Where Do You Stand On Virus Conspiracy?

[Shining-one]

I noticed we are all made up of a large group of people who have one major issue in common, but maybe other things not totally in common. 

We are all deeply troubled and angered by the way this virus issue has changed society for far the worse. That is agreed. However, which of these groups do you belong to?

(1) The virus is a complete fabrication, used as a pretext to sneak in social control, destroy freedoms and brainwash the masses.

(2) The virus genuinely exists but has been blown out of all proportion. Social hysteria has created a convenient opportunity for some to attack our freedoms.

(3)The virus is an occult phenomenon. There may be an unknown force controlling those in power, such as of extraterrestrial origen. 

(4) The virus is a bio-weapons attack launched by a hostile country. Or a bio-weapons project that escaped laboratory conditions and confinement. 

Just thought it might be interesting to explore this. 

[vinny79]

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[andy1033]

Covid19 like i said at start is airborne hiv.(an american bio weapon)

 

America did covid19 bio weapon attack on china, as trumps america was losing its trade war with china. America did in in last quarter of 2019, thinking that by time it got to america, it would be soft. Thats why trumps team were so quick on banning people from china when it went public.

 

It was the only way america could stop china in its trade war, and it certainly put a massive dent in chinas exports overall. America thought it would do more damage, but there plan overall failed other then that.

 

The covid19 is very real, and its airborne hiv.

 

I said, this at start and still hold to it.

 

Edited March 3, 2021 by andy1033

[Shining-one]

I tend to lean to position 2. I think a different virus did appear but that mass hysteria created a social delusion. A bit like what happened in the 16th century with witchcraft psychosis. 

I am strangely enough open to 3. I'm quite well read on the Zecharia Sitchin astronaut theory. I find it very credible that we have been controlled by certain forces since Genesis. However, a lot of people would dismiss me as a far out conspiracy crank on no 3.

Edited March 3, 2021 by Shining-one

[Fluke]

Open to 1 and 2 like you lean towards 2. 

 

There is certainly an occult aspect on nearly every aspect of this. People are acting like they are possessed for instance.

 

Could just be a mass hypnotic trance/ mass phychosis. Either way its black magic. 

[Shining-one]

4 minutes ago, Fluke said:

Open to 1 and 2 like you lean towards 2. 

 

There is certainly an occult aspect on nearly every aspect of this. People are acting like they are possessed for instance.

 

Could just be a mass hypnotic trance/ mass phychosis. Either way its black magic. 

I've seen people with glazed eyes. When it first set off, I recall a young guy run into the shop with a scared-rabbit in a floodlight  look. He just blurted out, "Where are the toilet rolls?". He'd seen others on the news stocking up and just assumed that was the best way to survive. It struck me as absurd. Classic social hysteria and suggestion. 

As to the other, people roll their eyes and exchange concerned glances if I mention Sumerian creation accounts. Yet, these ancients recorded humans had been created by the gods to do work. And most ancient societies believed the gods controlled from the heavens what happens on earth. 

[Mr Chinnery]

(5) The virus is a complete fabrication, bait and switch. The story will change and there will be absolute chaos as the people realise they have been had.

Edited March 3, 2021 by Mr Chinnery

[Beaujangles]

Out of the 4 options above I would lean towards 1.

I do think this so-called virus is the precursor to obtaining control of the world. However, I think they will tweak it accordingly should the masses not follow blindly.  By keeping their foot on the fear pedal they will try to bring about total submission. Somehow I think this will be like a pressure cooker and eventually the lid will blow off. 

 

There is a reason they have been trying to disarm Americans. This 'virus' may be the reason. The gun control lobby has been no more about peace than this bullshit 'virus' has been about health.

Edited March 4, 2021 by Beaujangles

[kitkat]

1 and the latter part of 3.

[Anti Facts Sir]

(1), using the flu virus as the method of deception and cover through hysteria and propaganda, playing on people's fear of contagion.

[Thehoneybadger]

(1) and (2) I lean more towards (1)

 

If you remember we had Tony Fauci and other prominent public figures telling us that this would be the new normal even before the true extent of the coronavirus could be measured in society. If you combine that with the European Commissions proposals timeline on Covid vaccinations/passports that was most recently amended in q3 of 2019     https://ec.europa.eu/health/sites/health/files/vaccination/docs/2019-2022_roadmap_en.pdf      it seems clear to me at least that the psychopaths had an agenda before the appearance of this particular coronavirus strain.

Another argument to detract from (2) is that we still do not have the suicide figures for 2020 as they are typically reported around a year later following a coroners inquest. This number was around 6.5 thousand in 2018 and I suspect this figure could be around 12-18 thousand as we were faced with unprecedented levels of suffering as you all know. In addition we heard reports of many people not seeking medical assistance that could have extended their life expectancy and instead chose to die at home through fear of seeking medical attention. The number of people who were sadly lost in this way will likely never be known. 

 

Deaths attributed to the Flu went down exponentially during 2020 and people dying of other causes went down as well as the government decided to use the over inclusive pcr test in order to include as many people as possible in the deaths attributable to covid 19. We did not lose many more people than we typically do in a bad flu year like 1999-2000.

 

The cure was far worse than the disease!!

 

 

[Mitochondrial Eve]

22 hours ago, Shining-one said:

I noticed we are all made up of a large group of people who have one major issue in common, but maybe other things not totally in common. 

We are all deeply troubled and angered by the way this virus issue has changed society for far the worse. That is agreed. However, which of these groups do you belong to?

(1) The virus is a complete fabrication, used as a pretext to sneak in social control, destroy freedoms and brainwash the masses.

(2) The virus genuinely exists but has been blown out of all proportion. Social hysteria has created a convenient opportunity for some to attack our freedoms.

(3)The virus is an occult phenomenon. There may be an unknown force controlling those in power, such as of extraterrestrial origen. 

(4) The virus is a bio-weapons attack launched by a hostile country. Or a bio-weapons project that escaped laboratory conditions and confinement. 

Just thought it might be interesting to explore this. 

 

I believe both (1) and (3) to be true and do not see them as mutually exclusive. Whereas (1) seems perfectly obvious to me on the surface level of the pandemic and where it is taking us, I think there are much darker occult forces at play bringing it into being with perhaps an even darker purpose.

 

As Grumpy Owl has pointed out on a separate thread, the Covid narrative seems to now be taking on the role of a new religion (aka control of perception) complete with its own set of rituals. There are extraordinary astrological energies at this time and my intuition feels that occult forces are being utilised to capitalise on these energies and turn them to the advantage of our hijackers, whoever (or whatever) they may be.

 

The controllers pay particular attention to timing events around the solstices and equinoxes, otherwise known as the cardinal points and which are intricately linked with precession. The Covid narrative is no different in this regard starting with the first lockdown which commenced at the spring equinox 2020 and requires 6 monthly reviews which coincide with the subsequent vernal and spring equinoxes. Restrictions were temporarily eased around the summer solstice 2020, but there was much hype over the winter solstice concerning Christmas and whether this would be cancelled. We are now being told that we will be free from restrictions on 21^st June with the 2021 summer solstice, where huge levels of disappointment could be harnessed should efforts to defeat the invisible enemy not succeed causing restrictions to remain in place.

 

The timing of the precession of the equinoxes is not precisely known - aside from it taking 2,160 years, the exactitude of when the change in signs happens remains moot. However, I think we have now finally transitioned into the Age of Aquarius, although perhaps still with some influence from the waning Piscean cusp energy. I believe this in part due to the great Saturn/Jupiter “Christmas Star” conjunction which took place at 0 degrees (a critical degree) of tropical Aquarius around the winter solstice 2020 and which I intuitively feel ushered in the new age proper.

 

 

Aquarius is the water carrier and represented by man, and is a fixed sign in astrology along with Taurus / the bull (in square), Leo / the lion (in opposition) and Scorpio / the eagle (in square). With Aquarius now being the constellation which the sun occupies at the time of the spring equinox, and the other fixed signs inhabiting the other cardinal points, I think the controllers are trying to use the prevailing fixed sign energies – perhaps whilst they are in their critical degrees - to lock us into an even greater fear-based paradigm based on the new Covid religion dubbed “Covidianity” by Thomas Sheridan. This includes obvious rituals like masks, hand washing, clapping the NHS and tik tok dancing, combined with brainwashing of epic proportions. I am in no doubt that masses of people are now hypnotised due to the powerful occult forces in play. It is the only explanation I can offer as to why even parents have apparently lost their protective instincts towards their children and submit them for testing and the wearing of masks, or why people, against all sense, would prefer to jump into oncoming traffic rather than walk past another individual on the pavement.

 

The Freemasonic royal arch also depicts the bull, lion, eagle and man and, although my understanding of Freemasonic symbolism is somewhat limited, I understand this to originate from the sun's progression in the sky / heavens, via the cardinal points, during the last fixed sign ages (Taurus and possibly Leo before). I make this point to show that the understanding of occult energies I am referring to are both ancient and fundamental to secret societies and the controlling forces within this "reality".

 

The controllers appear to fully embrace astrology and other occult forces and seek to use any prevailing energies to their advantage in order to retain control under different guises throughout known history. So I cannot see how the Covid narrative would be any different. However, I think that they could be faced with issues at this time in that Aquarian energy, ruled by Uranus, can by very unpredictable and erratic. It is a sign of humanitarianism, community, truth, freedom, rebellion, non-conformity and anti-authoritarianism and thus may be hardest to control. It is the antithesis to hierarchical top-down, power-based structures which could be why Communism is coming to the fore now as a means for the controllers to direct the energy into a hive mind, in an apparent communal based approach, in such a way that they can still retain control and power. It's also a scientific and progressive sign and it is this I think the controllers seek to particularly harness and redirect into their technocratic vision.

 

[Shining-one]

Not wanting to get myself laughed at as a fantasist but......

I do take seriously how the book of Genesis was clearly derived from the Sumerian creation accounts. Christien O Brien, in fact, made a fresh translation of Genesis. This suggests gods existed in pre Biblical times and that there was some kind of sexual relations between the angels and female homo sapiens. 

Did civilization develop after some sort of contact from a nearby planet? Can homo sapiens be controlled as if like a colony of ants? Was it just an experiment? 

I recently re-read the account of Moses and his encounter with God on Mount Sinai. It struck me how all the tribes of his people were terrified by fire and smoke on the Mount. They were asked to repeatedly wash. All their clothes at the foot of the mountain. Why? Radiation of course. Likewise, this event must have taken place at the time of Rameses The Great, of Egypt. 

Mostly what homo sapiens does by nature is to work. From cradle to grave we are urged to accept that the entire purpose of life is to work. Sumerian accounts state the gods came down from the heavens to engineer a source of manual, slave labour. Maybe the same gods are still very much involved. 

After all, modern religion was derived from accounts of fantastic encounters that, at the time, could only be narrated in supernatural terms. Mount Sinai may have been giving off thunder and smoke but not on account of God. 

[Shining-one]

"God or Gods?

In the first three verses, the English term ‘God’ is taken from the Hebrew term = elohim; while, in the fourth, this term is expanded to= ha elohim , in which ha is the Hebrew equivalent of ‘the’. The problem, here, lies in the fact that elohim is the plural form of el. And, if el originally meant ‘god’, then elohim should mean ‘gods’; and ha elohim should mean ‘the gods’.

This plurality is emphasized in our second quotation in which the English singular and plural are strangely mixed. ‘God said, “Let us make man in our image, in the likeness of ourselves . . .” 

 O Brien's translation reads:

 "In the Beginning, the gods looked (down) with pleasure upon the Highland pastures and the Lowlands."

[Shining-one]

 

[Shining-one]

Fascinating video above.

Not that I claim the current virus hysteria is being engineered by ancient astronauts. More a case of that anything is possible. I choose this as my most far-fetched possibility. Besides, even the very advanced ancient Athenians believed in gods who controlled events in the world.

[Mikheil]

Definitely #1. I don't believe that influenza is a virus. Its a cyclic event to relieve the frail, sick and elderly from their suffering so that the next generation can flourish.

 

Other 'virii' are a result of disobeying Nature's law "Survival of the fittest". They are Natures way of culling the weak in the herd, but in the fight against Nature (vaccines), we've given the pharma companies the green light to inject us with filth that will keep us on medication until we die. We must suffer all the side effects (asthma, diabetes, allergies, cancers, autism and a host of other chronic illnesses.

 

Not satisfied with this EVERYTHING is is now in plastics, full of phthalates which cause huge drops in testosterone, erectile dysfunction and the sperm count in men is now the lowest it has ever been and within the next few decades, male sperm will be so degraded that no-one will be able to have children. Eben the lining of tins have phthalates. We have been trying to kill ourselves by "obeying" failing to use our brains and allowing companies and Governments to do exactly as they like.

 

Quite honestly, I think it's too late to turn this around. We are suicidal, just like bloody lemmings, rushing to destroy ourselves

[Shining-one]

3 hours ago, Mikheil said:

Definitely #1. I don't believe that influenza is a virus. Its a cyclic event to relieve the frail, sick and elderly from their suffering so that the next generation can flourish.

 

Other 'virii' are a result of disobeying Nature's law "Survival of the fittest". They are Natures way of culling the weak in the herd, but in the fight against Nature (vaccines), we've given the pharma companies the green light to inject us with filth that will keep us on medication until we die. We must suffer all the side effects (asthma, diabetes, allergies, cancers, autism and a host of other chronic illnesses.

 

Not satisfied with this EVERYTHING is is now in plastics, full of phthalates which cause huge drops in testosterone, erectile dysfunction and the sperm count in men is now the lowest it has ever been and within the next few decades, male sperm will be so degraded that no-one will be able to have children. Eben the lining of tins have phthalates. We have been trying to kill ourselves by "obeying" failing to use our brains and allowing companies and Governments to do exactly as they like.

 

Quite honestly, I think it's too late to turn this around. We are suicidal, just like bloody lemmings, rushing to destroy ourselves

I guess many of us here aren't dead set against vaccines or antibiotics. I just think they were over-used. Antibiotics given out like candy. And now, what I see is mass delusional thinking and collective loss of reality. This being one symptom of Schizophrenia called "ambivalence". Desire and longing for safety and security inspires massive, gargantuan efforts to combat a perceived threat. Logic and rational thought is abandoned. Ritual and dogma substitute reason.

Affected people fear the world and choose to hide away. The mechanism is, of course, the internet. Conceived by Bill Gates but already turning into a threat to  a healthy, free society. We are urged not to engage with the world or with each other, to meet in clubs, dance, have sex, date or even protest. The fact the internet can substitute real life leads others to seek isolation from reality. Very unhealthy. A risk to survival of the species because evolution and natural selection demands mental and physical endurance. H.G. Wells was right I think. Survival came about at the cost of millions of deaths through bacteria. 

 

 

"Strength is the outcome of need; security sets a premium on feebleness. The work of ameliorating the conditions of life—the true civilizing process that makes life more and more secure—had gone steadily on to a climax. One triumph of a united humanity over Nature had followed another. Things that are now mere dreams had become projects deliberately put in hand and carried forward. And the harvest was what I saw!" H. G. Wells

[SuperstarNeilC]

[Macnamara]

I think that the regular flu vaccine has been causing health problems through molecular mimicry and that wherever there has been a big roll out of the flu vaccine for example among the elderly in the UK and Italy there have then been health problems. Those health problems could conceivably then be labelled 'covid' symptoms

 

I also think that as 5G is rolled out the microwaves from that will negatively impact peoples health and that the problems caused by it could then be called 'covid' symptoms

 

The lockdowns themselves will cause health problems from stress and lack of exercise and lack of vitamin D and from lack of human contact and the impact on the immune system these will cause not to mention all the undiagnosed health problems because people are not going into hospitals anymore. The resultant problems could then be labelled 'covid'

 

I also think that anyone dying of or with the flu or pneumonia are all also being labelled as 'covid' deaths which is why there are no more recorded flu deaths

 

We now have a further problem which is that i believe the covid jabs will also kill and harm people and those people will then also be labelled as 'covid' victims

 

If you removed all of these things I don't believe there would be a 'pandemic'

[Shining-one]

I have an old dvd documentary where electromagnetic radiation was studied. However, I think the real harm of the internet is that many people use it as a substitute for their own intellect. It led to apathy and indolence. It reminds me of an old episode of Lost In Space called "Wish Upon A Star". The Robinson family acquire a thought machine that can materialise any wish they make. It leads to friction, apathy and loss of ambition. I always say we all need "quiet time" to think deep and hard. We need to use our own brains and not just use Google (which censors information). Definitely the internet resonates with the collective brain and draws energy, the way an opened door lets cold air flow into a warm room. OK if it's used as a tool but not a substitute for real life, risk and adventure.

[Mikhail Liebestein]

2)

But as an excuse to provide a banking bailout

 

Edited March 5, 2021 by Mikhail Liebestein

[Shining-one]

I have a little known medical document in which a Russian doctor casually lists vaccines as a cause for autism. It's listed along with other causes such as infection, fever and birth complications. I don't know if the doctor was just supposing vaccine was a cause or whether he knew this to be fact.
My mother stopped me having one vaccine so I did get measles and chicken pox. I actually recall the spots all over my body and I felt really off. Of course, I recovered. As you do. I have had serious issues since childhood and suspect my mother had suspected vaccine as a factor. Hence her unwillingness to agree to more vaccines. Who can say? What I can say is if I were to get this much feared Covid I would shake it off as I successfully did with measles. I will use medication only when essential. Antibiotics are great but only in case of need. Not as a crutch.

[Shining-one]

I see people are gradually picking up momentum as in the case of Vietnam. More people protesting in greater numbers and causing a stir. Reminds me of that scene where Forest Gump was invited to address the crowd by the man wearing the big flag who kept using the F word. Will Gump (Tom Hanks) get to address a huge crowd of anti vaxers?
Watch the numbers swell! Now that we know passports will depend upon untested vaccines, people are flocking to join other protesters. This will get huge soon. It may well change the political landscape. For now, the golden rule is if you don't want a vaccine, say no. If friends and family do, we should respect their decision. It's just an issue of choice. I never opposed any vaccine. I only oppose forced vaccines. Especially on children who aren't at risk in most cases.

[TFH]

I stared at 2 but lately I've shifted to position 1. 

 

I'm more and more convinced this is a genuine hoax that's been implemented by the elites as part of the global agenda.

 

I strongly suspect Covid19 is simply another flu (which are coronavirus). 

 

I do not for one second believe that 23m people have taken a jab. I'm convinced that's utter bollocks, just like the inflated death figures.