Mountain Rescuer disabled saving covid flouter

[Net Curtains]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Obviously the ''hidden ones'' are determined to divide us and then brainwash the ''sheep'' so further down the line they ''the sheep'' look upon ''US'' like the disgusting diseased cattle we are......................the difference being................if we are the 20% of us that cant be hypnotized, and/or anti-establishment, anti-authority.......alot of this 20% being the people you want at the side of you when ''shits going down''.

 

Yesterday on the radio in the middle of all the celebrity bollocks news,just a quick small line.......''UK scientific advisers think social distancing should stay with us to protect against future diseases''....without taking a breath......straight into the next story.

 

 

JUST SAYING............

 

 

 

AND TO CHRIS THE MOUNTAIN  RESCUER...........really sorry to hear you are disabled or worse.............and you may end up being bitter when those around you poison your mind or just the Daily Telegraph....your a volunteer mountain rescuer.............rescuing a free human being, who chose freedom over terror, propaganda, fear. i stand with the ''covid flouter'' for staying free but i stand with you for not just saying ''we are ment to be in lockdown, let them die''.......human for human.          OOOOOOOOO RAAAAAAA

[Anti Facts Sir]

It's very sad, but the reason for his injuries was an accident in the line of his work, not because of lockdown being breached. If there were no lockdowns, people would still be getting stranded and into trouble on the mountains all the time, and an accident like this could result. Getting seriously injured, or worse, even dying, is an occupational hazard of rescue work. I cannot imagine being selfless enough to volunteer for that. But the agenda/subtext here is quite obvious.

 

Evil non-COVID believers caused this man to end up in a wheelchair. What about the stories every year, in extreme weather, where rescue teams get killed or drown in the process of trying to help idiots who go out to the seafront during storms, or insist on rock climbing in treacherous conditions. Where is the condemnation from the media then?

[bamboozooka]

always dodgy when it includes a "go fund me" bollox

[Macnamara]

It's a risky business, but the risk and the costs are outweighed by the benefit of freedom

 

The problem now is the over reliance of people on technology and their sense of entitlement. This runs contrary to the tradition of self-reliance in the mountains

 

Did the people really need rescuing or could they have got themselves off the mountain if it wasn't so easy to call for help?

Edited February 17, 2021 by Macnamara

[Grumpy Owl]

37 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

It's a risky business, but the risk and the costs are outweighed by the benefit of freedom

 

The problem now is the over reliance of people on technology and their sense of entitlement. This runs contrary to the tradition of self-reliance in the mountains

 

Did the people really need rescuing or could they have got themselves off the mountain if it wasn't so easy to call for help?

 

I agree with you. But that's not the point of this news article, it is simply more propaganda to forment the idea that people who "don't follow the rules" are "BAD!"

 

The intended 'reaction' to this is the 'call' from the public for people like this, those who needed to be rescued, to be jailed.

[Net Curtains]

6 minutes ago, Grumpy Owl said:

 

I agree with you. But that's not the point of this news article, it is simply more propaganda to forment the idea that people who "don't follow the rules" are "BAD!"

 

The intended 'reaction' to this is the 'call' from the public for people like this, those who needed to be rescued, to be jailed.

EXACTLY!

[Net Curtains]

I added this for 1 reason..... 

       

      we are now not fit to be fucking saved.......

 

   these 2 people on a mountain were in a ''bubble''. Lets change the headline

 

MOUNTAIN RESCUER WHO FELL 500FT TRYING TO SAVE STRANDED MAN WHO WAS SO SCARED DUE TO GOVERNMENT PROPAGANDA HE CLIMBED TO THE TOP OF A MOUNTAIN FACES LIFE IN A WHEEL CHAIR

[Macnamara]

24 minutes ago, Grumpy Owl said:

I agree with you. But that's not the point of this news article, it is simply more propaganda to forment the idea that people who "don't follow the rules" are "BAD!"

 

The intended 'reaction' to this is the 'call' from the public for people like this, those who needed to be rescued, to be jailed.

 

Yes i agree with you that they want to spin it that if you don't remain locked down like a good slave then you are going to kill people. They are trying to guilt people into compliance. Don't enjoy human contact or you'll 'kill granny!'

 

However when a baby is born it NEEDS human contact or it dies and the same is likely true for humans of all ages that they need the warmth of human company or they will wilt (of course not everyone is the same but humans are social animals and need society, as a general rule)

 

I want to point out though that this attack on freedom pre-dates the whole covid-hysteria in the sense that whenever someone is rescued or dies in the mountains there is always accusations that they are 'selfish' but things are a little more complicated than that. When a helicopter is required from the coastguard or military this costs the taxpayer and some people then complain about that.

 

However one way around this would be to factor in rescue hours and offset that as part of a teams annual training schedule. Not an exact science though. What we don't want is a situation like in france where you have to get insurance to go into the mountains because that would price people out of going into the hills and removes much of the spontaneity out of life.

 

What's ruining it for everyone is those people who are going into the hills unprepared and then calling for help because they are lost or a little cold or tired  or sore or they have sprained their ankle or something all of which could be overcome with preparedness

 

People rely on GPS now and if the batteries go flat in the cold and the person can't fall back on map and compass skills then they are left high and dry. Everyone has phones now and there is good coverage everywhere and a growing sense of entitlement leads to people then calling for help when it might not be needed

 

On grough it says that there were two campers and one of them had a sore chest so they called for help. Well, if you are unfit and you climb a hill in winter, breathing in cold air then guess what you may experience pain somewhere in your body! After the rescue (which tragically became a double rescue) the guy with the sore chest was checked out in a hospital and then released. So could it be the case, in this case, that these two guys could have taken a moment to rest out of the wind, eat some scran, have a glug of hot tea from their flask, adjust their clothing accordingly and then start to calmly make their way back down off the hill and then once down could they not have driven to a hospital to get checked out if it was still necessary? Did they really need a call out?

 

https://www.grough.co.uk/magazine/2021/02/07/rescuer-suffers-life-changing-injuries-in-500ft-fall-during-lakeland-callout

 

So this whole attack on peoples freedom to roam and the question over personal responsibility and self-reliance v's irresponsiblity has been a big issue way before the whole rona-hysteria. There are more than one source of hysteria out there but likely as not it will be the same old people behind all of the shrill cries that inevitably call for curtailments of individual freedom

Edited February 17, 2021 by Macnamara

[rideforever]

Nurses or Mountain Rescuers need to decide if the risk are worth it.  If not go work in a pub.  Sad to see so much moaning in this country, but then again there is no culture of spirituality, people only care about "science" (i.e. watching the BBC) and their conservatories ... of and "charity".  Dumb country.

 

Chris Lewis ex-AstraZeneca

https://warwick.ac.uk/fac/sci/wmg/education-copy/postgraduate/experience/cl

 

 

[Macnamara]

1 minute ago, rideforever said:

there is no culture of spirituality, people only care about "science" (i.e. watching the BBC)

 

do people only care about 'science' or is it really scientism that they are enthrall to?

[Macnamara]

19 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

What we don't want is a situation like in france where you have to get insurance to go into the mountains because that would price people out of going into the hills and removes much of the spontaneity out of life.

What's ruining it for everyone is those people who are going into the hills unprepared and then calling for help because they are lost or a little cold or tired  or sore or they have sprained their ankle or something all of which could be overcome with preparedness

 

When you read about the climbers of the 1950's like robin smith, dougal haston, don whillans, Joe brown and the likes and someone gets injured there are no organised rescue teams. People would go down to the nearest bothy or pub where there would be some climbers and they'd ask people to give assistance which they inevitably would

 

This meant that you either got yourself off the hill or people as dedicated as you got you off the hill or you died and to be brutally honest i would rather see a return to that then see a situation develop where the hills had a turnstile on them where you had to buy a ticket, carry a lanyard with a locator beacon and a radio and a gps which then told you the one designated route that you were allowed up the hill by on a pristine path built out of stone with waymarked signs

 

all of that is about bringing nature down to your level instead of raising yourself up to meet the challenge of nature

[rideforever]

4 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

do people only care about 'science' or is it really scientism that they are enthrall to?

 

Yes .. to disguise that they are fat lazy idiots who sit in their knickers watching the BBC because they have no life ... they conceal their sorry non-lives by talking about "science" i.e. whatever shit was on TV ... very loudly in the pub / cafe / park ... as if they personally have some likeness to Albert Einstein.

Most human beings are quite happy to live and die like this.  Or perhaps that should be they are happy to die and then die again.

 

[Macnamara]

2 minutes ago, rideforever said:

Yes .. to disguise that they are fat lazy idiots who sit in their knickers watching the BBC because they have no life

 

That's why britain creates eccentrics because they are people compelled to transcend the conformity of a stifling and monocrome life and you can bet that the eccentrics and their various ways of life will all be in the cross hairs of the sabbatean-cabal because their vision for a centralised TECHNOCRACY requires STANDARDISATION ad nauseum

[rideforever]

13 hours ago, Macnamara said:

sabbatean

 

Britain's abilities did not come from eccentrics, maybe inspired by them, but it was from the industry and goodnaturedness of the general population .... which seems to be in grave decline, and so is the country.   The country is not rising or falling due to particular individuals but by the overall state of people which is perishing due to the destruction of Christianity, culture and higher goals.

But then again if you are personally born into such a shithole as this planet then it is a warning, a personal warning.

You deserve to be here, and so your primary or only goal is to deserve to be elsewhere.

And this message of what you personally deserve by your own efforts ... was the main teaching of Christianity rammed into people's heads.

No longer.

Edited February 18, 2021 by rideforever

[Grumpy Owl]

23 hours ago, Macnamara said:

I want to point out though that this attack on freedom pre-dates the whole covid-hysteria in the sense that whenever someone is rescued or dies in the mountains there is always accusations that they are 'selfish' but things are a little more complicated than that. When a helicopter is required from the coastguard or military this costs the taxpayer and some people then complain about that.

 

However one way around this would be to factor in rescue hours and offset that as part of a teams annual training schedule. Not an exact science though. What we don't want is a situation like in france where you have to get insurance to go into the mountains because that would price people out of going into the hills and removes much of the spontaneity out of life.

 

What's ruining it for everyone is those people who are going into the hills unprepared and then calling for help because they are lost or a little cold or tired  or sore or they have sprained their ankle or something all of which could be overcome with preparedness

 

I also agree with this, I was going to add to my initial comment that it is not a new phenomenon for unprepared people to go off walking and hiking in places and then getting caught out by severe changes in weather.

 

I've read numerous stories about this before, and I just shake my head at times. But then again when I was younger I was in a local Scouts troop, so I know all about 'being prepared'.

 

 

[Mr Chinnery]

500 / 60 is 8.33

 

100,000 / 60 is 1666.666 (not rounded)

 

 

[Macnamara]

5 hours ago, Grumpy Owl said:

I also agree with this, I was going to add to my initial comment that it is not a new phenomenon for unprepared people to go off walking and hiking in places and then getting caught out by severe changes in weather.

 

I've read numerous stories about this before, and I just shake my head at times. But then again when I was younger I was in a local Scouts troop, so I know all about 'being prepared'.

 

I don't want to be harsh....mistakes happen and everyone has to start somewhere

 

I was just trying to put this story into the wider context of LAND ACCESS

 

My whole schtick is that i want to see people back on the land but in a self-sufficient way that works with nature. So I am wary of any move that looks like it might be manouvering towards the pushing of people off the land. We have been pushed off the land to such an extent that a small handful of people now own most of the land in britain and we need to defend our access to the hills and the wild spaces and ideally work for even further land reform that enables the kind of small scale self-sufficient farming i'm talking about because if we want an alternative system to the current corporate one then we have to think about how we provide the essentials of life:

-food

-water

-shelter

-fuel

-culture and community

 

For those we need the land. People going out and trashing wild spaces with rubbish then sees the authorities coming in and placing new restrictions. The creation of a national park around loch lomond for example has lead to camping restrictions and this is justified as a step towards managing the rubbish left by campers. The truth is that rubbish IS left by people sometimes and it is that kind of irresponsibility that i'm lamenting because it plays into the hands of the people who want to impose further constrictions on access.

 

Its the same with people calling out rescue parties for minor issues because ultimately if it continues then people will demand changes and new regulations and restrictions. With freedom must come responsibility but the corporate system breeds responsibility and self-reliance out of people

Edited February 19, 2021 by Macnamara

[Macnamara]

14 hours ago, rideforever said:

Britain's abilities did not come from eccentrics, maybe inspired by them, but it was from the industry and goodnaturedness of the general population

 

nah it came from both

 

Britain has created innovators and reformers that have improved things for the general population but those people had to think outside the box

[rooey]

could easily just be another morality play staged story to manipulate the masses 

Edited February 19, 2021 by rooey

[Macnamara]

17 hours ago, rooey said:

could easily just be another morality play staged story to manipulate the masses 

 

i'd say that is very difficult to do in the outdoor industry because it's a small world and people know what is going on in their neck of the wood and if something didn't add up with the story then people would be flagging it up somewhere like ukclimbing or grough or BMI message boards or something

 

Not impossible but difficult for example there are dozens of people involved in that rescue service so to create a non existent person who is then claimed to have had an accident that didn't happen would be very difficult to do

 

So i doubt it was 'staged' but it might be FRAMED in a certain way by the media to make politico-social capital

Edited February 19, 2021 by Macnamara

[Mr Chinnery]

19 hours ago, rooey said:

could easily just be another morality play staged story to manipulate the masses 

 

 

I caught it on BBC North West tonight - the local fake news spreader.

 

They interviewed someone from the mountaineering community (Bonnington?). The message was stay at home and out of the countryside - and those who are not are covididiots.

[Anti Facts Sir]

What puzzles me is this accident occurred where, 12 months earlier, the Rescue Team deemed it too far outside their area when someone was in difficulty there. They passed it over to a different MRT. So, what changed?