Family Pressure and Division

[old-timer]

Luckily for me, in my household at least both my husband and I are on the same page regarding CV.

 

We haven't had the flu jab for years anyway because we both have adverse reactions to it so this is what I have been telling my immediate family outside of my household.

 

I had sent them all a link to the Drs speaking out video several months ago and had negative responses so I've not bothered since.

 

Last night I got messages from my son pressuring us to get the vaccine almost blackmailing. I haven't told my husband or he'll go mad.

 

I won't give in even if he doesn't see me again, in principle!

 

I'm so sick of all this, David Icke is so lucky his sons agree with him. 

 

Anyone else with family pressures or division?

 

 

[Foggy Dewhurst]

Perhaps worth pointing out that "freedom" is,like nostalgia, not what it used to be.

 

Even after the jabs the masking and the unsocial distancing will continue.

 

They will gaslight with the promise of a return to normal once everyone is on the conveyor belt of eternal injections to cause further division,only to move the goalposts again.

 

The Covyhoax was designed for the vax rollout,not vice versa.

 

Question:Why the drug cartels have immunity from any prosecution from any proven injury or condition following their poison?

 

Question:Why the disparity in criteria for diagnosis-

 

Any death within 60 days of positive covy test,including with premorbidities= Covid Death,other issues are a coincidence.

 

Any death within 60 days of jab= Coincidence due to premorbidities.

 

 

 

 

[Mikheil]

My wife and daughter are in complete agreement and not one of us will ever take "The Jab". If anyone tries to force any one of us, there will be bloodshed. They may kill us, but I guarantee you that we will take a few with us.

[old-timer]

That's just how dh and I feel Mikheil

[ItsTheTruthThough]

I’m so sorry you’re in this position! Must be even worse when it’s making things difficult between a child and parent. I’m glad you are sticking to your guns, sadly, your son is so way off the mark and in for a nasty shock if he things bowing to medical tyranny will give him his freedom. Personally if that were me, I would send him a link to the official VAERS webiste showing the death and harm the jab is causing, and another to Geert Vanden Bossche too vaccinology experts warning to the world about the dangers of the vaccine. He can not argue with official documented evidence and unlikely to question a top expert (who so far hasn’t been discredited for speaking out!) and then leave it there. 
 

I am having some of my own struggles with family. Thankfully my partner too is in agreement with me and My children are still school aged and homeschooled so not old enough to have been brainwashed with the narrative and listening to me. I’ve got a few family members to listen to me but others I know aren’t happy with my thoughts and I’m most upset about my sister and her family. I get brushed off as a conspiracy theorist and I don’t know how things are going to go in the future in terms of if they feel ‘safe’ being around the unvaccinated so will have to see how that unfolds as the madness does!

[old-timer]

2 hours ago, ItsTheTruthThough said:

I’m so sorry you’re in this position! Must be even worse when it’s making things difficult between a child and parent. I’m glad you are sticking to your guns, sadly, your son is so way off the mark and in for a nasty shock if he things bowing to medical tyranny will give him his freedom. Personally if that were me, I would send him a link to the official VAERS webiste showing the death and harm the jab is causing, and another to Geert Vanden Bossche too vaccinology experts warning to the world about the dangers of the vaccine. He can not argue with official documented evidence and unlikely to question a top expert (who so far hasn’t been discredited for speaking out!) and then leave it there. 
 

I am having some of my own struggles with family. Thankfully my partner too is in agreement with me and My children are still school aged and homeschooled so not old enough to have been brainwashed with the narrative and listening to me. I’ve got a few family members to listen to me but others I know aren’t happy with my thoughts and I’m most upset about my sister and her family. I get brushed off as a conspiracy theorist and I don’t know how things are going to go in the future in terms of if they feel ‘safe’ being around the unvaccinated so will have to see how that unfolds as the madness does!

 

I had to come to terms with the fact that went and got the vaccine without mentioning it to me, not that he would have listened. They know it all don't they!

 

I guess he's due for the second one soon and I'm just waiting for the phone call?

 

He told me that they had told him the 21 days between shots was now extended to give more people time to get the first one? I just bet they are!

 

I have to keep telling myself he's an adult, he's made his mind up but to keep trying to push my hubby and I to have it, I don't want to fall out with him but if he keeps forcing the issue ... 

 

He works in IT and hes been working on software for the NHS appointments systems but he also mentioned something else last night.

 

I didn't enquire further because I didn't want to get into it with him ...

 

Edited March 18, 2021 by old-timer
tidy up

[ItsTheTruthThough]

1 hour ago, old-timer said:

 

I had to come to terms with the fact that went and got the vaccine without mentioning it to me, not that he would have listened. They know it all don't they!

 

I guess he's due for the second one soon and I'm just waiting for the phone call?

 

He told me that they had told him the 21 days between shots was now extended to give more people time to get the first one? I just bet they are!

 

I have to keep telling myself he's an adult, he's made his mind up but to keep trying to push my hubby and I to have it, I don't want to fall out with him but if he keeps forcing the issue ... 

 

He works in IT and hes been working on software for the NHS appointments systems but he also mentioned something else last night.

 

I didn't enquire further because I didn't want to get into it with him ...

 

Well, that’s slightly unnerving! Same with all these DNR forms being given without consent or knowledge of family and the government needing someone to develop AI to process the high number of expected adverse reactions to the jabs - unbelievable. 
 

My friends husbands mother was pressuring her son very hard to get the jab, just like your son, but sadly he caved in and he really didn’t want to have it. They all think they are doing the right thing and i don’t understand how they can really not stop to think how a rushed experimental jab is needed for a mild virus. My mother listened to me and turned down her jab but she has family members every other day calling her pleading to get the jab, saying everything from ‘you’ll die if you don’t’ to ‘don’t listen to the bad stuff (about the jab) only listen to the good stuff’

 

I think the more silent you are though, the more he will push and hassle you to take it. I found the more I tried to tell my sister, the more she completely avoids the subject now with me lol. It’s so tough. I’m so annoyed how the government employ psychologists exactly to get people to behave this way in a fear based state so they can’t think.

[Fluke]

I'm sorry to hear this.

 

If he is blackmailing you then a hard decision might have to come. If by whats said by the texts, he might just be worried for you, after buying the lies of the media. 

 

If he has asked you a question and he does not like the answer then i am afraid that is his problem and not yours. Tell him to mind his own buisness? You know your son better than anyone. It might be coming from a good place. 

 

Unfortunately this is crunch time. The authorities need to be told where to go, and unfortunately some of our relationships will suffer. They likewise need to be in certain situations told where to go. Your freedom of choice shouldn't inpact on whether or not he sees you again. 

 

The way you described it sounds coercive and blackmail is basically abuse. I wouldn't be around someone that is abusive, family or not. 

 

Sorry if that sounded harsh it isn't personal.  Looking at the texts again he is probably worried. Could you not try giving him a stern talk on the phone as texts can be misread and can sometimes come off passive aggressive as you cant read the tone of the voice. Basically tell him what you told us here? Then he knows (which it clearly is) its coming from a good place and that you dont want to fall out. But you feel strongly about this. 

 

 

 

[shadowmoon]

My parents refuse to have it, sister already now had it and brother is wavering, though I said be careful and think it through. 

Gf kind of wavering I told her it was made from aborted cloned cells which put her off somewhat.

[Athenry04]

It's rough man, I know I will probs never see my siblings again, but I'll go to the grave before I consent, fuck my life not been amazing, but if I can get one thing right it will be this, every inch of me knows this is shit. My partner is of the same mind, and my baby daughter wasn't vaccinated at birth, and over my corpse will she have this. Hopefully it won't come to it.

[Mikheil]

Good for you. I gave up on 'friends' and family, long ago. If people are so fucking stupid, I don't want to associate with them friends or not.

 

I had a cousin, who hunted me down through Ancestry.com. Ancestry have a LOT of things that are wrong. I'm sure they thought I wasn't married and was living alone on some big farm in SA, and if they could pitch up as my only relatives, they could clean up once 'the silly old bastard' kicked it.

 

Once they found out I was married and had a daughter, they couldn't even be bothered to answer my emails, so I told them the truth and they were very unimpressed. Never contacted me again - What a blessing!

[old-timer]

18 hours ago, Fluke said:

I'm sorry to hear this.

 

If he is blackmailing you then a hard decision might have to come. If by whats said by the texts, he might just be worried for you, after buying the lies of the media. 

 

If he has asked you a question and he does not like the answer then i am afraid that is his problem and not yours. Tell him to mind his own buisness? You know your son better than anyone. It might be coming from a good place. 

 

Unfortunately this is crunch time. The authorities need to be told where to go, and unfortunately some of our relationships will suffer. They likewise need to be in certain situations told where to go. Your freedom of choice shouldn't inpact on whether or not he sees you again. 

 

The way you described it sounds coercive and blackmail is basically abuse. I wouldn't be around someone that is abusive, family or not. 

 

Sorry if that sounded harsh it isn't personal.  Looking at the texts again he is probably worried. Could you not try giving him a stern talk on the phone as texts can be misread and can sometimes come off passive aggressive as you cant read the tone of the voice. Basically tell him what you told us here? Then he knows (which it clearly is) its coming from a good place and that you dont want to fall out. But you feel strongly about this. 

 

 

 

Thanks Fluke,

it's crap for so many people right now thanks to the lying government!

 

I'm bewildered that they can't see the lies. I wonder just how many couples and families have been broken apart because of this?

 

One of my sister's has also had the jab, what can you do?

 

OT

[Fluke]

19 minutes ago, old-timer said:

Thanks Fluke,

it's crap for so many people right now thanks to the lying government!

 

I'm bewildered that they can't see the lies. I wonder just how many couples and families have been broken apart because of this?

 

One of my sister's has also had the jab, what can you do?

 

OT

Its awful. Lots of people have been dealing with the same thing. I haven't spoke to an elderly relative since she had a go at me last year back in late april.

 

I basically rang her up to see if she needed anything, then she asked me what i thought. I downplayed it, more so to calm her down. "Well you know the media, trying to make a drama its probably not that bad". I then surprisingly to me on the receiving end of her shouting at me, saying i am "one of those conspiracy theorists". Taking on board, I didn't even intend to give her my opinion, and actually self censored. What am i supposed to do, be hysterical and scared to an old lady in her 80s? Or calm her down. I did the later. 

 

Very strange and that was before the mass hysteria was noticable so i didn't have time to read the mood. I just wanted to give her a quick call to see if she was okay. I never even got a "thanks". Just "no no i am fine i have got so and so". 

 

My dad and uncle have both signed up to the jab, much to my amazement. Because they have been more on "our side" of the fence.

 

Its quite scary really. 

 

 

[shadowmoon]

16 minutes ago, Fluke said:

Its awful. Lots of people have been dealing with the same thing. I haven't spoke to an elderly relative since she had a go at me last year back in late april.

 

I basically rang her up to see if she needed anything, then she asked me what i thought. I downplayed it, more so to calm her down. "Well you know the media, trying to make a drama its probably not that bad". I then surprisingly to me on the receiving end of her shouting at me, saying i am "one of those conspiracy theorists". Taking on board, I didn't even intend to give her my opinion, and actually self censored. What am i supposed to do, be hysterical and scared to an old lady in her 80s? Or calm her down. I did the later. 

 

Very strange and that was before the mass hysteria was noticable so i didn't have time to read the mood. I just wanted to give her a quick call to see if she was okay. I never even got a "thanks". Just "no no i am fine i have got so and so". 

 

My dad and uncle have both signed up to the jab, much to my amazement. Because they have been more on "our side" of the fence.

 

Its quite scary really. 

 

 

I read of people who get a text and think they then 'have' to have it.

It really shouldn't by now, but it still shocks me, the simple compliance.

[Grumpy Owl]

We are often reminded about how having the vaccine is not 'compulsory' or 'mandatory'.

 

If that is truly the case, then it is surely the individual's 'choice' as to whether they have the vaccine or not.

 

But what disturbs me, is the effect that the 'behavioural messaging' is having on many people.

 

Those who get their jib-jab, and then announce it on social media are then lauded by others, "good for you", "well done!" etc

 

Those same people then start sharing 'messages' along the lines of "I've had mine, you should too", or "I've done my duty", "I'm doing my part to beat this!" etc etc.

 

Worse than that are those who start asking you "when are you getting yours?" or "why haven't you had yours yet?"

 

COERCION.

 

Social engineering.

 

Peer pressure.

 

"I've had my jab, I'm a good person because I CARE about others, when are YOU going to do the same?"

 

OBEY!

 

The vaccine is NOT compulsory or mandatory, but people WILL be compelled to have it.

[CrowintheSnow]

The argument that those who are unvaccinated are a danger to those who HAVE been vaccinated is the biggest load of tosh ever.

 Billions of people want to have it. They think they'll be safe if they get vaxxed.
Otherwise there'd be no point to it at all, right?

So why the heck are they so scared of anyone who hasn't been vaccinated?
It makes absolutely zero logical sense.

That's what the measles vaccine idea is based on: it means if you come up against measles virus,. don 't worry, you won't catch it because you had the vaccine! Same with any other vaccine.

Why would this be any different? I have never HEARD anyone talk like that before re: vaccines

There has to be something more going on with all that emotional pressure in families, among friends, etc

[Mikheil]

6 minutes ago, CrowintheSnow said:

The argument that those who are unvaccinated are a danger to those who HAVE been vaccinated is the biggest load of tosh ever.

 Billions of people want to have it. They think they'll be safe if they get vaxxed.
Otherwise there'd be no point to it at all, right?

So why the heck are they so scared of anyone who hasn't been vaccinated?
It makes absolutely zero logical sense.

That's what the measles vaccine idea is based on: it means if you come up against measles virus,. don 't worry, you won't catch it because you had the vaccine! Same with any other vaccine.

Why would this be any different? I have never HEARD anyone talk like that before re: vaccines

There has to be something more going on with all that emotional pressure in families, among friends, etc

The simple answer is that vaccines DO NOT protect you. Even if you've had a vaccine, it's still possible to get sick. The truth is that vaccines contain mercury, aluminum, rat brain cells, bits of unborn foetus and who knows what else.

 

Since Pharma was given a green light NOT to test vaccines, by indemnifying them against all claims, Autism, Diabetes, HIV, Obesity, Cancer . . . the list goes on and on. They don't give a shit. They are getting rich on the drugs they produce to treat the side effects of the vaccines and the side effects of those drugs as well.

 

The drug dealer prescribes an anti-depressant. He can't be bothered to read the 4 point print inside to see that one of the side effects is "Thoughts of Suicide" or another "Cranial Hemorrhage". They give a girl who has no sexual feeling at all, fucking birth control pills.. They prescribe pill containing paracetamol to someone allergic to it. Despite the fact it's on their medical record. They just can't be bothered to look it up. It's not their job. All they have to do is prescribe the latest crap the salesman from Pharma told them. It' on his calendar, in his free diary he gets from the Pharma. Why should he bother to think and often even listen to what his "patient" is telling him.

 

Everyone thought that some of the comments made by Bernadette in The Big Bang Theory about medicines, was hilariously funny. It was, but the sad thing is that it's also the TRUTH.

[bamboozooka]

my petrified mum wanted the jab, my dad didn't.

they made a PACT to both have it.

says it all in my  opinion.

 

i told my dad my child would be taken out of school if they insist on the vax.

he implied i'm sacrificing my childs education for being stubborn.

last time i looked the last 2 years of school kids have had their exams cancelled. so much for education.

[CrowintheSnow]

1 hour ago, Mikheil said:

The simple answer is that vaccines DO NOT protect you. Even if you've had a vaccine, it's still possible to get sick. The truth is that vaccines contain mercury, aluminum, rat brain cells, bits of unborn foetus and who knows what else.

I know that, you know that, most of us here know  and anyone who has investigated vaccines knows that. True.

I'm looking at it from the "mainstream thinking" point of view for a minute, and from that way of thinking, if the vaccine is supposed to be our saviour (as most of the population have been brainwashed to believe) -then what I'm saying is, from  their viewpoint the magic vaccine is there to protect them (greatly if not 100%) So why should they be scared of being with someone who wasn't vaccinated?

I just don't get why the vaccinated should have any worries about all those who hadn't had the jab.

Coming from that brainwashed mainstream thinking point of view, then the whole "Refuseniks are endangering me and my family by refusing the vaccine"  makes no sense to me.

1 hour ago, Mikheil said:

They prescribe pill containing paracetamol to someone allergic to it. Despite the fact it's on their medical record. They just can't be bothered to look it up. It's not their job. All they have to do is prescribe the latest crap the salesman from Pharma told them. It' on his calendar, in his free diary he gets from the Pharma. Why should he bother to think and often even listen to what his "patient" is telling him.

Yes, and on that note, re dogs: I had a dog who survived Parvo. A certain vet clinic treated her (before I rescued her) They had medical records on that dog.

She was naturally immune. (were they so dumb they didn't know how immunity works?)

 

They vaccinated her for Parvo . It made her seriously ill within about 12 hours and she was ill for 4 days. I thought she was going to die.  A fit athletic happy healthy dog one day ....vaccinated....desperately ill within hours.

The vet denied her illness had anything to do with the vaccine but it was obviously related.  I assumed they knew she had natural immunity but nope.

She did recover very well. I got titer testing for her from then on. Titers on Distemper, Parvo, Hepatitis all sound for the rest of her life!

The bastards would have given her boosters every year, all unnecessarily.

Evil if you ask me. Fortunately I wised up, and she was a strong girl.

 

[Mikheil]

7 hours ago, CrowintheSnow said:

I know that, you know that, most of us here know  and anyone who has investigated vaccines knows that. True.

I'm looking at it from the "mainstream thinking" point of view for a minute, and from that way of thinking, if the vaccine is supposed to be our saviour (as most of the population have been brainwashed to believe) -then what I'm saying is, from  their viewpoint the magic vaccine is there to protect them (greatly if not 100%) So why should they be scared of being with someone who wasn't vaccinated?

I just don't get why the vaccinated should have any worries about all those who hadn't had the jab.

Coming from that brainwashed mainstream thinking point of view, then the whole "Refuseniks are endangering me and my family by refusing the vaccine"  makes no sense to me.

Yes, and on that note, re dogs: I had a dog who survived Parvo. A certain vet clinic treated her (before I rescued her) They had medical records on that dog.

She was naturally immune. (were they so dumb they didn't know how immunity works?)

 

They vaccinated her for Parvo . It made her seriously ill within about 12 hours and she was ill for 4 days. I thought she was going to die.  A fit athletic happy healthy dog one day ....vaccinated....desperately ill within hours.

The vet denied her illness had anything to do with the vaccine but it was obviously related.  I assumed they knew she had natural immunity but nope.

She did recover very well. I got titer testing for her from then on. Titers on Distemper, Parvo, Hepatitis all sound for the rest of her life!

The bastards would have given her boosters every year, all unnecessarily.

Evil if you ask me. Fortunately I wised up, and she was a strong girl.

 

The above is absolutely true, one of the reasons that I changed careers.

 

They have also completely ruined the temperament of dogs. In places following the regime of the UK Kennel Club, you can breed from fear biters, or dogs which have no 'defense mechanism' or dogs which have demonstrated a propensity for biting children or their owners. No one cares. You pay the exorbitant fees to register your puppies and no one gives a fuck.

 

It isn't important if your Maltese or Chihuahua suddenly decides to take over and attacks the owner or their child. some people think it's funny. But breeds such a Dobermanns, German Shepherds, Rottweilers and Working dogs in general can do a lot of damage and even kill. The sad truth is that people buy dogs with a complete disregard as to the reason they were bred.

 

Now over here in Germany, it's the exact opposite and it's the same for every country that follows the FCI / SV guidelines (we are talking dogs used for police, military, and protection). The SV have the most rigorous regime anywhere in the world, covering the breeding of German Shepherds. It's a complete Dictatorship, with so many hoops to jump through. As a result, you would imagine that only the very best would be from Germany - WRONG.

 

Despite all the X-rays, Hip Dysplasia is just as rife today as it was 50 years ago. Without even considering the "vaccination diseases". Dogs have been bred as PETS, all aggression and natural defensive / offensive traits have been carefully bred out. Fifty years ago, most of the dogs used by the Police and Military, were German Shepherds. Today, most Police Forces world-wide have replaced them with the Malinois as the German Shepherd is no longer fit for purpose. I have seem with my own eyes, people being banned from a training Club because their dog showed an inclination to protect it's owner. Their entire training system is a total FARCE. I worked with military dogs for quite a few years before I changed career and if they had trained and bred their animals this way, I would have had a full time job euthanizing them 

 

Was this accidental? Did someone way up in the FCI / SV screw up? I don't think so. I think this is yet another way of disarming people. No guns, No knives, No aggressive trained attack dogs. If Governments have their way, Gyms and Martial Arts clubs will never reopen. Dr Faust and the WHO have already decreed that gyms and indoor sports should never be allowed to reopen, "because it causes heavy breathing which facilitates the spread of Covid-19".

 

The sheep will all agree and praise people like Boris for their perspicacity.

[ItsTheTruthThough]

10 hours ago, bamboozooka said:

my petrified mum wanted the jab, my dad didn't.

they made a PACT to both have it.

says it all in my  opinion.

 

i told my dad my child would be taken out of school if they insist on the vax.

he implied i'm sacrificing my childs education for being stubborn.

last time i looked the last 2 years of school kids have had their exams cancelled. so much for education.

People have an odd way of thinking! Your child’s LIFE and health is more important than a government institutional education - which like you said they have wrecked the last year of and probably more to come. Any Thinking parent who actually loves their child would do the same.

[Fluke]

On 3/19/2021 at 8:48 PM, Grumpy Owl said:

We are often reminded about how having the vaccine is not 'compulsory' or 'mandatory'.

 

If that is truly the case, then it is surely the individual's 'choice' as to whether they have the vaccine or not.

 

But what disturbs me, is the effect that the 'behavioural messaging' is having on many people.

 

Those who get their jib-jab, and then announce it on social media are then lauded by others, "good for you", "well done!" etc

 

Those same people then start sharing 'messages' along the lines of "I've had mine, you should too", or "I've done my duty", "I'm doing my part to beat this!" etc etc.

 

Worse than that are those who start asking you "when are you getting yours?" or "why haven't you had yours yet?"

 

COERCION.

 

Social engineering.

 

Peer pressure.

 

"I've had my jab, I'm a good person because I CARE about others, when are YOU going to do the same?"

 

OBEY!

 

The vaccine is NOT compulsory or mandatory, but people WILL be compelled to have it.

Got it absolutely to a T my friend. 

 

My elderly relative said today my dad has had it and has had a bad reaction. I quickly and coldly changed the subject. She just now asked if my mum has had her "call up for the vaccine". I replied nope she doesn't want it, her partner doesn't want it, and I don't want it".  My voice cracked high pitch. She replied "you won't have the chance yet". "Poor me" I replied. 

 

It's absolute hell. It's one thing being surrounded by cattle putting their trust in the butchers, but this whole thing has given them their chance to spew their retardedness on everyone. And I just wished they would leave us alone. 

 

 

I don't want to know their opinions but we are forced to hear the stupidity and utter weak, apathetic compliance. 

 

 

Sorry to rant on your thread OP. I just see weakness everywhere and it pisses me off. I'm absolutely let down by most people. Imbeciles. 

 

Edit

That's another thing as well isn't it. The media weeks back playing the game of "who will be lucky enough to get it first" and that there are 'shortages' to create a false demand. And I'm looking around me and they think I'm some kind of weirdo because I can see all the injustices not just from covid but with all the media the last 10 years and elite. 

 

If none of this shit makes you angry, even the savile scandal and all the rubbish we had to put up with Brexit whether you were remain or not, if it doesn't make you angry are you even alive? 

Edited March 20, 2021 by Fluke

[old-timer]

@ Fluke : you go ahead and rant if it helps XX

 

I was in the shop last week when the woman serving me said she thought shop workers should have been offered the vaccine first, I couldn't be bothered to even get into it, I just looked at her and continued packing my bag.

 

Everyone in my family are compliant, only myself and my husband are against all this.

I don't try to talk to anyone about it anymore, hubby and I just try to get through every day, I don't know what I would have done if I had been alone?

 

XX

[kitkat]

On 3/18/2021 at 9:12 AM, old-timer said:

Luckily for me, in my household at least both my husband and I are on the same page regarding CV.

 

We haven't had the flu jab for years anyway because we both have adverse reactions to it so this is what I have been telling my immediate family outside of my household.

 

I had sent them all a link to the Drs speaking out video several months ago and had negative responses so I've not bothered since.

 

Last night I got messages from my son pressuring us to get the vaccine almost blackmailing. I haven't told my husband or he'll go mad.

 

I won't give in even if he doesn't see me again, in principle!

 

I'm so sick of all this, David Icke is so lucky his sons agree with him. 

 

Anyone else with family pressures or division?

 

 

 

 

I can totally sympathise with what you say. I have tried talking to family and trying to get them to inform themselves but they are totally closed to anything outside the mainstream media. My daughter and I got into an argument about the 'jab', as she intends to take it. My sister has just got her first one despite me sending her links and literally begging her not to. Same with my mother who has gotten the AZ one already and goes for the 2nd one next week. My mother is now trying to pressure my brother (who I live with) who is immunocompromised to get his jab too - even though he is totally against it. On top of all of this, the local doctor surgery kept hassling my brother by repeated phonecalls, trying to wear him down, until i lost the plot and grabbed the phone off him ad ranted at them down the line and told them to fuck off and shove it up their arse. I also told them NEVER to contact either of us again about it.

To be honest, the stress of worrying about family getting this jab will probably send me into an early grave. I also have conflicted emotions about being in physical proximity to them as I am so bloody disappointed and angry at them for being so ignorant and 'virtuous'. I also worry that when I see them, they will pass something onto me if there is anything in this 'shedding' idea. Family mean everything to me, so I refuse to let the PTB take even that away, so I will suck it up and be physically close to them despite my reservations. The biggest despair I have though, is that my daughter who is pretty creative and intelligent, has fallen for the propaganda and will take the 'vaccine'. Like most parents, we spend our lives keeping them safe and now they are adults, we are dismissed as being paranoid. Right now, the thing that looms large in the immediate future is being witness to the possible 'deaths by vaccine' of the very people in my life that makes my own life worth living. Sometimes I wonder if people who know it is all crap, take the jab too, as what would be the point of living without the ones you love? It is a very depressing scenario for sure.

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I'm so sorry KitKat that your going through it too XX

One of my sister's has had the jab, I'm pretty sure my other sister will too at some point. 

 

Even if my whole family suffer consequences or worst case scenario, die, there's no way I'm going to have it and we've managed to evade tests up to now.

 

DH and I have had several letters and phone calls too trying to coerce us. I think as the weeks pass they might become more frequent?

 

I mentioned somewhere else that I have received more emotional support from like minded strangers online than family, it's sad but also uplifting.

 

Hugs XX