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This is a long post, so bear with me, and as Icke would say, keep an open mind.

 

I was reading some of his latest book ‘the answer’, and correct me if I’m wrong, but there is quite a bit of overlap between Mr. Icke’s work and contemporary Christianity. Yes, he does make the distinction that the whole ‘savior’ concept is seen throughout many religions, including pagan religions i.e. Horus, but if he is citing Gnostic literature to support his claims on who the archons are, then he can’t entirely ignore Christ. After all, the information contained in the Nag Hammadi texts can ultimately be traced back to Christ. Quoting from the secret book of John:

“ Hymn of the Savior (30, 11–31, 25) 

Now I, the perfect Forethought of the All, transformed myself into my offspring. I existed  first and went down every path. 138 I am the abundance of light, I am the remembrance of Fullness. I traveled in the realm of great darkness, and continued until I entered the midst of the prison. The foundations of chaos shook, and I hid from them because of their evil, and they did not recognize me. Again I returned, a second time, and went on. I had come from the inhabitants of light—I, the remembrance of Forethought. I entered the midst of darkness and the bowels of the underworld, turning to my task. The foundations of chaos shook as though to fall upon those who dwell in chaos and destroy them. Again I hurried back to the root of my 

light so they might not be destroyed before their time. Again, a third time, I went forth—I am the light dwelling in light, I am the remembrance of Forethought—so that I might enter the midst of darkness and the bowels [31] of the underworld. I brightened my face with light from the consummation of their realm and entered the midst of their prison, which is the prison of the body. I said, Let whoever hears arise from deep sleep. 139 A person wept and shed tears. Bitter tears the person wiped away, and said, “Who is calling my name? From where has my hope come as I dwell in the bondage of prison?” 

 

I recall from his book ‘tales of the time loop’ that Icke essentially describes how our reality became a Frankenstein matrix that was so vibrationally dense that the entrapped consciousness (souls) could not escape its walls. Whose to say that Christ’s appearance was not a pivotal part in the dismantling of the perceptual slavery system? That above quote from the gnostic texts would lend credence to that theory. You could say that Christ is that being which leads all life back to God - he is the direct emanation of the Godhead, 'the Son'. Christianity has been so culturally contaminated that people have become programmed to reduce Christ down to ‘a really nice guy.’

 

Mr. Icke seems to at once acknowledge in his books the presence of the darker aspect that controls out reality, namely ‘the archons’ or fallen angels; with Yaldabaoth/Lucifer/Satan being the main antagonist.

 

Not unlike a theologian, he is essentially telling us in some mysterious way that there is a Devil who is a personal being and who is opposed to God and who is the enemy of our souls, but as usual he does not tell us who the Devil is, where he came from and what he is. He does not elaborate that the Devil is in fact a fallen angel and the chief of those who were cast out of heaven for rebellion against God before the material creation existed.

 

That is to say, the Devil is a fallen angel spirit and the chief of those angel spirits who were cast out of God’s spiritual kingdom and from His spiritual presence, Life and Light into spiritual darkness and death for having rebelled against His spiritual Kingdom—against Him as Life.

 

These are “Demons” or evil angels; “For there is a numerous band of these Fallen Spirits.”—Mark 5:9. And Lucifer was among the highest of all God’s Angels:

 

You were the signet of perfection,*

   full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.

13 You were in Eden, the garden of God;

   every precious stone was your covering,

carnelian, chrysolite, and moonstone,

   beryl, onyx, and jasper,

sapphire,* turquoise, and emerald;

   and worked in gold were your settings

   and your engravings.*

On the day that you were created

   they were prepared.

14 With an anointed cherub as guardian I placed you;*

   you were on the holy mountain of God;

   you walked among the stones of fire.

15 You were blameless in your ways

   from the day that you were created,

   until iniquity was found in you.

16 In the abundance of your trade

   you were filled with violence, and you sinned;

so I cast you as a profane thing from the mountain of God,

   and the guardian cherub drove you out

   from among the stones of fire.

 

Now I discuss what Icke has termed the archon ‘hack’:

 

Essentially, the Material creation is the counterfeit of the Spiritual World. The Spiritual is real, the Material is Unreal. There is a correspondency in the Spiritual and Material World's, Life is in Spiritual and Death is in the Material. 

The counterfeit of the Real—Darkness and death, as the opposites of Light and Life, did not exist until Lust was conceived in the Consciousness of the Souls of the Spiritual beings made in God’s image. 

 

The reason the mortal creation dies is that it was not spiritually conceived by God. It is infinitesimal and thus does not really exist. 

Evil (the mind of lust) cannot produce good fruit, that is why the mortal dies. This material universe was 'manifested' as a consequence of Lucifer's rebellion against God. This entire finite multiverse is God manifesting the opposite of himself -- the mortal concept -- as the result of their transgression. 

 

The heavenly domains (eden) are the creation of God’s mind, and reflect life. The biblical ‘fall of man’ is the spiritual man becoming conscious of the physical man, and knowing the difference between the two. That is, the man made in God’s image yielded to the minds of the fallen angels, and mortal propagation is the result.

 

This is essentially the dual nature of all existence. 

 

Spiritual life is Internal—physical life is external. Spiritual life is a reality—the Truth—and exists in the divine mind. So-called physical life is error and is unreal to the divine mind and only exists in the mind of the senses of the mortal creation. Spiritual life as manifested in physical life is the reflection and the image of God, the Reality of Spirit; all spiritual life, as manifested in physical life, is derived from Spirit. There is not any inherent life in matter.

 

As the conception of evil fades out of the consciousness of the minds of the beings created in God’s image, then the ‘physical’ counterpart of the realm ceases to exist - God has filled that void.

 

The attributes of the Fallen Angels are expressed in the personality and nature of the material and physical man. Their minds are manifested in the Soul through the mortal mind of the physical man. 

 

This descent of higher consciousness into this archontic matrix, and becoming consequently entrapped, is known as ‘the fall of man’ in Christian theology. 

Clarifying: The physical domains are the manifestation of the minds of the Fallen Angels, and reflect death. The heavenly domains are the manifestation of God’s mind and reflect life. The difference is in their permanence: the physical domains are finite (mortal, infinitesimal), the heavenly domains (eden) are infinite. 

 

What consciousness is then doing here is essentially peering into an infinitesimal domain. What lies beyond the confines of this body-mind perception is, as David Icke correctly postulates — infinite awareness, which is governed by the law of existence: infinite love. That is (if you are a spirit being…not an ‘organic portal’ with no spiritual component) your consciousness is actually an infinite being of infinite scope ‘constructed’ of the same stuff as God - unconditional love. Your life with a name and address is a non-existent construct, a fleeting perception.

 

Also correct: the ‘fallen angels’ are essentially a distorted form of awareness that has lost their heart centered connection with ‘ the One’ - God. They were caste from his presence into spiritual darkness. God withdrew his light from them when they sinned against him.

 

What ya'll think?

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7 hours ago, PH196 said:

Mr. Icke seems to at once acknowledge in his books the presence of the darker aspect that controls out reality, namely ‘the archons’ or fallen angels; with Yaldabaoth/Lucifer/Satan being the main antagonist.

 

Not unlike a theologian, he is essentially telling us in some mysterious way that there is a Devil who is a personal being and who is opposed to God

 

Also correct: the ‘fallen angels’ are essentially a distorted form of awareness that has lost their heart centered connection with ‘ the One’ - God. They were caste from his presence into spiritual darkness. God withdrew his light from them when they sinned against him.

 

Well how would Mr Icke Know ??? Important to ask where does this information come from .... For example DI believes the reptilians are a big part in all this because he had many people coming to him telling their eye whiteness stories  .... He pieced it all together best as he could and is not too clear but thinks the royals and others are shapeshifters controlled from another dimension ....

 

As for Fallen Angels , Lucifer , the Devil how on Earth is anyone to know ?? ...

 

That said I do believe I've got the whole picture , and my information comes from Mr Mollison .... Why should I trust him?? He claims to have developed a flawless technique for channeling GOD ... ! Sounds outrageous , but the material confirms what I had already understood from other sources , and fills in many missing blanks ... To appreciate and be confident about his source you must already KNOW much of the information already ...

 

So what does he say on this subject ?? 

 

This part of the Universe is a free will experiment , the rest of creation is non freewill  where all beings are in peace and harmony and bliss , one with Creator ...

 

In this free will experiment there is the possibility of rebelling against Creator , and that's just what the fallen angels did , by their own choice they cut themselves off from Creator and hence cut themselves off from his life sustaining energy and they can only exist by leaching life force off physical life forms ...

 

They psychically corrupted physical ET races millions of years ago who in their turn became depraved , and these are the ones controlling Earth with the help of some humans (Cabal, illuminati) . The malevolent ET's are consciously working with the fallen spirits to cause misery here , this is the psychic food the spirits want . 

 

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCg18_LahHDHQZi7LYGbkS3Q/videos

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Well how would Mr Icke Know ??? Important to ask where does this information come from .... For example DI believes the reptilians are a big part in all this because he had many people coming to him telling their eye whiteness stories  .... He pieced it all together best as he could and is not too clear but thinks the royals and others are shapeshifters controlled from another dimension ....

 

As for Fallen Angels , Lucifer , the Devil how on Earth is anyone to know ?? ...

 

That said I do believe I've got the whole picture , and my information comes from Mr Mollison .... Why should I trust him?? He claims to have developed a flawless technique for channeling GOD ... ! Sounds outrageous , but the material confirms what I had already understood from other sources , and fills in many missing blanks ... To appreciate and be confident about his source you must already KNOW much of the information already ...

 

So what does he say on this subject ?? 

 

This part of the Universe is a free will experiment , the rest of creation is non freewill  where all beings are in peace and harmony and bliss , one with Creator ...

 

In this free will experiment there is the possibility of rebelling against Creator , and that's just what the fallen angels did , by their own choice they cut themselves off from Creator and hence cut themselves off from his life sustaining energy and they can only exist by leaching life force off physical life forms ...

 

They psychically corrupted physical ET races millions of years ago who in their turn became depraved , and these are the ones controlling Earth with the help of some humans (Cabal, illuminati) . The malevolent ET's are consciously working with the fallen spirits to cause misery here , this is the psychic food the spirits want . 

 

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCg18_LahHDHQZi7LYGbkS3Q/videos

Yes, thats what I'm saying. Just in a different terms. The biblical 'hack' or fall is their attempt to sustain themselves despite willfully choosing to rebel against God. In order to rebel against the source of life, you need to conceive of states of being that are foreign to God i.e. the mind of hatred, darkness, anger, jelousy, lust, fear etc... all states of being which are contrary to God. And it is that emotional energy that they feed off of. 

 

The reptilians are (likely) as you said,  an ET race that was corrupted by the 'fallen ones' and simply do their bidding. I think the analogy of a self-aware virus is probably indicative of how this thing spreads throughout the cosmos. And humanity was/is next on the lunch menu.

 

But when I read passages like this “And the Angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, He hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.” and this  "Then will He say to those at His left, "'Begone from me, with the curse resting upon you, into the Fire of the Ages, which has been prepared for the Devil and his angels.' 

 

Might actually be conveying some high spiritual matters regarding their fate. That is, they finally overstepped their reach and have violated every known universal law by hijacking sentient species to feed off of them; and will be severely punished. Who knows? 

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But when I read passages like this “And the Angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, He hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.” and this  "Then will He say to those at His left, "'Begone from me, with the curse resting upon you, into the Fire of the Ages, which has been prepared for the Devil and his angels.' 

 

Might actually be conveying some high spiritual matters regarding their fate. That is, they finally overstepped their reach and have violated every known universal law by hijacking sentient species to feed off of them; and will be severely punished. Who knows? 

 

I wouldn't take the bible as 100% accurate  ... it's been changed and translated and added to ....

 

According to the God of Mollison Their fate is still in the balance ... Humanity was created to resolve this problem of evil  ... If enough of us  pray that the evil ones be forgiven and uplifted then they and their ET chums will forget about destroying us , and move on .

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I wouldn't take the bible as 100% accurate  ... it's been changed and translated and added to ....

 

According to the God of Mollison Their fate is still in the balance ... Humanity was created to resolve this problem of evil  ... If enough of us  pray that the evil ones be forgiven and uplifted then they and their ET chums will forget about destroying us , and move on .

and who is mollison?

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and who is mollison?

 

Either a schizophrenic or a conman. Either way not someone anyone should take any notice of.

 

Oz is clearly intelligent but the fact that he relentlessly promulgates such obvious nonsense makes me suspicious of his intentions.

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I wouldn't take the bible as 100% accurate  ... it's been changed and translated and added to ....

 

According to the God of Mollison Their fate is still in the balance ... Humanity was created to resolve this problem of evil  ... If enough of us  pray that the evil ones be forgiven and uplifted then they and their ET chums will forget about destroying us , and move on .

 

I wouldn't take Mollison as even 1% percent accurate. 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Truthspoon said:

 

I wouldn't take Mollison as even 1% percent accurate. 

 

 

yea he has some good stuff to say and i think we are in agreement; but I haven't the slightest clue who Mollision is or why he is being cited as relevant, especially after I glanced at his Utube channel.

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This is a long post, so bear with me, and as Icke would say, keep an open mind.

 

I was reading some of his latest book ‘the answer’, and correct me if I’m wrong, but there is quite a bit of overlap between Mr. Icke’s work and contemporary Christianity. Yes, he does make the distinction that the whole ‘savior’ concept is seen throughout many religions, including pagan religions i.e. Horus, but if he is citing Gnostic literature to support his claims on who the archons are, then he can’t entirely ignore Christ. After all, the information contained in the Nag Hammadi texts can ultimately be traced back to Christ. Quoting from the secret book of John:

“ Hymn of the Savior (30, 11–31, 25) 

Now I, the perfect Forethought of the All, transformed myself into my offspring. I existed  first and went down every path. 138 I am the abundance of light, I am the remembrance of Fullness. I traveled in the realm of great darkness, and continued until I entered the midst of the prison. The foundations of chaos shook, and I hid from them because of their evil, and they did not recognize me. Again I returned, a second time, and went on. I had come from the inhabitants of light—I, the remembrance of Forethought. I entered the midst of darkness and the bowels of the underworld, turning to my task. The foundations of chaos shook as though to fall upon those who dwell in chaos and destroy them. Again I hurried back to the root of my 

light so they might not be destroyed before their time. Again, a third time, I went forth—I am the light dwelling in light, I am the remembrance of Forethought—so that I might enter the midst of darkness and the bowels [31] of the underworld. I brightened my face with light from the consummation of their realm and entered the midst of their prison, which is the prison of the body. I said, Let whoever hears arise from deep sleep. 139 A person wept and shed tears. Bitter tears the person wiped away, and said, “Who is calling my name? From where has my hope come as I dwell in the bondage of prison?” 

 

I recall from his book ‘tales of the time loop’ that Icke essentially describes how our reality became a Frankenstein matrix that was so vibrationally dense that the entrapped consciousness (souls) could not escape its walls. Whose to say that Christ’s appearance was not a pivotal part in the dismantling of the perceptual slavery system? That above quote from the gnostic texts would lend credence to that theory. You could say that Christ is that being which leads all life back to God - he is the direct emanation of the Godhead, 'the Son'. Christianity has been so culturally contaminated that people have become programmed to reduce Christ down to ‘a really nice guy.’

 

Mr. Icke seems to at once acknowledge in his books the presence of the darker aspect that controls out reality, namely ‘the archons’ or fallen angels; with Yaldabaoth/Lucifer/Satan being the main antagonist.

 

Not unlike a theologian, he is essentially telling us in some mysterious way that there is a Devil who is a personal being and who is opposed to God and who is the enemy of our souls, but as usual he does not tell us who the Devil is, where he came from and what he is. He does not elaborate that the Devil is in fact a fallen angel and the chief of those who were cast out of heaven for rebellion against God before the material creation existed.

 

That is to say, the Devil is a fallen angel spirit and the chief of those angel spirits who were cast out of God’s spiritual kingdom and from His spiritual presence, Life and Light into spiritual darkness and death for having rebelled against His spiritual Kingdom—against Him as Life.

 

These are “Demons” or evil angels; “For there is a numerous band of these Fallen Spirits.”—Mark 5:9. And Lucifer was among the highest of all God’s Angels:

 

You were the signet of perfection,*

   full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.

13 You were in Eden, the garden of God;

   every precious stone was your covering,

carnelian, chrysolite, and moonstone,

   beryl, onyx, and jasper,

sapphire,* turquoise, and emerald;

   and worked in gold were your settings

   and your engravings.*

On the day that you were created

   they were prepared.

14 With an anointed cherub as guardian I placed you;*

   you were on the holy mountain of God;

   you walked among the stones of fire.

15 You were blameless in your ways

   from the day that you were created,

   until iniquity was found in you.

16 In the abundance of your trade

   you were filled with violence, and you sinned;

so I cast you as a profane thing from the mountain of God,

   and the guardian cherub drove you out

   from among the stones of fire.

 

Now I discuss what Icke has termed the archon ‘hack’:

 

Essentially, the Material creation is the counterfeit of the Spiritual World. The Spiritual is real, the Material is Unreal. There is a correspondency in the Spiritual and Material World's, Life is in Spiritual and Death is in the Material. 

The counterfeit of the Real—Darkness and death, as the opposites of Light and Life, did not exist until Lust was conceived in the Consciousness of the Souls of the Spiritual beings made in God’s image. 

 

The reason the mortal creation dies is that it was not spiritually conceived by God. It is infinitesimal and thus does not really exist. 

Evil (the mind of lust) cannot produce good fruit, that is why the mortal dies. This material universe was 'manifested' as a consequence of Lucifer's rebellion against God. This entire finite multiverse is God manifesting the opposite of himself -- the mortal concept -- as the result of their transgression. 

 

The heavenly domains (eden) are the creation of God’s mind, and reflect life. The biblical ‘fall of man’ is the spiritual man becoming conscious of the physical man, and knowing the difference between the two. That is, the man made in God’s image yielded to the minds of the fallen angels, and mortal propagation is the result.

 

This is essentially the dual nature of all existence. 

 

Spiritual life is Internal—physical life is external. Spiritual life is a reality—the Truth—and exists in the divine mind. So-called physical life is error and is unreal to the divine mind and only exists in the mind of the senses of the mortal creation. Spiritual life as manifested in physical life is the reflection and the image of God, the Reality of Spirit; all spiritual life, as manifested in physical life, is derived from Spirit. There is not any inherent life in matter.

 

As the conception of evil fades out of the consciousness of the minds of the beings created in God’s image, then the ‘physical’ counterpart of the realm ceases to exist - God has filled that void.

 

The attributes of the Fallen Angels are expressed in the personality and nature of the material and physical man. Their minds are manifested in the Soul through the mortal mind of the physical man. 

 

This descent of higher consciousness into this archontic matrix, and becoming consequently entrapped, is known as ‘the fall of man’ in Christian theology. 

Clarifying: The physical domains are the manifestation of the minds of the Fallen Angels, and reflect death. The heavenly domains are the manifestation of God’s mind and reflect life. The difference is in their permanence: the physical domains are finite (mortal, infinitesimal), the heavenly domains (eden) are infinite. 

 

What consciousness is then doing here is essentially peering into an infinitesimal domain. What lies beyond the confines of this body-mind perception is, as David Icke correctly postulates — infinite awareness, which is governed by the law of existence: infinite love. That is (if you are a spirit being…not an ‘organic portal’ with no spiritual component) your consciousness is actually an infinite being of infinite scope ‘constructed’ of the same stuff as God - unconditional love. Your life with a name and address is a non-existent construct, a fleeting perception.

 

Also correct: the ‘fallen angels’ are essentially a distorted form of awareness that has lost their heart centered connection with ‘ the One’ - God. They were caste from his presence into spiritual darkness. God withdrew his light from them when they sinned against him.

 

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18 hours ago, PH196 said:

This is a long post, so bear with me, and as Icke would say, keep an open mind.

 

I was reading some of his latest book ‘the answer’, and correct me if I’m wrong, but there is quite a bit of overlap between Mr. Icke’s work and contemporary Christianity. Yes, he does make the distinction that the whole ‘savior’ concept is seen throughout many religions, including pagan religions i.e. Horus, but if he is citing Gnostic literature to support his claims on who the archons are, then he can’t entirely ignore Christ. After all, the information contained in the Nag Hammadi texts can ultimately be traced back to Christ. Quoting from the secret book of John:

“ Hymn of the Savior (30, 11–31, 25) 

Now I, the perfect Forethought of the All, transformed myself into my offspring. I existed  first and went down every path. 138 I am the abundance of light, I am the remembrance of Fullness. I traveled in the realm of great darkness, and continued until I entered the midst of the prison. The foundations of chaos shook, and I hid from them because of their evil, and they did not recognize me. Again I returned, a second time, and went on. I had come from the inhabitants of light—I, the remembrance of Forethought. I entered the midst of darkness and the bowels of the underworld, turning to my task. The foundations of chaos shook as though to fall upon those who dwell in chaos and destroy them. Again I hurried back to the root of my 

light so they might not be destroyed before their time. Again, a third time, I went forth—I am the light dwelling in light, I am the remembrance of Forethought—so that I might enter the midst of darkness and the bowels [31] of the underworld. I brightened my face with light from the consummation of their realm and entered the midst of their prison, which is the prison of the body. I said, Let whoever hears arise from deep sleep. 139 A person wept and shed tears. Bitter tears the person wiped away, and said, “Who is calling my name? From where has my hope come as I dwell in the bondage of prison?” 

 

I recall from his book ‘tales of the time loop’ that Icke essentially describes how our reality became a Frankenstein matrix that was so vibrationally dense that the entrapped consciousness (souls) could not escape its walls. Whose to say that Christ’s appearance was not a pivotal part in the dismantling of the perceptual slavery system? That above quote from the gnostic texts would lend credence to that theory. You could say that Christ is that being which leads all life back to God - he is the direct emanation of the Godhead, 'the Son'. Christianity has been so culturally contaminated that people have become programmed to reduce Christ down to ‘a really nice guy.’

 

Mr. Icke seems to at once acknowledge in his books the presence of the darker aspect that controls out reality, namely ‘the archons’ or fallen angels; with Yaldabaoth/Lucifer/Satan being the main antagonist.

 

Not unlike a theologian, he is essentially telling us in some mysterious way that there is a Devil who is a personal being and who is opposed to God and who is the enemy of our souls, but as usual he does not tell us who the Devil is, where he came from and what he is. He does not elaborate that the Devil is in fact a fallen angel and the chief of those who were cast out of heaven for rebellion against God before the material creation existed.

 

That is to say, the Devil is a fallen angel spirit and the chief of those angel spirits who were cast out of God’s spiritual kingdom and from His spiritual presence, Life and Light into spiritual darkness and death for having rebelled against His spiritual Kingdom—against Him as Life.

 

These are “Demons” or evil angels; “For there is a numerous band of these Fallen Spirits.”—Mark 5:9. And Lucifer was among the highest of all God’s Angels:

 

You were the signet of perfection,*

   full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.

13 You were in Eden, the garden of God;

   every precious stone was your covering,

carnelian, chrysolite, and moonstone,

   beryl, onyx, and jasper,

sapphire,* turquoise, and emerald;

   and worked in gold were your settings

   and your engravings.*

On the day that you were created

   they were prepared.

14 With an anointed cherub as guardian I placed you;*

   you were on the holy mountain of God;

   you walked among the stones of fire.

15 You were blameless in your ways

   from the day that you were created,

   until iniquity was found in you.

16 In the abundance of your trade

   you were filled with violence, and you sinned;

so I cast you as a profane thing from the mountain of God,

   and the guardian cherub drove you out

   from among the stones of fire.

 

Now I discuss what Icke has termed the archon ‘hack’:

 

Essentially, the Material creation is the counterfeit of the Spiritual World. The Spiritual is real, the Material is Unreal. There is a correspondency in the Spiritual and Material World's, Life is in Spiritual and Death is in the Material. 

The counterfeit of the Real—Darkness and death, as the opposites of Light and Life, did not exist until Lust was conceived in the Consciousness of the Souls of the Spiritual beings made in God’s image. 

 

The reason the mortal creation dies is that it was not spiritually conceived by God. It is infinitesimal and thus does not really exist. 

Evil (the mind of lust) cannot produce good fruit, that is why the mortal dies. This material universe was 'manifested' as a consequence of Lucifer's rebellion against God. This entire finite multiverse is God manifesting the opposite of himself -- the mortal concept -- as the result of their transgression. 

 

The heavenly domains (eden) are the creation of God’s mind, and reflect life. The biblical ‘fall of man’ is the spiritual man becoming conscious of the physical man, and knowing the difference between the two. That is, the man made in God’s image yielded to the minds of the fallen angels, and mortal propagation is the result.

 

This is essentially the dual nature of all existence. 

 

Spiritual life is Internal—physical life is external. Spiritual life is a reality—the Truth—and exists in the divine mind. So-called physical life is error and is unreal to the divine mind and only exists in the mind of the senses of the mortal creation. Spiritual life as manifested in physical life is the reflection and the image of God, the Reality of Spirit; all spiritual life, as manifested in physical life, is derived from Spirit. There is not any inherent life in matter.

 

As the conception of evil fades out of the consciousness of the minds of the beings created in God’s image, then the ‘physical’ counterpart of the realm ceases to exist - God has filled that void.

 

The attributes of the Fallen Angels are expressed in the personality and nature of the material and physical man. Their minds are manifested in the Soul through the mortal mind of the physical man. 

 

This descent of higher consciousness into this archontic matrix, and becoming consequently entrapped, is known as ‘the fall of man’ in Christian theology. 

Clarifying: The physical domains are the manifestation of the minds of the Fallen Angels, and reflect death. The heavenly domains are the manifestation of God’s mind and reflect life. The difference is in their permanence: the physical domains are finite (mortal, infinitesimal), the heavenly domains (eden) are infinite. 

 

What consciousness is then doing here is essentially peering into an infinitesimal domain. What lies beyond the confines of this body-mind perception is, as David Icke correctly postulates — infinite awareness, which is governed by the law of existence: infinite love. That is (if you are a spirit being…not an ‘organic portal’ with no spiritual component) your consciousness is actually an infinite being of infinite scope ‘constructed’ of the same stuff as God - unconditional love. Your life with a name and address is a non-existent construct, a fleeting perception.

 

Also correct: the ‘fallen angels’ are essentially a distorted form of awareness that has lost their heart centered connection with ‘ the One’ - God. They were caste from his presence into spiritual darkness. God withdrew his light from them when they sinned against him.

 

What ya'll think?


Excellent post. Some very good thoughts there my friend.

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Excellent post. Some very good thoughts there my friend.

Thank you, I put a lot of consideration into that. It's my conclusion after years of research. Not saying its 100% accurate but its a good start, and is consistent with a lot of David Icke's work on the nature of reality.

 

One topic I forgot to mention which is relevant to this post is the origins of evil and its purpose, other than simply 'opposing God'. 

In order to fit the definition of an infinite being, God must be increasing without bound. The question then becomes: increasing into what?

 

You can regard the null domain where God is not as the 'void' into which God is expanding. The 'fallen angels' you could say inadvertently exist to increase God, whether they like it or not. They create the darkness that God is not, and God expands to fill that void. Essentially: the entire physical multiverse exists for the want of spirit. The plan and inevitable future for humanity is one of freedom and love. The 'new world order' are the forces of darkness in their attempts to obstruct the inflow of light. Ultimately it will fail (as it always does) and God fills this void (through each of us).

 

So is Satan bad? Yes. But does the Devil have a purpose for existing? Also, yes. And I present my above explanation as a (somewhat) satisfactory resolution to the 'problem of evil'.

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My thinking is very similar but I’ve not worked out any detail, I’m still a little muddled about it and focusing on learning more before I commit to any answers, but based on what I think I know already I do think you’re on the right track. My research is leading me down the same path and has been for a while now. I found your post very helpful, so thanks again. I hope to read more from you as time goes on. 
 

I also resonate with @78ast78dgyad’s thoughts about PKD. Again I’ve been interested in his writings for years and dip into his Exegesis from time to time. 
 

These are all aspects of the truth, I’m convinced. I’ve just got to continue putting all the pieces together.

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1 hour ago, Four Flies said:

My thinking is very similar but I’ve not worked out any detail, I’m still a little muddled about it and focusing on learning more before I commit to any answers, but based on what I think I know already I do think you’re on the right track. My research is leading me down the same path and has been for a while now. I found your post very helpful, so thanks again. I hope to read more from you as time goes on. 
 

I also resonate with @78ast78dgyad’s thoughts about PKD. Again I’ve been interested in his writings for years and dip into his Exegesis from time to time. 
 

These are all aspects of the truth, I’m convinced. I’ve just got to continue putting all the pieces together.

Yea exactly. No one person has all the pieces but when brought together and discussed the larger picture comes into focus. David Icke is pretty much 2nd to none when it comes to exposing the global conspiracy. My research is more top down - knock out the higher philosophical questions and then the rest can start to come into focus.

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A long reply, please bear with me

 

From Genesis (King James Version) Chapter ONE

26. And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Now we move on to Chapter TWO :

7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

8And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

15And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

16And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

22And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

And now to Chapter EIGHT

1.  And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

2That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

So now for the crunch. We are told that "All men are equal, regardless of race, colour or creed, because we all come from Adam and Eve."

This is patently NOT true, because we have the offspring of Adam and Eve (The sons of God). We also have the sons and daughters of man who God created on the sixth day and we also have the "Fallen Angels"

So will someone explain in very small words, who are these people and how can you claim that all men on earth come from Adam and Eve and are thus all equal?

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2 hours ago, Mikheil said:

A long reply, please bear with me

 

From Genesis (King James Version) Chapter ONE

26. And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Now we move on to Chapter TWO :

7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

8And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

15And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

16And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

22And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

And now to Chapter EIGHT

1.  And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

2That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

So now for the crunch. We are told that "All men are equal, regardless of race, colour or creed, because we all come from Adam and Eve."

This is patently NOT true, because we have the offspring of Adam and Eve (The sons of God). We also have the sons and daughters of man who God created on the sixth day and we also have the "Fallen Angels"

So will someone explain in very small words, who are these people and how can you claim that all men on earth come from Adam and Eve and are thus all equal?


I’ve looked into this over the last couple of years and I probably agree with you in part. Certainly people are not equal. Additionally I don’t think the Bible necessarily teaches that all who are today called people are from Adam and Eve either. “Equality” is read into scripture not from it.

 

That said I believe you are making an assumption that the first two chapters of Genesis are purely chronological. Chapter 2 is probably a restating of Chapter 1, possibly from a different source or author, and were brought together into the ‘book’ we call Genesis. It is likely that the Sons of God are men and the Daughters of Man are women and called such because they came from man (Adam’s rib in the story). This explanation seems to work.

 

As for the fallen angels, they are not relevant when we’re talking about people. They aren’t people. They are simply fallen angels. The Bible says nothing of their creation.

 

https://www.bibleodyssey.org/en/passages/related-articles/two-creations-in-genesis

 

 

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2 hours ago, Mikheil said:

A long reply, please bear with me

 

From Genesis (King James Version) Chapter ONE

26. And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Now we move on to Chapter TWO :

7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

8And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

15And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

16And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

22And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

And now to Chapter EIGHT

1.  And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

2That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

So now for the crunch. We are told that "All men are equal, regardless of race, colour or creed, because we all come from Adam and Eve."

This is patently NOT true, because we have the offspring of Adam and Eve (The sons of God). We also have the sons and daughters of man who God created on the sixth day and we also have the "Fallen Angels"

So will someone explain in very small words, who are these people and how can you claim that all men on earth come from Adam and Eve and are thus all equal?

I'll attempt to explain this using the parable of the wheat and the tares.

“The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; 25 but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way. 26 But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared. 27 So the servants of the owner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’ 28 He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ The servants said to him, ‘Do you want us then to go and gather them up?’ 29 But he said, ‘No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.” ’ ”

 

There are two types of beings on this planet, actually three. There are what you call the organic portals or HPBs who are literally the children of the devil, that is, they are conceived in lust and partake of the nature of the fallen angels. They have zero spiritual component. The parable 'and man became a living soul' is an allegory for when the first spirit beings incarnate, and the lightbulb goes on in their head. Then there are the children of light - immortal souls who come from the ‘pleroma’ and expand God into this null void. The third are the workers for the kingdom of dark - fallen spirit beings, walking demons.

 

Here is a passage from the 'Revelation of Peter' in the gnostic texts elaborating on this:

Mortal Souls Are Different from Immortal Souls (75, 7–76, 23) 

 

“Evil cannot produce good fruit. 25 Everything, wherever it comes from, produces what is like it. Not every soul is of the truth or of immortality. In our opinion, every soul of these present times 26 is assigned to death and is always enslaved, since this soul is created to serve its own desires. These souls are destined for eternal destruction, in which they are and from which they are, for they love the creatures of matter that came into being with them. “But immortal souls are not like these, Peter. Still, as long as the hour 27 has not yet come, an immortal soul resembles mortal souls. It 28 will not reveal its true nature: it alone is [76] immortal and contemplates immortality, and has faith, and desires to renounce these mortal souls."

 

An 'immortal soul' is a Spirit being incarnate in the 'homo sapien' genetic scaffold. An immortal soul is who Christ was speaking to, NOT the tares - homo sapiens. Human = immortal, sentient. Homo sapien = mortal soul. A mortal soul resembles an immortal one in the same way wheat resembles a tare. The reason they 'resemble' each other is because you cannot physically distinguish a pure homo sapien from a human - a spirit being incarnate in the sapien genetic scaffold. They look the same on the outside but not everyone has what you would call spirit. There are 'bodies' walking around that are no esta en casa empty vessels.

 

IF the biblical narrative is somewhat correct, Angels existed as spiritual Individualities before the formation of our solar system. Before God created the material universe and the solar system, these spiritual beings existed in His spiritual kingdom. These Angels who rebelled against God’s Kingdom (the chief of whom is the Devil) rebelled before the material creation and the manifestation of their war against God’s spiritual Kingdom is declared in the mortal of the physical creation. All mortal creation is unreal and as God is the only Reality and Life, the unreal is Death. Death is simply defined as the absence of life. And the archons or fallen angels are in essence an inversion of life. Thus, their creation is death, aka not-life.

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For the record, this is exactly what David Icke says in his books as well. The archons 'downloaded' a fake counterfeit copy of golden age earth - eden, and entrapped souls within their AI simulaiton matrix. Except everything within their matrix reflects death.

Is this not the law of this place, i.e. the survival of the fittest? The law of death permeates all of 'nature'.

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7 hours ago, Four Flies said:


I’ve looked into this over the last couple of years and I probably agree with you in part. Certainly people are not equal. Additionally I don’t think the Bible necessarily teaches that all who are today called people are from Adam and Eve either. “Equality” is read into scripture not from it.

 

That said I believe you are making an assumption that the first two chapters of Genesis are purely chronological. Chapter 2 is probably a restating of Chapter 1, possibly from a different source or author, and were brought together into the ‘book’ we call Genesis. It is likely that the Sons of God are men and the Daughters of Man are women and called such because they came from man (Adam’s rib in the story). This explanation seems to work.

 

As for the fallen angels, they are not relevant when we’re talking about people. They aren’t people. They are simply fallen angels. The Bible says nothing of their creation.

 

https://www.bibleodyssey.org/en/passages/related-articles/two-creations-in-genesis

 

 

Then who are "the axemen and swordsmen of Satan's hosts" also mentioned?

 

That's the one thing I just love about these religions. On the one hand, you say. "The Bible is the word of God, every word is the truth", but the minute something pops up which doesn't fit your narrative, just like the Scamdemic, you hastily blame it on misinterpretation, "the chapters are out of order", "He didn't mean what it says."  The is ALWAYS, some nifty sidetracking. Over the years there have been hundreds of "New Interpretations, New Translations". Each one carefully designed to fit in with the beliefs of the specific beliefs of the believers.

 

I'm an Atheist, I don't believe a word of it. It's a clever story to try to exert some early control over human behavior. Every culture on earth has a religion of some sort. The all have a "god" and the ruler on earth is 'god's emissary", It would have been easier for a cunt like Boris the Clown to do a Dubya and say "God came to me and told me what to do" Fifty years ago, the people would have swallowed that shit, hook, line and sinker, but the Cabal made the mistake of taking religion away, so they no longer believe that a twat like Boris is God's hand. But they believed Dubya and Teflon Tony!!!

 

Almost every war has been fought over religion. I'm not sure about the upcoming one. Will it be the morons in the USA who believe that they control the universe and start war with Russia and China or will it be Islam that takes up arms against non-Islam, or will it be "the Cabal" who are determined to wipe the White race off the face of the earth? 

 

Over the years, they've used religion to control selective breeding (incest). They've used human's most productive time to prevent breeding (pedophilia). They've turned women against men, turning men into homosexuals and women into lesbians. They've instilled the need for children's education, so they can brainwash them from an early age and control them. At the same time, they made it more expensive to educate kids and made sure that White folk don't have more than one or two children, so if every couple only have ONE child, they halve the White population every generation. If some have two kids, they will only maintain the current population. They've KNOWINGLY, put phthalates into just about everything, so men have low testosterone, (obesity), erectile dysfunction and impotence. They've KNOWINGLY infected just about everything we eat with Roundup. making things even worse by causing cancers. They've been "vaccinating" the " dumb sheep" with poison, to cause cancer, autism, diabetes, and God knows what else.

 

Now, to put the cherry on top, they are encouraging transgenderism as well, so without any further interference, the White race is doomed to become extinct in the not too distant future.

 

NONE of these edicts have ever been passed down to Blacks or Muslims. They are encouraged to breed like rabbits, they practice selective breeding, incest, pedophilia, rape. They don't eat the same shit that we eat. (Go spend some time in the Middle East if you don't believe me). The Blacks in Africa and South Americans don't eat whiteman's shit either. I doubt everything is soaked in Roundup.

 

Not content that Whites are making themselves extinct, Billy Gates wants to hurry things along and he want's to cull a lot of the others as well. Blacks and Muslims are not as gullible as white folk, they won't be queueing and fighting each other to get a "Kill Jab"

 

The bottom line here is :

Who are the "Sons of God" white, black, muslim, jew?

 Who are "men" white, black, muslim, jew?

Who are the "axemen and swordsmen of Satan's hosts? 

 

If you are believers, I'm sure you can tell us which of the above are going to be exterminated and which will survive, or do you think that Jesus is coming to save us?

 

Let me tell you what I think. White people are gullible, easily brainwashed and we are like fucking lemmings and we can't wait to commit racial suicide. IT'S TOO LATE, we've already done it. There will never be a return. Perhaps the Russians MAY survive, but I think that the USA will start WW3 if they think this might happen. Maybe it's the Chinese who are "the sons of God" maybe the Muslims? I doubt that any of us will be allowed to live very much longer to find out.

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This is a long post, so bear with me, and as Icke would say, keep an open mind.

 

I was reading some of his latest book ‘the answer’, and correct me if I’m wrong, but there is quite a bit of overlap between Mr. Icke’s work and contemporary Christianity. Yes, he does make the distinction that the whole ‘savior’ concept is seen throughout many religions, including pagan religions i.e. Horus, but if he is citing Gnostic literature to support his claims on who the archons are, then he can’t entirely ignore Christ. After all, the information contained in the Nag Hammadi texts can ultimately be traced back to Christ. Quoting from the secret book of John:

“ Hymn of the Savior (30, 11–31, 25) 

Now I, the perfect Forethought of the All, transformed myself into my offspring. I existed  first and went down every path. 138 I am the abundance of light, I am the remembrance of Fullness. I traveled in the realm of great darkness, and continued until I entered the midst of the prison. The foundations of chaos shook, and I hid from them because of their evil, and they did not recognize me. Again I returned, a second time, and went on. I had come from the inhabitants of light—I, the remembrance of Forethought. I entered the midst of darkness and the bowels of the underworld, turning to my task. The foundations of chaos shook as though to fall upon those who dwell in chaos and destroy them. Again I hurried back to the root of my 

light so they might not be destroyed before their time. Again, a third time, I went forth—I am the light dwelling in light, I am the remembrance of Forethought—so that I might enter the midst of darkness and the bowels [31] of the underworld. I brightened my face with light from the consummation of their realm and entered the midst of their prison, which is the prison of the body. I said, Let whoever hears arise from deep sleep. 139 A person wept and shed tears. Bitter tears the person wiped away, and said, “Who is calling my name? From where has my hope come as I dwell in the bondage of prison?” 

 

I recall from his book ‘tales of the time loop’ that Icke essentially describes how our reality became a Frankenstein matrix that was so vibrationally dense that the entrapped consciousness (souls) could not escape its walls. Whose to say that Christ’s appearance was not a pivotal part in the dismantling of the perceptual slavery system? That above quote from the gnostic texts would lend credence to that theory. You could say that Christ is that being which leads all life back to God - he is the direct emanation of the Godhead, 'the Son'. Christianity has been so culturally contaminated that people have become programmed to reduce Christ down to ‘a really nice guy.’

 

Mr. Icke seems to at once acknowledge in his books the presence of the darker aspect that controls out reality, namely ‘the archons’ or fallen angels; with Yaldabaoth/Lucifer/Satan being the main antagonist.

 

Not unlike a theologian, he is essentially telling us in some mysterious way that there is a Devil who is a personal being and who is opposed to God and who is the enemy of our souls, but as usual he does not tell us who the Devil is, where he came from and what he is. He does not elaborate that the Devil is in fact a fallen angel and the chief of those who were cast out of heaven for rebellion against God before the material creation existed.

 

That is to say, the Devil is a fallen angel spirit and the chief of those angel spirits who were cast out of God’s spiritual kingdom and from His spiritual presence, Life and Light into spiritual darkness and death for having rebelled against His spiritual Kingdom—against Him as Life.

 

These are “Demons” or evil angels; “For there is a numerous band of these Fallen Spirits.”—Mark 5:9. And Lucifer was among the highest of all God’s Angels:

 

You were the signet of perfection,*

   full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.

13 You were in Eden, the garden of God;

   every precious stone was your covering,

carnelian, chrysolite, and moonstone,

   beryl, onyx, and jasper,

sapphire,* turquoise, and emerald;

   and worked in gold were your settings

   and your engravings.*

On the day that you were created

   they were prepared.

14 With an anointed cherub as guardian I placed you;*

   you were on the holy mountain of God;

   you walked among the stones of fire.

15 You were blameless in your ways

   from the day that you were created,

   until iniquity was found in you.

16 In the abundance of your trade

   you were filled with violence, and you sinned;

so I cast you as a profane thing from the mountain of God,

   and the guardian cherub drove you out

   from among the stones of fire.

 

Now I discuss what Icke has termed the archon ‘hack’:

 

Essentially, the Material creation is the counterfeit of the Spiritual World. The Spiritual is real, the Material is Unreal. There is a correspondency in the Spiritual and Material World's, Life is in Spiritual and Death is in the Material. 

The counterfeit of the Real—Darkness and death, as the opposites of Light and Life, did not exist until Lust was conceived in the Consciousness of the Souls of the Spiritual beings made in God’s image. 

 

The reason the mortal creation dies is that it was not spiritually conceived by God. It is infinitesimal and thus does not really exist. 

Evil (the mind of lust) cannot produce good fruit, that is why the mortal dies. This material universe was 'manifested' as a consequence of Lucifer's rebellion against God. This entire finite multiverse is God manifesting the opposite of himself -- the mortal concept -- as the result of their transgression. 

 

The heavenly domains (eden) are the creation of God’s mind, and reflect life. The biblical ‘fall of man’ is the spiritual man becoming conscious of the physical man, and knowing the difference between the two. That is, the man made in God’s image yielded to the minds of the fallen angels, and mortal propagation is the result.

 

This is essentially the dual nature of all existence. 

 

Spiritual life is Internal—physical life is external. Spiritual life is a reality—the Truth—and exists in the divine mind. So-called physical life is error and is unreal to the divine mind and only exists in the mind of the senses of the mortal creation. Spiritual life as manifested in physical life is the reflection and the image of God, the Reality of Spirit; all spiritual life, as manifested in physical life, is derived from Spirit. There is not any inherent life in matter.

 

As the conception of evil fades out of the consciousness of the minds of the beings created in God’s image, then the ‘physical’ counterpart of the realm ceases to exist - God has filled that void.

 

The attributes of the Fallen Angels are expressed in the personality and nature of the material and physical man. Their minds are manifested in the Soul through the mortal mind of the physical man. 

 

This descent of higher consciousness into this archontic matrix, and becoming consequently entrapped, is known as ‘the fall of man’ in Christian theology. 

Clarifying: The physical domains are the manifestation of the minds of the Fallen Angels, and reflect death. The heavenly domains are the manifestation of God’s mind and reflect life. The difference is in their permanence: the physical domains are finite (mortal, infinitesimal), the heavenly domains (eden) are infinite. 

 

What consciousness is then doing here is essentially peering into an infinitesimal domain. What lies beyond the confines of this body-mind perception is, as David Icke correctly postulates — infinite awareness, which is governed by the law of existence: infinite love. That is (if you are a spirit being…not an ‘organic portal’ with no spiritual component) your consciousness is actually an infinite being of infinite scope ‘constructed’ of the same stuff as God - unconditional love. Your life with a name and address is a non-existent construct, a fleeting perception.

 

Also correct: the ‘fallen angels’ are essentially a distorted form of awareness that has lost their heart centered connection with ‘ the One’ - God. They were caste from his presence into spiritual darkness. God withdrew his light from them when they sinned against him.

 

What ya'll think?

 

 

The question is when did this layer of fake reality be put over the Earth?

 

 

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Infinite Love Is the Only Truth. <<There is the correct frame of reference from which to operate from. This has been communicated over and over to us, but it seems "unrealistic", or too simple. And of course since untruth had been accepted as true, not so easy to turn it around=repent. It's ALL in the mind.

Faith is trust in spite of seeming evidence to the contrary.

 

I Am not in the body, the body is in my mind. I Am not in the world, the world is in my mind. I Am not an ego or a body. I Am Spirit-Consciousness-Life-Alive a part of THE ONE Within THE ONE. THE ETERNAL ALWAYS THAT IS THE TRUTH=REALITY=GOD.

 

One thing... there was no "rebellion", or sinning against GOD,, that's a guilt-trip that is invalid and imprisoning. What occured was an entering into the unknown...which could only be ...the unreal. All is and remains Innocent in Reality---where ALL That is Real IS. Fantasies, illusions, dreams based on untruth count for nothing, except a momentary interruption of communication/conscious contact with GOD. No harm done. GOD gave the answer, an agent operating within, aka Holy Spirit/Truth=our link/wavelength to re-establish contact/communication.

The ego is anti-Christ fake illusion-derived self---hostile to Truth. It sort of takes on a life of it's own, and attempts to possess and substitute for Self/GOD. The Matrix is ego-constructed.

The ego runs away or dissolves in the presence of The Truth(sanity/Reality). The Real never dies.

 

 

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4 hours ago, novymir said:

Infinite Love Is the Only Truth. <<There is the correct frame of reference from which to operate from. This has been communicated over and over to us, but it seems "unrealistic", or too simple. And of course since untruth had been accepted as true, not so easy to turn it around=repent. It's ALL in the mind.

Faith is trust in spite of seeming evidence to the contrary.

 

I Am not in the body, the body is in my mind. I Am not in the world, the world is in my mind. I Am not an ego or a body. I Am Spirit-Consciousness-Life-Alive a part of THE ONE Within THE ONE. THE ETERNAL ALWAYS THAT IS THE TRUTH=REALITY=GOD.

 

One thing... there was no "rebellion", or sinning against GOD,, that's a guilt-trip that is invalid and imprisoning. What occured was an entering into the unknown...which could only be ...the unreal. All is and remains Innocent in Reality---where ALL That is Real IS. Fantasies, illusions, dreams based on untruth count for nothing, except a momentary interruption of communication/conscious contact with GOD. No harm done. GOD gave the answer, an agent operating within, aka Holy Spirit/Truth=our link/wavelength to re-establish contact/communication.

The ego is anti-Christ fake illusion-derived self---hostile to Truth. It sort of takes on a life of it's own, and attempts to possess and substitute for Self/GOD. The Matrix is ego-constructed.

The ego runs away or dissolves in the presence of The Truth(sanity/Reality). The Real never dies.

 

 

How do we know there was no rebellion? Can you explain the origin of the Archons/Fallen Angels without interjecting some sort of 'split' where higher consciousness became completely disconnected with 'the One' i.e. God?

 

That is in effect ignoring the darker aspect of our reality because it is unpleasant. It's all too easy to label biblical revelations as myth, in fact, it's trendy. Now I'm not a fundamentalist who is trying to convince you to repent or be damned, but the bible is allegorical and cannot be correctly interpreted by most. For example: there was no literal apple on a literal tree in a literal eden. No one has ever been tempted by an apple.

 

We have Revelation 12:7 giving perhaps a glimpse as to what occurred to cause this split in consciousness, i.e. fallen angels:

 

"Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

10Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say:

“Now have come the salvation and the power

and the kingdom of our God,

and the authority of his Messiah.

For the accuser of our brothers and sisters,

who accuses them before our God day and night,

has been hurled down.

11They triumphed over him

by the blood of the Lamb

and by the word of their testimony;

they did not love their lives so much

as to shrink from death.

12Therefore rejoice, you heavens

and you who dwell in them!

But woe to the earth and the sea,

because the devil has gone down to you!

He is filled with fury,

because he knows that his time is short.”

 

That doesn't sound like kumbaya my lord, but make of it what you will.

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7 hours ago, PH196 said:

How do we know there was no rebellion? Can you explain the origin of the Archons/Fallen Angels without interjecting some sort of 'split' where higher consciousness became completely disconnected with 'the One' i.e. God?

 

That is in effect ignoring the darker aspect of our reality because it is unpleasant. It's all too easy to label biblical revelations as myth, in fact, it's trendy. Now I'm not a fundamentalist who is trying to convince you to repent or be damned, but the bible is allegorical and cannot be correctly interpreted by most. For example: there was no literal apple on a literal tree in a literal eden. No one has ever been tempted by an apple.

 

We have Revelation 12:7 giving perhaps a glimpse as to what occurred to cause this split in consciousness, i.e. fallen angels:

 

"Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

10Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say:

“Now have come the salvation and the power

and the kingdom of our God,

and the authority of his Messiah.

For the accuser of our brothers and sisters,

who accuses them before our God day and night,

has been hurled down.

11They triumphed over him

by the blood of the Lamb

and by the word of their testimony;

they did not love their lives so much

as to shrink from death.

12Therefore rejoice, you heavens

and you who dwell in them!

But woe to the earth and the sea,

because the devil has gone down to you!

He is filled with fury,

because he knows that his time is short.”

 

That doesn't sound like kumbaya my lord, but make of it what you will.

The Hebrew words for apple have other meanings, but 'eat' is the same word as 'sex'. Eve was tempted by the "great Serpent who is Lucifer" who is also mentioned as 'Satan', so Satan seduced Eve. They had sex

 

4. And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

5. For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof (enjoy sex), then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

6. And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. (They had sex as well).

7. And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons. (The start of Religion proclaiming sex as something sordid. Make people ashamed of their bodies).

 

 

14. And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life.

15. And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. (How do you make enmity between the children of Eve and SNAKE'S children? Grow up!)

16. Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. (oh, yes, believe every word (unless it's something you don't agree with)).

 

 

20. And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living. (How could she be the mother of Men, whom God created on the Sixth Day?)

 

1. And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD. (What she meant was, I have gotten a man from SATAN as a result of her copulation with him in the Garden of Eden.)

2. And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.

 

8. And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.

9. And the LORD said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?

10. And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.

11. And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand;

12. When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.

13. And Cain said unto the LORD, My punishment is greater than I can bear.

14. Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.

 

And so here we have just defined the seed of Satan, so we have  :

Men - Created in Day Six

Adam and Eve's children, but TWO DIFFERENT RACES, one from Cain and one from Abel.

The fallen Angels.

 

This gives us FOUR different races and if we take away the Fallen Angels we still have THREE.

 

So now, Bible Busters, wiggle your way out of that, but remember every word is true. All cleverly written so there can be dozens of different "interpretations"

 

What almost all religions are in reality saying is the following :

 

God is a spiteful, malicious thing. He created the earth and men and everything. Then he thought, "how can I make the life of these things as bad as possible so the they can never feel happy? Ah, I've got it. I'll create a man and woman. I'll endow them with organs to copulate and I'll make copulation REALLY good. Then I'll tell them never to do it, because sooner or later they will. When they do. they must feel guilty. I'll give the woman a body that man will desire, but if he does, I'll make that a sin as well. I'll give him the power to sing, dance and make music, but then I'll make sure that any of those are a sin as well.

 

Oh yeah, then I'll let it be known that they sinned before they were even born. Original sin that's it. Then I'll make their offspring want sex even before they reach puberty, but that will be a MASSIVE sin. What else? Hmmm, let me make my followers who tell the masses to worship me to be celibate. So although they have the same sexual urges, the silly fools can't indulge in it, so they'll molest little boys instead.

 

Then I can also tell some of my faithful followers to cut the head off anyone who disagrees with them. Oh yes, then I can let them learn how to make alcohol, but damn them if they actually drink it.

 

Oh yes, the final twist. If anyone breaks any of my rules above, I'll promise them everlasting torment, He He, <chuckle> they'll ALL sin, so they'll all be terrified to die.

 

IF there was such a Being, it would NEVER be that cruel. So being an atheist is probable doing less harm to any God than being a Few, A Muslim or a so-called Christian.

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7 hours ago, PH196 said:

How do we know there was no rebellion? Can you explain the origin of the Archons/Fallen Angels without interjecting some sort of 'split' where higher consciousness became completely disconnected with 'the One' i.e. God?

 

That is in effect ignoring the darker aspect of our reality because it is unpleasant. It's all too easy to label biblical revelations as myth, in fact, it's trendy. Now I'm not a fundamentalist who is trying to convince you to repent or be damned, but the bible is allegorical and cannot be correctly interpreted by most. For example: there was no literal apple on a literal tree in a literal eden. No one has ever been tempted by an apple.

 

We have Revelation 12:7 giving perhaps a glimpse as to what occurred to cause this split in consciousness, i.e. fallen angels:

 

"Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

10Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say:

“Now have come the salvation and the power

and the kingdom of our God,

and the authority of his Messiah.

For the accuser of our brothers and sisters,

who accuses them before our God day and night,

has been hurled down.

11They triumphed over him

by the blood of the Lamb

and by the word of their testimony;

they did not love their lives so much

as to shrink from death.

12Therefore rejoice, you heavens

and you who dwell in them!

But woe to the earth and the sea,

because the devil has gone down to you!

He is filled with fury,

because he knows that his time is short.”

 

That doesn't sound like kumbaya my lord, but make of it what you will.

The Truth. They fear it. They mock It, they deny It, they attempt to counterfeit It, they try to subvert It, hijack It, piggyback on It,  discredit It, kill It. The war is in the mind, the enemy is untruth.

The way in to this world is the same way used to exit it. But to you, that is a denial of "reality". *Now*. In the unreal, untrue, delusional dream of lies. There's ONLY ONE WAY OUT. We cannot take untruth with us. Everyone eventually will accept The Truth. Some will drag out resistance til the bitter end.

Fuck the "devil", it's a PIPSQUEAK. Guilt-tripper, liar, and spell-caster, and it's in our heads. Telling us to fear, and believe it's counsel, and resultant illusury miscreation. And it tells us that is "reality". It's a liar. It slanders GOD and GOD'S Creation.

 

I've been in the dark, I know of the dark. It's called ignorance, believing(and seeing) in things not of GOD'S Creation. A temporary tuning out of Reality.

 

We can chase ideas all over the place within this illusion...the illusion won't teach us anything except how to remain within it.

 

 

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