistical system you say they all must wear masks or go to imaginary place where the mobile phones are not voting, or what?

 

What is alternative? As system is now but without bastards pulling strings and kind people work to hold together. Now I must go out and make some daisy chains and sing ommmm - because this all will never happen.

 

 

Edit: Many here think also that 4g and 5g are not good for people's conscious. How will this work for mobile phones? Should all vote on mobile phones to remove 4g and 5g then tough luck to 49.9 losers? Sucks.

Edited March 25, 2021 by Doctor What

[Mitochondrial Eve]

It is an age old question as to how best to run a society.

 

Whilst I don't profess to have the answer, I cannot agree with Oz's suggestion that everybody votes on everything and the majority rules. The danger with Oz's suggestion, as Doctor What rightly points out, is that some very poor choices could be made by the majority which then affect everybody including those with more foresight into the pitfalls who would then have little or no ability to challenge the majority rule. Such a system would be open to abuse and individual autonomy could be trampled upon - this has never been more clear than in the current climate whereby public opinion can be manipulated and steered according to the whims of those pulling the strings. "Experts" can be wheeled out to persuade the masses what to think and how to vote. Brainwashing techniques can be employed through media, education and other forms of propaganda combined with fear campaigns and psychological profiling. I wouldn't currently want the British public voting on coronavirus policies as I fear that they would, believing the official narrative and lacking insight into the true landscape, not make wise choices and that the rest of us would be dragged down with them. This would be deemed legitimate via the will of the people.

 

With the current system in the UK, we are so far removed from personal responsibility that people are willing to trust and place their lives into the hands of politicians and so-called experts no matter how incompetent they may appear to be. (In my view, it is not incompetence but all calculated by design but, from a mainstream perspective, those apparently in control are portrayed as hopelessly incompetent). Many people seem to shuffle along, in a state of apathy, going along with whatever they are told for an easier life and what appears to be the path of least resistance. They do not want to think for themselves or exercise any vision as that requires too much effort - and that is not a good state of mind from which to make effective decisions. People seem to have no confidence in themselves - probably because society has been relentlessly dumbed down and infantilised. Sometimes I think that adults today seem more like children than children do.

 

In answer to the OP, I don't think political parties are needed. I lean more towards Larken Rose's suggestion of anarchy. This is because I cannot support any system which compels people to do things against their will. I prefer more the idea of individual personal responsibility where everyone makes their own decisions about the choices they face, and equally experience the consequences if they make bad choices. How else are people challenged to learn and grow? Building on this idea, DI also suggests that the only requirement for a society to run itself is empathy. If we all had empathy for one another, we would not need rules, restrictions and limitations (laws) placed on us as we would be operating from a heart-based attitude where we would not want to cause harm to others and infringe upon their will.

 

It may seem somewhat idealistic, and how this would operate on a practical level would require a great deal of thought and planning out as perhaps some structure would still be needed. But I really do think we need to seek a position of personal responsibility over the collective which I think would be a better and more meaningful way of connecting and coming together over what appears to be fast becoming the hive mind. It may seem contradictory and counter-intuitive, but perhaps "one-ness" is best achieved through people respectfully, and thus harmoniously, expressing their own individuality.

[Mr Chinnery]

Bread and circus for the masses.

 

I don't think MPs have that much power, they are given a script to follow.

 

If you want to see where the real crooks are, look at your local councillors. They are given far more powers to decide things that affect you than think.

[oz93666]

4 hours ago, Mitochondrial Eve said:

Whilst I don't profess to have the answer, I cannot agree with Oz's suggestion that everybody votes on everything and the majority rules. The danger with Oz's suggestion, as Doctor What rightly points out, is that some very poor choices could be made by the majority .

Basically you are saying the people cannot be trusted , they are too stupid ...

 

Whilst I agree they are handicaped when it comes to specialized  issues (like covid)   , the majority have common sense and a good heart , and this is what gives me faith in humanity ...

 

The history of voting in the UK (if I remember correctly) was that first only the "Lords" had a vote ...the line was that the masses were idiots and should have no say  . Then after much struggle the males got a vote ... Of course the females were seen as the stupidest of the stupid and only relatively recently have they been able to vote.

 

You lean more towards Larken Rose's suggestion of anarchy??? ..I've just searched him and I'm not impressed , just a lot of attacks on the established system , which we know is wrong , shooting fish in a barrel ... But no practical suggestions of what to replace it with ....

 

In a society there is shared space , so only a majority vote can determine the rules which govern this shared space ... If the majority outlaw walking the streets naked then all have to comply ....

 

So what I'm proposing is the purest form of democracy .....

 

It should be pointed out that the US is a constitutional democracy ... that's to say there are written in the constitution inalienable human rights that cannot be violated .. So for example even if a majority voted to kill all blacks it could not be enforced...

 

But who drew up the US constitution? Drawn up in secret by an 'elite'  , the people had no say ...

 

I suggest  a constitution can only be justified if the People vote for it , so then it's pointless anyway. 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 26, 2021 by oz93666

[oz93666]

4 hours ago, Mitochondrial Eve said:

 This is because I cannot support any system which compels people to do things against their will. I prefer more the idea of individual personal responsibility where everyone makes their own decisions about the choices they face, and equally experience the consequences if they make bad choices.

 

So society shouldn't compel people to take a driving test or have insurance when driving a car in shared space??? 

 

At the moment 1 in 20 drivers are uninsured in the UK , and if they crash into you and destroy you're car , then YOU will be walking.   

[Mitochondrial Eve]

15 hours ago, oz93666 said:

Basically you are saying the people cannot be trusted , they are too stupid ...

 

Whilst I agree they are handicaped when it comes to specialized  issues (like covid)   , the majority have common sense and a good heart , and this is what gives me faith in humanity ...

 

The history of voting in the UK (if I remember correctly) was that first only the "Lords" had a vote ...the line was that the masses were idiots and should have no say  . Then after much struggle the males got a vote ... Of course the females were seen as the stupidest of the stupid and only relatively recently have they been able to vote.

 

I am saying that the idea of people making decisions, as part of a collective, that can affect me on an individual level does not appeal to me.

 

It is not necessarily that I see other people as too stupid - they may have been deliberately dumbed down but that doesn't necessarily equate to innate stupidity. Instead, a focus on personal choice and responsibility over the collective would entail faith that each individual is capable of making choices in their own best interest but not at the expense of others. I certainly don't want other people speaking for and deciding what is best for me - such as, in the current climate, compelling me into things which I know are harmful (e.g. masks, mandatory vaccinations or Covid certificates). And I certainly would not like to make decisions for other adults either.

 

I think that perhaps, with more personal responsibility, would come the end of the apathy and disengagement of the masses which seems to have arisen out of a state of feeling powerless. I think people give their power away to others and conform to the majority view, in no small part, in order to have someone else to blame if things go wrong. Or they think there is no point going against the rest of the masses as what difference would this make? But this is the ultimate disempowered and enslaved state of being.

 

Would we not be placing more faith in humanity if we were each able to make our own individual choices about how best to govern our lives rather than continuing to vote into a system which only offers an illusion of choice?

 

15 hours ago, oz93666 said:

You lean more towards Larken Rose's suggestion of anarchy??? ..I've just searched him and I'm not impressed , just a lot of attacks on the established system , which we know is wrong , shooting fish in a barrel ... But no practical suggestions of what to replace it with ....

 

I am not seeking to persuade you round to Larken Rose's views, but I wonder if you have, in a matter of a few hours, taken more than a cursory look at what he has to say. He has written 'The Most Dangerous Superstition' which I believe is easily available online in pdf format. His book more fully outlines his vision so perhaps you may like to take a look. The solution he presents is merely the removal of governments and authority rather than replacement institutions or a new system. Instead there would be billions of individual plans. Whilst this may seem chaotic, he believes that people can still work together as adults, cooperate and find compromises as a "society of equals rather than masters and subjects".

 

15 hours ago, oz93666 said:

In a society there is shared space , so only a majority vote can determine the rules which govern this shared space ... If the majority outlaw walking the streets naked then all have to comply ....

 

 

So what I'm proposing is the purest form of democracy .....

 

It should be pointed out that the US is a constitutional democracy ... that's to say there are written in the constitution inalienable human rights that cannot be violated .. So for example even if a majority voted to kill all blacks it could not be enforced...

 

But who drew up the US constitution? Drawn up in secret by an 'elite'  , the people had no say ...

 

I suggest  a constitution can only be justified if the People vote for it , so then it's pointless anyway. 

 

 

Regarding your point about constitutions, the UK also has a constitution but an unwritten, uncodified one. But I am not sure what good it is doing us at present when the current tyrannical government is riding roughshod over our rights with no apparent recourse for stopping it.

 

Perhaps a democracy like you suggest could work in a highly motivated, highly informed society with benevolent figureheads - a society with, for example, the principles of common law at its base including inalienable rights and natural justice. But who would decide what choices should be voted on and would all types of choices be catered for?

 

But I wonder if perhaps society has become too big and centralised for democracy to work, and perhaps a move towards smaller and more autonomous communities would be preferable. The central problem of any societal make up is that there is always that small percentage of people - psychopaths / sociopaths - who have a certain sense of entitlement, combined with a lack of empathy, causing a complete disregard of others. It is because of such characters that people cannot trust each other giving rise to a need for laws in the first place. Perhaps such bad eggs would be easier sniffed out and dealt with in smaller communities.

 

Will corruption in society - no matter what form it takes - always be inevitable? Or would removing authority from the mix (power over others as opposed to personal power) remove the type of power that always seems to corrupt?

[Grumpy Owl]

I think while we have this current system of government we do need political parties.

 

But what we do need more are genuine political parties who sit outside of the current Establishment.

 

And we also need to find a way for the masses to become aware of these 'other' political parties, and to get out and vote for their candidates.

 

Nothing will ever change while the majority of people continue to blindly vote for the 'traditional' Establishment political parties and their lackey candidates, and while the Establishment media continue to fuel the perception that a vote for any 'non-Establishment' party is somehow a 'wasted' vote.

[Mr H]

The short answer is, no.

[Enlil]

On 3/26/2021 at 7:14 PM, Mitochondrial Eve said:

 

But I wonder if perhaps society has become too big and centralised for democracy to work, and perhaps a move towards smaller and more autonomous communities would be preferable. The central problem of any societal make up is that there is always that small percentage of people - psychopaths / sociopaths - who have a certain sense of entitlement, combined with a lack of empathy, causing a complete disregard of others. It is because of such characters that people cannot trust each other giving rise to a need for laws in the first place. Perhaps such bad eggs would be easier sniffed out and dealt with in smaller communities.

 

Will corruption in society - no matter what form it takes - always be inevitable? Or would removing authority from the mix (power over others as opposed to personal power) remove the type of power that always seems to corrupt?

 

We already have small communities and city councils. Giving more power to local governments will change nothing.

 

It is very easy to identify those who wants to rule and dominate us (psychopaths, sadists).

They want to be elected, or to work for the government/reinforcing institutions and they are operating there as we speak, because we have allowed them with our ignorance and naivety. That tiny percentage of sociopaths is already there.

We have created and offered to them a perfect, very desirable and juicy feeder. No wonder that they sucking our energy, blood, life, livelihoods, wealth, assets from us on an unbelievable scale.

 

Nowadays, it is a "privilege" to work for the governments or to be elected. It gives them special status, perks, power, fame, VIP privileges, huge salaries/pensions, possibilities for corruption/bribery/criminal conspiracies, dictatorship, favoritism, money creation, etc. When they have all those advantages of course, they want to distance themselves from the people as far as possible and protect this chasm by any means.

Instead, working for the government must be a very heavy "burden" to anybody. An honorable, but very difficult and stressful job that gives not too much for you, only unique experience, other people’s respect and an average pension at the end.

 

The political/election/government/legal/financial/educational, etc… systems are completely compromised and infiltrated by psychopaths and so called “noble bloodlines” now.

They don’t serve us, we serve to them. And this is completely wrong.

Those systems must be dissolved, if we want to get our freedom back and to protect our and our children’s future.

 

Everybody is educated enough nowadays to become people’s representative and to bear a burden as a government worker. Present governments privileges must be called out, leveled down to an average salary and pension in the country.

We have to create a completely new system that uses different approach and concepts.

 

1. We don’t need political parties at all, so no more elections, gigantic financial expenses, no lobbyists, nor political sponsors, no more favoritism, corruptions, bribery, indorsing, etc… No divided political views of the population and hysterical political wars/propaganda/brainwashing. Therefore, we don’t need parliaments and the corrupted clowns that are sitting there and lying that they are representing us and our will.

 

2. All government workers must be chosen to truly serve us. Not like it is happening now (by indorsing, connections, family promotions, favoritism, bribery, etc..), but by a simple open public electronic or paper “raffle”, where every eligible candidate in the society has equal chances to be selected. And there will be millions and hundreds of thousands of them (depends of the requirements for this position).

 

A candidate might be: officially working, unemployed, self-employed, or a business owner, but not too young, because luck of experience, or too old, because of health issues, let’s say somebody between 31 and 65 years old, without criminal or other similar convictions, without severe health issues, or mental disorders/incompatibilities, with an appropriate educational/professional background, without dual citizenship.

 

Let’s say we need a president. Then every eligible citizen of the country has equal chance to become one.

Or, we need somebody who can work in an economy/education/military/etc… sector, then every citizen with economical/financial/educational/military/etc…education/experience will have equal chance to be selected, etc…

 

The maximal period that somebody can work in a government institution on all levels (local/state/federal, etc..) should be limited by 3 years, without possibilities to work for the government ever again, to use that ex government title in the advertisements or for paid consulting, to open a private business, or to own/buy another business or shares of it, within 10 years after this person has left a government position.

 

After 3 years, this citizen gets retirement (with possibilities for additional employment). An average pension might be assigned as a reward (after reviewing of his/her work). A new selected government audit institution will decide within 3 month if his/her work was beneficial for the society and that he or she is eligible for the pension. If not, and in case if there are no criminal or civil charges there, this citizen  will return to the job market and will seek a job as everybody else.

 

If somebody has been selected, but declined to accept a job proposition in the government for any reasons, then he/she will be permanently excluded from any future government selections/raffles. Another candidate will be chosen.

All sitting/present government workers must be retired preliminarily (because the whole system is compromised) with an average pension, without possibilities to work for the government again, to open/join a private business within 10 years after this person has left a government position and to use the assets that they unlawfully gained during their work for the people (except an average earned salary). All those unlawfully gained assets must be realized on public auctions and returned to the people by redistribution, proportionally with the current financial level of each eligible citizen.

 

The total size of the governments/governmental institutions on local/state/federal levels must be reduced to 0.3% of the total population of the country, including police, army, legal services, first responders, etc...

Corruption attempts will continue for sure, this is the nature of the human beings (greed, desire to break rules, etc), but without a well-established mechanism of the bribery, it can be easily spotted. With the current political/government system, where lobbyism, donations, favoritism do exist and legal, it is almost impossible to distinguish a bribery from a legit financial transaction.

 

Because of the randomness of the selection, most of the people that will work in the governments won’t be from wealthy families, so it will be almost impossible to them to hide a graft or dark/corrupted deals.

Moreover, people who were selected (and chose to be our representors) have to provide full financial reports/disclosures and will be requested to quit/close their existing businesses, freeze all personal or business financial accounts and to move (alone, without his/her family) to a government lodgment (a standard apartment near the working place) to live there and to serve the country (people/us) during next 3 years.

 

3. Legal and lawmaking system must be simplified. It is impossible to completely understand the legal law texts now, because they are so complicated (intentionally entangled), therefore out of touch with reality. Mostly, those laws were created by elites/lobbyists on purpose to favor/cover-up their superiority/special interests, to suppress and to keep in fear the freeborn people.

The judges should be selected for 3 years too via the same process. No lifetime work as a judge must be allowed. No one or 3 judges courts must be allowed to prevent corruption and injustice. Only 12 representors can rule every case by quorum. The same conditions applied for their retirement as above.

 

”Statutory Law” must not be used to evaluate lawsuits/clams where freeborn people involved. Only “Common Law” can be applied for such cases, based on “do no harm” principles. The institute of a fictitious “person” entity, that represents a freeborn breathing and living man in courts now, must be dissolved as a deceiving and deluding structure.

 

The government must provide (free of charge) to its citizens new confirmations of birth and identification for each man, women and child. Those confirmations must acknowledge that citizens were born as freeborn human beings. Therefore they cannot be sued under the “Statutory Law” and that there is no debt in any form is assigned to them by the government or other organizations/companies, etc... All old birth certificates/passports/IDs/Driver licenses, etc.. that were issued for “persons” aka “artificial entities” must be destroyed.

 

Expressions/words with religious background or religious “hidden” meaning/message, for example: person, register, money, ministers, ministry, clerk, judge, court, etc.., that are in use now in the governments protocols/day-to-day operations and procedures must be replaced with new appropriate words without religious background or hidden meanings/messages.

 

All use of symbolism in/on the government buildings, clothing, utilities, documents, day-to-day operations, protocols, etc… must be prohibited/removed as disturbing and energetically dangerous artefacts (representors of interdimensional entities). Religions must be excluded completely from the governments operations/activities.

 

4. The financial system must not be based on debt, as it is now, when the governments assign debt for every citizen to the rest of his/her life, after they log this man/woman/child in the state record. We are not supposed to know that.

Based on this debt the governments issuing treasuries/bonds/loans/money/currencies and injecting them in into the system on different levels of equity supply. Therefore, the citizens (basically slaves) must work and pay this debt back to the governments/banks/elite their entire lives.

This debt has no real value inside, only possible future work/products/fruits.

This is our society now – pure slavery.

 

Instead, this system must be built on existing assets and productivity (creation of additional goods and services, or real grow). An additional equity supply must be created based only on real and existed, produced in the country goods, services and assets. This is not a slave society, but a productive and inventive system, founded on entrepreneurship, initiative, innovations, freedom of choice and will.

Debt/interests leads to inflation (you can buy less with your equity in the future), financial bubbles and financial/psychological enslavement of the population.

 

Productivity leads to deflation (you can buy more with your equity in the future) and financial freedom/wealth increase of the population.

Governments, banks or any other financial institutions must not be allowed to issue and collect interests on loans, to use fractional reserves systems and multipliers, to create money from the thin air, to give loans or leveraged loans based on clients’ funds/accounts. There must be no central, international, or world banks. Banks and other financial institutions must not be allowed to lend equity to the government.

 

Banks are an ancient form (with deep religious roots) of keeping/distributing of money/currencies in slave societies. They have no rights to lend-out the funds that we put on their accounts without our permission, because it is not their equity, they have no rights to create equity from nothing, then collect interests on it and take real assets (houses/land/goods, etc) away from the borrowers based on those “fake credits”. But they still doing it, because we allowing them.

 

In fact, we can get rid of banks as intermediaries completely.

All commercial, private and government projects should be funded via crowdfunding and open public auctions.

 

No financial derivatives like indexes, ETFs, interest rates, bonds, swaps, futures, treasuries, options, etc… must be allowed for trading on the official financial/stock markets or internationally. Not for the government, commercial/non-commercial entities, or private individuals. Those deceiving financial instruments must be removed from the markets completely, because they inflating, deluding the markets and used for illegal price manipulations. The derivatives (fake) markets are in hundreds if not thousands times bigger than a real value of the economy in the USA, UK, Canada, Australia, etc… This situation was allowed by the governments/elite on purpose, to create financial crises and wealth redistribution at their will.

 

When they pulling money from those markets (basically by reducing the amount of zeros on their computers) they taking the stock market of the real companies together with it, so the retail investors loosing real money (their savings/houses/land/assets/wealth), not “fake” money that the governments/financial institutions/banks have created from the thin air and have streamed it into the markets via their “insiders” like Clintons, Bushes, JP Morgan, Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sash, BlackRock, City Group, Bank Of America, Wells Fargo, etc… That is the real reason behind those derivatives.

 

Present derivatives markets must be closed/frozen and the funds (99.99999% of them were created unlawfully by the banks and corrupted governments) must be used to payback the governments debts/deficits and the rest must be divided between the citizens proportionally, according to their current financial situation, to level up and to close the gap between the rich and the poor.

 

Prices of the stocks must be returned to the real fundamentals of the companies, after independent audits (how productive they are, what real additional goods and services they produce, what real assets and liabilities they have…). Fake and artificially blown companies must be dissolved/reduced (invested funds from retail investors must be returned to the investors, if the legitimacy of the funds was confirmed by an independent external audit.

 

The funds from the financial institutions that were created from the thin air must be frozen and used to payback national/international debt, deficits and the rest has to be redistributed between all citizens proportionally to their financial situation. No leveraged stock trading and no “naked” sales of the stocks must be allowed.

 

No commercial bankruptcy must be allowed, because it leads to irresponsible projects/financial plans, impunity, funds/money-grubbing schemes, intentional funds wasting, corruption, bribery, etc… Every commercial owner must be personally responsible for the losses.

No SPACs must be allowed.

 

Import/export/domestic and international equity policies must be beneficial for the country.

 

5. The educational system must be reformed.

The energetic form of our reality, how to interact with the informational/consciousness field, how to protect yourself from energetic attacks, NLP, or other forms of psychological and perceptual manipulations by humans/religions/governments/interdimensional entities, etc… must be explained as soon as children could understand those concepts. 

 

Financial structure of the country/world, how the money/currency are created/used/distributed/working, investments must be explained to children also.

More right brain hemisphere activities must be implemented, that develop intuition, sensitivity, empathy, sympathy, artistic talents, freedom of thoughts, choice and will…

 

Personal score exams must be replaced with a group interaction/cooperation games where children learn how to collaborate with each other, how to lead, how to help to the others, how to set and achieve short/long-term goals, respect integrity and timing.

Because personal score exams keeping children in the state of fear, suppressing their talents/nature, transforming them into computerized mindless brainwashed biological robots/computers/machines that can only follow/respect/obey the rulers’ orders and authority.

 

Those are some of the primary changes we have to make in order to take our world and power back.

[Enlil]

On 3/27/2021 at 9:28 PM, Grumpy Owl said:

I think while we have this current system of government we do need political parties.

 

But what we do need more are genuine political parties who sit outside of the current Establishment.

 

And we also need to find a way for the masses to become aware of these 'other' political parties, and to get out and vote for their candidates.

 

Nothing will ever change while the majority of people continue to blindly vote for the 'traditional' Establishment political parties and their lackey candidates, and while the Establishment media continue to fuel the perception that a vote for any 'non-Establishment' party is somehow a 'wasted' vote.

 

The political parties are compromised from the beginning. There is no way this system will ever work correctly. Because it is just an illusion of choice and a deceiving/dividing instrument of the elites/religions. The whole concept is wrong in its roots. Read the words: "political parties" (meaning polarized chunks of the society). They separating us to rule us, this is exactly what the elite wants. Can't you see?

Edited March 31, 2021 by Enlil

[rideforever]

This is all marxist manifesto.

Everything become "democracy" and the sheep roll into the polling booths and instead of voting for parties they vote instead on "issues" a whole list of issues.

And this is "direct democracy".

And what happens is that people do exactly what either the BBC or Russell Brand said yesterday.

 

Such ideas come up during the decline of a society when there is enough plastic money and moral degeneracy around so everyone gives up and the society starts to slide.  I think it says that in the Kali Yuga there will be no more schools, just hospitals.

 

Freedom is something that comes from effort, wisdom, education, leadership and so on.  If society stops all you will see is violence.  Society is 3 meals away from civil war it is said.

 

I used to have those left wing dreams of direct democracy.

But I see now that humans are .... you see what it is with people walking around with their joggers round their arse and teaching kids transexualism ... this is exactly what they will do.

And whilst the plastic money continues to flow everyone can get drunk.

Then it will stop because someone will call in a debt and not be satisfied with plastic money.

Then society will stop go into a police state, and then it will collapse and large numbers of people will die.

 

And then one day a society which is "relatively normal" will start again.  And that society will work in the only way a society can work which is ... man is man, woman is woman, everyone does there job and does their best and tries to support their leaders.  Only this kind of society can work.   And in Britain were people are so rich ... they are only rich because their ancestors lived like that.

 

But ... the problem is of course, corruption lying and stupidity.  Well human beings on Earth are at this slender level of consciousness.  It's pretty ugly and unhappy.

But let's say between hell and heaven there is a place, a world, where there is enough light for it to look like a good place ... but if you look closely you see a lot of corruption.   This is our world.

How to live here?
Try to be good, make progress, don't be naive, forgive others their debts, move on.

It won't last forever.

 

[Enlil]

On 3/31/2021 at 10:07 AM, rideforever said:

And that society will work in the only way a society can work which is ... man is man, woman is woman, everyone does there job and does their best and tries to support their leaders. 

 

 

Right: "...to support their leaders".... That is the problem. What do we need the leaders for?

To lead us where?

Are we idiots or completely blind that we cannot administrate our own lives?

Haven't we learned from the history at all?

Leaders = psychopaths/sociopaths = tyranny = slavery. ALWAYS, without exceptions.

 

+300.000.000 people killed by the governments aka "leaders" during the last century voting for that.

 

Is it not enough for us to see that the idea to give our power away for somebody to rule (lead) us has evil roots and completely false in its core? 

Because when you delegate your rights to other people willingly/unwillingly, you became nothing more but their property that can be literally sold, trade, exchanged, destroyed at their will. And your freedom, independence, sovereignty is gone.

 

Don't we understand that this concept that we need governments/rulers was planted into our minds/education by elite (religions) throughout the millennia to make us amenable, to enslave us and to parasitize on our labor/energy?

 

How many more people should be killed by the governments so we will finally comprehend their true malicious nature?

Billions?

Well, when it will come to reality it will be too late for us for sure...

[Seconal]

I've been to many parties in my life. Birthday parties, Engagement parties, house warming parties even a divorce party but there is nothing more abhorrent to the human soul than a Political Party.

[jupiter]

  

On 3/31/2021 at 3:07 PM, rideforever said:

 

 

Freedom is something that comes from effort, wisdom, education, leadership and so on.  

 

 

 

@rideforever 

absolut nonsense statement , ....  have you ever looked at the sky and thought what do you see , was it difficult to understand whats there and whats here ? .... 

 

even i can find sometime  some good reasonable  points in your comments worth of bit thinking but then right afterwards you absolutely contradict and conflict with  your own statements  and make it half stupid , .......

 

and then another thing with that kind of half intel promo publishing  , ....

better slowdown before you crash and calculate quantum  mathematics better  ,... on some things  you are lets say  half right but another half is totally on a wrong road , ..... but  its easy to  understand why its like that because present political environment is making huge profits by spreading disinformation as false education  , confusing and destabilizing human intelligence and senses and having humanity on wrong road ,........ 

 

you shouldnt even let yourself so easy to talk about understanding science , marxism or democracy ,  because it seems there is scientifically more to it then you comprehend  at this moment , ....... for start , try to Imagine as John Lennon said , and remember that anything you imagine is already there before you thought about it  .

 

.......... good things are not problem , ... problem are  bad things as politically, economically , scientifically  and religiously organized crime and criminal private  interest thinking  that integrates into good things ,...... and then it corrupts good things and conducts criminal multidimensional environment .

like united slaveowners moneyprinting and their criminal wolfstreet government program unions building extraterrestrial empires by surfing on human blood and energy  ,

and thats the only employment program freedom that genetically advertised lower class as slaves , castle servants and  working class people can ever  get  by highly recommended educated vampire empire  leadership of horny satanic capital cult ritual  sacrificing the friendly  lambs and innocent .

 

,........  but maybe  its true as you said  that some peoples   thinking like yours needs education  to see proper view perspective and understand  physics of universe and natural infinity of cosmic space creation as freedom capacity there before human was created  , ... 

  

Edited April 28, 2021 by jupiter

[jupiter]

On 3/31/2021 at 3:07 PM, rideforever said:

 

 

Freedom is something that comes from effort, wisdom, education, leadership and so on. 

 

 

 

and what do i mean , ....  here is effort , wisdom , education, leadership and so on  : 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 28, 2021 by jupiter