The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion

[Guest Gone Fishing...]

21 minutes ago, Strummer101 said:

Long-discredited fabrication, everyone knows this.

No.
Not everyone 'knows this' nor believes it was properly discredited.

[Strummer101]

18 hours ago, Basket Case said:

No.
Not everyone 'knows this' nor believes it was properly discredited.

To maintain now, that they are anything other than fabrications, is to betray your own personal agenda, I would suggest.

 

By the way, how many dead Jews is acceptable for you? 4.5 million? 1.5million? Or are you a denier?

 

Or do you think 6 million was actually not enough? That is the true outlook of most deniers when the surface is scratched.  

 

 

[Strummer101]

19 hours ago, Basket Case said:

Not that l was asking you, but yes to which question ? Or both of them ?

l've been to Prague, Warsaw, Budapest, Krakow and many other places in Eastern Europe, many times....
You're not the only one who's been around.
 

Did you walk around with your eyes closed?

 

Interesting that you have visited Krakow, but I am assuming made the conscious choice not to take the trip to Auschwitz? It's not a barrel of laughs, but it is an essential requirement, if you are in the neighbourhood.

Edited June 29, 2021 by Strummer101

[oddsnsods]

 

 

[Weedo]

1 hour ago, Strummer101 said:

To maintain now, that they are anything other than fabrications, is to betray your own personal agenda, I would suggest.

 

By the way, how many dead Jews is acceptable for you? 4.5 million? 1.5million? Or are you a denier?

 

Or do you think 6 million was actually not enough? That is the true outlook of most deniers when the surface is scratched.  

 

 

What does objective statistics and mathematics have to do with subjective racism? Have you counted the 6,000,000 bodies yourself and made sure that they are Jewish? 

 

Or is it that not believing the media  blindly means you are a bad person? 

[Guest Gone Fishing...]

For my reference only

[Strummer101]

On 6/29/2021 at 12:21 PM, Weedo said:

What does objective statistics and mathematics have to do with subjective racism? Have you counted the 6,000,000 bodies yourself and made sure that they are Jewish? 

 

Or is it that not believing the media  blindly means you are a bad person? 

Not objective though is it....we all understand the message behind the message, as I mentioned above. 

 

When does is cease to become a holocaust, on your abacus? Give me a number.

 

Or was 6 million not enough for you perhaps? I prefer honestly on this subject, let's get to it.

 

[Strummer101]

17 minutes ago, Basket Case said:

For my reference only

 

[Weedo]

11 minutes ago, Strummer101 said:

Not objective though is it....we all understand the message behind the message, as I mentioned above. 

 

When does is cease to become a holocaust, on your abacus? Give me a number.

 

Or was 6 million not enough for you perhaps? I prefer honestly on this subject, let's get to it.

 

Numbers and figures aren't a matter of emotional inclinations, but should be based on simple numbers and factors involved. 

 

Holocaust means burnt offering, doesn't it? And it's a religious term from the old Testament. To me this word is subjective and I'm not Jewish, so why ask me? I'd rather stick to things like tables:

 

This table (can be Excell) should include the following:

 

Number of jews,

Christian Catholics,

Christian Evangelic,

Muslims,

Buddhist,

Hindus,

Taoist,

other religious groups, etc.

 

killled by.. 

 

1 - Hitler government:

2- Musolini

3 - Japanese 

4- Salin government,

5 - Churchill,

6 - Americans

7 - any other government involved 

 

You can also add another row showing how many cities and villages were totally destroyed, including civilian centers. 

 

****And then sources should be given for all the estimates, and so the evidence will speak for itself. ***

 

Why is it only a "burnt offering" for the killed Jews? The German and Japanese cities that were literally burnt to the ground, are they also burnt offerings? What is the difference, please explain. 

[Guest Gone Fishing...]

On 6/29/2021 at 10:25 AM, Strummer101 said:

Did you walk around with your eyes closed?

 

Interesting that you have visited Krakow, but I am assuming made the conscious choice not to take the trip to Auschwitz? It's not a barrel of laughs, but it is an essential requirement, if you are in the neighbourhood.

No. l didn't walk around with my eyes closed.
lt's not safe.
l prefer not to bump into things.
Very strange question...

l've visited Krakow and Zakopane many times.
l was given a guided tour of the University of Krakow (oldest in Europe) by a good friend of mine who studied there. He lives in Kielce, north of Krakow.
l took the time to visit many interesting places in the area but Auschwitz not being one of them.
l did indeed decide NOT to visit despite knowing it's proximity.
l'm not into Theme Parks and l don't like Hollywood Horror Films so you can imagine my line of thought..

You seem to think that your baseless opinions / views hold more value because you visited Auschwitz ???????
How does that work ? Can you explain please ?

lf l had visited the NASA visitors center in Florida and then stated - "Hey, men definitely landed and walked on the Moon because l've been to Cape Canaveral and seen all the things on display" - would you not think me strange ?

l'm puzzled by your bizarre lines of thought.
BC 

 

[Strummer101]

Hey I recommend an education....try it, you might like it.

[Weedo]

1 minute ago, Strummer101 said:

Hey I recommend an education....try it, you might like it.

Educate us on the meaning of the word holocaust and why it only applies to Jews who got killed in WW2

[Strummer101]

Not dealing with the hangers-on, but will come back to the Scream fan in due course.

[Guest Gone Fishing...]

37 minutes ago, Strummer101 said:

 

 

13 minutes ago, Strummer101 said:

Love to shoot the breeze, but busy putting on some good tunes. Catch up soon!

 

5 minutes ago, Strummer101 said:

Hey I recommend an education....try it, you might like it.

 

3 minutes ago, Strummer101 said:

Not dealing with the hangers-on, but will come back to the Scream fan in due course.

Duly noted.
Thanks.
 

[Golden Retriever]

50 minutes ago, Weedo said:

Numbers and figures aren't a matter of emotional inclinations, but should be based on simple numbers and factors involved. 

 

Holocaust means burnt offering, doesn't it? And it's a religious term from the old Testament. To me this word is subjective and I'm not Jewish, so why ask me? I'd rather stick to things like tables:

 

This table (can be Excell) should include the following:

 

Number of jews,

Christian Catholics,

Christian Evangelic,

Muslims,

Buddhist,

Hindus,

Taoist,

other religious groups, etc.

 

killled by.. 

 

1 - Hitler government:

2- Musolini

3 - Japanese 

4- Salin government,

5 - Churchill,

6 - Americans

7 - any other government involved 

 

 

You can also add another row showing how many cities and villages were totally destroyed, including civilian centers. 

 

****And then sources should be given for all the estimates, and so the evidence will speak for itself. ***

 

Why is it only a "burnt offering" for the killed Jews? The German and Japanese cities that were literally burnt to the ground, are they also burnt offerings? What is the difference, please explain. 

 

The term "holocaust" was only introduced afaik in the 1970's, twenty five years after the end of WW2.

 

A "holocaust surviver" is any Jewish person who lived anywhere in Europe from 1933, even if they suffered no hardship.

 

I stated on a different thread I don't deny Jewish people suffered under Hitler. They were targetted to work in the Labour Camps

and some were shot in forests and treated dispicably. Most camp inmates died at the end of the war due to typhus and starvation

when the Germans left the camps. (Germans also starved at the end of the war)

 

"The US wire photo above left displays contempt, not compassion for innocent German babies
in air raid shelters as it smirks: "Here are some of Germany's hopes for an army 20 years
hence." On the right is the public image of the generous Danish orphanages"

 

The "Human Problem" : The high price paid for war by the German CHILDREN

 

http://www.exulanten.com/scream2.html

 

It really is telling that the pictures of starving German children cannot be  embedded.

 

I have never seen absolute proof of gas chambers, but I am always open to new evidence.

 

 

Edited June 30, 2021 by Golden Retriever
added photo for GR

[Guest Gone Fishing...]

On 6/29/2021 at 10:25 AM, Strummer101 said:

To maintain now, that they are anything other than fabrications, is to betray your own personal agenda, I would suggest.

And l would suggest being careful with who you accuse of having a personal agenda.
Or they might take a closer look at you and your posting history etc...and YOUR personal agenda.

Oh look, l just did;

At this exact moment...

Strummer101 posts - 820 - 188 pre/hack in May 2020 -  post/hack 632

632 posts
450 in Music =
182 in 'non music'.

182 'real posts'
157 in Trump threads (bashing and bating)

 

Which leaves 25 posts - spread between 10 different threads.

Not one of them in a Covid related thread. Not one. 
Let me think back now....ah, that's because you couldn't give 2 shits about Covid and Lockdowns and Vaxxines, is that correct ??

YOU are the one with a clear agenda which has floated to the top eventually for all to see on this very thread.
And you accuse me of having an agenda ??? 

Tread lightly Mr - 'good standing member with 820 posts' - Strummer.
BC



 

[Golden Retriever]

24 minutes ago, Golden Retriever said:

 

The term "holocaust" was only introduced afaik in the 1970's, twenty five years after the end of WW2.

 

A "holocaust surviver" is any Jewish person who lived anywhere in Europe from 1933, even if they suffered no hardship.

 

I stated on a different thread I don't deny Jewish people suffered under Hitler. They were targetted to work in the Labour Camps

and some were shot in forests and treated dispicably. Most camp inmates died at the end of the war due to typhus and starvation

when the Germans left the camps. (Germans also starved at the end of the war)

 

"The US wire photo above left displays contempt, not compassion for innocent German babies
in air raid shelters as it smirks: "Here are some of Germany's hopes for an army 20 years
hence." On the right is the public image of the generous Danish orphanages"

 

It really is telling that the pictures of starving German children cannot be  embedded.

 

http://www.exulanten.com/sitebuilder/images/denkrkkind-498x194.jpg

 

I have never seen absolute proof of gas chambers, but I am always open to new evidence.
 

 

 

 

 

Thanks BC for embedding the photos, when I failed.

[Guest Gone Fishing...]

1 minute ago, Golden Retriever said:

 

Thanks BC for embedding the photos, when I failed.

l downloaded / saved / uploaded.
lt wouldn't embed as you said..
BC  :O)

[Weedo]

1 hour ago, Golden Retriever said:

 

The term "holocaust" was only introduced afaik in the 1970's, twenty five years after the end of WW2.

 

A "holocaust surviver" is any Jewish person who lived anywhere in Europe from 1933, even if they suffered no hardship.

 

I stated on a different thread I don't deny Jewish people suffered under Hitler. They were targetted to work in the Labour Camps

and some were shot in forests and treated dispicably. Most camp inmates died at the end of the war due to typhus and starvation

when the Germans left the camps. (Germans also starved at the end of the war)

 

"The US wire photo above left displays contempt, not compassion for innocent German babies
in air raid shelters as it smirks: "Here are some of Germany's hopes for an army 20 years
hence." On the right is the public image of the generous Danish orphanages"

 

The "Human Problem" : The high price paid for war by the German CHILDREN

 

http://www.exulanten.com/scream2.html

 

It really is telling that the pictures of starving German children cannot be  embedded.

 

I have never seen absolute proof of gas chambers, but I am always open to new evidence.

 

 

Thank you so much for the info. I didn't know that the "holocaust" communication campaign started so long after the war. My paternal great grandfather was a Croatian officer of the Austrian Army during ww1 and ww2. He was more than 3 years at the eastern front during ww1 and was also captured and escaped by a stroke of luck (at end of war he was decorated captain of artillery, and I have many details of what he did) . Then in WW2 his company never left the barracks, which I personally don't mind, as I really question Hitlers ways. Not only do I not like his pagan background and racism, but even his strategic moves show that he's either an idiot, or wanted to lose. Also after studying some of his history, it seems to me that he was just another puppet, working for the sponsors of both sides (I saw a debate on Adam greens channel between the author of 'greatest story never told', and an anti Hitler conspiracy expert, and that expert won hands down) . For them it was one giant holocaust, or burnt offering to Satan, regardless of which side suffered - with mostly Christians killing Christians. My great grandfather was eventually put into a communist forced Labour camp for some years, but he didn't cry much about it, and lived a very fulfilled life afterwards, and ended up living and dying in Brazil. He was a big fan of emperor Franz Joseph though, and unlike Hitler who made life miserable for Jews, Franz Joseph made it easier, by for instance overturning a law that made it illegal for Jews to own anything. As a result the bankers have him huge sums of money - probably as loans with big interest - with which he spent his last days before the war building Vienna as we know it. Ironically his beloved wife empress Elizabeth was killed my a nationalist anarchist, after leaving the Rothchilds residence in Italy somewhere. And she used to walk incognito on her many travels, so somebody must have tipped her off. I wonder who... Hmmm

 

There is the theory of course that the reason why Hitler made life miserable for all the Jews, was to force them to move to Palestine. Like Herzl said: "the antisemite would be our best friend". Then ironically the socialist/communist governments that swept the Arab world did the same. They put Jews on boats and sent them to Palestine. 

 

Anyway, my grandfather was an Ustace (they actually kept fighting after the war was over), but he was a diplomat who served at an embassy during the war. He never went back to his country after the war, but I know for sure that he was not hateful towards Jews, as my father never taught me such stupidity. Even if Hitler was bad, which can be discussed back and forth, it does not mean every "Nazi" was bad. I even have a Jewish friend whose grandfather was a general in the fascist Italian army. After saving his grandmother, she married him and they got Jewish kids. 

 

In any case, I love Jewish people, even if many of them hate me, because I'm anti "zionist", but I don't care. I love them anyway, and appreciate their culture and their heritage. And let me tell you that when a jew is good, they are really good. I love the prophet Israel, Isaac, Abraham, and their chosen descendants. Most of them are frightened and scared of people's hate towards them, and they just have a blind eye towards their own crimes. It's sad, but what isn't sad these days tbh. All nations, all religions, all races, everything is fucked, as they say. 

[Guest Gone Fishing...]

From a Max Igan video.
Questioning numbers.
David Ickes says QUESTION EVERYTHING.
Who aren't you allowed to question ?
 

https://www.bitchute.com/video/s5InQs7rSDHk/  (1 minute 28 seconds)

 

BC

[Strummer101]

17 hours ago, Basket Case said:

No. l didn't walk around with my eyes closed.
lt's not safe.
l prefer not to bump into things.
Very strange question...

l've visited Krakow and Zakopane many times.
l was given a guided tour of the University of Krakow (oldest in Europe) by a good friend of mine who studied there. He lives in Kielce, north of Krakow.
l took the time to visit many interesting places in the area but Auschwitz not being one of them.
l did indeed decide NOT to visit despite knowing it's proximity.
l'm not into Theme Parks and l don't like Hollywood Horror Films so you can imagine my line of thought..

You seem to think that your baseless opinions / views hold more value because you visited Auschwitz ???????
How does that work ? Can you explain please ?

lf l had visited the NASA visitors center in Florida and then stated - "Hey, men definitely landed and walked on the Moon because l've been to Cape Canaveral and seen all the things on display" - would you not think me strange ?

l'm puzzled by your bizarre lines of thought.
BC 

 

Where shall we start? Well once you have seen WTC 7 there is no going back. Something is going on.

 

Hey the Jews, they rejected not one, but two Messiahs! That right there is not going to play well, with a lot of people from the off.   

 

I will answer a couple of your points first; yes, as I have visited these places, my views do indeed carry more weight, this is certain. You may or may not believe that we chatted years ago to some old timers outside a backstreet bar in Krakow, next to the old synagogue...they knew what happened to the Krakow Jews, and if I am honest they did not seem that sorry.  

 

Geographically, you can have no doubt about what went on, from Marseille, Drancy in Paris, the Jews of Antwerp and Amsterdam., Greece....even the Channel Islands of course. This is settled. I am not going to argue the holocaust with you, if you choose to disbelieve, then so be it, I will suggest that you have taken leave of your critical faculties.   

 

Yes, I have seen, with my own eyes, rather than dodge something/somewhere that might give you pause to reconsider. Ask yourself, what is the worst that can happen, you might change your mind?  

 

'None so blind as those that will not see' - does that apply to you? I am sad, if it does. 

 

To compare Birkenau to a theme park is....unfortunate. I am sure that no offence was intended to the memory of those that perished there.

 

Let's talk about numbers...I will concede that there may be legitimate interest in this point. However, as I mentioned above, it is usually just a thin veil to pull over the true denier hidden behind.

 

Let's talk numbers - Yad Vashem in Jerusalem goes with 4.5million killed in fact. On the other hand, graves remain undiscovered probably, in parts of eastern Europe, the number may be higher that 6 million.   

 

A word to the comedy anti-Semites here, such as Golden Roastie and the picture guy, (maybe a wannabe Mel Gibson?) where is your human compassion? I think you have misplaced it somewhere along on your journey to the dark recesses of the interweb Jew-Hate forums. 

 

Hey, old Golden Roastie once thought that I was being paid by 'some people' to come specially to this website, and discredit their contributions! Like the world is hanging on their every word.....as I said once before, the overblown sense of self importance is strong with that one. (Typing in red as well, pur-lease!)

 

I could now unashamedly plagiarise those people who can express these views much better than I can, but that would be a shame. I could mention Christopher Hitchens, destroyer of anti-Semites of course, but I am going with something from this year in fact, from the mighty Yanis Varoufakis, who manages to sum everything up in an outstanding fashion, all within a ten-minute clip.  

 

By the way trivia fans, Yanis's wife is the girl from Pulp's 'Common People'....'she came from Greece she had a thirst for knowledge....' 

 

Yanis explains why anti-Semitism is a special kind of intolerance, he covers the holocaust, and then, also almost exactly in line with my own views, deals with the shocking state of modern Israel and it's apartheid policies. 

 

Protocols? Fake as fuck mate.

 

[Fluke]

4 hours ago, Basket Case said:

From a Max Igan video.
Questioning numbers.
David Ickes says QUESTION EVERYTHING.
Who aren't you allowed to question ?
 

https://www.bitchute.com/video/s5InQs7rSDHk/  (1 minute 28 seconds)

 

BC

You should be able to question anything and should be encouraged to but it is kind of ignorant to just spout nonsense (not pointing fingers) about it and bully and blame the jews for all the worlds problems. And i have seen it on here and in these circles. 

 

Ok so your man max there is a good example i find it very interesting he went off the rails shortly after he ventured under the tunnel from isreal to get captured by hamas. He is too interested in middle eastern politics to care about his own country.  And i have no time for isreal and zionism that is another story. 

 

On questioning the numbers what a lot are really doing is reducing peoples humanity to statistics.

 

 

[Macnamara]

1 hour ago, Fluke said:

On questioning the numbers what a lot are really doing is reducing peoples humanity to statistics.

 

I'm a libertarian so i don't agree with carting people off and incarcerating them

 

I see the hidden hand behind the rise of the bolsheviks and then their counterpoise in nazism with the effect of creating a hegelian dialectic which continues today in the form of state-capitalism v's communism or as liberals v's conservatives

 

But when it comes to history i think people should be able to explore it openly and honestly and if part of that exploration is to do with what happened, where to who and why then so be it.

 

Why does it bother you that people do that?

 

Is questioning the numbers merely reducing horror down to statistics or is it a way to explore narratives? Do numbers play a role in understanding narratives?

 

Surely as we see the government try to spin a narrative on covid the numbers are important for example by looking at overall death numbers by all causes over many years we can see if there really has been a deadly virus killing swathes of the population as the government would have us believe?

[Macnamara]

I'm going to make an observation here...

 

I have seen some people get very defencive when any aspect of the holocaust is questioned. However on the subject of covid suddenly those people are not so bothered about millions of europeans being injected with bill gates injections which he called the 'final solution' when talking to the TV talkshow host stephen colbert. A silly statement or did it conceal a deeper meaning?

 

Certainly the injections are already killing people and who knows what the final cost of them will be?

 

But yeah those people who have this aggressive reaction to people exploring the holocaust seem to be completely unfazed by what is being done in our own time. They seem to have few qualms about people being locked down in their own homes and their rights and freedoms trampled

 

You may just find that those people are interested in kabbalistic magic and suddenly all their hi-falutin talk of 'the insensitivity of talking about the holocaust' turns to 'these covid jabs are going to remove all the stupid NPC's so just stand aside and let it happen'

 

....which is an incredible hypocrisy and its one that hasn't gone unnoticed

[Macnamara]

If there is an occult agenda by kabbalist black magicians to genocide people and then control the remaining people under a world government then it would appear there are some people out there who support that process and they don't want anything discussed that might potentially in anyway derail that agenda