Pessimism On The Covid Crisis

[Shining-one]

Anyone feel the same way? I notice that often the tone of discussion on this Covid Crisis sometimes gets pessimistic. Almost as if, we are all doomed. Protest is futile. It's a New World Order. I then think to myself if Fidel Castro had felt the same way, there never would have been a change in the political situation.
One example is, for instance, when Trumps supporters literally forced their way into The White House, you would hear people cry it was all staged by the FBI. Or it was a trap to lure people into a scenario where they could be buried where they fell. Rather than the most obvious and simplest explanation: People got so damned furious they successfully made their point.
Personally I get frustrated hearing the line this is all "part of the plan" as if we no longer have a choice and can't get out there and make things happen. And here I don't mean violence. I mean organization, information and support to those who are now under pressure. And a recognition we are not all inevitably doomed. More to the point we are in a major crisis point but, hey, some of us are fighting back, refusing forced vaccines, handing out leaflets and standing on principles. I read the other day hundreds of people publically burned their facemasks. And now Spain has just suspended the vaccine - at least till they look at the facts.
We are not doomed to a dark and hopeless New World Order. We just tend to reap what we sow. Think defeat and you end up with defeat. Fight for change and that change may come.
How many optimists out there?

[Mikheil]

It's sad, but we White people can never band together under a single leader, no matter how good he is or how much good he, she or it, is doing, You just have to look at Russia or ANY country to see that no matter what the common thread, they will NEVER work together.

 

With all the sheep, begging to be unpaid guinea pigs and willing to take an injection which they KNOW is killing people, how many to you think you are fighting? How many will join you.?

 

Even if you start to get a group of like-minded people together, one of them will disagree with some minute detail and start a new group in opposition to yours and this will happen ad infinitum

 

[shadowmoon]

2 hours ago, Mikheil said:

It's sad, but we White people can never band together under a single leader, no matter how good he is or how much good he, she or it, is doing, You just have to look at Russia or ANY country to see that no matter what the common thread, they will NEVER work together.

 

With all the sheep, begging to be unpaid guinea pigs and willing to take an injection which they KNOW is killing people, how many to you think you are fighting? How many will join you.?

 

Even if you start to get a group of like-minded people together, one of them will disagree with some minute detail and start a new group in opposition to yours and this will happen ad infinitum

 

A modern phenomenon is people asking for links/proof/documents on every single subject to be discussed.

Instead of agreeing that to be treated this way is simply wrong, we get mired down in endless arguments and point scoring.

 

"Dr Smith said this.."

"Well so what, Dr Jones said that..."

[Edgecrusher]

19 hours ago, Shining-one said:

One example is, for instance, when Trumps supporters literally forced their way into The White House, you would hear people cry it was all staged by the FBI. Or it was a trap to lure people into a scenario where they could be buried where they fell. Rather than the most obvious and simplest explanation: People got so damned furious they successfully made their point.

The trouble is with that is that no one watching could seriously have thought it was in any way real - surely? They didn't literally force their way in, we were shown they were deliberately ushered in, so we knew that that wasn't the case. It was one of the most obvious pieces of fakery around this whole thing - even the camera angles leading up to it. Am I missing something? If they didn't want people in, they wouldn't have been in there - period. If they didn't want people in, and people did get in it would have been horrendous.

There's pessimism around much of what's going on because so much of it isn't actually even a thing, or it's clearly being allowed to happen.

The only thing that's real are the people affected by the closure of hospitals and denial/slowing down of treatments etc, and genuine businesses (of which I'm one) and resultant job losses. The whole thing is an orchestrated piece of fakery on a level people will never comprehend.

A global crisis created out of thin air - nothing more. Pessimism is all it deserves.

Edited March 16, 2021 by Edgecrusher

[Shining-one]

"You just have to look at Russia or ANY country to see that no matter what the common thread, they will NEVER work together."

 

Russia is the perfect historical example. 

Hitler invaded the USSR and caught Stalin off guard. The initial losses to the USSR were devastating as German troops pushed deep into Soviet territory. Stalin then pulled himself together. The pushback against Nazi Germany was one of total war. The whole struggle was based on ferocious and unwavering resistance. There were even young women who flew plywood planes in the night and attacked German planes. 

Even given Stalin was a pretty dark dictator I think to defeat Nazi Germany, such a leader was crucial to defeating fascism. Imagine if Boris Johnson had been in the same position? Or most modern politicians. 

Consider the cost of our freedom exacted millions of lives, Europeans, Slavs, Jews, Britons and French Resistance. Worth considering how they would have felt to see us casually accept the kind of vision now being pushed forward. Not all of us, of course. A lot of people are waking up.

 

 

[Edgecrusher]

I think the sheep are what's getting people down.  They've certainly been the hardest thing for me to deal with, especially since the "vaccines" as I thought that would be the point when people said "hold on". Then it's masks in schools and you think this will wake them up... And yes, it seems to have but it's always a tiny minority. It will be the same when it's masks in primary schools and the "vaccine" in secondary schools.

These people watch X-Factor in their millions FFS. Where's the resistance coming from amongst those people? They're not even aware that something is even going on.

Not. A. Clue.

Are we really up to what it's going to take ourselves, the kind of people on this forum?

It's hard to be optimistic when you see such levels of ignorance and apathy. I'm even apathetic to a lot of it by my own standards just watching these idiots. How can it not drag people down...

I could scream at people every day. WAKE UP, WAAAAAAAKE UUUUUUUUP!!!

Edited March 16, 2021 by Edgecrusher

[Shining-one]

"It was one of the most obvious pieces of fakery around this whole thing - even the camera angles leading up to it. "

Most people tell me the Apollo Mission was faked. Not true. The science was pretty solid and engineered by elite German rocket specialists. 

This is my gripe: Where do you stop?

Were the huge protests in Madrid, Holland and Prague simply orchestrated by actors? Or are real people actually starting to attempt to do what students were doing over the Vietnam War?

There's a fundamental and prickly question I had to ask myself? Is the conspiracy argument often unintentionally programming us to throw in the towel. Everywhere, I hear "We're all in this together!" from those who follow the official hype, or I hear, " It's a new world order! " from others who oppose the actual hype. In the latter case, as if it's all a lost cause and we're all effectively sunk."

This situation is indeed a serious threat to liberty and civilization but here's better news:

(1) More people tell me they no longer believe the official line.

(2) Division and rift now evident in the EU due to suspicions of vaccine side effects.

(4) Opposition growing same as with Vietnam. 

Let's give time to time. Mistakes are already being made and changing the overall outlook, gradually. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Edgecrusher]

As I would like to think, most people on a forum like this are open to admitting being wrong about things, and I would say most are on here because they genuinely care but it's hard not to get so cynical about the world, and how apparently corrupt and unjust it seems to be becoming - and it's going to another level in front of our very eyes.

Of course there's a lot of good in it, and more decent people than not. I do think we're only seeing 70% of what's going on, and there's no doubt that summat ain't right.

I really don't have the answer, wish I did. All I can do is try and do my bit where I am, speak my truth, and hope enough do the same.

I'm not having the moon thing though 

[Shining-one]

22 minutes ago, Edgecrusher said:

I think the sheep are what's getting people down.  They've certainly been the hardest thing for me to deal with, especially since the "vaccines" as I thought that would be the point when people said "hold on". Then it's masks in schools and you think this will wake them up... And yes, it seems to have but it's always a tiny minority. It will be the same when it's masks in primary schools and the "vaccine" in secondary schools.

These people watch X-Factor in their millions FFS. Where's the resistance coming from amongst those people? They're not even aware that something is even going on.

Not. A. Clue.

Are we really up to what it's going to take ourselves, the kind of people on this forum?

It's hard to be optimistic when you see such levels of ignorance and apathy. I'm even apathetic to a lot of it by my own standards just watching these idiots. How can it not drag people down...

I could scream at people every day. WAKE UP, WAAAAAAAKE UUUUUUUUP!!!

Just got this mail from a woman:

 

"I was on a march this week and spoke to a deeply unpleasant man who said I was a danger to other people if I didn't muzzle myself and have the experimental jab."

 

 She says she's very involved with groups of people just like you and me.

 

Myself, I'm not the protest and march type but take my hat off to those who do. Sometimes I think protests require huge amounts of effort but cause most inconvenience to those who aren't actually making the laws. I'd like to see more organization the way political parties are organized. Such as advice offered on legal issues or employment complications. And methods to become more independent. 

At the nonent by the way I'm in the doghouse. Friends want me to have the vaccine so they can feel more secure but it's not working. Two people hung up on me today. 

[Edgecrusher]

13 minutes ago, Shining-one said:

Friends want me to have the vaccine so they can feel more secure but it's not working. Two people hung up on me today. 

They are not your friends. They will see you're right one day but it's not going to be an easy ride.

Edited March 16, 2021 by Edgecrusher

[Shining-one]

"It's hard to be optimistic when you see such levels of ignorance and apathy. I'm even apathetic to a lot of it by my own standards just watching these idiots. How can it not drag people down..."

 

My best friend was shocked by the fact I described a relative as "thick as two short planks." It wasn't meant to be cruel but the truth is, in my book, blindly doing what you are told is stupidity - when it applies to your own health. 

 Yes, so many people are stupid. It's one thing to make a personal decision over your health but it's plain stupid to walk around in an abandoned field with a stupid muzzle on. Really, not much that can be done in such cases. 

The family member I referred to as "thick" earned the term by her response to the European clotting concern. "I don't care, I would go and have the vaccine again tomorrow!" she said. I call it Stockholm Syndrome. People too afraid to make a stand try to fool themselves it's all for their own good. Pointless getting into wrangles.

[Shining-one]

1 minute ago, Edgecrusher said:

They are not your friends. They will see you're right one day but it's not going to be an easy ride.

She's still my friend. Friendship is sincere when its unconditional. Some are not as strong as others and may lash out. Besides I give as good as I get. 

 

[Edgecrusher]

6 minutes ago, Shining-one said:

"I don't care, I would go and have the vaccine again tomorrow!" she said.

They literally call you a fear monger by pointing them to VAERS, 5mins on there should be enough to not take it.

I just wonder what she'd say if her mum was one of the people to die within 20mins after having it - it's baffling. They're under a spell.

That's where the pessimism comes from, just seeing so much of this sort of thing. It's exhausting.

This level of stupidity see, is where "the resistance" is meant to be coming from. It's not going to happen, is there enough of everyone else? I just don't know, I really don't.

And I don't believe for one minute "this lot" know where this is going to end 100%. They're winging it big time, they have to be.

Edited March 16, 2021 by Edgecrusher

[Mikheil]

32 minutes ago, Shining-one said:

Just got this mail from a woman:

 

"I was on a march this week and spoke to a deeply unpleasant man who said I was a danger to other people if I didn't muzzle myself and have the experimental jab."

 

 She says she's very involved with groups of people just like you and me.

 

Myself, I'm not the protest and march type but take my hat off to those who do. Sometimes I think protests require huge amounts of effort but cause most inconvenience to those who aren't actually making the laws. I'd like to see more organization the way political parties are organized. Such as advice offered on legal issues or employment complications. And methods to become more independent. 

At the nonent by the way I'm in the doghouse. Friends want me to have the vaccine so they can feel more secure but it's not working. Two people hung up on me today. 

Marching and peaceful protesting is a COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME.

 

Robert Mugabe was right. Change comes from the barrel of a gun.

[MikeyC]

The government are so blatant in their contempt of the people. The weekly VAERS update is astounding with the amount of people affected with so many horriffic side effects yet they publish it and believe we have no power to fight back. All it takes is NO im not doing it and thats the start

[Shining-one]

I love this quote. "Defeat does not exist in this dojo does it?"

 " Fear does not exist in this dojo does it? "

He's teaching the concept of not being sidelined by negativity. Not allowing fear to get control.

Friends are afraid but for each person to control fear can be learned. Losing a struggle may be a hard blow to absorb but if you don't lose to fear you still win. People everywhere are afraid -they need this guy to pep them up.

 

[Edgecrusher]

10 hours ago, Mikheil said:

Marching and peaceful protesting is a COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME.

 

Robert Mugabe was right. Change comes from the barrel of a gun.

Am getting this with a few people that are going to the protest.

I just think you play into their hands. It gives them the opportunity to set some daft incident up... I think they have a good old chuckle at people being peaceful.

[Shining-one]

Patience with friends required. Remember that propaganda can be highly influential. Given so many millions of people believe in official spin, there is huge peer pressure to just accept so many people can't be wrong. My friend phoned me last night and needed someone to talk to. She's had her vaccination but her son has decided not to. She's got a job and I guess she's under more pressure than I am. The friendship is still fine.
Bottom line is for me it's just easier. I've always been a degenerate and distrusting of authority. Not very employable. And far less to lose.
As I say, it's still relatively early days. What's important is not to get drawn into wrangles and think long and hard about the ways and means to counter all this fear and propaganda thrown at us.
We can't just change or stop what's taking place but it's important to stay strong and uncompromising. We are not facing the type of organised war machine the Poles had to contend with in 1939. Nor Nazi tanks rolling into Russia. It's a good idea to stand firm and not get diverted by ideas we are all helpless.

[Guest Gone Fishing...]

3 minutes ago, Shining-one said:

It's a good idea to stand firm and not get diverted by ideas we are all helpless.

 

I posted this in the Mega Thread earlier. 

A more fitting place here I think. 

 

REJECT THE BLACK PILL 

 

 

[Shining-one]

I am with the peaceful approach. I only believe in violence as self defence.

[Bee]

17 hours ago, Shining-one said:

A lot of people are waking up.

 

 

I've been hearing/reading people saying this for years now. What does it even really mean? Even if more people are 'awake' (personally I cant stand the 'awake' terminology, its so arrogant, egotistical and superior) what's the point if they lack the backbone to do anything about what they have allegedly woken up to? What does being 'awake' matter without any action? It's really just a meaningless sop people use to try and convince themselves and others that things are changing for the better in the human collective consciousness. I think about all the awareness that was allegedly created out of the 9/11 situation. Where has it got us? Nowhere. People are saying the same old thing about 'more' people being 'awake' that they've been saying for years whilst in reality nothing has changed for the better in fact quite the opposite.

 

I had to go to the supermarket last week. I was the only person in the large, busy Tesco store not wearing a mask. The only one. Look at what so many parents are allowing the state to do to their kids even after a year and more than enough opportunity to see what's really going on. Look at the example they are setting the next generation, teaching them to be passive receptors of oppression and totalitarianism. Cowards creating more cowards with no will or wit to stand up for themselves.

 

I know there is a core of people trying to stand up and fight back but we are still very much in the minority. even amongst the so called 'awake' population everyone seems to want someone else to fix it all for them or are waiting for some kind of messiah to come and save them. If people still cant/wont see by now that the only ones who can save us are ourselves then what hope is there really? Sorry, I know I sound very negative but I now find it impossible to be optimistic after a year of this crap. I've never despaired of the human race so much in my entire life as I do now. I can no longer find any sympathy in me towards those who are still buying in to the covid scam after a year. Their willful ignorance has caused so many needless deaths and such acute harm to so many. I utterly despise the ignorant, cowardly zombies still shuffling around in their masks, still indulging and wallowing in the covid propaganda and fear mongering.

[Edgecrusher]

1 hour ago, Bee said:

I've never despaired of the human race so much in my entire life as I do now. I can no longer find any sympathy in me towards those who are still buying in to the covid scam after a year. Their willful ignorance has caused so many needless deaths and such acute harm to so many. I utterly despise the ignorant, cowardly zombies still shuffling around in their masks, still indulging and wallowing in the covid propaganda and fear mongering.

Amen.

[Shining-one]

I'm not saying we should be optimistic for those who already proved they have about as much backbone as the proverbial jellyfish. Or optimistic over useless politicians. What's important is to be optimistic for yourself and the values we know to be worth fighting for. Essential liberties people died for in WW2 are under attack and what matters is to stand on the principles they fought for. These liberties are fundamental to civilization and part of an individual's highest moral value.
Today I had a brief chat to an old friend I have always admired. She's female, married, lovely natured and has two kids. She works hard in a normal job. Well, when she was only about 13 she lost her mother to cancer. Her father had been a drunk and wife beater, so early life meant brief stays in a womens refuge. At 13, my friend went into State care and tells me she was supported and helped while there. Now I am delighted to see how happy she is. That is, still with her pic of her mother (clearly attractive) and a steady family and job. Anyway today I was telling her that, no, I won't be having the vaccine. She asked me why and I said I'm just not afraid of the virus and have no worries. She then seemed puzzled and asked what would happen to me if I got the virus and died. I then told her I had already experienced death by drowning as a child but someone had pulled me out just in time. I added that if I did get a bad virus at some point in my life, I dare say I would recover. This friend I have isn't at all weak. She's a real fighter in her own way. She just watches the news after work and believes the official line. She's no axe to grind over my views but for now just finds it strange.

Edited March 17, 2021 by Shining-one

[Shining-one]

Also I should add many thousands of people are protesting, forming groups or handing out leaflets. I've never been a great believer in the effectiveness of protests but, for sure, they are doing something. That's the main thing.
Those who follow the official line aren't all hopeless cases. Many may have grown up more trusting than you or me. Only a percentage are what you might call "lost causes". Mostly jobsworths and the intellectually bereft.

[Shining-one]

The phrase I dislike most is one I heard many months ago in a different discussion. "God help us all!". Seems to imply a condition of being a helpless victim.
At home I have a copy of The Pianist which is a Roman Polanski film about Nazi Germany occupying Poland. The pianist in the movie was Jewish. Polanski himself had been a boy in occupied Poland. To make matters worse, Polanski's partner Sharon Tate was later murdered by the Manson Cult.
Polanski's film is about the struggle against occupation and how the pianist attempted to weather the storm. It shows, in my view, history always has periods where our liberty is assaulted by those who have a dark vision of the world. Always people have resisted and, fortunately, a lot of the time we win. Sadly in WW2 there were millions of victims and many of these offered no resistance. In The Pianist, the main character and his family are ordered to wear arm bands so as to be identified. Reminds me of something.