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16 hours ago, pi3141 said:

Archaeology has re-dated old monuments to beyond 6000 years and therefore proves the creation myth to be wrong.

Nowhere in the Bible does it say the earth is 6000 yrs. old. 
 

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On 4/16/2021 at 7:03 PM, Macnamara said:

I'm just trying to understand the process that has torn those people away from a search for the ineffable into a phoney Tv land that won't serve the same purpose

 

America is just as bad or worse.  

 

You may not believe in Satan, but you for sure know his followers exist.
Call it the ‘satanic strategy’ or call it a byproduct of progress and innovation.  
 

Either way the name of the game is distraction.  They tried killing Christians off for centuries but they only ended up creating martyrs and strengthening people’s conviction.  It’s amazing how people gain resolve under persecution.

 

However with endless distraction:  rat race, things, overeating, entertainment, keeping up with the Joneses, not only are 1st world people sheltered from real suffering in the world, they are oblivious to the state of their own souls.   They don’t know their souls are in peril.  
 

It’s like winning a war without firing a shot. 

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6 hours ago, Michi713 said:

Nowhere in the Bible does it say the earth is 6000 yrs. old. 

 

Agreed but some Christians calculated the beginning by counting back the family lines in the Bible to tell us the Earth is only 6000 years old.

 

They were fundamentalists, you must know this.

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4 hours ago, pi3141 said:

Agreed but some Christians calculated the beginning by counting back the family lines in the Bible to tell us the Earth is only 6000 years old.

 

They were fundamentalists, you must know this.

There are also backwoods in Murica where they take up snakes and speak tongues like buleedubuh doopoo.   That’s low hanging fruit found in every back woods in every religion on earth, representative of a small minority. 
 

Some Native Americans believe the first man was made of snot blown out of the goddess’ nose, so we may be snot creatures instead of dust.

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53 minutes ago, Michi713 said:

There are also backwoods in Murica where they take up snakes and speak tongues like buleedubuh doopoo.   That’s low hanging fruit found in every back woods in every religion on earth, representative of a small minority. 
 

Some Native Americans believe the first man was made of snot blown out of the goddess’ nose, so we may be snot creatures instead of dust.

 

Lol. I know what you mean but the question still needs to be asked, who's truth should I believe? Your version of Christianity or the fundamentalists or the Mormons or the Jehova witnesses or the Catholics?

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12 hours ago, Michi713 said:

America is just as bad or worse.  

 

I know america is in some ways the belly of the corporate beast but you still have a lot of butts in seats in churches and you have a written constitution that protects your individual rights against government and you still (for now) have the right to bare arms with which you can defend your rights

 

You still have the tools to defend your individual liberty. We haven't got jack-shit in the UK. We've largely turned our back on the church, we've been disarmed and our constitution is spread out over centuries of archaic records that you need a pretty determined mindset to galvanise into a coherent internal directive

 

The guys at UK column are doing a great job of exploring the british constitution in their series 'the dissidents guide to the constitution' but its not easy material to grapple with and most people won't at this time grasp the importance of understanding these areas of knowledge

 

12 hours ago, Michi713 said:

You may not believe in Satan, but you for sure know his followers exist.

 

Oh i believe in the existence of an evil spiritual force. I also think that religious people have an advantage over modern secular brits who lack the language with which to get to grips with these concepts. A christian understands evil because they have the language with which to speak about it and conceptualise it in their mind

 

12 hours ago, Michi713 said:

Call it the ‘satanic strategy’ or call it a byproduct of progress and innovation.  

 

so in the occult there is the concept of 'egregores' which are though forms that people can feed into. Some people will argue that these thoughtforms exist only as a symbol in the minds of adherents whilst others will argue that they manifest a lifeforce of their own

 

Either way you cut it people can create a egregore of 'satan' and then construct their moral life around that

 

12 hours ago, Michi713 said:

Either way the name of the game is distraction.  They tried killing Christians off for centuries but they only ended up creating martyrs and strengthening people’s conviction.  It’s amazing how people gain resolve under persecution.

 

The satanists want to destroy the dignity of the human spirit

 

12 hours ago, Michi713 said:

However with endless distraction:  rat race, things, overeating, entertainment, keeping up with the Joneses, not only are 1st world people sheltered from real suffering in the world, they are oblivious to the state of their own souls.   They don’t know their souls are in peril.

It’s like winning a war without firing a shot. 

 

yes but that process of disconnecting people from a spiritual life IS the war that the satanists are waging and they control the mega-corporations so they are the engineers of perception

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1 hour ago, pi3141 said:

Lol. I know what you mean but the question still needs to be asked, who's truth should I believe? Your version of Christianity or the fundamentalists or the Mormons or the Jehova witnesses or the Catholics?

 

how do you think a benevolent deity who loves their creation would want you to behave towards it?

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1 hour ago, Macnamara said:

 

how do you think a benevolent deity who loves their creation would want you to behave towards it?

 

Simply with respect for all its other creations and with gratitude and enjoyment for the experience its given us.

 

Life is for living.

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Right on pi! 

It would be presumptuous to think that God would deny anyone who is earnestly seeking Him.  

 

Catholic, Buddhist, Muslim, we are all on our own paths.  Macnamara shared how he started and where he is now.  I’ve shared and so did you.  

 

If one is calling out for God, He will not deny that person, no matter who he is, what religion, or what he has done in the past. 

 

If one is not seeking God, not open to the concept, or on a mission to prove God does not exist, those things will be so for that person’s mind and heart.  

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On 4/18/2021 at 10:36 AM, pi3141 said:

 

Agreed but some Christians calculated the beginning by counting back the family lines in the Bible to tell us the Earth is only 6000 years old.

 

They were fundamentalists, you must know this.

It isn't just a fundamentalist belief, I think it's actually a common belief, especially among evangelicals; it isn't such a far fetched concept either, if you read Genesis 5, you'll come to the conclusion that the days of man from Adam to the death of Eber was 2187 years, so continuing the calculation from there will put our civilization at under 6000 years old; I don't think the Earth itself is that young; bearing in mind that one day to God is as a thousand years to man, so it could then be that the earth took 7000 years to create, just a thought. However, the dates in Genesis chapter 5 clearly indicate that our civilization is less than 6000 years old.

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“Look into my soul, I know - everything you need is in there. It has to be. Because I've never sold my soul to anyone! It's mine, it's human! Figure out yourself what I want - because I know it can't be bad! The hell with it all, I just can't think of a thing other than those words of his - HAPPINESS, FREE, FOR EVERYONE, AND LET NO ONE BE FORGOTTEN!”
Arkady Strugatsky, Roadside Picnic

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On 4/17/2021 at 7:36 AM, Macnamara said:

 

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Nothing personal, just have to debunk this picture because it bothered me.  It’s a lie based on nothing but goo, but is taken to be truth because internet culture breeds intellectual laziness.  Any flimsy half-baked takedown of Jesus will do to confirm biases.

 

Matthew 2:1

 

“Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,”

 

First and foremost there is no indication of how many wise men there were.  There could be 3, 10, 24.  We don’t know, so there’s no basis for assigning them to Orion’s Belt.

 

There were three gifts, so again it was assumed there were three wise men.  The gifts themselves were symbolic.

 

Continuing on...


Matthew 2:2

 

“Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.”

 

They are from the East.  That’s where they were when they saw the ‘star.’  If the ‘star’ was in the East they would have travelled east but they were in the east and went west.  To the Middle East.  

 

So this whole picture of the star as Sirius and the sun rising in the East is made by some lazy pothead who can’t decipher east from west. 

 

Matthew 2:9

 

“When they had heard the king, they departed; and, lo, the star, which they saw in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was.”

 

Literal stars do not move that way; comets do. 

 

Who were the wise men?  They were wise because they were watching the heavens for the sign of the Messiah of the Jews, saw it, and followed it.

 

 

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On 2/16/2021 at 1:31 AM, Michi713 said:

Well satan is hidden in plain sight.  Based on the motives and actions of humanity, we are more beholden to him.  

 

Why should God reveal Himself to those who don’t even acknowledge Him as their own? 

 

You can just as soon ask, “Where is Science?  Where is Reason?  Logic?”  For a great many humans have put their faith in those not in God.  

I can give you a stack of books that prove humans are not rational creatures, and in many cases, lack basic common sense.  

 

If people didn’t operate on manufactured, popular consensus and prejudice they would read, abide by, and hold themselves accountable to God’s laws.  They provide the most rational, sane way for us to exist on this cursed planet.  

 

Because repentance offends the proud, discontent outweighs gratitude, and subordination to anything but ones own desires repulses those who want to “do what thou wilt,” here you have the world we live in. 

 

Because humanity has rejected God, His laws, and His Son, He is not here.  He gave us (humanity) a choice, a chance.  And we squandered it. 

 

The real inconvenient truth is “the wages of sin is death” Romans 6:23.

We have been given a path to overcome the world and way out of the trap of death, despite our sins, by Jesus’ example and sacrifice, but we don’t want it!  

 

There’s too much good shit on TV.  The candy bar tastes really chocolaty, and why read any book when it’s easier to just google it. 

 

If one is honest in his desire to find God, seek Him out through studying His word and appealing to Him in prayer. 

 

Cool .... some of my thoughts ....

 

So 369 and the bible.

Tesla said understand 369 and understand the universe, or words to that effect!

 

I present this 'thought' that energy, vibration and frequency were there within nothing before any material form or any god.

 

I do not care if you have a faith in the written words of a book (or any book, personally I quite like Terry Pratchett) or not, I only wish to learn....and by research further understanding.

For the record....I do NOT believe in ANY religion 'pushed' by man.

I feel that creation, defined by the sum total of awareness is in an action within and without of this limited physicality that we render, singularly as a drama construction, for our unique interaction, which then in no time will be an asset to the whole being of no thing that we truly are.

Using 3 different versions of the bible ( 1611 king James, 1599 Geneva and Wycliffe 1382 ) in the opening of Genesis I

(Not trying to discredit anything but looking for hidden meanings.)

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. - 1611
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. - 1599
In the beginning God made of nought heaven and earth. - 1382


This is a statement, an opening not meant as a description, as the description is then given.

And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. - 1611
And the earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the deep, and the Spirit of God moved upon the waters. - 1599
Forsooth the earth was idle and void, and darknesses were on the face of (the) depth; and the Spirit of the Lord was borne on the waters. - 1382


So from this we can find that the earth was not yet created. That darkness, depth and water already existed, so are not a creation of God. Then the spirit of God was moved or borne on the water.


Interesting....God was a spirit borne on the water!!!!
Water in old Latin is unda which means wave.
Darkness can mean deep and rich, with a melancholy sound.
Depth is defined as the distance from top down or front to back, or the intensity of color or sound.

Thus we could state that before God (was borne?) there was: No Earth, but there was a wave (sound) of a rich intensity.

This is backed up by looking at John 1
(read word as wave (sound))
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. - 1611
In the beginning was that Word, and that Word was with God, and that]Word was God. - 1599
In the beginning was the word, and the word was at God, and God was the word. - 1382


So the word was first. Then the word was with God. Then the two interacted.


God did not create the word, it existed before God.
Word is sound, a wave form, creation from a vibration.

Then of course it goes on that God created man and man is a creation of light and that the darkness had to separate from the light as it did not understand man!
But remember that the light (man, not the light we think of as stars as these had yet to be made) was created by the 'water' through the now created 'god'

In John1 (1599):

All things were made by it, and without it was made nothing that was made.
In it was life, and that life was the light of men.
And that light shineth in the wilderness, and the darkness comprehendeth it not.


So....ALL is made from IT.......not him or god but IT
Life (creation, God) came from IT

the wave, sound.


Also:
And the evening and the morning were the first day. - 1611
So the evening and the morning were the first day. - 1599
And the eventide and the morrowtide was made, one day. - 1382


Evening and then morning is not a day.
But in a day are 2 tides, evening and morning tides.
Within a wave form such as sound you have a depth....within tides you have a depth.
How deep is time?

So this wave is higher than god?


Theres been studies of the background radiation that exists throughout the Universe, but it cannot be radiation as light had not yet been created? So it must be a wave of sound?
 

Right we have only discussed two lines of Genesis an a few from John 1 and I can only state that God was created by ….?

Lets look at the next lines. In fact a few lines later, line 6, yes the sixth line in the bible!

And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. 1611
Again God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters. 1599
And God said, The firmament be made in the midst of (the) waters, and part (the) waters from (the) waters. 1388


By the way....firmament means heaven (or also means a vault, something to stop another from gaining or to stop that which is in the 'safe' from leaving).....so heaven did not exist before this?

 

God had no home on line five of the bible???

So if we consider the 'waters' to be the 'wave form' which existed before God and was the creator of God then we can see that God now is creating a 'heaven' between the wave!

We already know that the 'waters' were not created by God, in fact according to the bible the 'waters' created God.

Sorry I am presuming that you do really wish to wake up?

Two things....know thy self....know where you are?

If not please consume my words here no more!

I am not being rude nor confrontational....its just if you have not an open mind ( or conception of a personal mind) then the next line may offend you.

Consider the concept as we have been told of a fallen Angel who wished to be as God....then consider this thread in a new light....or should I say sound?

 

It would seem which ever way I attempt to describe that which I am seeing....it can and will be taken in the wrong manner!
Post with regard to the bible or god, on any forum and all one gets is either god nuts saying its all the truth or god haters saying its all crap.
This book is the backbone of the largest corporation on this earth, the basis of all the laws on earth and the greatest form of intimidation and death on this earth.
All I want is a discussion with regard to the meaning of the words?
In the above it would seem to state that god was not the first thing, in fact god seems to be the opposite of what we are told and that fits as in this world all is backwards.

Remember firmament also means vault. A place to lock some thing away in.
The light of man could also be read as the limited aspect of the light spectrum which a man can see.

The devil is in the details
 

So we have energy / darkness (9)....vibration / wave (6)....frequency / depth (3)

 

NOT MY WORDS BELOW ....

 

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There is a much larger Universe that doesn't exist,, than DOES!!! If you catch my drift.

I believe the 'waters' (consciousness) and the currents that separate consciousness gave birth to the "Spirit-of-god" (a condition of consciousness)

And to more accurately state it would be to say that, When a separation (internal conflict) Occurs within the waters, (consciousness) a condition is created (spirit of God) that gives rise to a reality that reflects the internal conflict within consciousness itself...

And thus the 'beings using other beings' and the 'circle of life' trap!!! And the cycle of past lives and Karma,,, the never ending wheel of conflict within beings,,, that comes from an overall 'stirring' within the waters of consciousness... As above, so below...

There is a place in the corner of my mind,, that i avoid. There is truth there, but it 'hurts'. It makes me physically ill to think about it... It goes to the very heart of existence. Somewhere out there,, NOTHING exists.. So how can NOTHING exist in just some other place,,, nothing would be EVERYWHERE??? In fact how can there be a point of observation at all?? SOMETHING comes from NOTHING,,, not the other way around!! In fact,,, how can there be NOTHING,, from which SOMETHING can exist.?? In fact,,,, either way that you look at it,,, HOW CAN WE EXIST AT ALL!!!!???????!!!!!!?????? How can i wrap my brain around NOTHING,, when i know that if there truly was NOTHING,, then who is asking the questions?????? This is the thing,,, to BE or NOT to be... It is not a statement (a direct creation from a God) but it is a QUESTION,,, (an ongoing struggle for existence) I know that consciousness has no idea what is going to happen because i see it in the eyes of everyone that is look at,,, there is consciousness staring back at me!!! And somewhere behind my eyes is a point of observation,,, when i trace it all the way back,, it shows a different picture... Existence is NOT futile,,, It is a choice... plain and simple... imho

I like your thinking... Are you going to start a thread,,, or did you already??

 

 

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On 5/30/2021 at 3:00 AM, Michi713 said:

So this whole picture of the star as Sirius and the sun rising in the East is made by some lazy pothead who can’t decipher east from west.

 

hey less of the 'lazy' ok! lol

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Just now, Michi713 said:

Oh shoot.  Did you make that picture?  If you did I’m sorry to have offended you. 

 

no i didn't make it and i wasn't offended

 

i was just making a joke where i was pretending to only be offended at the 'lazy' part and not the 'pothead' part of the insult

 

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Just now, Macnamara said:

 

no i didn't make it and i wasn't offended

 

i was just making a joke where i was pretending to only be offended at the 'lazy' part and not the 'pothead' part of the insult

 

:)

Ok good I don’t want to piss off one of my favorites on here

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I think its time for people to put their own religion to one side for a while and instead of trying to convince people which god is better or which brand of religion is better than another  concentrate on doing more than praying to stop what is occurring right now,you cannot sit there hoping to be saved by proxy you actually have to get out there to fight the good fight and right now that good fight will not be stopped by prayer

 

In no way am i suggesting anyone abandon their religion,what i am suggesting is you perhaps need to priorotise on what needs to be done and how you are going to achieve it

 

Lengthy theological discussion will solve nothing and i will stand alongside anyone who has the main goal of stopping the genocide happening now,the minute you start mentioning your god of choice and how my belief being changed will stop this happening you are on your own and my support for you ceases

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On 2/24/2021 at 7:02 AM, Maedros said:

As I said, "incomprehensible to unbelievers (in Chist). The questions would be, which times are you referring to, are you referring to the biblical prophecies concerning the last days, or the Abomination of Desolation, spoken of by Daniel the Prophet? Also, which spirit do you have, the Holy Spirit which testifies of the Father and Son or some other spirit perhaps? As an unbeliever, at least you don't have to be held to higher standard, not needing repentance or having to work out your salvation in fear and trembling of God. 

Do you mean that only christians are held to account?

 

Thats not true really. Many religions have some form of judgement and punishment system. Many of the rules of the bible came from ancient Egyptian religion. The bible is basically a patchwork of ancient ideas grafted together to give the early Israelites some for of group identity.

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On 4/26/2021 at 12:52 PM, Maedros said:

It isn't just a fundamentalist belief, I think it's actually a common belief, especially among evangelicals; it isn't such a far fetched concept either, if you read Genesis 5, you'll come to the conclusion that the days of man from Adam to the death of Eber was 2187 years, so continuing the calculation from there will put our civilization at under 6000 years old; I don't think the Earth itself is that young; bearing in mind that one day to God is as a thousand years to man, so it could then be that the earth took 7000 years to create, just a thought. However, the dates in Genesis chapter 5 clearly indicate that our civilization is less than 6000 years old.

Like you say though, its a belief amongst evangelicals. They are people so afraid of maybe going to hell after death that they have to try and make everything in the world conform to an ancient book.

 

Genesis wasnt written by Moses. Most of the bible is pseudographia, hence not what it says it is.

 

Religious fanatics needs to really wake up and see how they are damaging people with their delusional beliefs.

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On 4/18/2021 at 2:38 AM, Michi713 said:

Nowhere in the Bible does it say the earth is 6000 yrs. old. 
 

I think there was some bishop who apparently calculated it. His data was basically using the geneaology of the Israelites. I guess his position meant that it was risky to tell him he was wrong.

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On 3/30/2021 at 4:07 AM, DougASmall said:

Yes there are so many gods. 

Hell you are a god yourself. But you are not alive. You are being burnt. 

Being in a host(avatar) body means you are an actor a phantom especially an idol. 

You are duplicitous. 

Not till you face the truth(truth is a rectifying force) do you become existant reconciled 1.

Its to do with energy not religion. 

 

Yes the purpose of your body is for your makers to feed off of you. 

You are like an aphid to them and they are the ants collecting the honey dew off you. 

The problem with statements like that is you cant prove them in any way. You can maybe find anecdotal info to try and support your beliefs but thats it.

 

Its up to you to believe what you will but thats not really a healthy belief system, you have.

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On 3/31/2021 at 2:15 AM, DougASmall said:

Wrong you are changing the scripture. 

 

The human race is a hybridization of two opposed races. 

The dead reptilian race

And the light beings. 

 

It is knowing good and evil. 

 

What does genesis 3.22 say. 

Because ancient mythological books are true?

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