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This is not a thread to bash Christianity, that's being done to death on many other threads, this is a thread to share what Christianity means to you. Now, I believe the Christs teachings have been co-opted into an organized religion and reduced to a load of Pagan orientated superstitious practices designed to feed the church money and power. However that was not Jesus's doing so now I've said that, nobody else has to and please don't bring up the Piso family I'm sure members here know all about that.

 

Its my understanding that Jesus' message was a simple one. He came to put an end to the old ways, the rules of the Old Testament and create a New Testament or agreement with God. He basically said treat everyone as you wish to be treated, get outside occasionally, and take a day off once a week, you have a soul and you will go to heaven when you die. That was it as far as I can make out, he also pointed the way to self improvement as a means to improve your soul. He revealed spiritual teachings for this purpose 'easier for a rich man to get into heaven than it is to thread a camel through the eye of a needle' 'In my fathers house there are many mansions' 

 

Yes he said many other things like 'Resist not evil' and 'Love thy neighbor' but these are covered in the 'treat everyone as you wish to be treated' virtually everything is covered in that teaching. Some of these sayings are spiritual truths that are good for the soul. If we all followed this simple advice we would have heaven on earth, no wars,no crimes, charitable towards each other and civil in our dealings with each other. That to me was what Jesus was trying to establish, heaven on earth, as above so below. Jesus' sacrifice paved the way, he demonstrated what he taught - resist not evil, judge not others, even at the point of death me maintained his truth. Then he died for it. In this act he established his church, his story would go on to convert millions, it changed society and if we only followed his example it would be heaven on earth.

 

There is no need for sacrifices or stonings, judge not, no need for churches and group prayer - 'if you must pray, pray in secret'no pagan rituals or superstitious beliefs required or payment for service like the selling of coins in the temple, the same scam goes on in the Roman Catholic church with the selling of special candles for particular ailments or events, its the monetization of religion, something Jesus was plainly against by kicking out the money changers in the temple. You do not need to pay for spirituality, you have it in your heart already, its just a matter of rediscovering it.

 

What do we know of the man, well the Bible calls him a Nazarene, thats a designation for a sect like the Essene and Gnostic, Jesus is also known as an Essene another sect. The Bible says he was a priest in the order of Melchizedek hence Jesus was an initiate into some sort of order, he would have had equals in that order and perhaps superiors. The Buddhists have it he went and studied with them for a few years and took the knowledge back East with him, the English have it he visited Cornwall with his uncle and possibly met with Druids. Seems he got about, we know he was conversing with priests in the temple as a child, surely his thirst for spiritual knowledge must have continued into his adult years right through until his re-appearence. He must have been travelling when we lose sight of him in the Bible, otherwise they would have known where he was. Was his message an amalgamation of all the spiritual knowledge he had learnt from travelling and learning from sects and orders, seems possible. I think his real name might be 'Esa' or 'Isa'

 

Hell appears to be a Roman Christian myth, it seems where reference to hell is used in the Christian Bible it is a mistranslation or misunderstanding. When Jesus said - 'and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it' apparently it actually states in the original text 'the gates of DEATH will not prevail against it' in other words when you come to the gates of your grave or your death, death will not prevail, you will live on. Similarly there was an area outside the walls of Jerusalem which was their rubbish tip, in order to keep it clean they set alight to it and burned the rubbish, if you was a criminal and sentenced to death and if nobody came forward to pay for your funeral, then your body was dumped outside the walls in this rubbish tip to burn - well nobody would come for your bones so you would be left there to burn for eternity - this has also been confused with hell. It seems all the Christian Bible references to it are mistranslations or misinterpretations or worse. 

 

What of Satan? Well what if Satan was just a psyche force, something with some intelligence that influences our nature. I think of him like this, if one night everyone in a city has a nightmare giving them a bad nights sleep, their day to day dealings the next day will be fraught. They'll be tired and irritable and anything could set them off in an argument, road rage would increase and the harmony in that city would be disturbed and the day to day dealings between the people would be affected negatively. Maybe thats all Satan is, part of our group conscious that has intelligence and the ability to influence our minds. If you focus on it, pray to it and invoke magical practices in its name then you get magical results by remotely influencing a persons psyche to your will, thats magic. It works similar to advertising and other spellcasters like the Bible, you read it, it gets inside your head and you change your behavior because of it, this is influencing another at will, this is magic. Ire_Mane said on another thread if you convince someone they are cursed, they will curse themselves and this is true. Its still magic, it worked and the curser influenced the experience of another. This is why Satan can be in any one of us and I don't doubt negative feelings attract its influence and by combining forces Satanists can present a formidable force. These are just thoughts I'm sharing some of my thoughts on Satan. Killing Raven Sum mentioned on another thread a thought I to have had, these spirits we deal with may just be part of Mother Natures spiritual realm localized to this Earth, Satan, Elementals and other such spirits may just be emanations from Mother Earth projected into the Earths consciousness that interact with our sub conscious designed to scare us into staying with her, like an overprotective mother keeping us bound to Earth and not reaching our full potential among the stars. 

 

God can be sensed by us, its to complicated to understand but God can speak to us. Sometimes I've felt like the universe is working just for me almost like its speaking to me. Meditation is the way to feel God and prayer is a form of meditation but not as good as stilling your mind. I had a weird experience once, in my early teens I had books on Yoga and meditation, one time I was meditating and a loud booming male voice spoke to me - 'Do you want to see your darkest fears' it scared the hell out of me - 'No' I said (Fuck Off in my mind) and I pulled myself out of meditation and sat about totally freaked out. This is the problem with spiritual work or occult dealings - you don't know what your going to get. Jesus didn't instruct us in how to commune with God hence I don't think its necessary. Jesus didn't establish a temple where his followers could meet every Sunday, he met them outside like the sermon on the mount. 'The Kingdom of Heaven is within you, not in your churches or mansions.' It is wherever you are right now, it is all around us and it can be heaven on earth if we only try. We are all the Son's and Daughter's of God and we all have a spark of the divine within us.

 

Feeding wild animals like the Buddhists is a great form of charity. Animals are in a daily struggle for survival taking food out and feeding them briefly alleviates that struggle for them, it is an act of compassion toward the universe and Gods creations. So get out there, feed the ducks, enjoy the world. Life is for living, don't overcomplicate it, your here to see, feel, love, experience. As I understand it, you only come through this way once, so try and make the most of it and above all - 'treat everyone as you wish yourself to be treated' to me, this was Jesus' way.

 

There is no second coming, Jesus is not coming back, he's to far advanced in his fathers mansions. He did his bit, now its up to us and its simple, treat everyone as you wish to be treated, listen to your heart and the rest will take care of itself, you will not end at death and will go on to one of the many heavens there are after this world. But remember, all the sages throughout the ages and Jesus have told us, the better you do in this world, in terms of personal spiritual development, cultivating an appreciation for life and being good natured, kind and charitable, the better it will be for your soul in the next.

 

You don't need a church to tell you what I have just written and if you read it and believe it you are 'Illuminated' which is all the ancient mystery religions tried to induce in their initiated - you have a soul, you are immortal and you will go on after this world. If you believe that, you are on the road to illumination, and if you achieve Christ consciousness you are a God on Earth, but even in our human state we are all part animal part divine and can play our part in building the kingdom of heaven.

 

I'm currently buying copies of 'The Anchor Bible Series' its a modern translation of the original texts, they are available second hand now as they're expensive new, it dispenses with the prosaic nonsense and is to my understanding just a literal and faithful translation of the original texts. I've previously read the KJV but was mindful that it was not faithful to the original text although it purportedly tried to be so. I've got Genesis and 'The Gospel of John' is winging its way to me. I chose John because its my understanding he was the closest to the actual Jesus. Its accepted that none of the Gospels was written as eye witness accounts but the Gospel of John was written by someone who knew an eye witness to the events. Hence its considered the closest to the actual timeframe of events. John also wrote Revelations and I will be getting a copy but I take Revelations with a pinch of salt, its a Kabbalistic text, Kabbalists are magicians and I therefore find it suspect. Besides Revelations is a description of a vision, an hallucination, who knows if it really is an account of the end times or something else. 
 

And lastly, is God really a 'He' its the female of the species that gives birth and God gave us life hence it seems logical that He is a She. Or as the Kabbalists have it - both. God created Man and Woman in his image, therefore is God not the mirror image of Male and Female? I think of God more of as an 'it' probably encompassing both male and female characteristics if it can be said. God is beyond our understanding. I've said it before, for me God is the soul of the universe. Something to ponder. But we are all part of Gods plan, that plan has been worked out to the minutest detail and it is unfolding exactly as it should.

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There are very few real Christians in the West.  In Eastern Europe there are still many monks and nuns living in cities and visible as there was in the West when I was young.  Many still pray judiciously every day and passed down through the family.

 

In the West people can't be f****ed.  They are so up their own backsides and conservatory extensions.

 

Jesus had 12 students only.  Not more, it is a rare thing.   

 

Love They Neighbour As Thyself

Western people who are natural victims like this phrase because it means somebody will be nice to you, and they will love you no matter how much you are evil and fk yourself up.

But a free license to do whatever is not what it means.

In fact Jesus gave TWO instructions, the first is to love the Lord your God with all your heart mind and soul, and only second is love thy neighbour as themselves ... which for Jewish people means to tell your neighbour off strongly if they do wrong - that is loving your neighbour is Judaism.  It is not "I don't see it when they are doing bad things".
Such evil interpretations of this statement .... is just ugly and insincere.

 

Resist Not Evil

This statement shows a kind of deeper insight into our situation that Jesus had.

Society creates a story of the "Bad Man" who is causing all our problems and the "Good Man" who will fix them all.

Of course the idea is that we are all very innocent bystanders.

But no .. .Jesus says you reap what you sow.

What you experience is the product of your actions, individually and collectively.

And in the current society ... people love the infighting and hatred ... gone are the Christian phrases that built our society .. people saying "You reap what you sow" ... to you in the Post Office.

They used to remind themselves.

We should be our brother's keepers, remembering the good law to each other each day and gradually as a group slowly climbing a mountain.

Today ... all people adore is their extensions and their brand of the "Bad Man" and "Good Man".

Such decline in such a short time.

 

Why Women Are Not Priests

It was not easy to find the answer, but there is an answer.  The first thing is we are designed to live as husband and wife and as that unit you are meant to live, if you do not ... then the divine plan is not going to work very well.

In that pairing the wife invests her energy for child rearing and all her faculties are developed towards that.

Men on the other hand have the most Objective Minds, which is related to the hunting faculty that men excel at.

For instance recently in the US the US National Womens Team (average age 24) played the 14 year old boys at soccer and lost 8-2.  And the women were 10 years older.

Anyway men's mins are more Objective, they can therefore understand the Word of God and pass it into the family.

This is the design, because the women is adapted for childrearing.

Of course such things mean nothing to those who murder their unborn but living babies whilst talking about Tinder.

 

Why God Is Male

Everything inside itself has both Male and Female energies at some level.  But of course for the human beings they are chosen as human men or human women, because they are designed as a pair.

When we talk of God we do not know what God looks like inside himself ... he is very very far away.

But ... we can relate to him.  Like the Moon relates to the Sun.

God is the Sun.

And we are the Moon ... which means our spiritual part is reflecting the light of the Sun.

If we die the Sun still shines on the other souls.

But if the Sun dies there is no light.

So God is the Sun, he is the light, and he is male and emitting.

Our spiritual part is receiving and is female in that relationship.

Of course God in himself we conjecture has a male and female aspect.

Taoism is very rare in the West but they are a tradition that focusses on the feminine aspect, the valley of the universe ... this is a very rare tradition that few know about it.

 

So ... as we see the wisdom that was passed down to us is absolutely concrete and objective and comes from wise people who did not have plastic money and plastic faces.

 

 

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Some good points there Rideforever.... I agree with far more of what you've written there than I disagree with....

 

Except perhaps 'Resist not evil'. 

 

I think Jesus' message was transcendence,  not so much fighting evil as transcending it and conquering it in that way...... 

 

It's quite telling that he admonishes Peter for cutting off the ear of the Jewish guard who had come to arrest them.... it's likely they could have made a fight of it and escaped.... but then what would Jesus have become? A mere bandit....... in order to be remembered by history and be granted spiritual power on this earth and in the next world he had to be more than just a guerilla warrior.... he had to transcend this Earth and its concerns.... and not fighting back meant he wasn't stuck in their game..... he wasn't just a pawn on the chessboard.... he was bigger than the game.

 

This too is why he doesn't speak to Pilate, and refused to cooperate with him: he wasn't playing Pilate's game... he had nothing to say to him even though he could probably have convinced him to spare his life and release him.

 

 

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Final addendum to my OP - 

 

The teachings like the eye of the needle and many mansions are teachings regarding your souls journey and are meant for higher adepts. Love thy neighbor, treat everyone as you wish to be treated these are teachings for you as a human being. To accept the immortality of the soul is to begin the path to illumination. To live without fear of death means you can face life without fear, this is Christ like and to be at that state you are entering Christ Consciousness. Jesus' teachings are enough to get you there if you have the strength of character.

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Jesus came to fulfil the law.

What does this mean?

Well Judaism is a well ordered patriarchal society, keeping boundary and defending itself, working hard and being productive, they have great intellectual and spiritual traditions and esoteric knowledge.

But ... what they lack is the flame, the direct transmission of the state.

And that is what Jesus is ... he transmitted the higher state ... directly.

This means that when he spent time with his students they started to experience inside themselves the State of Consciousness, this is represented as the halo, a golden sphere around the head ... this is because it feels like your min has expanded somewhat and is clear and pure and stable without noise thoughts or confusion.

Jesus directly transmitted this and several other things to his students.
Judaism did not.

 

That is why the Eucharist is practised ... it is the direct transmission of the State of Consciousness to the students.

In Zen they also do this but one on one in a private meeting called Dokusan.

The Eucharist is however more powerful as it works on both a higher and lower level.

In Church you can sometimes see very subtle glows around people's heads because they have initiated the State of Consciousness inside themselves and their souls will live after their body dies.

 

It is very rare for human beings to trigger this state without a teacher, very very rare.

In India for instance some sages die initiate the state privately in a cave ... however normally they spoke of the visitation of an immortal being (for instance Babaji) who transmitted it to them.

 

People who imagine it's all going to work out without a path an teacher ... are most likely kidding themselves.

For ordinary people in the West ... everything I have said on this page is so unknown to them, they can only run away and block their ears.

 

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26 minutes ago, rideforever said:

Why God Is Male

 

God is the Sun.

 

Not to me. The Sun is an emblem or symbol of God's power yes, so can be appreciated as a symbol of God's power but it is not God, God is that which created the Sun and everything else you see.

 

Jesus parodied the sun, I've quoted before 'Jesus said I am the light above all living things, lift a rock etc' in that teaching he is taking on the persona of the Sun as an allegory but he is pointing to the fact that God is His creator and the Sun's creator therefore God is not the Sun and to worship the Sun as God is to miss the point entirely and fall back to Pagan superstitions. 

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I'd dump the label "Christianity". And even "Christian", if one wants to be real nit-picky.

The "narrow gate" is for the individual, or maybe a pair.

The Truth is not of this world. And this world is not of The Truth. What can Reality Be, except True. What is that, then,,, that is untrue?

 

How Jesus did it?

He said this to ego(egoMatrix=fraud):

 

 

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11 minutes ago, rideforever said:

Which verse is that you are referring to ?

 

Gospel of Thomas Saying 77

 

Jesus said: I am the light that is above them all. I am the all; the all came forth from me, and the all attained to me. Cleave a (piece of) wood; I am there. Raise up a stone, and you will find me there.

 

If you split a piece of wood, light will appear between the two parts, if you lift a rock light will fill the space where it sat. Hence Jesus is alluding he is Sunlight and hence the Sun. But Jesus is also the SON of God, therefore if God is the Father and Jesus is the son who is also allegorically the Sun, then God is the creator of both Jesus and the Sun.

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The Sun is not a burning ball in the sky, the Sun is the portal from which The Truth and Salvation(awake-remember) comes into and out of the dream of lies, it is an entrance and an exit. The Son is the Totality of GOD'S Infinite Creation, of which We, "here" are but a tiny part of(nonphysical).

An anti-body(called The Truth/Spirit) entered the tumorous dream of lies(egoMatrix).  To remind us of ItSelf, and OurSelf. The Real. The Way out.

There is another physical realm, where Truth Rules, we cannot bring untruth with us...The Truth Heals All.

An anonoly within Reality started this thing.

An anomoly within the Matrix ended it.

 

The way out is the same way we got in. An inversion. Now a rejection/denial of perceived "reality".. Entering the unknown(unreal then).(now the unremembered is perceived as the unknown). Fear of unknown(unremembered actually, hinders).

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19 minutes ago, pi3141 said:

 

Gospel of Thomas Saying 77

 

Jesus said: I am the light that is above them all. I am the all; the all came forth from me, and the all attained to me. Cleave a (piece of) wood; I am there. Raise up a stone, and you will find me there.

 

If you split a piece of wood, light will appear between the two parts, if you lift a rock light will fill the space where it sat. Hence Jesus is alluding he is Sunlight and hence the Sun. But Jesus is also the SON of God, therefore if God is the Father and Jesus is the son who is also allegorically the Sun, then God is the creator of both Jesus and the Sun.

 

That only works in Germanic languages though..... I'm not sure he planned things quite that far and could foresee the creation of English where sun and son are homophones.

 

You're right that he alluding to sunlight though, that this is the true nature of God in this world.

 

Light. 

 

Light exists both in this dimension and in the next dimension since it travels at a speed which transcends reality itself.  

 

I made a video where I investigate this whole thing in some detail:

 

 

 

 

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76. Jesus said, "The Father's kingdom is like a merchant who had a supply of merchandise and found a pearl. That merchant was prudent; he sold the merchandise and bought the single pearl for himself.

So also with you, seek his treasure that is unfailing, that is enduring, where no moth comes to eat and no worm destroys."

77. Jesus said, "I am the light that is over all things. I am all: from me all came forth, and to me all attained.

Split a piece of wood; I am there.

Lift up the stone, and you will find me there."

78. Jesus said, "Why have you come out to the countryside? To see a reed shaken by the wind? And to see a person dressed in soft clothes, [like your] rulers and your powerful ones? They are dressed in soft clothes, and they cannot understand truth."

 

Here Jesus encourages you to find the pearl inside and sell all your merchandise to concentrate on it.  Later he says that your clothes are soft and are shaken by the wind.

What this means is that inside you there is a pearl, find it an make it your home, that is salvation to make a home inside the pearl that is within.

If you do not then all you have is soft clothes which will be torn by the wind.

The pearl is within ... as a potential, as a possibility, as a means of self-realisation.

But it is not already self-realised, self realisation requires conscious effort because it is like an ape who aspires to something higher than himself, it is not so easy a journey ... the journey leads to a higher part of himself, that he may or may not activate.  Just like the possibility to become a doctor, you may or may not activate that possibility.

 

Jesus in this mode is speaking from inside his realisation, he says :

"I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. They will come in and go out, and find pasture." John 10:9

 

He is talking from his realised state, he says you must come through me through this state.

But ... he does not always talk from within his state, the parables are more basic orientation to life and how to live it.

 

Most human beings live in confusion, they believe they are already great ... why?  Because they know not the day nor the hour, they fall on their face but just redouble their problems all the while smiling insincerely.  

 

Whoever finds their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life for my sake will find it.

 

This means that if you like most humans are full of yourself ... you will perish.

For the unconscious human there is only one self.

For the conscious man there are two, the false an the real that they can feel distinctly inside themselves.

 

Therefore, if you feel only one self then you are in the wrong place.

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18 minutes ago, novymir said:

The Sun is not a burning ball in the sky

It is true, everything is alive and the Sun is channelling some aspect of God's fine energies.  That is what light is, light is alive in some way.

Some esoteric people have details of which part of God's fundamental structure is emerged through the Sun portals.

 

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Not to me. The Sun is an emblem or symbol of God's power yes, so can be appreciated as a symbol of God's power but it is not God, God is that which created the Sun and everything else you see.

 

Jesus parodied the sun, I've quoted before 'Jesus said I am the light above all living things, lift a rock etc' in that teaching he is taking on the persona of the Sun as an allegory but he is pointing to the fact that God is His creator and the Sun's creator therefore God is not the Sun and to worship the Sun as God is to miss the point entirely and fall back to Pagan superstitions. 

 

The sun is a 4 dimensional portal. Energy from the 4th dimensional quantum realms comes to us from deep within the higher reality microcosm.

 

It's not that God created the sun, it's more that God is the energy of the higher reality which comes out of the sun. 

 

Jesus doesn't parody the sun, the Gospel of Thomas is not a wisecracking Jesus, it is Jesus revealing his greatest secrets, and one of those is the nature of God and once anything is exposed to light, then God is present. He says this himself as you point out.

 

Where do you think God would be if he were anywhere?

 

He wouldn't be in this universe living on some distant planet kicking back with a few cans watching the meat show he created..... instead he would be at the source of all energy and reality..... we are only an emanation from the higher reality and this higher reality is found in the subatomic quantum realm of which the sun is a portal....

 

The ancient Egyptians knew this, which is why they revered the sun:

 

Heaven and the nature of God in ancient Egypt seemed to focus on the sun and in my own previous book entitled Light in the Darkness I attempted to demonstrate that the sun is an energy portal into the quantum subatomic realm to infinity and, to quote Buzz Lightyear, beyond. In his book Ancient Egypt, historian and Christian theologian George Rawlinson suggests that the Ancient Egyptians also had this view that the sun was a portal through which they passed in order to enter the next world:


“Thoth standing by the while, with a tablet in his hand, whereon to record the result. According to the side on which the balance inclined, Osiris, the president, delivered sentence. If the good deeds preponderated, the blessed soul was allowed to enter the "boat of the Sun," Aahlu (Elysium), to the "pools of peace"..”
 

 

 

 

 

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Where do you think God would be if he were anywhere?

 

He wouldn't be in this universe living on some distant planet kicking back with a few cans watching the meat show he created..... instead he would be at the source of all energy and reality..... we are only an emanation from the higher reality and this higher reality is found in the subatomic quantum realm of which the sun is a portal....

 

Well I think God is both the source and all around us as the universe and in each and everyone of us at the same time.

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Well I think God is both the source and all around us as the universe and in each and everyone of us at the same time.

 

Of course. God is present in Light and the universe is full of Light. 

 

But light comes from the 4th dimensional quantum realm.

 

Light is an elementary 'thing' neither wave nor particle but both. It has a 4d form which we cannot measure.

 

It exists outside of time since it travels at the speed of light when T= 0. Therefore it exists in eternity.

 

Light records information. Every second of creation is eternally captured in light which can never be destroyed.

 

Think of how we can watch movies using light, record videos and photographs, and this is only fairly rudimentary technology.... think of how much more is possible with light...... light has a permanent record of  every second of reality itself.

 

Therefore nothing in creation is ever lost, it just moves on but can be replayed, this is how memory works, you access the light memory and it plays out in your mind.

 

We are made of light. 


Our souls are a form of EM energy (Light) which departs the body at death and then leaves this dimension and material world by hopefully reintegrating with the higher dimensional quantum realm of limitless energy. 

 

 

 

 

 

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Our souls are a form of EM energy (Light) which departs the body at death and then leaves this dimension and material world by hopefully reintegrating with the higher dimensional quantum realm of limitless energy. 

 

Totally agree with this, although I might phrase it slightly differently. We are energy and energy is not created or destroyed it is only transformed, hence when we die we are transformed into another realm.

 

The state of mind upon death will affect how and where you transition to, hence if you are at peace with yourself and the universe you will achieve a higher heaven or sphere in the afterlife. This is why Jesus' teaching was so simple, if you can accept his message (and others) that you will live on when you die you can be at peace. This helps. To enter the gates of THE Heaven though, well thats something Jesus was able to achieve but I doubt many of us will. But it doesn't matter, we will go on and be further 'purified' in the next realm and from there we will ascend higher and higher. I relate it to frequency and resonance, if we resonate with Jesus we will become like him, our EM field will be modified and we ascend spiritually.

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2 hours ago, Truthspoon said:

It's not that God created the sun, it's more that God is the energy of the higher reality which comes out of the sun. 

 

To add more, Yes, the sun is an emblem of Gods energy but to parody Bruce Lee - if you focus on the sun you miss all the heavenly glory. There are many suns hence our sun is no more special than any sun but they are all Gods creation. Then of course there is the metaphors of Light and the Sun to convey deeper spiritual teachings and your association of EM energy being of light and us all having light inside us. Most of this sun stuff is probably metaphoric and symbolic. But I do think the Christian church has been reduced to Sun worship. As long as they realize its just symbolic of the true creator and based on a reverence for nature I guess its fine, but if they are being tricked into worshiping something else as God, then that's not fine.

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7 hours ago, pi3141 said:

There is no second coming, Jesus is not coming back, he's to far advanced in his fathers mansions. He did his bit, now its up to us and its simple, treat everyone as you wish to be treated, listen to your heart and the rest will take care of itself, you will not end at death and will go on to one of the many heavens there are after this world

I am surprised you say no second coming as Jesus said himself he would return.

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27 minutes ago, Diesel said:

I am surprised you say no second coming as Jesus said himself he would return.

 

Just passing on what I have been told. My dad was spiritualist and he asked the spirits about Jesus and he was told - Jesus is to far advanced in his fathers many mansions to ever return.

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2 minutes ago, pi3141 said:

Jesus is to far advanced in his fathers many mansions to ever return.

Ok right although I thought Jesus was part of the Godhead, the trinity, father, son and holy ghost. 

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12 hours ago, Diesel said:

Ok right although I thought Jesus was part of the Godhead, the trinity, father, son and holy ghost. 

 

The Trinity is a Christian doctrine that was introduced in the 4th century. Back then it was contested. If you speak to the spiritualist they will tell you man is a trinity, mind, soul and spirit. If Jesus was really God incarnate it seems less likely to me he will return but if Jesus is his own entity then I guess he would be free to return. Although again, according to the spiritualists reincarnation is not the norm. Some people get to do it but certainly not everyone, Jesus would almost certainly be someone that could.

 

According to Thomas Sheehan -  who was a professor at Stanford University, in his book - The First Coming he asserts that Jesus only saw himself as a prophet but 50 years after his death the Church made Jesus the divine son of god. Sheehan also writes - 

 

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“This first step toward founding Christianity was a retreat from Jesus’ original message. It reinserted his TRANS-apocalyptic preaching into the apocalyptic expectations of the age… After Jesus’ death Simon… reified the future, sent it up ahead again in time, and identified that future with the Jesus who he believed was soon to return. The prophet’s message of urgency and immediacy… fell back into an apocalyptic eschatology, the awaiting of a future kingdom. Christianity is built on that mistake.”

 

In the blurb on the book it states - 

 

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The crisis grows out of the fact now freely admitted by Catholic and Protestant theologians: that as far as can be discerned from available historical data, Jesus of Nazareth did NOT think he was divine, did NOT assert any of the Messianic claims the New Testament attributes to him, and went to his death never intending to found a new religion called 'Christianity'

 

Here's some excerpts - 

 

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Even Mark's later revision of the legend did not answer the question of how Easter faith came about. His Gospel does have the angel allude to a future appearance of Jesus (" ... go to Galilee; there you will see him," verse 7), but Mark describes no such appearance, and in fact the angel's allusion may well refer to Jesus' hoped-for second coming at the end of time.


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How Jesus Became God
The first mention of Jesus anywhere in literature was made twenty years after he died, and is found in a text that records the already developed status of his reputation. Writing around 50 C.E., Saint Paul began a letter to a group of his converts in Greece with the following greeting:

 

To the Church of the Thessalonians
in God the Father and
the Lord Jesus Christ:
Grace to you and peace. (I Thessalonians 1:1)

 

This greeting--the very first sentence of Christian Scripture ever to be written--shows that within two decades of Jesus' death the Christian community had already elevated the prophet beyond his own understanding of his status and had endowed him with two titles, "Lord" and "Christ," neither of which he had dared to give to himself.

 

Paul also asserts that Jesus is soon to return from the heavens in order to bring God's kingdom to earth.

 

Conclusion
Second, Christianity abandoned the prophet's radical sense of time. By interpreting Jesus as savior, the church surrendered the present-future--the only place where the Father henceforth would dwell--and in its place constructed the mythical past-present-future of a cosmic "salvation history," according to which God had become man in the past, was reigning in heaven at present, and would return to earth in the future. In so doing, Christianity lost the core of the prophet's message of forgiveness: that the future was already present--grace was everywhere--and therefore that the arrival of the heavenly Father was transformed into the praxis of earthly liberation.

 

The bolded bit above is what I believe - Jesus came and established the Kingdom on earth, its here and now its just up to us to bring it to fruition.

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I'm not a fan of the Trinity........it's part of the North African Kabbalah trend which infiltrated the church in the 4th century or so.

 

https://www.truthspoon.com/search?q=Trinity

 

I do not think Jesus intended the Trinity to become this legalistic head-fuck and article of faith which it has become....

Theodosius I was the last emperor to directly reign over both the Eastern and Western halves of the Empire and was the first emperor to enforce the Nicene creed and made Nicene Christianity the official religion of the Roman Empire, other Christians who did not adhere to the specific Catholic Nicene creed he termed ‘foolish madmen’. One wonders then about the mental landscape of such people, might one not be allowed to term something of their character ‘pathological’, for to be largely in agreement with other Christians but perhaps to disagree on maybe one or two small legalistic points one is consigned the appellation ‘madmen’ and hunted down and persecuted with inhuman ferocity. Theodosius then went on to elaborate on the confusing and wholly unnecessary creed of the trinity, which had become central to Nicene Christianity, despite it having its actual conceptual origins in the Jewish Zohar.

             The Creation of Church Tyranny

Nicene Christianity was established by Edict of Milan in 313 AD which gave the Christian religion religious legal status within the Empire and is the basis of all nominally Christian churches presently operating in the world. It was here that Constantine I made the trinity an article of faith and cornerstone of the church yet it is based on one little line, a mere rhetorical device found in Matthew 28:19.

The Nicene creed established Jesus has having equal status with God and the existence of the trinity of the father, the son and the holy spirit, it also recognizes and codifies the supremacy of the Catholic church as being the ONLY church of Jesus and Christianity. “We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic church.

What is the origin of the trinity which is apparently so centrally important to the RC church? It is in the Jewish Zohar Tetragrammaton where we find the specific Catholic doctrine of the Trinity first expressed:

“Come and see the mystery of the word YHVH: there are three steps, each existing by itself, nevertheless they are One, and so united that one cannot be separated from the other. The Ancient Holy One is revealed with three heads, which are united into one, and that head is three exalted.”

Simeon bar Yochai was said to be the author of the Zohar and also expressed strong sentiments against non-Jews which many writers and cultural commentators argue, still informs Judaism today and is strongly expressed in the Talmud:

"Best of gentiles kill it, best of snakes cut its head, the most pious of women is prone to sorcery."

In Secret Societies and Subversive Movements Nesta Webster details how Jewish pseudo Messiah Jacob Frank sought to use the proof that the Trinity can be found in the Zohar as means to escape persecution from the church:

“The persecution to which he was subjected by the Rabbis led the Catholic clergy to champion his cause, whereupon Frank threw himself on the mercy of the Bishop of Kaminick, and publicly burnt the Talmud, declaring that he recognized only the Zohar, which, he alleged, admitted the doctrine of the Trinity. Thus the Zoharists claimed that they regarded the Messiah-Deliverer as one of the three divinities, but failed to state that by the Messiah they meant Shabbethai Zevi. The Bishop was apparently deceived by this manoeuvre, and in 1759 the Zoharites declared themselves converted to Christianity, and were baptized, including Frank himself, who took the name of Joseph.”

There is perhaps a certain irony that upon making Nicene Christianity the official religion of the Empire and ordering the banning of the ancient pagan rituals which had, it was believed, sustained the Empire for so long, that the Empire effectively began its eventually fall by breaking up into two halves, until finally the Western Empire withered and died less than fifty years later.

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Jesus was clear he was the Messiah and so was John who recognized him on sight as the Lamb of God, the who bathes not with water but with the Holy Spirit.  Jesus said that he was higher than the Judaic prophets because he would give them water from which they would never be thirsty.

He said "I Am The Gate".

 

What is the meaning of the Father Son and Holy Ghost.  Well it's like this:

 

1. Father : Universal Consciousness (Macrocosm)

2. Son (Soul) : Personal Consciousness (Microcosm)

3. Holy Ghost : a sense of divinity without identifying either the Father or Son in it ... or any emanation of God that can be felt

 

When you feel God it is your soul that feels Him, not your animal functions ... so you are actually experiencing yourself as the Son and feeling the Father through that aspect of yourself. 

So self-realisation is when an ape man has a sudden shift where he experiences his own Soul and the Universal Consciousness through it.  These are potentials in most people but are mostly not activated.

 

Whether these 3 are 1 ... is not really the point ... each one needs attention and deepening, although when you feel Presence inside you it can be challenging to determine which of the 3 you are experiencing.  We experience many things inside ourselves simultaneously so it is a skill to discern which it is.

 

In the Lord's prayer for instance you are invited to experience yourself from different positions on different lines of the prayer, and so the prayer is a kind of practice to awaken and integrate different parts of your existence, something like this:

Our Father : recognize universal consciousness

Who Art In Heaven : recognize it is in Heaven (i.e. it is of a higher intelligence)

Hallowed By The Name : recognize that Holy nature of this

 

This Kingdom Come : may consciousness grow through me

Thy Will Be Done : may my will be a refelcting of God's wil

On Earth : into this mortal plane

As It is In Heaven : so that it may be full of Light like Heaven

 

Give Us This Day Our Daily Bread : in our simple human lives and needs

...

...

And so on.

Most prayers are like this, they are a very profound and powerful practice if you know what you are doing which most Catholics do because as the prayers are read out they feel what they priest is feeling on each line and so they intuitively do the prayers more or less correctly and transform themselves.

 

Of course those books like Thomas Sheehan are not written by people interested in spirituality they just want attention and attack any structure in society to sound edgy, be that the family, white people, Jesus, the newspapers, history ... this is a cheap way to get attention from people who have no intention of working for a living like a normal person.

 

 

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Revelations.

 

Revelations is John's vision or hallucination, it has been said it is heavily kabbalistic text. We do not know its origin, divine inspiration or mislead hallucination. It may well be a black kabbalist spell. I mentioned earlier about Ire_mane suggesting if a person believes they are cursed they will curse themselves, well if Christians believe the end times are foretold they will actively work towards it. This is what we see with Christians supporting Israel in the hope it speeds up end times. We have 666 on barcodes, I don't care what anyone says about that - its there, look for your self. The thing is, if it is a dark spell, its working. Hence the prophecy has turned into a self fulfilling one. This is magic, its one way it works. The stupidity of Christians meddling with God's plan in an attempt to speed it up is moronic and anti life! They have no right, its God's plan not their's and they may well be playing into the hands of dark magicians with their stupidity. 

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