Ire_Mane Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 I'm a member of the A.'.A.'., and am willing to answer any questions you may have, at least as far as my own knowledge allows. I don't know everything. I also can't guarantee that you'll like all the answers that I'll give, but I'm also not here to tell you all that you're wrong about everything either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oz93666 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 Welcome to the forum Ire_Mane .... I should point out that I am the second , or "Red" Beast in the Thelemic tradition , Crowley's successor , and likewise am happy to answer any questions... Mr Crowley has two magical groups associated with his work.... The first is the Argentum Astrum (Silver Star) or AA which deals with basic traditional magical training The second is the OTO , dealing with sex magick The hidden meaning is that AA was named such because AA means Alcoholic's Anonymous , and students usually meet in pubs and are as fond of alcohol as they are of magic .. The hidden meaning of "OTO" is that it shows in glyph form the most arousing image for the male , the phallus between to breasts /buttocks ... Here are two questions to get the ball rolling ... 1 .... What is the "SIlver Star" is it a star in the sky ? Sirius ? or another ? 2. ... Glancing at the work of Crowley's era the casual observer is struck by the abundance of Banishing rituals ... we have the GD lesser and greater banishing rituals of the pentagram and hexagram (4 in total) .... then Crowley's own version 'Star ruby' ...Just what is the purpose of these rituals , What is the practitioner trying to achieve? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ire_Mane Posted March 4, 2021 Author Share Posted March 4, 2021 23 minutes ago, oz93666 said: Welcome to the forum Ire_Mane .... I should point out that I am the second , or "Red" Beast in the Thelemic tradition , Crowley's successor , and likewise am happy to answer any questions... Mr Crowley has two magical groups associated with his work.... The first is the Argentum Astrum (Silver Star) or AA which deals with basic traditional magical training The second is the OTO , dealing with sex magick The hidden meaning is that AA was named such because AA means Alcoholic's Anonymous , and students usually meet in pubs and are as fond of alcohol as they are of magic .. The hidden meaning of "OTO" is that it shows in glyph form the most arousing image for the male , the phallus between to breasts /buttocks ... Here are two questions to get the ball rolling ... 1 .... What is the "SIlver Star" is it a star in the sky ? Sirius ? or another ? 2. ... Glancing at the work of Crowley's era the casual observer is struck by the abundance of Banishing rituals ... we have the GD lesser and greater banishing rituals of the pentagram and hexagram (4 in total) .... then Crowley's own version 'Star ruby' ...Just what is the purpose of these rituals , What is the practitioner trying to achieve? The Silver Star is open to interpretation (as are most things), but the star Sirius is very important and is most likely the intended meaning. Sirius is referred to as the "sun behind the sun. The Star Ruby is simply a banishing ritual that Crowley created but never actually practiced himself. It's considered by many as nothing more than a practical joke or a useless snare by many. My own experience with it is that it is effective at banishing but in an almost too thorough sense. It practically creates a vacuum like effect, which can be useful when you have something specific to invoke, but dangerous when you do not. Nature abhors a vacuum, and the empty space will always be filled by "something". Crowley's rituals aren't so much "evil" as they are powerful and risky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ire_Mane Posted March 4, 2021 Author Share Posted March 4, 2021 34 minutes ago, oz93666 said: The hidden meaning is that AA was named such because AA means Alcoholic's Anonymous , and students usually meet in pubs and are as fond of alcohol as they are of magic .. The hidden meaning of "OTO" is that it shows in glyph form the most arousing image for the male , the phallus between to breasts /buttocks ... The A.'.A.'. and O.T.O. really are very different organizations. The O.T.O. is just a fraternal that really teaches nothing but rather mostly exists to perform the Gnostic Mass. The A.'.A.'. is much more of a teaching organization, though the student is left mostly to his/her own devices. I personally do not like the O.T.O. and have little respect for it. It's become rotten with elitism, sexism/misogyny, and classism. I would highly recommend that anyone interested in Magick and Mysticism seek it out on their own, as is the true way of the A.'.A.'., and not bother with the lodge systems. They're corrupt and obsolete, though they still contain some great members. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ire_Mane Posted March 4, 2021 Author Share Posted March 4, 2021 45 minutes ago, oz93666 said: Mr Crowley has two magical groups associated with his work.... The first is the Argentum Astrum (Silver Star) or AA which deals with basic traditional magical training The second is the OTO , dealing with sex magick Oh, and yes, the O.T.O. is almost exclusively concerned with Sex Magick. This was true even before Crowley took over the order. The name, The Order of Oriental Templars, refers to a synchronization of Christian Mysticism with eastern tantra. The A.'.A.'. is less exclusive in that it generally allows the aspirant to use the methods of his/her choosing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSM Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 (edited) Hi there I have little knowledge on this topic and am just being inquisitive so sorry if it seems trivial. Does it solely concentrate on magic, or is there prophacies or other aspects involved. Also I see you mentioned lodges and order of orient templars, am I right in thinking there's a link to knights templars and free masonary. Although I think freemasons are the templars rebranded but I could be wrong on that. Edited April 5, 2021 by GSM Spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea Sean Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 How much is it for a years breakdown cover ? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSM Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 On 3/4/2021 at 5:56 AM, Ire_Mane said: I'm a member of the A.'.A.'., and am willing to answer any questions you may have, at least as far as my own knowledge allows. I don't know everything. I also can't guarantee that you'll like all the answers that I'll give, but I'm also not here to tell you all that you're wrong about everything either. I've just been reading a illuminate mind control file/book and within it it lists of groups they use to help with the techniques of trauma and it lists OTO as one of its networks. Is that something you have knowledge about? And secondly if Crowley had two groups associated with him I'm guessing the AA would also be in the same field. Is this something you would have knowledge of? Or is the book simply slandering the organisations that crowley was involved with? On 3/4/2021 at 7:33 AM, oz93666 said: Welcome to the forum Ire_Mane .... I should point out that I am the second , or "Red" Beast in the Thelemic tradition , Crowley's successor , and likewise am happy to answer any questions... Mr Crowley has two magical groups associated with his work.... The first is the Argentum Astrum (Silver Star) or AA which deals with basic traditional magical training The second is the OTO , dealing with sex magick The hidden meaning is that AA was named such because AA means Alcoholic's Anonymous , and students usually meet in pubs and are as fond of alcohol as they are of magic .. The hidden meaning of "OTO" is that it shows in glyph form the most arousing image for the male , the phallus between to breasts /buttocks ... Here are two questions to get the ball rolling ... 1 .... What is the "SIlver Star" is it a star in the sky ? Sirius ? or another ? 2. ... Glancing at the work of Crowley's era the casual observer is struck by the abundance of Banishing rituals ... we have the GD lesser and greater banishing rituals of the pentagram and hexagram (4 in total) .... then Crowley's own version 'Star ruby' ...Just what is the purpose of these rituals , What is the practitioner trying to achieve? I just linked you in to see if you had much insight into the matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oz93666 Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 51 minutes ago, GSM said: I just linked you in to see if you had much insight into the matter. This is a very very big subject , I'll make a start and will keep going as long as someone is interested .... So ... Magic ? just what is it ... (not Magick that is another issue , perhaps latter ) ... Magic , in the popular mind is about getting what you want ..... a big pot of gold ... getting that cute girl to fall in love with you ... All conscious beings have the ability to cause effects , do magic , but every being has their limitations, so classical magic is about getting others , spirits , to give their help in achieving the result you want .... But first we should start with the Self .... It's often said the Self can do anything , we have unlimited power . That's a good positive mantra , but not true . We are limited in a human body , only partly manifest , partly expressed ... but there is a great deal we can do to optimize our performance ... The information on how to do this has recently gone mainstream in a big way , with books like "The Secret" and self help people like Anthony Robins "The Secret is a 2006 self-help book by Rhonda Byrne, based on the earlier film of the same name. It is based on the belief of the law of attraction, which claims that thoughts can change a person's life directly. The book has sold 30 million copies worldwide and has been translated into 50 languages" Self help guru Anthony Robins on Stage , he has a following of many 10's of millions The basic message from the above people is that you need to be clear on your goal , and focus on it , not just in a casual way , but with dedication , and follow through with powerful action ...There also needs to be examination of personal beliefs ... It's no good striving for wealth if you believe 'money is the root of all evil ' ... that money is not spiritual , these negative beliefs will sabotage your efforts . .... So this is the path millions of unseen people out there are perusing , trying to make the changes they want , whether that be loosing weight , or better personal relationships ... trying to make these changes by their own focused efforts ..... Magicians on the other hand are trying for a short cut ... enlisting the help of other beings , spirits , to help achieve their goals , and this we may cover in my next post here . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethel Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 20 hours ago, Sea Sean said: How much is it for a years breakdown cover ? You beat me to it, dammit! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSM Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 I'm reading one from Cisco wheeler and springmeier Im only in 44 pages but that's where the table of there networks are. I'm not trying to judge organisations helping out, so please dont think im trying to have a dig. Im more trying to gain a better understanding of the topic. It's logical that by sorting people into what there good at will benefit the field they end up doing, thus saves a lot of time wasting finding what suits you. But if that's all they did it wouldn't seem so bad, it's the other side of what they do which is concerning. I always had a theory that magic is more played a out by a group. For instance if someone curses you on there own it most likely wouldn't have effect, but if someone curses you and then a secret group helps ruin your life then a curse would work. I also think if you constantly think of wanting something then you will be drawn to what it is you want, but you would still have to put the work in to get what you want, you don't get anything for free. About 6 years ago I noticed things going on around me, I don't think it was gangstalking and only suffered pushback when I was publicly asking questions, that wasn't physical just more shutting me up. I remember when a women probably in her 50s said to the person next to her he can see us. She was right cos I was already filming at that point trying to prove it. That evidence was wiped somehow but I learnt eventually the more I pushed back the more trouble I was getting so had to reset my focus and learn to let it go and get back to living life. The magical world interests me of late and I was curious as to the difference between magic and magick, is it one is more casting by person individually and the other is a group played out agenda (weather you want someone eventually be priminister for example) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSM Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 OK on reading on I now have a better understanding of the moon children rituals which kind of lays out the type of things crowley was doing at the butterfly net. Did he ever acheive trapping a fourth dimension being in a embryo or was it a work in progress? I suppose it depends as what you define to be superman. Even a slight improvement would theoretically be a superhuman. I must ask Oz as you stated your rank in this area is this something you take part in. You said you was second/known as red beast, is that top dog so to say or second in command. I don't mind pm this stuff if your not comfortable on open forum. Or hear if you are comfortable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSM Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 When people do magic, does it come at a cost, ie action and reaction. I thought I herd that if you try to do a spell to cause harm it will have a effect on you as well as the target. Equally if you do a spell to say give someone wealth it would also have an impact on the person casting the spell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oz93666 Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 4 hours ago, GSM said: When people do magic, does it come at a cost, ie action and reaction. I thought I herd that if you try to do a spell to cause harm it will have a effect on you as well as the target. Equally if you do a spell to say give someone wealth it would also have an impact on the person casting the spell. Whether you cause harm by punching someone on the nose , or by cursing them using 'magic' , makes little difference , you will have to pay for it .... Karma is all reaching , and 99% of us are blundering around here unaware of the effects we have on others .... We all incarnate with the aim of resolving past errors , clearing bad karma .... but this place is the domain of evil spirits that push us to thoughtless bad deeds so nearly all of us end up leaving with more bad karma than we came with. So be loving , be kind , be generous and this will all come back to you . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSM Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 How did you get into this magic buisness then. Was it something you was always interested in or was you groomed for the role somehow? I know these organisations say you have to ask to join but was thinking do they mould you into what they want you to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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