Where to escape to?

[Ed8]

As we descend further into fascist, Orwellian technocracy, my family and I are starting to consider escape routes - places where it might be possible to avoid vaccine passports, compliance-linked UBI, state surveillance and away from a helplessly brainwashed society that is only getting worse. 

 

Tanzania holds appeal - sunny, nice beaches, no masks, no vax. Although possibly in the pocket of China (as is much of Africa) so who knows what is down the line.

 

Does anyone have any ideas?

 

[EnigmaticWorld]

44 minutes ago, Ed8 said:

Tanzania holds appeal - sunny, nice beaches, no masks, no vax. Although possibly in the pocket of China (as is much of Africa) so who knows what is down the line.

 

Agenda 2063, probably.

[EnigmaticWorld]

I did want to go somewhere cold to be left alone, but I'm not sure where since 2020.

[Truthspoon]

North Cyprus is a pretty good option, as long as Turkey remains relatively friendly.

 

I might go back there myself. Good weather, relatively low prices (everything subsidised by Turkey) and plenty of English teaching jobs, it would help to have some qualifications though.

Lots of Brits out there too..... some villages around Lefke are almost exclusively full of Brits.

 

 

Edited January 15, 2021 by Truthspoon

[The Illuminator]

Puerto Rico

Malaysia 

New Zealand 

 

Love them. Not sure what they're like post Covid BS

[Michael]

3 hours ago, Ed8 said:

As we descend further into fascist, Orwellian technocracy, my family and I are starting to consider escape routes - places where it might be possible to avoid vaccine passports, compliance-linked UBI, state surveillance and away from a helplessly brainwashed society that is only getting worse. 

 

Tanzania holds appeal - sunny, nice beaches, no masks, no vax. Although possibly in the pocket of China (as is much of Africa) so who knows what is down the line.

 

Does anyone have any ideas?

 

 

The problem is that you cannot count on it, when a country refuses to go along with these enforcements. That might also change rather quickly, because whoever refuses to go along with it, will face pressure.

Secondly, moving from one country to another is not something one should take lightly, as the culture,climate and language are different and it always seems easy when talked about it, but is a heavy commitment to actually go through with it.

 

If you want to disconnect yourself from the system, you have to go to the outback in a bigger country where barely anyone lives. Thats what i would do if moving to another place is the only way out.

 

Other than that keep on fighting with all the others that are in the resistance. Its helpful if you find likeminded people in real life and plan out how you can support each other.

 

The NWO is going nowhere, unless we overthrow it. Running away might work for you, but most likely not for your kids or the kids after that. There is no easy way out, its probably one of the toughest times humanity ever lived in.

Edited January 15, 2021 by Michael

[Mr H]

The countries that have experienced in fairly recent history, complete tyranny who have fairly recently experienced freedom, will not so readily give their freedoms away.

 

In that sense, I think Eastern Europe will be a good place to be, places like Serbia etc and Eastern European economy seems to have better outlook for growth than western Europe.

 

Asia will become China's gulag in time. South America could go either way - Africa could be the place to be next few decades as it will be the place for phenomenal capitilast growth and opportunity

[Ed8]

On 1/15/2021 at 4:06 PM, Michael said:

 

The problem is that you cannot count on it, when a country refuses to go along with these enforcements. That might also change rather quickly, because whoever refuses to go along with it, will face pressure.

Secondly, moving from one country to another is not something one should take lightly, as the culture,climate and language are different and it always seems easy when talked about it, but is a heavy commitment to actually go through with it.

 

If you want to disconnect yourself from the system, you have to go to the outback in a bigger country where barely anyone lives. Thats what i would do if moving to another place is the only way out.

 

Other than that keep on fighting with all the others that are in the resistance. Its helpful if you find likeminded people in real life and plan out how you can support each other.

 

The NWO is going nowhere, unless we overthrow it. Running away might work for you, but most likely not for your kids or the kids after that. There is no easy way out, its probably one of the toughest times humanity ever lived in.

Yep. The President of Tanzania has been duly killed off...

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-56437852

[oz93666]

This problem of where to escape to was resolved 16 years ago ! ... Some of us saw this all coming ...

 

I've told my story before , but  new members may not have herd it , or my offer of help , so here it is again ....

 

The year 2000 found me living in Glastonbury (I was age 47 then) .... Having been a student of Magick for many decades I had loads of money ( magick anit magick if you can't conjure up  money) , didn't have to work , bought a large detached house and set about turning it into a tantric temple .... This has been an ongoing theme throughout my life , constructing a space for divine sex ... the thing is I just never get things finished to actually practice divine sex ... the dark force opposition is just too strong , sabotaging everything .... This time in Glastonbury was just the same  , after 4 years I was getting nowhere ... Also during this time I was intensely studying our subject, listening to AJ 3 hrs a day , every day  ... I came to the conclusion the NWO would soon make their move and I needed to get somewhere safe . I also concluded this big move would probably be a virus .... they had killed literally hundreds of microbiologists , a very strong indicator , and there were other reasons ....

 

Where to go??? Must be somewhere warm . Humans are not designed for Northern climates too bloody cold !! food doesn't grow , so in a survival situation things are doubly hard ... So somewhere warm , not too much under the control of the NWO .... Strange coincidences pushed me to decide on Thailand ....

 

So I sold up .... told everyone who would listen "UK is not survivable the controllers are going to release a virus" .... "And just when is this going to happen?" someone asked... "Perhaps by the start of the next decade" ... I said ...  People living in Glastonbury will confirm this prediction , particularly if involved in the yoga scene they will remember me ... my parting words were  .."Don't take the vaccine" ...

 

So I was a decade out , I thought the virus might be released in 2010 ... Still that's just as well , I'm still not fully prepared ....

 

I left UK with 200K pounds which makes things so much easier ...Spent the first year on one of the islands at a yoga hangout , then took up with a Thai lady and headed for a remote inland area ... Bought a massive piece of land , semi jungle with a river , about ten football pitches in size , coconuts , bananas and a dozen other fruits grow wild , I've built a large underground bunker with foot thick reinforced concrete walls...

 

Thailand has only 1% reported covid deaths that UK has , despite same population size , so no plans here for mass vaccination , It must be one of the best places to be ....

 

And you are all welcome to come and live on the land I have here ! .... I do know how difficult people are to get on with ,particularly you lot ,  but since the land is so big you can go off into a corner somewhere and not be under my feet .... If you have money things will be a lot easier , if not you can build a shack with the bamboo that grows everywhere. 

 

 

Edited March 18, 2021 by oz93666

[EnigmaticWorld]

On 3/18/2021 at 1:42 AM, oz93666 said:

The year 2000 found me living in Glastonbury (I was age 47 then) .... Having been a student of Magick for many decades I had loads of money ( magick anit magick if you can't conjure up  money) , didn't have to work , bought a large detached house and set about turning it into a tantric temple .... This has been an ongoing theme throughout my life , constructing a space for divine sex ... the thing is I just never get things finished to actually practice divine sex ...

 

So you did it all for gibs and sex? Maybe those degenerates that think with their dick and brag about banging white woman are onto something, as annoying as those muh dick folks are. /s

 

Edit: Not a dig. I'm just thinking how my life would be different if I still chased Mammon and women. lol

Edited March 22, 2021 by EnigmaticWorld

[Lamp Of Truth]

On 1/15/2021 at 12:55 PM, Ed8 said:

As we descend further into fascist, Orwellian technocracy, my family and I are starting to consider escape routes - places where it might be possible to avoid vaccine passports, compliance-linked UBI, state surveillance and away from a helplessly brainwashed society that is only getting worse. 

 

Tanzania holds appeal - sunny, nice beaches, no masks, no vax. Although possibly in the pocket of China (as is much of Africa) so who knows what is down the line.

 

Does anyone have any ideas?

 

 

If you run away to one of those places you might be safe for a while but it's only a matter of time before the fascists catch up with you, maybe then you'd realise the better option was to never run away in the first place but to stand and fight.

[oz93666]

5 hours ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

So you did it all for gibs and sex? Maybe those degenerates that think with their dick and brag about banging white woman are onto something, as annoying as those muh dick folks are. /s

 

Edit: Not a dig. I'm just thinking how my life would be different if I still chased Mammon and women. lol

 

"gibs" ??? ...that means Money ??? I realized early on in my life , if you were not financially set up you were a slave to the system , working 9 to 5 , surrendering most of your life to be directed by an employer ...Either that or go on the dole and have extremely limited options ... So early on I spent a lot of time on "affluence consciousness" ... being comfortable with money , convincing myself I deserved it so my life could be my own ... and the lucky breaks soon started to magically appear....

 

Sex???  ... One of the strongest themes of mind control we have directed at us is that Sex is dirty , degenerate , unholy ... all the swear words are sexual "You're a cunt"  ..."You're a prick" .... "Fuck you" ... This is the plan of the dark forces , to keep man and woman apart , in conflict ... Sex in it's untainted form unites and leads naturally to true love ...

 

They try to convince you money and sex are evil , because both lead to freedom . 

 

So once the dark forces and the mind control are gone , sex will become sacred , Yoga is an integral part of bringing this about , and zero gravity.

[k_j_evans]

I'm old, so I wouldn't be much good in a fight, so I just want to run away. Need to be somewhere that takes illegals (with some money) without too much trouble though.

[CrowintheSnow]

Buy a piece of land far from the beaten track in Canada. Live in an army tent with woodburner until you get a cabin built.

 

What comes along with that has to be the toughest piece of work imaginable and I don't know all the "laws" there, but if I were 30 years younger that would just capture my heart and soul.

[Truthspoon]

9 minutes ago, CrowintheSnow said:

Buy a piece of land far from the beaten track in Canada. Live in an army tent with woodburner until you get a cabin built.

 

What comes along with that has to be the toughest piece of work imaginable and I don't know all the "laws" there, but if I were 30 years younger that would just capture my heart and soul.

 

The wilds of Canada are a pretty good place to freeze to death.

 

I suppose it is doable but only for people in peak fitness and mental stability.

 

What you're suggesting is out of the reach of most people..... and is it even desirable to have to live every day like some survival horror game.

I'd rather fight zombies in the cities than freeze off my titties.

 

That said I have a former carpenter friend who loves the cold and likes working up heat banging things into other things, He would love what you suggested. 

 

Edited March 24, 2021 by Truthspoon

[shadowmoon]

https://www.fifetoday.co.uk/arts-and-culture/forgotten-history-firth-forth-islands-1102061

 

Grab an island.

[Shake]

Somewhere in Iceland. It has always been my dream to stay there for a bit. 

[eye2eye]

You might be buying time for a little while but eventually someone will find you or fight you over the land. You will have many people wanting to flee to the same “off the grid” places and the peace loving hippies will go rogue.

[Ergo Storm]

Going off-grid does not necessarily mean having to move.  You don't need to escape.  You can go off-grid in situ.  Just become self-sufficient where you are, even if you're living in an ordinary house on a housing estate.  Grow your own food.  Keep chickens, etc.  You can even keep pigs, which is what I do in the garden of a very ordinary house.  I get some funny looks, but at the same time, nobody bothers me.  Self-sufficiency is completely legal.  You can even generate your own energy.  I power my house and outbuildings with solar, use gas canisters, and collect rainwater.  I'm thinking about biogas.  Keep fit and train in the countryside.  Learn skills like archery and riflemanship.  Rent an allotment.  Prep and store canned food.  Take it slowly.  Work on it over years.  All these activities involve the acquisition of knowledge and skills that are useful in their own right and lead to an awareness of Nature and the countryside.  

 

I have also moved away from using public services, especially health.  I have deregistered from my GP (this can be done, if you know the procedure).  I am off the electoral roll and ignore the census.  I go everywhere by push bike, except when working (I have a van and work in building renovation).  However, I still pay my tax and National Insurance - in the case of tax, because I don't want to attract attention from the authorities.  My children are home educated and privately tutored.

 

If you follow this advice, in about five years from now, or maybe sooner, you will be mentally and physically prepared for if - if - it eventually gets to the point that you have to flee, and you will have all the skills needed to survive and move somewhere else, if absolutely necessary.

 

That is what I have been doing since circa 2011/12, when it dawned on me what must inevitably happen.  I am more of a mainstream-type thinker with a background as a solicitor, but even I realise that the system must collapse in some way, though I always thought this was many more years down the line.  However, there is still time for you to follow this plan.  Others on this Forum may disagree, but I believe there is still a few years left yet.  I suspect what we will now see is a return to a normal-ish type society, with much heavier compliance, social conformity, general stupidity and unpleasantness.  This is because the elites have got what they wanted: unthinking compliance from the overwhelming majority.  But there WILL be a next time, and it could be the final time, so your window of opportunity is perhaps only a few years.

 

I will never wear a mask or take the vaccine, but I will not move and go fully off-grid until I have to.  Instead, the next stage of my plan is to buy a small piece of land, maybe half-an-acre as that's enough for self-sufficiency, and slowly build that up so that it's ready, maybe staying there at weekends.

 

It's a slow-burn plan in which I have gradually prepared myself and acquired various skills.  The poster above who counselled people not to rush is correct.  You can't just go off-grid instantly, just like that, unless you already have certain skills.  That's bad advice.  You must be prepared and patient and plan it all through.

 

Most importantly - by sticking around, you add to the number of dissidents.  Remember: we may still need you.  And from a psychological point-of-view, I have always thought that running away sets a bad trend because it smacks of defeat and retreat.  This is my country, not theirs.  The settlors and exiles of the past left for new worlds, and they also knew how to take care of themselves.  Everywhere is charted now and the world is different and you are different: you're 'civilised' and unprepared for the ruthless feedback of Nature.  Know your limitations.  Take it one step at a time.  Think of the 'new world' as here, where you are, and take consolation in the knowledge that you are rebelling by voting with your feet - all in plain sight, and with a broad smile on your maskless face.

Edited March 29, 2021 by Ergo Storm

[Ergo Storm]

Some here may be interested in woodlander's YouTube videos.  I don't agree with everything he says.  For instance, he seems to be recommending going fully off-grid now, with a cabin/home in the woods.  Personally I don't believe this is going to be realistic for most of us.  It needs to be more of a gradual process of changing in your life that may eventually lead to full off-grid living or maybe 'semi-off grid' living.

 

Another thing to note is the the fact that his videos haven't been taken off YouTube could be seen as a red flag.  There's a danger of falling into the trap of 'seeing if the witch floats', but I am always suspicious of everybody.   It has occurred to me that he and others like him may be offering unrealistic advice as a further way to demoralise us (i.e. setting you up to fail) and deter us from mounting real opposition to the system. 

 

But I don't know that.  He could be completely genuine.  I only say: caveat emptor.

 

 

Edited March 29, 2021 by Ergo Storm

[rideforever]

1 hour ago, Ergo Storm said:

Going off-grid does not necessarily mean having to move.

 

I don't really think this is gonna work.   I know one guy "Shawn James" he is building himself a big homestead in Canada, he works 12 hours a day with an axe and saw, good worker ... but it's not for everyone and he has millions of subscribers on youtube and gets big cash from them.

For most people ... I still think better to go to an Intentional Community.  Or if you really want to leave become a Buddhist and go into a Zen monastery.

Struggling in a wet camper whilst trying to grow a few potatoes ... well if you want to make it work you have to work really hard and have equipment expertise and really want it .. not to escape but just because you like the wild.  Expect to be strong and fit and work many hours in many areas, food, hunting, as well as driving into to town to get supplies and fix the boiler, mend the roof, learn about solar power systems, water and drainage.  It's not a joke it's hard work and lot to learn.

 

Other option is to look for job in quiet part of the world and just live low profile and get some organic food or something.

 

It's also important to have real interests and cultivate yourself, you skills, learn an instrument, read philosophy ... or something because living far away growing your own food does not mean you are going anywhere inside.  

And always remember that the degenerate psycho sheep that run the world do get sick of themselves and straighten themselves out into a reasonable society at some point.

 

 

[Ergo Storm]

46 minutes ago, rideforever said:

 

I don't really think this is gonna work.   I know one guy "Shawn James" he is building himself a big homestead in Canada, he works 12 hours a day with an axe and saw, good worker ... but it's not for everyone and he has millions of subscribers on youtube and gets big cash from them.

For most people ... I still think better to go to an Intentional Community.  Or if you really want to leave become a Buddhist and go into a Zen monastery.

Struggling in a wet camper whilst trying to grow a few potatoes ... well if you want to make it work you have to work really hard and have equipment expertise and really want it .. not to escape but just because you like the wild.  Expect to be strong and fit and work many hours in many areas, food, hunting, as well as driving into to town to get supplies and fix the boiler, mend the roof, learn about solar power systems, water and drainage.  It's not a joke it's hard work and lot to learn.

 

Other option is to look for job in quiet part of the world and just live low profile and get some organic food or something.

 

It's also important to have real interests and cultivate yourself, you skills, learn an instrument, read philosophy ... or something because living far away growing your own food does not mean you are going anywhere inside.  

And always remember that the degenerate psycho sheep that run the world do get sick of themselves and straighten themselves out into a reasonable society at some point.

 

 

 

I don't know if you've misunderstood me, or what I am typing is coming out in Russian at the other end, but you seem to be giving my thoughts a different emphasis to what I intended.

 

I'm saying you can go off-grid exactly where you are, in an ordinary house, with the benefit of all the infrastructure, and there's no need to move - at least not initially.  Of course, this approach has downsides and limitations.  If you remain inside mainstream society but with one foot out, you are vulnerable in some ways, but let's be honest, does anybody really think you can escape the state without moving into the absolute wilderness/outback of a large country like Australia, Canada or the United States, as somebody suggested above? 

 

Ultimately that may be the answer for some of us, but you can't do that straight-away unless you have certain skills and experience.  I could do it now, because I have spent the last 8 or 9 years building those skills, but most people haven't. 

 

All I'm saying is take it one step at a time and start with what you already have and build from there.  

Edited March 29, 2021 by Ergo Storm

[Seeker]

2 hours ago, perpetual said:

Here is a list of no-go zone.

I'll start with the most obvious ones 5 eyes.

USA

UK

Canada

NZ

OZ

Then...Europe

Germany

[New entries]

Chile - Only allowed two trips per week consisting of 2 hrs slot and you need to get a permission....truly prison like which makes UK like heaven.....

Tanzania - since the president has been murdered.....the country took a U-turn :(

Malaysia - You get fined or even go to jail for talking about vaxx danger.

China - heard it from a Chinese person, no freedom of speech.

Sweden - unfortunately they are introducing vaxx pissport

India - fully biometric there.

Vietnam - land is still contaminated with agent orange

Belarus - land is still contaminated with radiation

Mexico looks one of the best options, just getting there that’s a problem. I’m considering Bulgaria, how do you feel about here? Most have refused the vax there, big open rural country too so easy to be self sufficient 

[Seeker]

3 minutes ago, perpetual said:

 

Like Mexico, there are so many countries I like but it's the system that sucks.

For example, Mexico comes under the North American treaty that if you visit Mexico, you'll get checked by American government. It's like wtf but remember TSA even had to come over to the UK during the Olympics so they like to spread their wings....as if they own other countries. If other countries don't comply then they get hit by a natural disaster or something of that elk.

 

That’s one thing that puts me off Latin America, risk of natural disasters. What do you think about Bulgaria? 

[Seeker]

33 minutes ago, perpetual said:

 

I seem to remember there were cheap properties years ago. It looks like if you are a pensioner or prepared to invest in a property for over 300k Euro then..... I guess you could go there. Is it fairly cheap to live there? I don't know....

I think the danger is that Bulgaria is a part of the EU......  not good.

300k euros? More like 30k euros for some bargains, around 40k - 50k for decent rural ones. Seems an easy place to disappear. Just renew visa every year for 5 years and sorted. Becomes more attractive to me by the day