soulalways Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 (edited) can someone who really knows the legal implications about NOT wearing a mask(without medical exemption)...please enlighten me....shops say you can NOT enter without a mask...is this really legal? so basically is it LAW(written in statute)we have to wear a mask in enclosed(buildings)public places..as ive trawled the net without an aswer? i look forward to an answer...this is UK ONLY. Many Thanks Edited February 15, 2021 by soulalways Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarianF Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 1 hour ago, soulalways said: can someone who really knows the legal implications about NOT wearing a mask(without medical exemption)...please enlighten me....shops say you can NOT enter without a mask...is this really legal? so basically is it LAW(written in statute)we have to wear a mask in enclosed(buildings)public places..as ive trawled the net without an aswer? i look forward to an answer...this is UK ONLY. Many Thanks Management has the right to refuse entry. It's a universal principle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gone Fishing... Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 8 hours ago, DarianF said: Management has the right to refuse entry. It's a universal principle. I would disagree. UK law states that it is illegal to discriminate against people with disabilities. A few weeks ago a woman was awarded £7,000 in compensation for being refused entry without a mask. BC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gone Fishing... Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 9 hours ago, soulalways said: can someone who really knows the legal implications about NOT wearing a mask(without medical exemption)...please enlighten me....shops say you can NOT enter without a mask...is this really legal? so basically is it LAW(written in statute)we have to wear a mask in enclosed(buildings)public places..as ive trawled the net without an aswer? i look forward to an answer...this is UK ONLY. Many Thanks Do you feel distressed when wearing a mask ? BC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulalways Posted February 15, 2021 Author Share Posted February 15, 2021 @Basket Case no not at all..i,m distressed about this whole scenario....i just want to get facts as im not going to wear a mask anymore..especially in shops. so its online shopping then if DarianF,s comments are correct. this is a massive grey area for a lot of folk who want to know how they stand. thank you for replies..still not conclusive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gone Fishing... Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 14 minutes ago, soulalways said: @Basket Case no not at all..i,m distressed about this whole scenario....i just want to get facts as im not going to wear a mask anymore..especially in shops. so its online shopping then if DarianF,s comments are correct. this is a massive grey area for a lot of folk who want to know how they stand. thank you for replies..still not conclusive. DarianF resides in Australia if I remember correctly from his comments and posts. UK Government official information: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own And: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own If you suffer from distress or believe that wearing a mask is harmful then you are exempt. Anyone can ask why you are not wearing one. Your reply would simply be : "I am exempt" No-one is allowed by law to question your medical history or why you're exempt. Even the Police. Questioning your exemption is classed as Disability Discrimination. Doctors do not issue letters of exemption. The Government website explains that you do not have to carry a badge or card explaining but states that you can if it makes you feel more comfortable. BC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duewy Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 In these time the "law" is what ever those in power say it is. If charged could you win in court... maybe. But not until you have been dragged mercilessly through the system. Question then becomes, are you willing to be punished today just to have your 10 minutes in court? And then tomorrow you will likely be repeating the scenario all over again. Alone you are insignificant, .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gone Fishing... Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 25 minutes ago, Duewy said: Alone you are insignificant Which is why everyone needs to be aware of the Law about exemption. Courts would grind to a halt if everyone decided that masks caused them harm or distress and the police tried to challenge everyone. BC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anti Facts Sir Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Basket Case said: DarianF resides in Australia if I remember correctly from his comments and posts. UK Government official information: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own And: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own If you suffer from distress or believe that wearing a mask is harmful then you are exempt. Anyone can ask why you are not wearing one. Your reply would simply be : "I am exempt" No-one is allowed by law to question your medical history or why you're exempt. Even the Police. Questioning your exemption is classed as Disability Discrimination. Doctors do not issue letters of exemption. The Government website explains that you do not have to carry a badge or card explaining but states that you can if it makes you feel more comfortable. BC As @Basket Caserightly posts, this is at present the official, Government-sanctioned advice on face coverings in the UK, and has been since last year. Businesses and owners of property can exert their right to refuse entry to anyone not wearing a mask/face covering, but they run the risk of breaching the UK Disability and Equality acts, which could cost them up to £9,000. Edited February 15, 2021 by Anti Facts Sir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gone Fishing... Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, Anti Facts Sir said: As @Basket Caserightly posts, this is at present the official, Government-sanctioned advice on face coverings in the UK, and has been since last year. Businesses and owners of property can exert their right to refuse entry to anyone not wearing a mask/face covering, but they run the risk of breaching the UK Disability and Equality acts, which could cost them up to £9,000. A disabled woman assisted by Kester Disability Rights has been paid £7,000 in compensation by a service provider who refused her access to a service because she was unable to wear a face mask. The pay-out was achieved through negotiation as there was no dispute that access had been denied, or that the Claimant had a disability exemption. The only thing to be agreed was the amount of compensation, not whether it was due or not. Refusing access to people unable to wear face coverings due to disability is direct discrimination - no different to denying access to a black or gay person for example. Disabled people are now routinely harassed in public for not wearing face coverings - frequently given the impression that confidential medical information must be publicly disclosed to justify exemption. The fact that shops and hospitality businesses routinely display "no mask no entry" signs shows how deeply disablist attitudes are embedded in society. If premises displayed "no blacks" or "no gays" notices there would be outrage. Fortunately the official Government position does not endorse any of this as nobody exempt from wearing a mask is expected to go around justifying themselves. Saying "I'm exempt" is enough. If the response to that can be proved to be discriminatory then compensation is due. https://disabilityrights.org.uk/first-face-mask-discrimination-case-nets-7-000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anti Facts Sir Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 I have noticed changes to the signs at Petrol Stations lately. Tesco have large sign saying something to the effect of No Entry to anyone without a face covering, but it has a small asterisk next to it, with the "unless exempt" disclaimer. BP meanwhile now demand anyone without a face covering* to pay at their Night Pay till at the window. Again the *unless exempt caveat applies. So unless you are noticing the very small print on these signs, and are aware of the nuances of the law as posted above, you might feel compelled to muzzle yourself and assume there is no alternative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulalways Posted February 15, 2021 Author Share Posted February 15, 2021 (edited) @Basket Case many thanks for your in depth explanation...PANORAMA TONIGHT...THEIR GOING TO DO A NUMBER ON US GUYS! https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000scy8 Edited February 15, 2021 by soulalways Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gone Fishing... Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 19 minutes ago, soulalways said: explanation...PANORAMA TONIGHT...THEIR GOING TO DO A NUMBER ON US GUYS! Fuck 'em.. :0) They've been doing' a number on us' for ever. I see it as desperation. It should backfire on them as it'll get normies that smell a rat that there's more to this than meets the eye and that there's lots of other people asking 'strange questions'. Bring it on.. :0) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulalways Posted February 15, 2021 Author Share Posted February 15, 2021 well who ever i meet i try and have a reasonable discussion and try to push the truth the best i can BC... the thing is that people are SCARED to death and i get "But the government wouldnt lie to us about this" OH YES THEY WOULD AND HAVE !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulalways Posted February 15, 2021 Author Share Posted February 15, 2021 i,ve never felt so isolated from people in my life!!!..its so heartbreaking seeing people,family,friends,rushing to get their bodies pumped full of that Muck! and they look at me as if i,m NUTS!...lol! but i,ll never ever give in to this crap...NEVER!..we all have to do our bit!!!...even though some of us have never done a thing like this before..i.ve never been on a demo in my life but i,m going to london in march! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anti Facts Sir Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 58 minutes ago, Basket Case said: Fuck 'em.. :0) My sentiments exactly. There's no depth that the Baby Buggering Corporation won't stoop to, in order to protect its interests and paymasters. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anti Facts Sir Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 58 minutes ago, soulalways said: well who ever i meet i try and have a reasonable discussion and try to push the truth the best i can BC... the thing is that people are SCARED to death and i get "But the government wouldnt lie to us about this" OH YES THEY WOULD AND HAVE !!! This is sadly all too common. I have it within my own family. Welcome, btw! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Brad the lad Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 (edited) Following the law and something that is legal are 2 different things..... Law- No victim then no crime. You can't be unlawful without a victim and this doesn't include potential victims. This is the basic fundamental of natural law. Legal- Potential victims can be assumed and you can be charged on the assumption of harm to other people. This can range from something as trivial as wearing a mask to drink driving. This is maintained on the basis of "you" representing yourself as your legal fiction (not the living man/woman that you are). This system requires you to have a medical exemption if dealing with corporate companies (government buildings, shops, petrol stations etc..) In the legal enviroment it's "illegal" to force someone who is exempt to wear one (as mentioned above by Basket Case) In a lawful enviroment the entire situation being forced upon EVERYONE now is unlawful. Edited February 15, 2021 by Brad the lad 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarianF Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 Let's start making some hypothetical conversations to provide some options for the average person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gone Fishing... Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 27 minutes ago, DarianF said: Let's start making some hypothetical conversations to provide some options for the average person. As short as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarianF Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, Basket Case said: As short as possible. Okay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BossCrow Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 (edited) On 2/15/2021 at 1:11 AM, soulalways said: can someone who really knows the legal implications about NOT wearing a mask(without medical exemption)...please enlighten me....shops say you can NOT enter without a mask...is this really legal? so basically is it LAW(written in statute)we have to wear a mask in enclosed(buildings)public places..as ive trawled the net without an aswer? i look forward to an answer...this is UK ONLY. Many Thanks Link to the Equality Act 2010- https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/contents Edited February 16, 2021 by BossCrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayneDough Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 https://www.adasoutheast.org/ada/publications/legal/ada-and-face-mask-policies.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarianF Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 Everyone used to understand the importance of a good oxygen supply through a mask. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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