Pessimism On The Covid Crisis

[Bee]

11 hours ago, Shining-one said:

Essential liberties people died for in WW2 are under attack and what matters is to stand on the principles they fought for. 

Yes and thats the issue. Too few are willing to stand on the principles. WW2 wasnt won by handing out leaflets and peaceful protesting was it?

 

Im sure your friend is lovely but it is those like her with their continuing ignorance over covid, the vaccine etc and lack of intellectual curiosity who have led us to where we are. And sadly those traits will likely be passed on their kids. Thousands have died due to covid measures and after a year there is just no reasonable excuse for those who remain determinedly, willfully ignorant.

Edited March 18, 2021 by Bee

[Mikheil]

I think chemically castrated and brainwashed into a different reality would be a better description. Most men today HAVE NO BALLS. I will show no mercy to any thug who beats up on one of my family. There is no room on this earth for a thug who pushes my wife onto the ground or beats up on her. I will hunt the cunt down and give him the same treatment, even if I have to do it in a fucking wheelchair.

 

But then, none of my family are stupid enough to go on a "peaceful protest".

[Bee]

37 minutes ago, Mikheil said:

I think chemically castrated and brainwashed into a different reality would be a better description. Most men today HAVE NO BALLS. I will show no mercy to any thug who beats up on one of my family. There is no room on this earth for a thug who pushes my wife onto the ground or beats up on her. I will hunt the cunt down and give him the same treatment, even if I have to do it in a fucking wheelchair.

 

But then, none of my family are stupid enough to go on a "peaceful protest".

It works both ways :) Anyone who attacked my husband would be wise to have life insurance. I would hunt them down with no hesitation. Nothing to do with gender stereotypes.

 

[Mikheil]

Oh YES. You have a lucky husband.

 

Both my wife and daughter used to go with me to gym 3x weekly, we are all very competitive they are both incredibly strong - how many women over 40 can squat 200 kgs and bench press over 100kgs? They would come down with great wrath and furious anger on anyone who hurt me (that's if I left anything for them!). Come to think of it, how many 79 year old men can bench 160kgs?

 

People need to get fit, get strong and prepare for war. I started this when I was thirteen. Even now at 80, I'll go to war at the drop of a hat, so will my wife and daughter, but you can shove "peaceful protests" where the sun never shines.

[Allya]

l tend to use a little mind game on the local pram pushers and dog draggers it goes a little like this.

Out exercising on one of my beautiful horses ...deliberately round the conversation to “have you been offered or had the vaccine yet?” State there’s no way lm entertaining it, hit them with if your vet suggested that you could give little Snowy or Bella (insert name of dog being dragged)an experimental vaccine with no certain positive result, but in fact could kill the hound the following day would you book the dog into the vets?

Pat beautiful mount on the neck inform them no way would I do that to this horse and ask her to walk on. I swear I hear cogs whirring in their brains, occasionally peas just getting stuck. Seems to me human life is cheap Snowy and  the Bella’s health and welfare are worth questioning.

[Mikheil]

Oh boy! Are you wrong! In the 1960's and 70's, we had a 3-in-1 vaccine for puppies. Distemper, Hepatitis and Leptospirosis. 

 

I used to buy boxes of it complete with syringe and diluent. for 25c per dose. I could buy boxes of Rabies vaccine for 25c as well. The recommended price for vets to charge was 100 times more. I was with the military, so I didn't have to rip folks off. 

 

The 3 in 1 was supposed to be renewed every three years, but they decided to make it yearly to give vets a bit of extra cash!

 

Rabies was good for 5 years, but in rabies infested countries, to play safe, they made it every three years.

 

Today, it's gone from 3 in 1 to something like 12 in 1. They demand it gets done every year. Kennels demand that you have a RECENT kennel cough vaccine. You don't have to be a vet to see  how much animal health has deteriorated over the years. I get letters every year from the local vet to take my dog in for "all his/her shots". I shred them, I have a big garden. I can't take my fucking dog for a walk outside because someone just may ask for its vaccination certificates and if they aren't up to date, there's a chance that the poor dog will be euthanized.

 

The sheeple take their poor fucking animal to the vet every year, on demand and have it pumped full of poison. Their are countless numbers of people who see that their dog is sick, listless, off it's food, diarrhea, fever, and sometimes even death, but despite this they trot obediently to the vet every year for more of their fucking poison. Now the criminal vets, like criminal doctors are pushing to get Rabies jabs every year.

 

A colleague of mine, way back then in 1976 and on worked in a veterinary hospital. He PROVED the Parvo virus was NOT feline panleukopenia that had jumped the species barrier, but it was laboratory made and it was distributed in something they called "the puppy measles vaccine". You were supposed to give this to 6 week old pups to prevent distemper. I was distributed world-wide via the Smith Kline French puppy measles vaccine. He even got samples from 8 or 9 different countries and he had the batch numbers as well. When he gave the paper to the Dean for review, it was quickly buried.

 

When the vaccine for parvo came out, breeders were told to vaccinate the bitch before she was mated, again, 3 weeks after mating, and three weeks before puppies were born. The pups were dying like flies. We knew a big security company that had well over 1,000 dogs and they bred most of their own. We took the bitches and tested the parvo antibody titer. We found two distinct lines, Some had no or very few antibodies, some had high antibodies.

 

Vaccinating bitches with low antibody titers, increased the titer, with the second shot, it made little difference but the one before puppies were born showed ZERO antibodies, so the pups never got immunity from their dams and they died.

 

Vaccinating bitches with a high antibody titer, REDUCED the titer and after the second vaccination (after mating) there were  ZERO antibodies. Oh what fun!

 

My colleague rushed the paper to the Dean (his original paper on the origin was still "under review"). The following day, he was called into the Dean's office. The Dean took his paper and carefully fed it into the shredder and told my colleague that if he ever spoke of this again he would be instantly dismissed. He valued his job. He begged me not to speak of it but I didn't have a copy of his work, so it wasn't possible to "blow the whistle" so as to speak.

 

This is another VERY good reason that I would never fall for this Covid "vaccine". If you have immunity already, it will probably reduce it and the second shot will make sure that you have NO immunity. There again, it's quite possible that shot one is the vaccine, shot two is something innocuous (saline?) and when you roll up your sleeve like a good obedient sheep for your booster you have fuck all immunity and ready for Covid-21, which will kill you.

 

 

 

 

Edited March 18, 2021 by Mikheil

[Shining-one]

I have a few points to make. I may be wrong, of course. It's just my current take on the situation.
(1) Human beings have become "feeble minded", insecure and often paranoid. I believe the root cause of it is the Social Media and I.T. experiment. This led to a decline in skills, potential, industry and a huge decline in education as well as social activity. Therefore people are existing with no purpose or sense of adventure and risk. Little wonder what we see unfolding is widespread mental illness.
(2) I believe this "dreaded virus" is real enough but vastly exaggerated. It does pose a risk to those with underlying health problems. However, drug companies and politicians have vastly exaggeraged the risks and fooled many others in government to over react.
(3) We are totally justified to reject this vaccine if we choose. There is ample justification as politicians are trying to grab a share of the drug market, putting lives at risk.
(4) I personally don't believe the vaccine was designed to poison us. I just think it's been rushed. I am against such products unless the risk is one similar to AIDS, which really did kill. I think excessive medications are crippling our immunity. It's no longer medication but a crutch.
(5) I advise avoiding media and negative publicity that personally just winds me up. Media is just full of negative scare-mongering. I even avoid newspaper headlines.
(6) For this current defeatist hysteria to abate may need time. Probably it will destabilise society so much, lessons may finally be learned.
(7) Friends and family must be free to make choices you may strongly disagree with. This is about the freedom to just say "No". It's the concept of vaccine being forced that's the issue for me. My friends have accepted my view and some have changed their former position.
(8) We need to avoid a whirlpool of negativity. Stop saying it's hopeless. Stop giving strength and credibility to a useless, defeatist ideology. Let it fall when people finally realise it offers nothing at all.

[Shining-one]

As to violence, they say Karate Kid (the 1980s original) was about Karate as an aggressive combat vs Karate as a defensive art. The character of conflict was Daniel Larusso who was being bullied at high school. So, Miyagi the Japanese Karate expert taught him defence.
There was a great scene in Enter The Dragon where Bruce Lee states his style was an art of fighting without fighting.
I prefer defence to offence. Offence is like imposing a view by force. Defence is resisting force by tactic or using the opponents own strength against themselves.
Besides Muhammad Ali was a defensive fighter who used his wits - beat the Vietnam draft.

[Mikheil]

On 3/18/2021 at 9:23 PM, Shining-one said:

I have a few points to make. I may be wrong, of course. It's just my current take on the situation.
(1) Human beings have become "feeble minded", insecure and often paranoid. I believe the root cause of it is the Social Media and I.T. experiment. This led to a decline in skills, potential, industry and a huge decline in education as well as social activity. Therefore people are existing with no purpose or sense of adventure and risk. Little wonder what we see unfolding is widespread mental illness.
(2) I believe this "dreaded virus" is real enough but vastly exaggerated. It does pose a risk to those with underlying health problems. However, drug companies and politicians have vastly exaggeraged the risks and fooled many others in government to over react.
(3) We are totally justified to reject this vaccine if we choose. There is ample justification as politicians are trying to grab a share of the drug market, putting lives at risk.
(4) I personally don't believe the vaccine was designed to poison us. I just think it's been rushed. I am against such products unless the risk is one similar to AIDS, which really did kill. I think excessive medications are crippling our immunity. It's no longer medication but a crutch.
(5) I advise avoiding media and negative publicity that personally just winds me up. Media is just full of negative scare-mongering. I even avoid newspaper headlines.
(6) For this current defeatist hysteria to abate may need time. Probably it will destabilise society so much, lessons may finally be learned.
(7) Friends and family must be free to make choices you may strongly disagree with. This is about the freedom to just say "No". It's the concept of vaccine being forced that's the issue for me. My friends have accepted my view and some have changed their former position.
(8) We need to avoid a whirlpool of negativity. Stop saying it's hopeless. Stop giving strength and credibility to a useless, defeatist ideology. Let it fall when people finally realise it offers nothing at all.

I absolutely agree with points 1, 2 and by the mot part 3 as well. Of course the 'flu poses a risk to the old, frail, terminally ill people and those who have wasted their lives by being idle, and eating and drinking too much. I'm afraid I have ZERO sympathy for the grossly obese people we see waddling around in the street. If you refuse to take care of your body, then you deserve all your problems.

 

Likewise, if you allow your brain to die by never having any work for it, or you put something over your mouth and nose, which asphyxiates you and deprives your brain of all the oxygen it needs to function, why be surprised when you get dementia? I don't believe anyone with advanced dementia (my mother had it) has any fear of death, because they don't even remember what life and death is.

 

It isn't defeatist when you KNOW that your race is being carefully exterminated. it's FACT/ As for choice, we live in a democracy. The new definition of democracy is :

 

You can have freedom of speech - as long as we don't disagree with you.

You have freedom of choice, - but we will override your choice "for your own safety"

You can wander where you please - as long as we allow it.

You can do anything inside the law, but if there isn't a law to prevent you, we will quickly make one.

You may vote for whom you please, but if a party wins that we didn't fix to win, we will find a way to negate your vote "For the Greater Good" 

 

So much for Democracy and freedom. 

 

The new Rule of Law is TYRANNY, that simple!

Edited March 20, 2021 by Basket Case
Tyranny spelling

[Edgecrusher]

Typo of the year so far right there 

[Shining-one]

21 hours ago, Mikheil said:

I absolutely agree with points 1, 2 and by the mot part 3 as well. Of course the 'flu poses a risk to the old, frail, terminally ill people and those who have wasted their lives by being idle, and eating and drinking too much. I'm afraid I have ZERO sympathy for the grossly obese people we see waddling around in the street. If you refuse to take care of your body, then you deserve all your problems.

 

Likewise, if you allow your brain to die by never having any work for it, or you put something over your mouth and nose, which asphyxiates you and deprives your brain of all the oxygen it needs to function, why be surprised when you get dementia? I don't believe anyone with advanced dementia (my mother had it) has any fear of death, because they don't even remember what life and death is.

 

It isn't defeatist when you KNOW that your race is being carefully exterminated. it's FACT/ As for choice, we live in a democracy. The new definition of democracy is :

 

You can have freedom of speech - as long as we don't disagree with you.

You have freedom of choice, - but we will override your choice "for your own safety"

You can wander where you please - as long as we allow it.

You can do anything inside the law, but if there isn't a law to prevent you, we will quickly make one.

You may vote for whom you please, but if a party wins that we didn't fix to win, we will find a way to negate your vote "For the Greater Good" 

 

So much for Democracy and freedom. 

 

The new Rule of Law is TRANNY, that simple!

There's always been crisis periods. Especially wars. We cannot prevent others from making the wrong decisions. We cannot wave a magic wand and prevent social, economic and political decline. We can, however, stand on solid principles and not budge from the moral highground. In my book that means freedom of thought and expression. Freedom of association. Freedom to protest. Freedom to express your views in the mass media or press. Freedom to make choices concerning the health of your children. 

For me these are personal principles. Those who oppose these views are not in my ideological camp. However, many friends don't seem to realise how important principles are. They mistakenly think it's O.K. to just go along with what others are doing.

Now, Muhammad Ali became the most hated man in America when he refused to fight in Vietnam. There were people writing letters to the press stating their sons were going out to fight in Vietnam and Ali was a traitor and a coward. Three years later a whole lot changed. Millions protested. The war turned out to have been unsuccessful. Ali became one of the most admired men in America. Ali forgave those who had ditched him during the period of isolation from boxing. Truth is few people have that kind of strength. 

[Shining-one]

"There is hope in people, not in society, not in systems, but in you and me."

Jiddu Krishnamurti

[Shining-one]

Protests today show increasing numbers of people are pushing back against attempts to destroy our personal liberty and free will. This shows that despite the rather pitiful subservience we've seen so far, there are still very many others who are ready to fight against fascism.
I believe large protests can be a good illustration of how the land lies. However, much more is needed.
Governments' main weapon has always been economic coercion. Modern societies by the 1980s evolved from Victorian sweat shop economics to a relatively prosperous set-up. Even those who were unemployed had ample social support and a free choice in what work to do. Gradually I became very aware all of this was being dismantled. Most people just stood by and shrugged off stuff like Workfare (unpaid labour). Or dubious wars undertaken without democratic process. Had people made a stand years ago, we'd not be facing the threat today of zero freedom.
Back to economic coercion. In the past the deal was you got a decent wage for a regular day's work. Most people were satisfied by the trade-off. Yet, over the last few years, working rights have faded. No unions. No choice what job you take. Very little security. And now we see it get taken a few steps further. It seems now these jumped-up, self-conceited and nasty, little tin-pot dictators seek the right to "force" random vaccines on the population. To do this they are counting on fear: "You'll lose your job. You'll be banned from social interaction or public places." And who knows, maybe social and medical welfare. For now, there is a wait and see approach. Will the masses lamely just give in - as they always do? How far can they be pushed?
To genuinely fight back there is a need to adapt big time and become self-sufficient. A survivor. To not sell your health and freedom for a bowel of rice. I know this is absolutely my decision and really there is no other effective way. If one accepts there is no choice but to starve when the money gets cut off, that creates serfdom. We do not want to go back to Victorian times of pre-revolutionary Tsarist Russia. Where millions toiled in ignorance and poverty.
This has never been more serious. A girl told me today her decision not to take the vaccine was recorded on paper. So far, I had about four letters. I think what happens next depends upon how many people (like those protesting) are not going to play ball. The bigger the divide, the harder it will get.
I respect the right of those who wish to vaccinate. I simply oppose it being forced on all of us. Using peaceful, determined opposition we can accomplish much. Support, information, legal channels and loopholes.

Edited March 20, 2021 by Shining-one

[Guest Gone Fishing...]

On 3/19/2021 at 12:10 AM, Edgecrusher said:

Typo of the year so far right there 

 

Well spotted :0)

Is fixed now. 

BC 

[Shining-one]

To add. I am trying to set a good example. I think it's true we can indeed fight back effectively by peaceful means. However, like very many of you it can make me get pretty angry. One reason why I usually avoid the media.
I'm a big fan of the TV series The Incredible Hulk with Lou Ferrigno and sometimes I feel like David Banner.

[Guest Gone Fishing...]

1 minute ago, Shining-one said:

and sometimes I feel like David Banner

 

"You won't like me when I'm angry.." 

[Shining-one]

I met some of those guys. Personally met Robby Robinson in Blackpool at the Mr Britain - as a guest star. He was in Pumping Iron with Lou Ferrigno.
I got curious and googled to see how Schwarzenegger feels about the Covid virus and was disappointed. He was urging people to have the vaccine. That really surprised me. Would he have felt that way decades ago if unable to train at Golds Gym?
Now what is interesting is it looks as if Dorian Yates (several times Mr Olympia, from Birmingham) is slamming the Covid agenda. That guy has some influence in sports. He seems to understand the impact of closed gyms and stadiums. He was very big in bodybuilding in the 1990s.
I know people who are role models have more responsibility to tread a steady path. I guess if it were me I would simply urge each individual to find out the facts and make their own personal choice. And add that liberty must never be allowed to die. Funny though how so many celebrities are being docile. People in the music industry used to be notorious for protest and defence of freedom.

[DarianF]

On 3/16/2021 at 8:23 AM, Shining-one said:

It's a New World Order.

 

It's the Old World Order... just with new puppets.

[old-timer]

On 3/16/2021 at 10:48 PM, Shining-one said:

I love this quote. "Defeat does not exist in this dojo does it?"

 " Fear does not exist in this dojo does it? "

He's teaching the concept of not being sidelined by negativity. Not allowing fear to get control.

Friends are afraid but for each person to control fear can be learned. Losing a struggle may be a hard blow to absorb but if you don't lose to fear you still win. People everywhere are afraid -they need this guy to pep them up.

 

 

My mum made my sisters and I take Karate lessons as young girls for our own self defense.

We had to carry a license at all times in case we ever needed to use it and there was a very apt quote in the back of that, it went like this;

 

 "THEY CAN CONQUER WHO BELIEVE THEY CAN"

 

I just wish I was younger and still fit!

[Shining-one]

Sensei John Kreese's Karate School could be a good idea today. Pushups on knuckles and so forth. Recently I started to consider there often come cycles in life where a lot depends upon the need to fight back. After all, the Shaolin monks formed a closed community of temples where they cultivated peace combined with martial arts.
Maybe the time is near when officials will be giving themselves the right to test us on the street or at home. Certainly looks that way. Self defence is designed for such cases. It's interesting to argue which is best. Bruce Lee swore Kung Fu was pretty effective and studied Wing Chun. Chuck Norris studied Tang Soo Do. Tyson did pretty well with boxing but there are other arts: Thai boxing, Judo, Savate, Karate and so forth.

[Shining-one]

Later I will get into psychology. I study clinical psychology and behavioural psychology, with emphasis on neurological disorders.
My theory is the Covid crisis can be summarised as a huge wave of mass hysteria provoked by an underlying cause. Deep insecurity. Unemployment, economic decline and so forth. Hysteria comes about when emotional insecurity and instincts displace logic and reason. This leads to delusion. The mind creates a different reality based on some perceived threat - witches, radiation or pandemics. This creates a plausible explanation to offload insecurity. Worse still, although the Covid virus has a biological aspect, many many cases are psychosomatic. Or psychogenic, hysterical symptoms of acute, social anxiety.
I see very many people who manifest hysteria. Such people are not governed by fact, moderation or logic. They are motivated by phobia, obsession and anxiety - even panic attacks. I fear even a panic attack today (with hyperventilation and palpitations) would be diagnosed as Covid. And if you imagine psychosomatic symptoms aren't serious, well, loss of speech or Catatonia or even fits can have a psychological cause.
The best source for all of this is Freud. Hysteria is evidenced by distorted associations of thought, all drawing from instincts and insecurities. It may even have been a major factor during the early Stalin era when people feared spies, enemies of the people, trotskyists and counter revolutionaries. This fear was tapped into by the NKVD (KGB) to gain control over millions of people.
How do you combat mass hysteria, paranoia and delusion? Maybe publically identifying it as real is a first step.
P.S The Koreans were pretty good at mind control. They used tiredness and massive programming (lectures, indoctrination) with group bonding and inclusion to gain control of cult converts. Years ago I had cause to read all I could on cults. Parents were even hiring deprogrammers to try and get kids out of cults.

[TFH]

If we truly can't beat them we may as well join them? 

[DarianF]

3 hours ago, Shining-one said:

Sensei John Kreese's Karate School could be a good idea today. Pushups on knuckles and so forth. Recently I started to consider there often come cycles in life where a lot depends upon the need to fight back. After all, the Shaolin monks formed a closed community of temples where they cultivated peace combined with martial arts.
Maybe the time is near when officials will be giving themselves the right to test us on the street or at home. Certainly looks that way. Self defence is designed for such cases. It's interesting to argue which is best. Bruce Lee swore Kung Fu was pretty effective and studied Wing Chun. Chuck Norris studied Tang Soo Do. Tyson did pretty well with boxing but there are other arts: Thai boxing, Judo, Savate, Karate and so forth.

 

When 30 cops smash down your door with assault rifles, your martial arts won't do much good. The elities know this. That's why they disarm their population before bringing the hammer down. Not saying martial arts isn't good for general self defence, but the new world order won't be coming to your house unarmed. Remember that.

[TFH]

On 3/15/2021 at 9:23 PM, Shining-one said:

Anyone feel the same way? I notice that often the tone of discussion on this Covid Crisis sometimes gets pessimistic. Almost as if, we are all doomed. Protest is futile. It's a New World Order. I then think to myself if Fidel Castro had felt the same way, there never would have been a change in the political situation.
One example is, for instance, when Trumps supporters literally forced their way into The White House, you would hear people cry it was all staged by the FBI. Or it was a trap to lure people into a scenario where they could be buried where they fell. Rather than the most obvious and simplest explanation: People got so damned furious they successfully made their point.
Personally I get frustrated hearing the line this is all "part of the plan" as if we no longer have a choice and can't get out there and make things happen. And here I don't mean violence. I mean organization, information and support to those who are now under pressure. And a recognition we are not all inevitably doomed. More to the point we are in a major crisis point but, hey, some of us are fighting back, refusing forced vaccines, handing out leaflets and standing on principles. I read the other day hundreds of people publically burned their facemasks. And now Spain has just suspended the vaccine - at least till they look at the facts.
We are not doomed to a dark and hopeless New World Order. We just tend to reap what we sow. Think defeat and you end up with defeat. Fight for change and that change may come.
How many optimists out there?





 

 

I find it interesting that on a forum such as this, your post received ONE like.

 

 

[DarianF]

2 minutes ago, TFH said:

 

I find it interesting that on a forum such as this, your post received ONE like.

 

 

 

Give it time. Might still get more.