The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion

[Strummer101]

3 minutes ago, Basket Case said:

You missed this bit;



2) The place you visited and 'saw' with your own eyes has been rebuilt and not as it really was.

Watch this documentary by the Jewish person - David Cole - AKA - David Stein.
He also VISITED and as a Jew was able to ask questions and see parts of the  camp 'normal' people cannot...
Official History is based on Soviet accounts and rebuilt buildings..

DAVID COLE IN AUSCHWITZ FULL DOCUMENTARY 1992 
https://www.bitchute.com/video/n5E0iGQVotEb/   

 

I'll have a look!

[Guest Gone Fishing...]

17 minutes ago, Strummer101 said:

Why are you being so difficult? I am really not sure what point you are trying to make here. If I could see it, as you appreciate by now, you would receive an answer from me.

 

No, my case is rested. If you choose to ignore an answer that most fair-minded people I think could understand, so be it.

 

Plus Jerusalem famous for the best falafel.

 

 

3 times avoiding a clear question and also using your standard tactic of switcheroo - turn around...
 

What can an Atheist learn by visiting Jerusalem ? 



 

[Strummer101]

39 minutes ago, Basket Case said:

3 times avoiding a clear question and also using your standard tactic of switcheroo - turn around...
 

What can an Atheist learn by visiting Jerusalem ? 



 

Blimey......because they've got Sky Sports? There's a good Irish Bar? Someone may have once seen a vision of Brian Clough there?

 

Tell you what, once I get to go, I will report back and let you know. Deal? Hopefully you can appreciate the Holy Land vicariously. No, no problem for to me to refer to it as the Holy Land.

 

If I am unmoved, you will be the first...........but at least I will have gone.

[Guest Gone Fishing...]

1 hour ago, Strummer101 said:

I'll have a look!

My breath is bated..
 

[novymir]

3 hours ago, Strummer101 said:

Anti-Christ? I'll take that. Not so sure about Steppenwolf though.

Pobably not a fan of early ZZ Top either;

Or Jimi (Purple Haze- Jesus Saves-original title) Hendrix.

And

"... don't follow on me,,, follow on Jesus...".

 

[Strummer101]

On 8/11/2021 at 10:48 PM, Basket Case said:

You missed this bit;



2) The place you visited and 'saw' with your own eyes has been rebuilt and not as it really was.

Watch this documentary by the Jewish person - David Cole - AKA - David Stein.
He also VISITED and as a Jew was able to ask questions and see parts of the  camp 'normal' people cannot...
Official History is based on Soviet accounts and rebuilt buildings..

DAVID COLE IN AUSCHWITZ FULL DOCUMENTARY 1992 
https://www.bitchute.com/video/n5E0iGQVotEb/   

 

There was an interview that I saw once, with Dame Hilary Mantel, where she stated and I paraphrase, 'wherever I see the news, I ask myself who is telling me this, and why do they want me to believe it'.

 

This is a wise, if maybe a slightly paranoid view, but is one that I keep in mind. As here is the money-shot, you have to apply it to things that you come across that seem to back up your existing mind-set, would you agree? This, I am bound to say, I find somewhat lacking, in many contributions that I see on this site.  

 

So David Cole, a self-admitted atheist (good man!), felt he had to disguise himself as a Jew to ask questions. Had he tried asking them before do we know, and was given the brush-off? I find that doubtful, on the face of it.

 

Official history is not based on Soviet accounts, that is a palpable falsehood, even in 1992 when this film was made. This film deals with Auschwitz, mainly in isolation, but of course we know that it was but one cog in a mighty examination wheel. Disregard Auschwitz completely if you like, that will not change the fact that the Holocaust took place. It does not stand and fall on that one location and certainly does not depend on information gleaned from our wartime allies at that point in time. 

 

David Cole - a young man in 1992, full of piss and vinegar it would seem. As time passed, it appears that his views changed. He has since made films highlighting the accepted truth of the Holocaust.

 

It appears that he has been embraced by mainstream Jewish groups now.

 

He seems now to be something of a right-wing noise-maker in the States, which I imagine might account for the all-to-evident anti-Soviet bias that runs through this film. It is a leap indeed to go from disliking Uncle Joe Stalin, to blaming the whole thing on the KGB, which he nearly does at one point.    

 

The Catholic church gets a mention several times, seemingly a view that their suffering was down-played, in favour of Jews. Here's a thing - it was until the mid-1960s the official doctrine of the Catholic Church that ALL Jews remain responsible for the death of Christ. Do you think that might have something to do with the attitudes prevalent in Europe around this time? 

 

And we know, that the first treaty signed by the Nazis was with the Vatican. 

 

I share one important fact we David Stein - we have both visited. He at least had the courage of his convictions, to go and see.

 

He asserts that the 'tour' takes you to certain places, and not others. When we visited, we were deposited at the gates, and were then essentially free to wander, with plentiful staff on hand to direct as required.

 

What you must appreciate, I am sure you know this already, was that the original Auschwitz is in fact old Polish barracks, or something similar, converted to hold detainees. That is why we have a pool, theatre, etc. No mystery, unless you choose to see one.

 

The commentary insists that after seeing a few photos of atrocities, that visitors will be 'emotionally primed to believe anything'. I find that condescending, in the extreme.

 

The eyewitness accounts are dismissed throughout, as they are certainly inconvenient for any denier. The trouble is, they remain just that - eyewitnesses, and impossible to counter by dismissing them as 'KGB propaganda'.

 

He insists that there is no documentation, to back up the 'Final Solution' Again, it should not need to be said that this is incorrect. My previous clip from Yanis Varoufakis sums it up nicely, when he said that the Nazis approached the Holocaust in the manner of stamp collectors - everything was meticulously recorded, and cannot be ignored just because it runs counter to your own point of view.

 

You have to take it on the chin, and re-evaluate.

 

It is asserted that 'we all know that there was a typhus epidemic.........' Do we? He shows nothing to back that up. It could well be that there was, it does not though mean that there was no Holocaust, the two can exist at the same time, in the same space.  

 

He points to one aerial photo, that does not show 'people being gassed', I think those were the exact words......well if that's the best you've got David.

 

Gas chamber. We did not go in a gas chamber when we visited, we saw an oven as Auschwitz 1, and went inside that. The main business was taking place up the road, literally a bus-ride away, at Birkenau, and there we saw.... the remains of gas chambers, dynamited by the Nazis in an attempt of course to cover up what they had been up to.  

 

You must appreciate that this camp was split between two distinct settings, the old barracks, and the newer industrial killing factory. 

 

I am no fan of US internment camps used during the last war, but to try to draw a moral equivalence between them and Nazi death camps....well again, barely worth a comment.

 

Dachau gets a mention - there was a gas chamber there, but never used. There killing was done the old-fashioned way it seems. Does that make it better?

 

I could say more I think, if I watched it again. Interesting, that he appears to have 'gone over to the other side' now?

 

 

 

 

[Strummer101]

On 8/12/2021 at 1:52 AM, novymir said:

Pobably not a fan of early ZZ Top either;

Or Jimi (Purple Haze- Jesus Saves-original title) Hendrix.

And

"... don't follow on me,,, follow on Jesus...".

 

Shame about Dusty Hill, well before his time

[novymir]

On 8/14/2021 at 3:11 PM, Strummer101 said:

Shame about Dusty Hill, well before his time

Didn't know,,, but we all gonna go eventually. I wouldn't be surprised if he( and the band) got injected "to be safe" for the tour, and that sped up his departure...

 

[novymir]

On 8/13/2021 at 6:12 AM, Strummer101 said:

There was an interview that I saw once, with Dame Hilary Mantel, where she stated and I paraphrase, 'wherever I see the news, I ask myself who is telling me this, and why do they want me to believe it'.

 

This is a wise, if maybe a slightly paranoid view, but is one that I keep in mind. As here is the money-shot, you have to apply it to things that you come across that seem to back up your existing mind-set, would you agree? This, I am bound to say, I find somewhat lacking, in many contributions that I see on this site.  

 

So David Cole, a self-admitted atheist (good man!), felt he had to disguise himself as a Jew to ask questions. Had he tried asking them before do we know, and was given the brush-off? I find that doubtful, on the face of it.

 

Official history is not based on Soviet accounts, that is a palpable falsehood, even in 1992 when this film was made. This film deals with Auschwitz, mainly in isolation, but of course we know that it was but one cog in a mighty examination wheel. Disregard Auschwitz completely if you like, that will not change the fact that the Holocaust took place. It does not stand and fall on that one location and certainly does not depend on information gleaned from our wartime allies at that point in time. 

 

David Cole - a young man in 1992, full of piss and vinegar it would seem. As time passed, it appears that his views changed. He has since made films highlighting the accepted truth of the Holocaust.

 

It appears that he has been embraced by mainstream Jewish groups now.

 

He seems now to be something of a right-wing noise-maker in the States, which I imagine might account for the all-to-evident anti-Soviet bias that runs through this film. It is a leap indeed to go from disliking Uncle Joe Stalin, to blaming the whole thing on the KGB, which he nearly does at one point.    

 

The Catholic church gets a mention several times, seemingly a view that their suffering was down-played, in favour of Jews. Here's a thing - it was until the mid-1960s the official doctrine of the Catholic Church that ALL Jews remain responsible for the death of Christ. Do you think that might have something to do with the attitudes prevalent in Europe around this time? 

 

And we know, that the first treaty signed by the Nazis was with the Vatican. 

 

I share one important fact we David Stein - we have both visited. He at least had the courage of his convictions, to go and see.

 

He asserts that the 'tour' takes you to certain places, and not others. When we visited, we were deposited at the gates, and were then essentially free to wander, with plentiful staff on hand to direct as required.

 

What you must appreciate, I am sure you know this already, was that the original Auschwitz is in fact old Polish barracks, or something similar, converted to hold detainees. That is why we have a pool, theatre, etc. No mystery, unless you choose to see one.

 

The commentary insists that after seeing a few photos of atrocities, that visitors will be 'emotionally primed to believe anything'. I find that condescending, in the extreme.

 

The eyewitness accounts are dismissed throughout, as they are certainly inconvenient for any denier. The trouble is, they remain just that - eyewitnesses, and impossible to counter by dismissing them as 'KGB propaganda'.

 

He insists that there is no documentation, to back up the 'Final Solution' Again, it should not need to be said that this is incorrect. My previous clip from Yanis Varoufakis sums it up nicely, when he said that the Nazis approached the Holocaust in the manner of stamp collectors - everything was meticulously recorded, and cannot be ignored just because it runs counter to your own point of view.

 

You have to take it on the chin, and re-evaluate.

 

It is asserted that 'we all know that there was a typhus epidemic.........' Do we? He shows nothing to back that up. It could well be that there was, it does not though mean that there was no Holocaust, the two can exist at the same time, in the same space.  

 

He points to one aerial photo, that does not show 'people being gassed', I think those were the exact words......well if that's the best you've got David.

 

Gas chamber. We did not go in a gas chamber when we visited, we saw an oven as Auschwitz 1, and went inside that. The main business was taking place up the road, literally a bus-ride away, at Birkenau, and there we saw.... the remains of gas chambers, dynamited by the Nazis in an attempt of course to cover up what they had been up to.  

 

You must appreciate that this camp was split between two distinct settings, the old barracks, and the newer industrial killing factory. 

 

I am no fan of US internment camps used during the last war, but to try to draw a moral equivalence between them and Nazi death camps....well again, barely worth a comment.

 

Dachau gets a mention - there was a gas chamber there, but never used. There killing was done the old-fashioned way it seems. Does that make it better?

 

I could say more I think, if I watched it again. Interesting, that he appears to have 'gone over to the other side' now?

 

 

 

 

You use language that implies objectivity, but all you're really doing is projecting your own bias-entrapment onto those that dispute or reject the history fabricated by the instigators and orchestrators of the multiple "holocausts" inflicted upon humanity as a whole by the criminally insane elite in service to their fake god.

Damage control.   You're just a petty gatekeeper.

 

You aren't objective or neutral at all, you don't really care about truthfulness or genuine facts.

You say you are an "athiest', but you've turned your will and your life over to an collective idea, you've made that your "god". You've invested your identity/self, your worldview, your everything into it. You are a slave, an instrument being operated by remote control by an entity that is predatory and parasitic in nature. And geuss what? Your supposed opposites, your supposed "enemies", are slaves to the same thing...

Ping-pong,,, anyone...?

 

ps; it's not "Lucifer". And Jesus never had any doubt.

What's it's name? It's generic. Artificial. Fraudulent.

 

Edited August 16, 2021 by novymir

[Strummer101]

On 8/16/2021 at 3:14 PM, novymir said:

You use language that implies objectivity, but all you're really doing is projecting your own bias-entrapment onto those that dispute or reject the history fabricated by the instigators and orchestrators of the multiple "holocausts" inflicted upon humanity as a whole by the criminally insane elite in service to their fake god.

Damage control.   You're just a petty gatekeeper.

 

You aren't objective or neutral at all, you don't really care about truthfulness or genuine facts.

You say you are an "athiest', but you've turned your will and your life over to an collective idea, you've made that your "god". You've invested your identity/self, your worldview, your everything into it. You are a slave, an instrument being operated by remote control by an entity that is predatory and parasitic in nature. And geuss what? Your supposed opposites, your supposed "enemies", are slaves to the same thing...

Ping-pong,,, anyone...?

 

ps; it's not "Lucifer". And Jesus never had any doubt.

What's it's name? It's generic. Artificial. Fraudulent.

 

Not 'bias -entrapment', just a point of view. I can't entrap anyone with my words, even if I wanted to? 

 

Yes, it is a point of view I happen to believe is the truth.

 

Mind you, I would refrain from telling me what I might or might not have invested my life into mind. I doubt that you can be certain of that, just from a few posts on an obscure website forum. Even Golden Roastie comes up short on that.

 

Hey, I do though applaud the use of music videos as a way of communication, much better that posting a photo of a bloke Jewish bloke with a big phone!

 

Especially Sympathy for the Devil, I have thrown some shapes to that over the years.

[novymir]

17 hours ago, Strummer101 said:

Not 'bias -entrapment', just a point of view. I can't entrap anyone with my words, even if I wanted to? 

 

Yes, it is a point of view I happen to believe is the truth.

 

Mind you, I would refrain from telling me what I might or might not have invested my life into mind. I doubt that you can be certain of that, just from a few posts on an obscure website forum. Even Golden Roastie comes up short on that.

 

Hey, I do though applaud the use of music videos as a way of communication, much better that posting a photo of a bloke Jewish bloke with a big phone!

 

Especially Sympathy for the Devil, I have thrown some shapes to that over the years.

There is only ONE TRUTH from which all other Truths and truths must be in accordarce and alignment with, or :they are fantasy=untruth=nothing and nowhere. One thing is unlimited-Infinite, the other is limitation and finite. One is Creative, the other is miscreative.

 

The small part of the Infinite consciousness referred to as "Lucifer", which seemingly projected itself into the unknown(and unreal)...we are fragments of("seems like being cloned/big-bang-splintered mind). Ego(fraudulent self) took over---grew...the Real original is in over it's head now---overtaken by the illusion/fantasy of separation...fear...guilt...untruth...

But It wasn't abandoned...it only seemed like it.

The story channelled:

Innocence can never be lost or destroyed. Reality and Innocence are ONE.

 

This "world" is Never Never Land= the opposite of Always Always Land(Reality).

And The Truth Shall Set Us Free

Edited August 19, 2021 by novymir

[novymir]

David Icke is starting to emphasis the nature of Self and Reality more and more...because what's coming isn't going to be pretty or fun...til it's dissolved.

The neutral zone between the 2 poles leads to TRUTH---Above and Beyond,,,before, during and after...IT IS. The 'opposites" in this "world"(dream) are 2 sides of the same coin...they are traps, they destroy the individual and hijack their mind in service to a self-serving/hostile to Real Self, artificial intelligence--egoMatrix.

One works, the other doesn't.

Edited August 19, 2021 by novymir

[novymir]

5 hours ago, novymir said:

There is only ONE TRUTH from which all other Truths and truths must be in accordarce and alignment with, or :they are fantasy=untruth=nothing and nowhere. One thing is unlimited-Infinite, the other is limitation and finite. One is Creative, the other is miscreative.

 

The small part of the Infinite consciousness referred to as "Lucifer", which seemingly projected itself into the unknown(and unreal)...we are fragments of("seems like being cloned/big-bang-splintered mind). Ego(fraudulent self) took over---grew...the Real original is in over it's head now---overtaken by the illusion/fantasy of separation...fear...guilt...untruth...

But It wasn't abandoned...it only seemed like it.

The story channelled:

Innocence can never be lost or destroyed. Reality and Innocence are ONE.

 

This "world" is Never Never Land= the opposite of Always Always Land(Reality).

And The Truth Shall Set Us Free

"Prodigal Son"

 

Edited August 19, 2021 by novymir

[skitzorat]

On 8/5/2021 at 10:47 AM, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

Can't be arsed to get into the protocols, but...

 

Temple priests:

 

 

Illuminati shite:

 

 

What's the difference?

Saw this today and knew I'd seen Temple Priests somewhere in here. I've seen all the European elite do it, but first time I've seen these two halfwits do it...

 

oh pLUease... try harder bitches, you won't be welcomed in the club...you know too much.... useful idiots, you'll be lined up against the wall and shot.

 

[Seeker]

Anyone wonder why we have such blatant tools in power? Johnson with his buffoon act to appear harmless and dumb, dementia Biden, Macron, Trudeou, Morrison, Arden making awful unpopular decisions? How did these (appearing) morons get into power... 

 

It would seem no ones able to run these governments properly, the only solution is a global government... straight out of the protocols... put apparent morons in control to create chaos, then offer the solution of global government... but oh wait, the protocols are fake, so fake we are living in it

[Pabloisawake]

(((THEY))) RULE THE EARTH. Period.