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3 hours ago, JosiahIV said:

 

Wrong you are changing the scripture. 

 

The human race is a hybridization of two opposed races. 

The dead reptilian race

And the light beings. 

 

It is knowing good and evil. 

 

What does genesis 3.22 say. 

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3 hours ago, JosiahIV said:

if you keep on refusing to reply to my comments in full pete, im going to have to discover the block user function on here, because you are not having a conversation nor a discussion, your simply being an idiot who wants to demoralize and lower all of our vibrations and I for one, do not need you to lower me an further than my demons already do.

don't answer anything then just block me, how much sleep do you think I'll go without?

I would rather be a delusional idiot than a hypocrite because at least I wouldn't know any better

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20 hours ago, JosiahIV said:

let me clarify: we are allowed to do the right thing even when doing the right thing is illegal, punishable, or considered evil by the empire we live under.

That is not what you said originally, if you are allowed to do the right thing for your faith ,would that include killing people and taking there land or how about shooting their kids and laughing about it. because in one certain religion ,non believers are classed lower than a dog

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Where is God?  One thing is for sure he's not rushing to alleviate the human suffering.  Maybe he figures they need it or deserve it.  Or maybe thinks it's the price for living at all.

 

Often I hear people talk about the meaning of life or spiritual meaning.

But I don't think there is one unless you make it.

In other words the only meaning there is ... is the meaning that you personally can work out.  It's all up to you.  Otherwise there is no meaning.

Which means that you personally have to investigate learn and understand things, which takes time and effort and love.

Otherwise there is no meaning, there is no prepared meaning.  Meaning means that you have to know something.

 

My teacher he said he went to the holiest place in India, Mount Kailash, which is in a barren region you have to drive there for days with no supplies and up there is this holy mountain and holy lake.  He said he went twice to meet Shiva ... and there was nothing there.

The kingdom of god is within, meaning that when you become a Conscious being it happens inside of you.  There is a great deal of work to do.  Most people never do any, are unaware of any method of doing that work.

 

Mostly spirituality on this planet is just people talking and having ideas or "feeling something".  Well it's not going anywhere, it won't save you being thrown into a hole in the ground.

The methods of transformation, for instance the Catholic Rosary which is a prayer with 50 hail marys and 5 our fathers etc.. in it,  or vipassana meditation, or the vigyan bhairav tantra methods .... these must be applied and done for years.

 

A teacher who can show you how is the most important thing, because that's the only way you can learn.  It has to be shown by another person.

 

Living in Britain, a place where nobody does anything except check rightmove and people are obsessed with waiting calmly whilst they slowly die, and at the same time are completely up their own arse ... there is very little chance.

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Michi713 said:

Agreed.  
You do not need to be a member.  
The Christian ideals are pretty straightforward.  Adhering to them is the challenge.
 


Biden serves money, power, period.  Do you think the religion Biden claims, which is Catholic, has anything to do with who he is?  Those who serve money and power do not care about the religion they claim, nor the religions of anyone they bomb.  It has to do with resources and contract deals.  Plus isn’t the cabal a big deal here on the forum?  Who do they worship?
 

As a grown man you know well as I do that people, especially politicians, are not who they say they are.
 

There is a very prevalent force in your society that shapes people’s biases about Christianity.  It is not an accident that England is one of the most atheist countries in the world.  It’s not because everyone is really really smart (look around your neighborhood).  
 

Anyway, none of this has anything to do with the validity of the teachings of the prophets and Jesus, and God’s commandments.  
 

 

I agree with what you said,and you are right it has nothing to do with the teachings.

If you don't mind let me ask you a hypothetical question that has to do with the teachings.

There is two people both say they are Christians, one lives an exemplary life, doesn't lust after women or money and follows all the commandments to the letter and is kind and considerate but he doesn't believe in god . The other one believes in god and goes to church religiously but is an absolute asshole ,cheats on his wife, steals is a bully etc etc   

Which one will wind up in heaven, will the asshole be forgiven and wind up in heaven simply because he believes  and the other who has only done good in the world will be cast into the fires of hell to be in agony for eternity simply because he doesn't

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11 hours ago, peter said:

There is two people both say they are Christians, one lives an exemplary life, doesn't lust after women or money and follows all the commandments to the letter and is kind and considerate but he doesn't believe in god . The other one believes in god and goes to church religiously but is an absolute asshole ,cheats on his wife, steals is a bully etc etc   


I think you know the answer already, and the answer can be found in the scriptures as well. 
 

Romans 2:12-13

“For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law”. 
 

“For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.”


The one who has heard but doesn’t do is your hypocrite dude. 


Romans 2:14

“For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves“

 

The one who does by his nature is your good dude.

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OK i think I am unneeded here so I will take my leave of you all. I have a lot to say about those pics you shared but its not going to give food to starving children in africa so why should I bother?

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55 minutes ago, JosiahIV said:

OK i think I am unneeded here so I will take my leave of you all. I have a lot to say about those pics you shared but its not going to give food to starving children in africa so why should I bother?

There’s a lot of name calling that goes on here, it’s par for the course.  You and I know you’re not a hypocrite.  And I would like to hear what you have to say on all subjects.  🙂

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21 hours ago, peter said:

That's all fair enough but my point to all this is,  weather it be Christian ,Muslim etc etc all believe in their one true god or deity, why is theirs more superior than the rest, I have asked this question a few times now and still no answer .

In the west when someone says they are a christian you perceive that person be a church goer have high morals and live an exemplary life be free of racism help people where he or she can  etc etc but generally that is actually far from the truth, my point is this, you do not need to be a member of an organized christian religion to actually possess the perceived christian ideals and live life accordingly  

 

I can answer these questions.

The perspective of a religious person is not the kind of perspective of life that you see on the BBC.

For a religious person they recognize that there is a reason and meaning to life as part of a holy existence.  They don't 'just live', nor do they 'just do what everyone else is doing', nor do they let themselves go to the dogs, or believe the TV because it's convenient.

No, they feel God.  Anyone who says they believe what it means is that inside them they feel something of a higher world, literally.  It's not an idea or words or something.

Sitting here they feel inside and they recognize that it is non-material, non-human and divine.

And that's a simple thing anyone who prays or lights candles in church feels that.

 

So ... then you are faced with the fact this human society doesn't care about God or religion and just does it's crazy shit and you don't want to live like that.  So you need protection structure church path .. you need organisation, because you are not wanting to live like everyone else just going round until the grave.  No.

Therefore you need to face the harsh reality of human society and give yourself a solid boundary, which is where every Muslim has a large boundary around them.  They are muslims, they pray they limit their mixing, they adhere follow believe and thrust themselves into the Islam.  That is their path, it is the best the only way.

 

Same for any real Jew or real Christian.  They adhere close, they stay close to the church, they pray every day and their friends are mostly Christian and they limit the world.  

 

So that's why their religion is the best.

 

Now some donkey can stand outside and say ... oh mate, you are the best and he is the best and they are the best ... ooooh ... it's not logical ha ha ha ha

These kinds of people never had any introduction to any religion.

 

You can certainly be a good person without being religious, but standing back I'm afraid that you will see that the being a good person has much more to do with the TV than with reality.

 

Each religion has a set of practices, they have been designed and improved over centuries in order to literally transform the substance of your body being and soul so that you will go to Heaven.  Literally.  It changes the energetic structure of the subtle body and and initiates a higher type of conscious and subconscious intelligence all of which means that you no longer live at the level of general humanity.

 

Anglo cultures like yours they are the most recent Empire given the world its languages, they are rich.  And like Jesus said it is easier for a camel to fit through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the gates ... because rich people think they have everything already.  Problem is when it's time to die ... the bullshit runs out quite quickly, you won't be taking your pergola anywhere.

 

 

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38 minutes ago, rideforever said:

I can answer these questions.

 

Good post. Thanks for actually taking the time to address the questions.

 

You know there's much about religion I disagree with but theres stuff in your post I agree with.

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4 hours ago, rideforever said:

I can answer these questions.

The perspective of a religious person is not the kind of perspective of life that you see on the BBC.

For a religious person they recognize that there is a reason and meaning to life as part of a holy existence.  They don't 'just live', nor do they 'just do what everyone else is doing', nor do they let themselves go to the dogs, or believe the TV because it's convenient.

No, they feel God.  Anyone who says they believe what it means is that inside them they feel something of a higher world, literally.  It's not an idea or words or something.

Sitting here they feel inside and they recognize that it is non-material, non-human and divine.

And that's a simple thing anyone who prays or lights candles in church feels that.

 

So ... then you are faced with the fact this human society doesn't care about God or religion and just does it's crazy shit and you don't want to live like that.  So you need protection structure church path .. you need organisation, because you are not wanting to live like everyone else just going round until the grave.  No.

Therefore you need to face the harsh reality of human society and give yourself a solid boundary, which is where every Muslim has a large boundary around them.  They are muslims, they pray they limit their mixing, they adhere follow believe and thrust themselves into the Islam.  That is their path, it is the best the only way.

 

Same for any real Jew or real Christian.  They adhere close, they stay close to the church, they pray every day and their friends are mostly Christian and they limit the world.  

 I'm not talking about society, you keep going on about how bad it is, I'm talking about the individual and you will find that your  society that you loath is made up of both  good people and bad people right across the religious spectrum from the atheist to the devout.

You have however explained it quite well ,though I would call it social and cultural conditioning, I'm not saying everyone because they received a calling but I would put it to you it is the cultural indoctrination of each successive generation by their respective parents and then the church that has a large bearing on church numbers wealth and practices. People have a desire to belong  and need  a reason for  things that happen weather good or bad ( it's god's will ,god works in mysterious ways etc etc ) and religion fills these two human criteria admirably

 

4 hours ago, rideforever said:

Now some donkey can stand outside and say ... oh mate, you are the best and he is the best and they are the best ... ooooh ... it's not logical ha ha ha ha

These kinds of people never had any introduction to any religion.

That was not the question I asked , Why is an individual 's religion or god better than someone else's, meaning they are on the inside not standing on the outside making asinine noises

 

4 hours ago, rideforever said:

You can certainly be a good person without being religious, but standing back I'm afraid that you will see that the being a good person has much more to do with the TV than with reality.

Sorry but I find that a rather nonsensical observation or argument

 

4 hours ago, rideforever said:

Each religion has a set of practices, they have been designed and improved over centuries in order to literally transform the substance of your body being and soul so that you will go to Heaven.  Literally.  It changes the energetic structure of the subtle body and and initiates a higher type of conscious and subconscious intelligence all of which means that you no longer live at the level of general humanity.

Why can't you initiate these these practices, without being religious or have another set of practices totally different from the religious doctrine that will have the same effect if not better eg shamanic practices in South America and Africa

 

4 hours ago, rideforever said:

Anglo cultures like yours they are the most recent Empire given the world its languages, they are rich.  And like Jesus said it is easier for a camel to fit through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the gates ... because rich people think they have everything already.  Problem is when it's time to die ... the bullshit runs out quite quickly, you won't be taking your pergola anywhere.

So what your saying is that if you are born in the west and white, your fucked, so if I give every thing I own to the church will that get me in, no I'm OK I don't own a pergola, more rubbish I don't see how a quick quote from the bible lends any weight to that statement

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Exactly, you just don't get it at all.

It doesn't matter what I say does it, you think I am trying to reason with you, but it's not about 'reason'.

Those who have not been initiated will never understand.

 

So if you have not been initiated it just doesn't matter what anybody says to you.  Initiation is a living thing it comes from person to person, most often through your family.

 

And this is why humans are sharply divided and why traditions protect themselves, why they say that their's is the best.  Because the world is full of people who will make no attempt to save themseves from being thrown into a hole in the ground, it's a dangerous place.  So you must light the fire of your own tradition.  It is protected, concealed and so on.  Otherwise the ignorance and materialism of the general world will destroy it.

 

As for shamanism, yes t is a path, but it s a sub-conscious path, meaning it is an ancient path of a lower level than say Buddhism, Taoism, Islam or Christianity.

 

You can see what life is about from nature.  For instance under an oak tree there might be 10,000 acorns ... but how many grow?  How many perish?   This is life, just look at it, don't turn away.  These are the rules of life.

 

And although the paintings of oak trees often show them as big beautiful trees growing in lots of space on wide open plains ... it's not always the case.  Sometimes a bird will carry and drop an acorn in the middle of a shithole with no light and boggy ground.  Well that is our situation on the Earth.  It is easy just to die here.  The entire situation here for those who feel God is very dangerous, both from nature and from the ungodly lost people.


And no you cannot really blame people who don't understand.

 

You say you are a good person ... okay peter I accept it, I accept you are a good person.

 

I am a religious person, I feel god, I work towards god and I am leaving this kind of world.  The writing is on the wall and I am responding.

 

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@peter

 

https://www.bitchute.com/video/Pg97ktQjLuWu/

 

 

In this video, Ronald Bernard tells his compelling testimony. His life began with great fear, torment, control, and child abuse, This led him to join the corrupt elite who control the world central banking system and 'real-life' drama in the world.

 

After being invited to partake in the deeper evils of the system that he had been a part of and having an out of body experience he walked away, went into hiding, and began his healing process. He now is an advocate for sovereignty and the True Light Within. He leads a movement called the Declaration of Peace which is linked below.

 

Ronald explaining the Declaration of Peace: https://youtu.be/lsiHiY5q-c0


The Declaration of Peace explained and written by me (Ronald). The purpose of this Declaration of Peace is the liberation of all children (including our inner child) on this planet, so each human can survive and live in peace and harmony with himself or herself, each other, flora, and fauna.

 

United People Movement : https://unitedpeople-foundation.org/declaration-of-peace

 

 

 

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Rant. 

Yuck. 

 

Does anyone give a fig about each other?  Or do they passionately care about being right?  If they had the slightest respect for one another they wouldn’t feel the need to constantly shit upon each other’s beliefs.  

 

This talk about intolerance is projection.  

People have biases and they need to confirm them.

 

Is it possible to be Neo in the Matrix without shitting on Christianity?  Or read Alan Watts books without shitting upon the astral surfers?  

 

It’s all really stupid and gay.  

 

Adults only:

 

If you think the Bible is a big lie:  if this is a lie, or that is a lie, instead of driving by with your asshole/opinion showing, or spitting some incoherentgarbage, make your fkn case using your superior intellect and support your claims.

 

No one here completely knows the score, otherwise they’d be out doing that instead of hanging around here. 

 

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9 hours ago, Michi713 said:

If you think the Bible is a big lie:  if this is a lie, or that is a lie, instead of driving by with your asshole/opinion showing, or spitting some incoherentgarbage, make your fkn case using your superior intellect and support your claims.

 

Hi Michi, thought I'd give an example.

 

According to Blavatsky and some, spiritualists, occultists and scholars Hell is a Christian myth or lie.

 

In the Bible in Matthew 16:18 Jesus says - 

 

'I also tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my assembly, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it.'

 

The inclusion of Hades suggests Jesus is talking about Hell, I believe in some Bible versions he says 'the gates of Hell shall not prevail' However in literal translations Jesus says - 

 

'I also tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my assembly, and the gates of DEATH will not prevail against it.' 

 

Meaning, when you die, death will not prevail, you will live on in Jesus' church.

 

Apparently anywhere in the Bible where it says 'Hell' or 'Hades' or originally 'Gehenna' etc it is mistranslated or a misrepresentation of the original text. Hell is not mentioned in the original text it is a Christian myth. Or as I prefer to say a Christian lie.

 

Does anyone else have references or more information to Hell or Satan being a Myth or lie? I have a few sources I would be interested to have more.

 

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No one here completely knows the score, otherwise they’d be out doing that instead of hanging around here. 

 

Agreed. But the great thing is we can discuss our opinions thanks to sites like these!

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Do Jews Believe in Hell?
What Is the Jewish Belief on Hell?
By Aron Moss

 

Dear Rabbi,

Do Jews believe in Hell? I am not planning any trips there or anything, but I have heard conflicting reports about its existence.

 

Answer:

We do believe in a type of Hell, but not the one found in cartoons and joke books. Hell is not a punishment in the conventional sense; it is, in fact, the expression of a great kindness.

 

The Jewish mystics described a spiritual place called “Gehinnom.” This is usually translated as “Hell,” but a better translation would be “the Supernal Washing Machine.” Because that’s exactly how it works. The way our soul is cleansed in Gehinnom is similar to the way our clothes are cleansed in a washing machine.                     

 

 Link - https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/1594422/jewish/Do-Jews-Believe-in-Hell.htm

 

The above explanation on what happens to your soul after death is similar to the ones given by spiritualists. There are many heavens after this world and depending on the type of person you are depends on which 'heaven' 'sphere' 'processing station' you go to.

 

It is said there are 50 gates to the Kingdom of Heaven, Moses made it to 49 but only Jesus has ever made it to 50. Each gate is like a gateway for other worlds, 'in my fathers house there are many mansions' each Mansion has many rooms and each mansion has a gateway. hence 50 gates to 50 Mansions and each Mansion with many rooms. You see the idea, there are many Heavens and yes there is one that is for not nice people to go to first, but in it they will be purified and then allowed to move on to another soul processing station, where again they will go through further purification's. And so it goes on, onwards and upwards towards the Kingdom or dwelling place of the source or God.

 

Thats what I have been reading anyway. 

 

The idea of an Eternal Hell for souls is a Christian fiction, not supported by the experiences of spiritualists and those able to surf the Astral plane or other religions.

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Hell is where a soul is formed in such a way that it does not die properly but is continuously parasited by the devil  Although I understand this to be very rare.

 

Because a soul must ascend from the unconscious realm to the subconscious realm and finally to the Conscious realm (Heaven) ... he passes through a place where creatures exist who are not in the light they live like barbarians in a half world of mist and darkness where evil can exist ... it has some intelligence but no real light, this is a dangerous nether world, inside it various powers and forces live and rule in little kingdoms of darkness.  Souls can be trapped there, and if they are caused to be formed in a bent way they can become such that nobody can help them anymore, they are bent and bent and bent again, and form a kind of structure that cannot be saved, then they do not die but live in hell continuously parasited by the dark sources.   This is literal.

 

That is quite different from being angry, or being stupid or being unconscious or being a sheep ... all those things are relatively benign.

 

Stay away from the darkness.  Those who visit the church of satan or start doing things contrary to nature invite dark forces to hurt them.  They are often people who have some "opening", some kind of spiritual connection, they can feel things ... their gates are open, and so the dark parasites come.  And those people go to a school in a deeply sick society and have been taught to sell their soul or pervert their own nature ... those people then invite the dark forces in, and such people can yes they can become trapped in hell.

 

What is happening in the world right now, from Fukushima, to Covid, to killing all the fish in the ocean ... to watching Breaking Bad on Netflix, and burning down churches ... and .... just shows how far from any sense of sanity human beings can drift.

 

Anyway most people are lucky to not have the kind of imagination required for such things.

 

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22 hours ago, shabbirss said:

In this video, Ronald Bernard tells his compelling testimony. His life began with great fear, torment, control, and child abuse, This led him to join the corrupt elite who control the world central banking system and 'real-life' drama in the world.

 

This FUCKING EVIL.

 

What this twat is saying is that a new world order should be created to prevent parents raising their children how they want.

 

Parents will be forced to comply with what the crowd has inflicted upon it ... and prevented from raising their kids the way they want.

 

They will interfere in your own family.

 

Perhaps they force you to inject as well.... "for peace".

 

Fuck these people are so sick they don't even know what they are saying.

 

They he that fucking violin music to pull your heartstrungs ...for the children, for the Covid, for the global warming.

 

The evil inside humans is deep and ugly.   This is satan.

 

Get away from me and my family .... your fuciking new world order can fk itself.

 

And no you can't steal my money from my bank account for your dumb fuck project of "world victim peace" ... and saving the fucking badgers.

 

What right do you have to make interfere with me?

 

None, even if you are a "spiritual" loser person.

 

By the way ... Jesus Buddha Moses Muhammed Laozi ... never tried to steal from people "for peace", nor did they interfere with anybody's family ... nor did they "invent a new fucking world.".
The world already has rules, they simply learned the rules that exist and followed them rather than dreaming up so more shit ... for peace.

 

Do fuck off.

 

>> anybody who wonders how I can be spiritual and swear so much ... this is why.

 

This evil lying insanity ... is inside people, they will cry crocodile tears and wear the pope suit and yet inside them is only evil.  This world is dangerous and full of charlatans.
But there is a Way, and it is hard to find here.  That is the worst thing, that there.

 

Another thing this creep Ronad Bernard does is he says ... it's not about me, it's about whatever you want you can do.  Meaning he does not actually know what to do.  He is like most modern assholes who want to organise a global movement but don't know what for, everyone else can decide.
WTF
This is just the rise of sheep ... the only thing they want to do is be a herd.
And when it comes to interfering with your family For Peace or taking your money For The Environment ... what that is ... is the effort of sheep to totally destroy any real people, any individuals and any souls.

Because sheep hate souls.   A soul is a human being who has not fallen into an animal.   And the human sheep hate souls.

That is why the nailed Jesus to a Cross and stuck a lance into his liver and watch him die.   That is what the sheep do t all the souls.

They did it to Socrates, they tried to kill Buddha several times ... the sheep are very malicious and nasty.

They never want what is good for you ... For Peace.

Evil world.

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2 hours ago, rideforever said:

Hell is where a soul is formed in such a way that it does not die properly but is continuously parasited by the devil  Although I understand this to be very rare.

 

Because a soul must ascend from the unconscious realm to the subconscious realm and finally to the Conscious realm (Heaven) ... he passes through a place where creatures exist who are not in the light they live like barbarians in a half world of mist and darkness where evil can exist ... it has some intelligence but no real light, this is a dangerous nether world, inside it various powers and forces live and rule in little kingdoms of darkness.  Souls can be trapped there, and if they are caused to be formed in a bent way they can become such that nobody can help them anymore, they are bent and bent and bent again, and form a kind of structure that cannot be saved, then they do not die but live in hell continuously parasited by the dark sources.   This is literal.

 

I can show you the lie but if you choose to continue to believe it thats up to you.

 

When we are talking about spiritual matters its very hard to get the truth, instead we get interpretations of people experiences and visions put as best as they can into words. We look at the weight of the information - how many people believe it. From this and other intuitive factors we make assumptions and form our beliefs.

 

If we look at the weight of evidence for the literal Hell that Christians believe we find it is not endorsed by other religions nor spiritualists, hence the weight of evidence for a Hell rests entirely on Roman interpretation of scripture and their own spiritual forays into the other worlds. Nobody else supports it. The weight of evidence is against it being true.

 

If you want to continue believing in the guilt trip, go ahead, I don't.

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