The Catholic church at it again.....why do people follow religion?

[CarpeDiem]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55622548

[EnigmaticWorld]

Not Catholic, but I don't want to be a slave to parasites that want to destroy Edom/Europe/Rome. Christendom has blatantly been infiltrated, and the nonces should be dealt with, but I'm not going to do the elites job of hating Rome for them.

Edited January 13, 2021 by EnigmaticWorld

[CarpeDiem]

I did not realise this has been raised in another thread, For repeating a thread I apologise.

I had just listened to a live interview on Talk Radio where a woman describes how she was treated by Nuns, things that were going on with really really young pregnant girls and other horrible stuff carried out by Nuns.......all in the name of religion? As usual the church will not be held to account.

Thank you to the strong people who stand together to tell people about this stuff, if it was not for them we would never see this stuff in the public arena. 

[EnigmaticWorld]

31 minutes ago, CarpeDiem said:

As usual the church will not be held to account.

 

I dunno, feels like their days are nearly up. Most churches I see are dead now, like they're more focused on preaching progressive values than Christianity. Most Christians/Catholics I know don't even feel like they have a church to go to anymore anyway.

 

Edit: In the west I mean, not sure about churches elsewhere.

 

Edited January 13, 2021 by EnigmaticWorld

[EnigmaticWorld]

My apologies, just noticed the infant mortality bit. When you said "at it again", I thought it was just more paedo stuff.

[Jikwan]

Why follow religion?

Its easy to do. They ask you to believe...to think something is true or false. Its easy to accept what someone says/what is written

Other systems encourage/demand you investigate, question, use logic and check using past experience. They ask you to spend a lot of time looking deeply within your own mind. 

Not so easy.

[Wayfaring Stranger]

The 'little horn' verses from Daniel:8 cover Rome's full 500 year rule over Jerusalem' If you look at the text they were given the truth and then lost it by 450AD simply by going to a Latin Translation.  The RCC was supposed to be the bank for all Gentiles, the Bible was to be published and given to the citizens (Romans:13) to read until the end came along. 2 or 3 people and a Bible is what a Gentile Church, the buildings on the street corners are where poor Gentiles are supposed to go if they need food or money.  They were struggling with that for some reason until about 1350, by 1400 they were not being very helpful to their flock at all.

 

If the big deal was the RCC could not charge the flock usury you just have to make 'corporations' the 'strangers' and any Gentile who has a yearly income that is less than a banker (essential service) gets a loan that is interest free.   I'm pretty sure the part about not being able to fire some hired hands when 93% of the money Gentiles created with their hands is taken out of circulation as fast as possible and a bill for more than that given to the person with blisters on their hands. 

Today the poor pay most of the service charges while the friends of the Jewish bankers get all their banking done for free when they make 99% of the total transactions.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loans_and_interest_in_Judaism

The Torah and Talmud encourage lending money without interest. But the halakha (Jewish law) that prescribes interest-free loans applies to loans made to other Jews, however not exclusively. Rabbi Isaac Abarbanel, however, declared that the acceptance of interest from non-Jews does not apply to Christians or Muslims, as their faith systems are also Abrahamic and therefore share a common ethical basis.^[3]

 

^{'does not apply' is the key phrase. The are about 12 verses in all so the topic is easy to understand.}

 

https://www.complementarycurrency.org/ccLibrary/materials/Why do religions prohibit usury.htm

 

Period 2: 1050 to 1175. Usury is declared a sin prohibited by the Old and New Testaments. All interest rates greater than zero are considered usurious. Even the desire for a return beyond the good itself is declared sinful. Usuries are required to be restored in full before salvation is possible. Higher prices for credit sales are declared implicit usury.

Period 3: 1175 to 1350. Usury becomes a dominant concern for the Church. The peak of the ecclesiastical attack on usury is reached at the Council of Lyon in 1274 and the Council of Vienna in 1312. The punishments for usury include the following: usurers are refused confession, absolution, and Christian burial; the wills of usurers are declared invalid; rulers and magistrates of states or communities which permit usury face excommunication.

The prohibitions target only consumption (distress) loans. Although Church scholars may find this assertion controversial, since social policy was not a primary argument in Scholastic writings, it is a reasonable inference from two observations. First, the only individuals or groups singled out by the Church for public denunciation and punishment were lenders dealing in consumption loans [3]. Second, usury prohibitions restricted the flow of loanable funds into consumption lending, but not into other uses [4]. With specific reference to banking, Noonan (1957, p. 192) speculates

It seems exceedingly difficult to believe that virtually the whole capitalistic class of every medieval city would have habitually committed sins of usury by participating in either exchange or deposit banking, if they had truly believed the contracts to have been usurious. There may have been a kind of inculpable ignorance on the part of many which led them to regard the change in the form of the contract, and the fact that the profit was taken not from the poor but from successful businessmen or from States, as sufficient grounds for thinking that banking was not usury.

Our point is that the Church allowed this ‘inculpable ignorance’ to persist by persecuting pawnbrokers but not bankers.

Period 4: 1350 to 1500. Professional usurers are allowed to partake in Church services and to be buried in Church graveyards [5]. Numerous types of loan contracts are explicitly declared non-usurious. The sin of usury is increasingly applied only to excessive interest charges. In the late fifteenth century the Church helps to bring into existence monti di pietà—public pawnshops financed by charitable donations and run for the benefit of the urban poor. Interest charges are explicitly sanctioned in order to cover the cost of operation (6-15 percent).

Period 5: 1500 to 1600. In the sixteenth century, ‘The Church reaffirmed its traditional doctrine on the matter of usury and reverted to the uncompromising attitude which had prevailed prior to the fifteenth century. The secular authorities, however reluctantly, continued to issue licences, but the Church henceforth refused to grant dispensation to the Lombards [professional pawnbrokers]. They were, and remained, excommunicated. According to Charles V's ordinance of January 30, 1546 (n.s.), licenced usurers were forbidden to attend mass or to enter any church under the penalty of forfeiting their licences. The same prohibition applied to anyone who was in partnership with them . . . or who participated in their management.’ [6]

 

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However, investors still seem sceptical that Rothschild can outperform its rivals. The bank’s Paris-listed shares have risen 28 per cent in the past year, but they are still lagging behind its main US rivals, including Goldman Sachs, Lazard and Moelis.

 

They also own the banks they are lagging behind. I'm not sure if youtube is watched very much but false churches are on the chopping block as promoted by Rabbis who are clueless about the OT and NT so they fully support the Rothschild version of Israel.  If the RCC is in their sights so are all the other bid denominations   as they follow the same false doctrines which points to there being a common cause.

[Reptile hunter]

Im a guitar teacher for a church and I can tell you that they are a cult that see themselves as all knowing and righteous based on a book written by a Luciferian family bloodline. One of the members constantly tries to get me to admit to being a sinner(which I bloody wont) like any corporation their goal is to make money. I think the people truely hate themselves and my heart sinks for the children that I teach because the brainwashing is deep. 

 

After that long explanation, they follow religion out of fear.

Edited January 14, 2021 by Reptile hunter

[Wayfaring Stranger]

On 1/14/2021 at 12:05 PM, Reptile hunter said:

Im a guitar teacher for a church and I can tell you that they are a cult that see themselves as all knowing and righteous based on a book written by a Luciferian family bloodline. One of the members constantly tries to get me to admit to being a sinner(which I bloody wont) like any corporation their goal is to make money. I think the people truely hate themselves and my heart sinks for the children that I teach because the brainwashing is deep. 

 

After that long explanation, they follow religion out of fear.

What sort of doctrine teaches that?  Christians are in sin as soon as they have a thought about breaking any of the 10 Commandments. If you are told you must do an action or that those thoughts do not need to be repented in private prayer you are getting 'bad advice'.

Ga:5:14-16:

For all the law is fulfilled in one word,

even in this;

Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
But if ye bite and devour one another,

take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
This I say then,

Walk in the Spirit,

and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

 

Anyway, the reason I came back is I forgot this vid as it show the RCC is about to be thrown under the bus as being the only cause of the world's woes for the last 1500 years.  Should I mention if they stumble and fall that the Gentile World needs some one to act as an agent between the rich and the poor.

 

 

Rabbi David Wolpe on Similarities Between Islam and Judaism | Conversations with Tyler

 

"I think that in a lot of ways, Islam shares more with Judaism than Christianity does."

 

 

[rideforever]

The BBC eh ?

 

And what do you think their agenda is?
Are you being played like a xylophone?
Are you doing their bidding?

 

Woship satan if you want, that's what they want you to do.

Whatever you choose make sure you don't help those who are being attacked, those who are being undermined, those who ... just go along with the BBC.

[Wayfaring Stranger]

BBC? 

 

The UK lost their country in 1815. Been henchmen ever since. Feel free to point out any errors. Then or today.

 

 

 

[Reptile hunter]

44 minutes ago, rideforever said:

The BBC eh ?

 

And what do you think their agenda is?
Are you being played like a xylophone?
Are you doing their bidding?

 

Woship satan if you want, that's what they want you to do.

Whatever you choose make sure you don't help those who are being attacked, those who are being undermined, those who ... just go along with the BBC.

What a Christian thing to say, did you read the books? so you can pass judgement like that? looks like someone threw the first stone hey XD

Edited January 16, 2021 by Reptile hunter

[Wayfaring Stranger]

Just now, Reptile hunter said:

What a Christian thing to say, did you read the books? so you can pass judgement that? looks like someone through the first stone hey XD

I have a whole bucket of big stones, lol.  All aimed at false Christians and other liars.

1Cor:5 tells me not to hang with sinners and liars unless I want God to treat me like that when judgment comes.  I can point out that a person is not saved at the moment, I also know that God will gather them so they are not lost.  The Christian doctrine has a few people being gathered before the much larger 2nd group. The small group are shepherds and the larger group is the flock. You would be part of the flock. You fate in in Isa:65 and the new earth verses.  Judgment of you is now complete and I didn't burst into flames.  So, who knows what the Bible is about and who is a liar? (between the two of us)

"And all flesh shall see the salvation of God."  Re:20:4-5 really nails it down solid.

[killing raven sun]

4 minutes ago, Wayfaring Stranger said:

I have a whole bucket of big stones, lol.  All aimed at false Christians and other liars.

do you also have a bumper sticker on your car that says "jesus kills"?

 

6 minutes ago, Wayfaring Stranger said:

1Cor:5 tells me not to hang with sinners and liars unless I want God to treat me like that when judgment comes.

but how do you spread the word if you only preach to the choir? jesus spent much time among the banksters and the whores because they were the most deserving of his message, but i guess your message is "i kill you with rock now"

 

9 minutes ago, Wayfaring Stranger said:

I can point out that a person is not saved at the moment

is that because you have a messiah complex?

[Reptile hunter]

12 minutes ago, Wayfaring Stranger said:

I have a whole bucket of big stones, lol.  All aimed at false Christians and other liars.

1Cor:5 tells me not to hang with sinners and liars unless I want God to treat me like that when judgment comes.  I can point out that a person is not saved at the moment, I also know that God will gather them so they are not lost.  The Christian doctrine has a few people being gathered before the much larger 2nd group. The small group are shepherds and the larger group is the flock. You would be part of the flock. You fate in in Isa:65 and the new earth verses.  Judgment of you is now complete and I didn't burst into flames.  So, who knows what the Bible is about and who is a liar? (between the two of us)

"And all flesh shall see the salvation of God."  Re:20:4-5 really nails it down solid.

The old testament was based on astrology and the new testament was written by the "Piso" luciferian bloodline who worship Saturn.
Don't worry about people being saved, Jesus the "Sun of God" saves us everyday by shining light upon us and helping us to grow crops
and playing his part in the eco-system. My advice would be to throw less stones and learn more and fear less. AmenRa!

Edited January 16, 2021 by Reptile hunter

[Wayfaring Stranger]

WTHell was that?? 

Haven't really opened the Bible since you could read have you??  That by choice or was it 'forbidden'?

[Reptile hunter]

1 minute ago, Wayfaring Stranger said:

WTHell was that?? 

Haven't really opened the Bible since you could read have you??  That by choice or was it 'forbidden'?

Guess you will never know : ( knowledge could have set you free.

[rideforever]

1 hour ago, Reptile hunter said:

What a Christian thing to say,

 

Well stand back and just observe that you are doing what the NWO wants you to do.

That should at least make you think a little.

I am not saying you need to become a priest or a devoted Catholic ... but at least don't do their bidding.

 

Consider the newspapers.  They make the left hate the right and the right the left.  Man hate the woman and the woman hate the man.  The black hate white and the white black.

And from then ensuing conflict and strife and fear ... they make their little newspaper money.   From the ashes of everything that they have ... cast in a very negative light.

That's how parasites behave ... they are always tapping you on the shoulder and saying ... "look did you see what they did!!!"

I suggest you unsheathed your sword and turn and cut them in two.

 

[Wayfaring Stranger]

I wasn't sure if I should do a biblical reply or move to ancient civilizations  and my version of 'Summer Area' where an ice age made the desert belt the green area for the globe. Unlimited food and would be possible.   If you are sailing around the middle of the Atlantic and you pass through the Gates  that lead to Atlantis  you would  be in the Med Sea where the Dead Sea is a body of fresh water and the River Jordan is 3km wide. (stolded that last part from Eze:47)

[Wayfaring Stranger]

1 hour ago, killing raven sun said:

do you also have a bumper sticker on your car that says "jesus kills"?

 

but how do you spread the word if you only preach to the choir? jesus spent much time among the banksters and the whores because they were the most deserving of his message, but i guess your message is "i kill you with rock now"

 

is that because you have a messiah complex?

What about the resurrection that follows?  Maybe use the front bummer to hold the scary one and the helpful one for the back bumper should the survive the 'run-down. The only ones He sends to the fiery lake are demented fallen angels, way worse than the demented men running around today.

Odd that you always find them sharing the same elevators, hmmmm.

 

Because if I am going to start reading something I read it until I understand what it is saying. I'm going to assume the preface to the Bible is Greek to you. At least I know Ge:3:15 is completed by a single person some centuries apart, and counting.

[Reptile hunter]

1 hour ago, rideforever said:

 

Well stand back and just observe that you are doing what the NWO wants you to do.

That should at least make you think a little.

I am not saying you need to become a priest or a devoted Catholic ... but at least don't do their bidding.

 

Consider the newspapers.  They make the left hate the right and the right the left.  Man hate the woman and the woman hate the man.  The black hate white and the white black.

And from then ensuing conflict and strife and fear ... they make their little newspaper money.   From the ashes of everything that they have ... cast in a very negative light.

That's how parasites behave ... they are always tapping you on the shoulder and saying ... "look did you see what they did!!!"

I suggest you unsheathed your sword and turn and cut them in two.

 

Maybe the person judging someone they don't know is doing their bidding. I don't wear a mask, I won't get vaccinated,  I don't support abortion, never killed anyone,
never stepped on someone for profit, don't worship the Rothchild slave fiat currency and I certainly dont believe God is the narcissistic sociopath that the bible depicts him to be.

My guide is my conscience, If that's a problem than that's your problem.      

[Wayfaring Stranger]

God isn't going to punish any Gentile that is feeding the poor on their own. The ones 'up the creek' are the ones who say they are believers yet are surrounded by hungry people they doesn't even see.

[rideforever]

34 minutes ago, Reptile hunter said:

Maybe the person judging someone they don't know is doing their bidding. I don't wear a mask, I won't get vaccinated,  I don't support abortion, never killed anyone,
never stepped on someone for profit, don't worship the Rothchild slave fiat currency and I certainly dont believe God is the narcissistic sociopath that the bible depicts him to be.

My guide is my conscience, If that's a problem than that's your problem. 

I agree with everything you say

[killing raven sun]

2 hours ago, Wayfaring Stranger said:

What about the resurrection that follows?  Maybe use the front bummer to hold the scary one and the helpful one for the back bumper should the survive the 'run-down. The only ones He sends to the fiery lake are demented fallen angels, way worse than the demented men running around today.

uhg, another death cult worshipper, every thought colored by death and misery, "survive the run down", fantasizing about a lake of fire where lifeforms you dont like are tortured for all eternity, you are what is wrong with this planet

 

2 hours ago, Wayfaring Stranger said:

Because if I am going to start reading something I read it until I understand what it is saying. I'm going to assume the preface to the Bible is Greek to you. At least I know Ge:3:15 is completed by a single person some centuries apart, and counting.

this kind of puffing up with pride is only done by those that are insecure in their beliefs

[Wayfaring Stranger]

1 hour ago, killing raven sun said:

uhg, another death cult worshipper, every thought colored by death and misery, "survive the run down", fantasizing about a lake of fire where lifeforms you dont like are tortured for all eternity, you are what is wrong with this planet

 

this kind of puffing up with pride is only done by those that are insecure in their beliefs

Where did I start to sound like I was stuttering? I don't have a month to mentor you on the Bible. Did you have some point you were trying to make other than you have never really opened the book and have channelled it instead?