Apparenlty according David Icke, academics i.e. those of us that value reading, learning, debate and analysis are all Simpson's type tossers!

[Guest]

I quote (see image below).  I therefore wonder, seriously, am I wasting my time on this forum entirely, Gateth Icke?  Grumpy Owl?  Anyone? Me being an academic type of person who actually cares about free speech, mega corporate and political greed and exploitation, young humans and their future freedoms (or lack thereof!) Or is the Great Lord Icke simply laughing at my genuine concerns over the situation that humanity now currently faces because I think that zoonotic viruses are a danger to all populations of humans, especially those living in close contact with wildlife now being abused and consumed with no respect for nature whatsoever?.  Humans have disrupted nature, destroyed many habitats and viruses do and will always cross species, but to someone who has decided that pathogens do not even exist, I suppose, there is no reasoning or debate.  More fool me eh, for giving a damn.  Disappointed.  Oh well, 'it is what it is'...

[Guest]

Thanks though everyone for your interest and support.  Appreciated in these challenging times x.

[serpentine]

1 hour ago, Clare Wise said:

 Anyone?

 

 

Nothing wrong with being academic but certain areas of academia have been highly politicized by people with an agenda to the point where science for example has lost what should be an open minded ethos. Then you have governments and their agencies conducting secret science and suppressing others whose research is moving in those directions. The rise of computer modelling unhindered by a proper understanding of the reality of a subject is another point.

 

Any recent circumspection on my part at least about particular subjects that I previously discussed in earlier renditions of the forum has been quite necessary under the current climate..

 

 

 

 

[andy1033]

Anyone that cares about what the truth is, is rubbished like this.

 

The last thing people want to hear is the truth.

 

They cannot push there agendas, and having anyone pointing out the fallacy of there words, and lies. It certainly points to how this stuff must of always went on, and leads one to doubt what accepted history is or was.

 

These people, even though ww2 was a living persons memory ago, conned the world that america beat germany. they have brainwashed the german people that america beat germany. When in reality 2/3 of all germans who died in ww2 fighting, died fighting on eastern front against soviet countries.

 

But for some reason, uk, and usa totally ignore this truth, but weirdly there version of events that america beat germany is a majority accepted view of the ww2 ending.

 

If you watch ww2 movies, you would think a group of 5 american soldiers beat germany on there own.

 

That in many ways sums up the world we live in, and how manipulated truths are, when they are not truths anymore, just accepted ideas, that people present as facts, when they are not.

[Macnamara]

The danger with academia is that people are taught a version of things that then forms the students perception of reality

 

Because that student learned (ie invested time, effort and money into the process) what they were taught they then believe dogmatically that they now hold the definitive truth about something when really they only know what they have been taught (which could be incomplete or might have been formed through a bias)

 

This can create paradigms and many academics become heavily invested in those paradigms because they write books on them and publish research on them and if the paradigm is upturned then those academics lose their carefully cultivated status as an 'expert' on the paradigm. These paradigms become a belief system that are defended as the orthodoxy of their field and the academics that uphold them become their high priests.

 

This shouldn't really be tolerated in a society that values the truth because if new evidence emerges that challenges a paradigm then perception should adjust with it instead of upholding a false, distorted or inaccurate perception of reality

 

Now when we add the further dimension that many of those academics will actually have an agenda for example they may be neo-marxists, we see that they will always uphold a paradigm that advances their agenda instead of always seeking to move closer to the truth

 

Under such circumstances their work becomes propaganda

Edited February 6, 2021 by Macnamara

[Macnamara]

Here is a very good exploration of the process i have outlined in my post above:

Episode 353 – The Crisis of Science

Corbett • 02/23/2019

 

https://www.bitchute.com/video/LfHEuWaPh9Q/

 

[peter]

How many academics are funded by powers that be and as such to continue in their lucrative position they have to produce outcomes that further the respective agenders of their benefactors.

I listened to a CSIRO scientist interview on the radio that was lamenting the fact that if he put in a funding request to study the sex life of a fruit fly he would have no chance of getting the money ,but if the application was for the study of the sex life of a fruit fly with regards to global warming he would have so much money he wouldn't know what to do with it all. Now look at the shit that so called academics are pushing in university these days (gender studies ,safe spaces ,trigger warnings, micro aggression, etc etc etc ) need I go on.

I think Icke's assessment of the situation is very close to the mark, so if you look up and see the mythical foo bird circling, it's probably well deserved.

However there are always exemptions to the rule and hats off to the real academics and scientists that follow the evidence where ever that may lead

[DarianF]

9 hours ago, Clare Wise said:

I quote (see image below).  I therefore wonder, seriously, am I wasting my time on this forum entirely, Gateth Icke?  Grumpy Owl?  Anyone? Me being an academic type of person who actually cares about free speech, mega corporate and political greed and exploitation, young humans and their future freedoms (or lack thereof!) Or is the Great Lord Icke simply laughing at my genuine concerns over the situation that humanity now currently faces because I think that zoonotic viruses are a danger to all populations of humans, especially those living in close contact with wildlife now being abused and consumed with no respect for nature whatsoever?.  Humans have disrupted nature, destroyed many habitats and viruses do and will always cross species, but to someone who has decided that pathogens do not even exist, I suppose, there is no reasoning or debate.  More fool me eh, for giving a damn.  Disappointed.  Oh well, 'it is what it is'...

 

Lord Icke. Actually, I like it

[serpentine]

1 hour ago, peter said:

How many academics are funded by powers that be and as such to continue in their lucrative position they have to produce outcomes that further the respective agenders of their benefactors.

I listened to a CSIRO scientist interview on the radio that was lamenting the fact that if he put in a funding request to study the sex life of a fruit fly he would have no chance of getting the money ,but if the application was for the study of the sex life of a fruit fly with regards to global warming he would have so much money he wouldn't know what to do with it all. Now look at the shit that so called academics are pushing in university these days (gender studies ,safe spaces ,trigger warnings, micro aggression, etc etc etc ) need I go on.

I think Icke's assessment of the situation is very close to the mark, so if you look up and see the mythical foo bird circling, it's probably well deserved.

However there are always exemptions to the rule and hats off to the real academics and scientists that follow the evidence where ever that may lead

 

That too and of course in this particular case bats were around long before early hominids and the latter spent a long time sharing caves with them.  Unfortunately the virome of fossil species and ancient man is not available for study so there will be a big gap in the part that viruses play in all evolutionary processess. Working on the agenda that vaccines are the answer to everything will keep us in the dark on the matter.

[DarianF]

1 hour ago, peter said:

How many academics are funded by powers that be and as such to continue in their lucrative position they have to produce outcomes that further the respective agenders of their benefactors.

I listened to a CSIRO scientist interview on the radio that was lamenting the fact that if he put in a funding request to study the sex life of a fruit fly he would have no chance of getting the money ,but if the application was for the study of the sex life of a fruit fly with regards to global warming he would have so much money he wouldn't know what to do with it all. Now look at the shit that so called academics are pushing in university these days (gender studies ,safe spaces ,trigger warnings, micro aggression, etc etc etc ) need I go on.

I think Icke's assessment of the situation is very close to the mark, so if you look up and see the mythical foo bird circling, it's probably well deserved.

However there are always exemptions to the rule and hats off to the real academics and scientists that follow the evidence where ever that may lead

 

Academia is full of a lot of bullshit. There's a lot of valuable stuff in there too. The skill is in sorting it all out. But ultimately at this point, on this Covid issue especially, academia is completely compromised ethically, financially and in every other way imaginable. To the point where nothing can be trusted. Nothing. Too much horse shit. And no academic would dare challenge the official narrative at this point in the game; or at least they wouldn't expect to survive long. When you have this overwhelming threat hanging like a storm cloud, you can't trust anything coming out.

[DarianF]

11 hours ago, Clare Wise said:

Thanks though everyone for your interest and support.  Appreciated in these challenging times x.

 

Journalists and academics have all these great ideals, in principle. But in reality, both fields are totally compromised and regularly betray their own professional ideals.